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		<title>Comment on What brain scans can&#8217;t teach us by Yurrzem!</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/18/what-brain-scans-cant-teach-us/#comment-114527</link>
		<dc:creator>Yurrzem!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@13 Shatterface

Er, nope, its the truth. I&#039;m not a knee-jerk intellectual! 

Neither was I dismissing what neurobiology can do. I suggested it would be some time before the promises in this posting become possible.

I&#039;ve done my time in schools and colleges (as a member of staff, thanks). It may not fit your simple world view, but there are some pretty good teachers working with kids and they actually know what they&#039;re doing without making the kids lie in a scanner and have radiotracers injected into their bloodstreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13 Shatterface</p>
<p>Er, nope, its the truth. I&#8217;m not a knee-jerk intellectual! </p>
<p>Neither was I dismissing what neurobiology can do. I suggested it would be some time before the promises in this posting become possible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done my time in schools and colleges (as a member of staff, thanks). It may not fit your simple world view, but there are some pretty good teachers working with kids and they actually know what they&#8217;re doing without making the kids lie in a scanner and have radiotracers injected into their bloodstreams.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tory MP attacks Unite after receiving thousands from British Airways by Mr S. Pill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr S. Pill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@17

&lt;blockquote&gt;Could it be that Gordon Brown abolished “boom and bust” by replacing it with “bubble and bust”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, because there &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Company&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;were&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;no&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sea_Company&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bubbles&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_the_United_Kingdom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;before&lt;/a&gt; Brown were there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@17</p>
<blockquote><p>Could it be that Gordon Brown abolished “boom and bust” by replacing it with “bubble and bust”?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, because there <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Company" rel="nofollow">were</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania" rel="nofollow">no</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sea_Company" rel="nofollow">bubbles</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_the_United_Kingdom" rel="nofollow">before</a> Brown were there?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tory MP attacks Unite after receiving thousands from British Airways by John77</title>
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		<dc:creator>John77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@8 Richard Blogger
“It is standard everyday practice with all major airlines to upgrade frequent flyers when seats are available.”

No it isn’t. As a frequent flyer across the pond myself, I have never been upgraded as an “everyday practice” even in the case of economy being crammed full and business class with empty seats. 

That is probably because you are more objectionable than Grumpy Old Man. Your suggestion that airlines would &quot;bump&quot; passengers rather than upgrade them when there are seats available reflects either your own ignorance of the law of contract or your assumption that the rest of us are stupid. Anyone who is bumped can claim compensation which can be quite expensive for the airline. In the days when I was a fairly, but not very, frequent business flyer - before New Labour destroyed my ex-employer&#039;s business in emerging economies - I was taught that there were standard practices for frequent flyers to ask for upgrades when there were empty first-class or business-class seats - however these depended on the goodwill of check-in and/or cabin staff so frequent flyers with bad reputations will be the last people offered an upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@8 Richard Blogger<br />
“It is standard everyday practice with all major airlines to upgrade frequent flyers when seats are available.”</p>
<p>No it isn’t. As a frequent flyer across the pond myself, I have never been upgraded as an “everyday practice” even in the case of economy being crammed full and business class with empty seats. </p>
<p>That is probably because you are more objectionable than Grumpy Old Man. Your suggestion that airlines would &#8220;bump&#8221; passengers rather than upgrade them when there are seats available reflects either your own ignorance of the law of contract or your assumption that the rest of us are stupid. Anyone who is bumped can claim compensation which can be quite expensive for the airline. In the days when I was a fairly, but not very, frequent business flyer &#8211; before New Labour destroyed my ex-employer&#8217;s business in emerging economies &#8211; I was taught that there were standard practices for frequent flyers to ask for upgrades when there were empty first-class or business-class seats &#8211; however these depended on the goodwill of check-in and/or cabin staff so frequent flyers with bad reputations will be the last people offered an upgrade.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against multiculturalism by crusade</title>
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		<dc:creator>crusade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no, not the Marxist concocted favorite word of &#039;wacism&#039;?! 

