Watch: UKIP’s Godfrey Bloom hits Michael Crick in the face


2:42 pm - September 20th 2013

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When Channel 4 News Political Correspondent Michael Crick asked Ukip’s Godfrey Bloom why there were no black faces on his party’s conference brochure, he wasn’t bargaining on Mr Bloom’s response.

As a side point – pointing out people’s race isn’t racist, discriminating against them because of their race that is racist.

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Its what happens when you try to smear and accuse a person who is not bound by political correctness of being racist, simply because that’s the predetermined outcome you sought.

Hit him lightly on the head with a magazine would be a more accurate headline!

Still, very entertaining.

And they claim to be a serious political party with leading figures like Mr Bloom?

It surely isn’t racist to ask why UKIP feel unable or unwilling to do more to ensure their political party candidates are more representative of the country they seek to represent in Europe.

Maybe it has something to so with their absurd policies like a total immigration moratorium? A freeze on all immigration for years? Absurd, and legitimately raises questions as to their motives.

Sorry for Mr Crick getting assaulted, but injured in the line of duty and all that. Let no one ever say journalism carries little or no risks!

I was almost hoping he’d say “I don’t bloody believe it chunter chunter mumble”

@1
“You sir are a racist!” – UKIP’s Godfrey Bloom to Michael Crick.

So your point is?

Perhaps if Crick had asked why there were no people from Bongo Bongo Land on the cover, Bloom wouldn’t have been so aggressive.

Pure image liberal politics manifest: Not enough black faces in this picture = racism. How about looking at the vicious (and viciously racist) imperialist history of your evil nation-state and how that’s provided the footing, and bedding, for your luxurious, ‘liberal’ (liberal image) lifestyles? Feels good having the *real scum* like BNP, UKIP about, doesn’t it? You can all pat yourselves on the back for 25 percent of your friends being black and 34 percent gay, etc. Pathetic.

The irony here is that the clown is correct: Crick’s question *is* racist, no matter how many black friends or photo ops he has to his name.

4.
More like ‘whur, shlur, chunter, logo-essh, wiminsh rugby shirts, soft hic, frunt or shback, shlur.’

1

Have I been watching the same video, the one I watched had Godfrey Bloom accusing Michael Crick of racism.

@ Greta, 4.42pm September 20

Like it! But Victor Meldrew is a tad more articulate than that in his catchphrases ;)

10.
Here is the original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWvT32JUbok
btw: the UKIP 2013 conference brochure bears the title ‘Changing The Face of Politics’.

@ 1 the Collective, 2.56pm September 20

Try watching something other than faux News…
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=3409

@11 Greta, 5.52pm September 20

The expression on the woman’s face in front of him – priceless!
Who in