A natural human condition I am afraid, only more prevalant in so-called multcult societies because of human nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, not the Marxist concocted favorite word of &#8216;wacism&#8217;?! </p>
<p>A natural human condition I am afraid, only more prevalant in so-called multcult societies because of human nature.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What brain scans can&#8217;t teach us by Shatterface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;I think the point is that there is a lot of hype about what neuroscience can do&#039;

Yes, there&#039;s a lot of hype about neuroscience but dismissing it in it&#039;s entirety in favour of a thudding behaviourism which treats the brain as a black box about which we can say nothing, so we should stick to measuring inputs (lessons) and outputs (exam results) is simply knee-jerk anti-intellectualism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I think the point is that there is a lot of hype about what neuroscience can do&#8217;</p>
<p>Yes, there&#8217;s a lot of hype about neuroscience but dismissing it in it&#8217;s entirety in favour of a thudding behaviourism which treats the brain as a black box about which we can say nothing, so we should stick to measuring inputs (lessons) and outputs (exam results) is simply knee-jerk anti-intellectualism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against multiculturalism by steveb</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey, this thread is still going and I can see it&#039;s descended into racism
145 JV
Most cultures do assimilate well into liberalism, those aspects of any culture that do not, are addressed by legislation (How many times does this need to be said?)
It&#039;s a pretty weak argument to cite the ineffectiveness of the law, if this is the case, the law is ineffective in all areas not just the examples you give.Perhaps we should do away with the legal system and let the market decide?
146 - ad nauseum
Genocide is illegal in the UK, there&#039;s little the current CPS can do about historical war crimes in other countries except hold any known wanted war criminals who set foot on British soil and deport them to the appropriate authorities. 
It is very laudable that you wish that woman are treated the same&#039; and if you have female children you wouldn&#039;t want them to live in a society where they have a l in 4 chance of being abused by a male partner, or indeed where they may become one of two weekly victims of homicide by a male partner.  Nor indeed would you want your grandchildren to have a 15 times higher risk of being sexually and physically abused in such a relationship.  Oh, I&#039;m getting confused, that&#039;s already happening in our liberal democracy.  And it&#039;s being going on for a long time - J.S. Mill in &#039;The Subjection of Women&#039; addressed this, and there weren&#039;t many Mulims who had settled here in the 19th century.
It&#039;s easy to emphasize the negative about all groups and all cultures, eg. in the UK it&#039;s white males who are responsible for the majority of child murders and sex abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey, this thread is still going and I can see it&#8217;s descended into racism<br />
145 JV<br />
Most cultures do assimilate well into liberalism, those aspects of any culture that do not, are addressed by legislation (How many times does this need to be said?)<br />
It&#8217;s a pretty weak argument to cite the ineffectiveness of the law, if this is the case, the law is ineffective in all areas not just the examples you give.Perhaps we should do away with the legal system and let the market decide?<br />
146 &#8211; ad nauseum<br />
Genocide is illegal in the UK, there&#8217;s little the current CPS can do about historical war crimes in other countries except hold any known wanted war criminals who set foot on British soil and deport them to the appropriate authorities.<br />
It is very laudable that you wish that woman are treated the same&#8217; and if you have female children you wouldn&#8217;t want them to live in a society where they have a l in 4 chance of being abused by a male partner, or indeed where they may become one of two weekly victims of homicide by a male partner.  Nor indeed would you want your grandchildren to have a 15 times higher risk of being sexually and physically abused in such a relationship.  Oh, I&#8217;m getting confused, that&#8217;s already happening in our liberal democracy.  And it&#8217;s being going on for a long time &#8211; J.S. Mill in &#8216;The Subjection of Women&#8217; addressed this, and there weren&#8217;t many Mulims who had settled here in the 19th century.<br />
It&#8217;s easy to emphasize the negative about all groups and all cultures, eg. in the UK it&#8217;s white males who are responsible for the majority of child murders and sex abuse.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What brain scans can&#8217;t teach us by Yurrzem!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yurrzem!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@11

I think the point is that there is a lot of hype about what neuroscience can do. FMRI gives lovely pictures of bits of the brain lighting up and there are some interesting developments. I&#039;m sure most neurobiologists will admit its going to be a few years before anything like the ideas sugegsted in this post become possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@11</p>
<p>I think the point is that there is a lot of hype about what neuroscience can do. FMRI gives lovely pictures of bits of the brain lighting up and there are some interesting developments. I&#8217;m sure most neurobiologists will admit its going to be a few years before anything like the ideas sugegsted in this post become possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tory MP attacks Unite after receiving thousands from British Airways by John77</title>
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		<dc:creator>John77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@16 Sally
Try reading the post first. Even Dave Semple (he of the &quot;class enemies&quot; obsession) doesn&#039;t say Mr Pritchard received any money from BA.
I have never seen anything to suggest that Mr Pritchard (or any Tory MP since the late Alan Clarke) has the &quot;morals of an alley cat&quot; - that would be a description of your Labour-supporting namesake, with a number of current and former Labour MPs as also-rans. Your vitriol is misplaced and off-topic.
On the finance question, any Tory MP who gets paid by outside interests for consultancy work or as a non-executive director or for speaking engagements pays tax on his/her earnings - in at least one case the tax exceeds his parliamentary salary. May I ask why you don&#039;t think Labour and LibDem MPs should pay back any money?  Scrounging off the state would be more appositely applied to those who do not work when they could (and I know some who cannot because Brown&#039;s economic policies have wrecked a large portion of our manufacturing industry) or who have moved from state-funded education to party-political adviser inside the Civil Service paid by the taxpayer to Labour MP blocking state funding for future undergraduates while doubling tax-free allowances for Labour MPs. 
Those on benefits - whose fault is it that 5.1 million people are on out-of-work benefits while a record number are &quot;economically inactive&quot;, mostly because they have given uplooking for jobs that aren&#039;t there? Could it be that Gordon Brown abolished &quot;boom and bust&quot; by replacing it with &quot;bubble and bust&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@16 Sally<br />
Try reading the post first. Even Dave Semple (he of the &#8220;class enemies&#8221; obsession) doesn&#8217;t say Mr Pritchard received any money from BA.<br />
I have never seen anything to suggest that Mr Pritchard (or any Tory MP since the late Alan Clarke) has the &#8220;morals of an alley cat&#8221; &#8211; that would be a description of your Labour-supporting namesake, with a number of current and former Labour MPs as also-rans. Your vitriol is misplaced and off-topic.<br />
On the finance question, any Tory MP who gets paid by outside interests for consultancy work or as a non-executive director or for speaking engagements pays tax on his/her earnings &#8211; in at least one case the tax exceeds his parliamentary salary. May I ask why you don&#8217;t think Labour and LibDem MPs should pay back any money?  Scrounging off the state would be more appositely applied to those who do not work when they could (and I know some who cannot because Brown&#8217;s economic policies have wrecked a large portion of our manufacturing industry) or who have moved from state-funded education to party-political adviser inside the Civil Service paid by the taxpayer to Labour MP blocking state funding for future undergraduates while doubling tax-free allowances for Labour MPs.<br />
Those on benefits &#8211; whose fault is it that 5.1 million people are on out-of-work benefits while a record number are &#8220;economically inactive&#8221;, mostly because they have given uplooking for jobs that aren&#8217;t there? Could it be that Gordon Brown abolished &#8220;boom and bust&#8221; by replacing it with &#8220;bubble and bust&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against multiculturalism by in vino veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>in vino veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, 5cc, a year later as you say and under House of Lords privilage. Why was it scrapped in the first place? Do you recall the threats and by whom?    

Wilders is being prosecuted in Holland, despite thier &#039;DPP&#039; declaring it is not in the public interest; all EU countries can ask for the extradition of EU citzens even for offences that are not crimes in thier own countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, 5cc, a year later as you say and under House of Lords privilage. Why was it scrapped in the first place? Do you recall the threats and by whom?    </p>
<p>Wilders is being prosecuted in Holland, despite thier &#8216;DPP&#8217; declaring it is not in the public interest; all EU countries can ask for the extradition of EU citzens even for offences that are not crimes in thier own countries.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What brain scans can&#8217;t teach us by soru</title>
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		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Neroscientists don’t want you to know this, of course – but I am open to persuasion: if my formula doesn’t fit the evidence, I’ll recant&lt;/i&gt;

If you don&#039;t know the first thing about a topic, a reasonable plan is to look up wikipedia. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Where&lt;/a&gt; you will find such statements as:

&lt;i&gt;The task of neural science is to explain behavior in terms of the activities of the brain. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;the mechanisms of how neurons process signals physiologically and electrochemically.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;addresses the questions of how psychological/cognitive functions are produced by the neural circuitry&lt;/i&gt;

So I am not sure which straw man version of neuroscience you think you are arguing against - phrenology perhaps?

The idea that imaging of neural activities can have nothing useful to say for educationalists seems pretty bizarre. If social scientist had a kind of camera that allowed them to actually see social classes, inequality, narratives, or whatever, would you really think that was likely to be equally useless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Neroscientists don’t want you to know this, of course – but I am open to persuasion: if my formula doesn’t fit the evidence, I’ll recant</i></p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know the first thing about a topic, a reasonable plan is to look up wikipedia. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience" rel="nofollow">Where</a> you will find such statements as:</p>
<p><i>The task of neural science is to explain behavior in terms of the activities of the brain. </i></p>
<p><i>the mechanisms of how neurons process signals physiologically and electrochemically.</i></p>
<p><i>addresses the questions of how psychological/cognitive functions are produced by the neural circuitry</i></p>
<p>So I am not sure which straw man version of neuroscience you think you are arguing against &#8211; phrenology perhaps?</p>
<p>The idea that imaging of neural activities can have nothing useful to say for educationalists seems pretty bizarre. If social scientist had a kind of camera that allowed them to actually see social classes, inequality, narratives, or whatever, would you really think that was likely to be equally useless?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against multiculturalism by 5cc</title>
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		<dc:creator>5cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8551220.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dutch MP Geert Wilders&#039; anti-Islam film sparks protests&lt;/a&gt;

He was allowed in a year later to talk about Islamification, which is apparently illegal according to our friend Tommy (providing he isn&#039;t you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8551220.stm" rel="nofollow">Dutch MP Geert Wilders&#8217; anti-Islam film sparks protests</a></p>
<p>He was allowed in a year later to talk about Islamification, which is apparently illegal according to our friend Tommy (providing he isn&#8217;t you).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tories offer state funding to schools linked to &#8216;occult society&#8217; by Dave Semple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Semple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Watchman - actually, in fairness, this builds on the Labour Academies programme - these schools get a great deal of independence and a great deal of state money, compared to limited monies (often withheld in breach of contract) promised by the partners who jump on the bandwagon to create some Academies.

It&#039;s not a partisan issue, though as with many things, the Tories are likely to be worse and less secular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Watchman &#8211; actually, in fairness, this builds on the Labour Academies programme &#8211; these schools get a great deal of independence and a great deal of state money, compared to limited monies (often withheld in breach of contract) promised by the partners who jump on the bandwagon to create some Academies.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a partisan issue, though as with many things, the Tories are likely to be worse and less secular.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tories offer state funding to schools linked to &#8216;occult society&#8217; by Dave Semple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Semple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Watchman - state funding only creates obligations if that&#039;s what the Tories insert into the legislation. The whole point of worrying is that, based on the views Tories have expressed elsewhere on other subjects, their cavalier attitude to abolishing regulation without proper democratic constraints to replace it - which I&#039;m in favour of by the way, I&#039;m not a centralist - there&#039;s no assurance they won&#039;t simply gift the money over. Likewise to religious schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Watchman &#8211; state funding only creates obligations if that&#8217;s what the Tories insert into the legislation. The whole point of worrying is that, based on the views Tories have expressed elsewhere on other subjects, their cavalier attitude to abolishing regulation without proper democratic constraints to replace it &#8211; which I&#8217;m in favour of by the way, I&#8217;m not a centralist &#8211; there&#8217;s no assurance they won&#8217;t simply gift the money over. Likewise to religious schools.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tory MP attacks Unite after receiving thousands from British Airways by sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical tory. These people have the morals of an alley cat. 

As long as it is private money anything goes. The hypocrisy stinks, but then so do most tories when it comes to finance.  Perhaps tory MPS should give back any tax payers money of the same value once they get donations from private companies.  After all ,people on benefits have to give back money if they get a part time job, and I see no difference between people on benefits and tory Mps  scrounging off the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical tory. These people have the morals of an alley cat. </p>
<p>As long as it is private money anything goes. The hypocrisy stinks, but then so do most tories when it comes to finance.  Perhaps tory MPS should give back any tax payers money of the same value once they get donations from private companies.  After all ,people on benefits have to give back money if they get a part time job, and I see no difference between people on benefits and tory Mps  scrounging off the state.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tories offer state funding to schools linked to &#8216;occult society&#8217; by pagar</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/18/tories-offer-state-funding-to-schools-linked-to-occult-society/#comment-114507</link>
		<dc:creator>pagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cathy

OK I concede. 

If there is racism in Steiner schools that is a serious issue and examples like the one you cite should be used to out the Tories for considering bringing them into the mainstream. 

They should be left to rot on the vine- but along with all the other schools founded with the purpose of  indoctrinating children with mumbo jumbo. 

Agreed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cathy</p>
<p>OK I concede. </p>
<p>If there is racism in Steiner schools that is a serious issue and examples like the one you cite should be used to out the Tories for considering bringing them into the mainstream. </p>
<p>They should be left to rot on the vine- but along with all the other schools founded with the purpose of  indoctrinating children with mumbo jumbo. </p>
<p>Agreed?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against multiculturalism by Big Bad Wolf</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/15/against-multiculturalism/#comment-114505</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Bad Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think 5cc you&#039;ll find a dutch MP was not allowed to enter the UK back in Feb 2009 and don&#039;t bother giving me some bollocks about for his own security!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 5cc you&#8217;ll find a dutch MP was not allowed to enter the UK back in Feb 2009 and don&#8217;t bother giving me some bollocks about for his own security!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tory MP attacks Unite after receiving thousands from British Airways by Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/18/tory-mp-attacks-unite-after-receiving-thousands-from-british-airways/#comment-114500</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I beg your pardon for my choice of phrase. 

&quot;You might very well think that, but I couldn&#039;t possibly comment...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I beg your pardon for my choice of phrase. </p>
<p>&#8220;You might very well think that, but I couldn&#8217;t possibly comment&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tory MP attacks Unite after receiving thousands from British Airways by Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/18/tory-mp-attacks-unite-after-receiving-thousands-from-british-airways/#comment-114499</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Conservatives are going after Labour’s Unite link, which will involve identifying all links.&quot;

Just now you said that they had not raised individual Labour MPs&#039; links with Unite. I am pointing out that they have. 

&quot;My basic point was that to criticise Mr Pritchard for speaking on this issue, one also has to criticise any Labour MP with Unite funding.&quot;

The criticism is that it is somewhat hypocritical of the Tories to pretend that there is something inherently corrupt in Unite&#039;s relationship with Labour MPs, while being quite happy to take freebies off BA, then mouth off about the strike without mentioning it. 

Though it is of course slightly different as Pritchard has personally benefited from BA, whereas Labour MPs who are Unite members only pay the union money, not vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Conservatives are going after Labour’s Unite link, which will involve identifying all links.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just now you said that they had not raised individual Labour MPs&#8217; links with Unite. I am pointing out that they have. </p>
<p>&#8220;My basic point was that to criticise Mr Pritchard for speaking on this issue, one also has to criticise any Labour MP with Unite funding.&#8221;</p>
<p>The criticism is that it is somewhat hypocritical of the Tories to pretend that there is something inherently corrupt in Unite&#8217;s relationship with Labour MPs, while being quite happy to take freebies off BA, then mouth off about the strike without mentioning it. </p>
<p>Though it is of course slightly different as Pritchard has personally benefited from BA, whereas Labour MPs who are Unite members only pay the union money, not vice versa.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against multiculturalism by LO</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/15/against-multiculturalism/#comment-114498</link>
		<dc:creator>LO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5...4...3...2...1

Queue  whine about freedom of speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5&#8230;4&#8230;3&#8230;2&#8230;1</p>
<p>Queue  whine about freedom of speech.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA Sampling: Wrong in principle, wrong in practice by ukliberty</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/18/dna-sampling-wrong-in-principle-wrong-in-practice/#comment-114497</link>
		<dc:creator>ukliberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the DNA database even help?  Does the retention of more and more profiles help solve more crimes?  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmhaff/222/22202.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The recent Home Affairs Committee report&lt;/a&gt; is worth a read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the DNA database even help?  Does the retention of more and more profiles help solve more crimes?  <a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmhaff/222/22202.htm" rel="nofollow">The recent Home Affairs Committee report</a> is worth a read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against multiculturalism by LO</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/15/against-multiculturalism/#comment-114496</link>
		<dc:creator>LO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Go to any white or mixed area with a big banner saying “WHITE EXTREMISTS OUT”
and you will get cheers and claps.
Then go to a Muslim area with a big banner saying “MUSLIM EXTREMISTS OUT” see how long you last before battered and left for dead and the police will say it`s your own fault.&quot;

No no no, you&#039;ve forgotten the party line: Muslim&#039;s aren&#039;t a race! But gosh darn it, you&#039;ve gone and treated them like a race!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Go to any white or mixed area with a big banner saying “WHITE EXTREMISTS OUT”<br />
and you will get cheers and claps.<br />
Then go to a Muslim area with a big banner saying “MUSLIM EXTREMISTS OUT” see how long you last before battered and left for dead and the police will say it`s your own fault.&#8221;</p>
<p>No no no, you&#8217;ve forgotten the party line: Muslim&#8217;s aren&#8217;t a race! But gosh darn it, you&#8217;ve gone and treated them like a race!</p>
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		<title>Comment on It&#8217;s not just criminals who carry knives by MatGB</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/18/its-not-just-criminals-who-carry-knives/#comment-114492</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unity, agree with Alix that that sort of leaflet is just, well, crap.  However, playing advocate...

Where does the leaflet call him a thug?

In addition, if he accepts the fixed penalty then a) he&#039;s admitting guilt and is therefore, de facto, a criminal, and b) he&#039;s not &quot;getting off with a caution&quot;, therefore he doesn&#039;t fall under the 1 in 5 anyway.

It looks to me like he&#039;d have a strong case to appeal the ticket; he uses the tool at work, but it&#039;s his personal tool, you&#039;re allowed to carry personal equipment to and from work as long as you do so carefully; this includes chef&#039;s knives &amp;c.

If he &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/I&gt;, (or couldn&#039;t, you don&#039;t date it), then there&#039;s a problem with the legislation and law.  So I guess you&#039;ll need to blame the party in power for not fixing that law then, and making your friend a criminal by stupid legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unity, agree with Alix that that sort of leaflet is just, well, crap.  However, playing advocate&#8230;</p>
<p>Where does the leaflet call him a thug?</p>
<p>In addition, if he accepts the fixed penalty then a) he&#8217;s admitting guilt and is therefore, de facto, a criminal, and b) he&#8217;s not &#8220;getting off with a caution&#8221;, therefore he doesn&#8217;t fall under the 1 in 5 anyway.</p>
<p>It looks to me like he&#8217;d have a strong case to appeal the ticket; he uses the tool at work, but it&#8217;s his personal tool, you&#8217;re allowed to carry personal equipment to and from work as long as you do so carefully; this includes chef&#8217;s knives &amp;c.</p>
<p>If he <i>can&#8217;t</i>, (or couldn&#8217;t, you don&#8217;t date it), then there&#8217;s a problem with the legislation and law.  So I guess you&#8217;ll need to blame the party in power for not fixing that law then, and making your friend a criminal by stupid legislation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against multiculturalism by Dunc</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/15/against-multiculturalism/#comment-114490</link>
		<dc:creator>Dunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aww, no - Tommy&#039;s outbust has been modded! I thought it was worth preserving to show exactly what sort of a wonderful human being he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww, no &#8211; Tommy&#8217;s outbust has been modded! I thought it was worth preserving to show exactly what sort of a wonderful human being he is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DNA Sampling: Wrong in principle, wrong in practice by Will Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/18/dna-sampling-wrong-in-principle-wrong-in-practice/#comment-114489</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a nice liberal world the police would be there for preventing crime, and once one happened solving that crime. The police treat everyone as a suspect, whether they are on a database or not. 

Have a look around the &#039;net at some &#039;police interaction&#039; message boards and blogs. Enlightening to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a nice liberal world the police would be there for preventing crime, and once one happened solving that crime. The police treat everyone as a suspect, whether they are on a database or not. </p>
<p>Have a look around the &#8216;net at some &#8216;police interaction&#8217; message boards and blogs. Enlightening to read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tories offer state funding to schools linked to &#8216;occult society&#8217; by Will</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/03/18/tories-offer-state-funding-to-schools-linked-to-occult-society/#comment-114487</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state funded Hereford Steiner Waldorf Academy is being built against under the guise of an &#039;eco-school&#039; against great local opposition http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/mar/10/schools.uk2 which itself relied on a government report, the Woods Report on Steiner Education, one of whose three writers is an Angelic Reiki Healer and former student of anthroposophy, another worked as a Steiner teacher. The Report is flawed but even so manages to express concerns. There is not one independent research paper that supports Steiner&#039;s pedagogy. 

Hereford Steiner Waldorf Academy seems also to have survived a &#039;parent boycott&#039; of the SATS tests that were in the end a condition of their funding. I note it was only the BBC who reported The DCSF said that in science, all pupils were working below the level of the test so were not required to sit it. I add that the children would have scored poorly, which would have looked even worse than their anarchist gesture of defiance http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8391766.stm

Looks like a clear breach of contract to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state funded Hereford Steiner Waldorf Academy is being built against under the guise of an &#8216;eco-school&#8217; against great local opposition <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/mar/10/schools.uk2" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/mar/10/schools.uk2</a> which itself relied on a government report, the Woods Report on Steiner Education, one of whose three writers is an Angelic Reiki Healer and former student of anthroposophy, another worked as a Steiner teacher. The Report is flawed but even so manages to express concerns. There is not one independent research paper that supports Steiner&#8217;s pedagogy. </p>
<p>Hereford Steiner Waldorf Academy seems also to have survived a &#8216;parent boycott&#8217; of the SATS tests that were in the end a condition of their funding. I note it was only the BBC who reported The DCSF said that in science, all pupils were working below the level of the test so were not required to sit it. I add that the children would have scored poorly, which would have looked even worse than their anarchist gesture of defiance <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8391766.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8391766.stm</a></p>
<p>Looks like a clear breach of contract to me.</p>
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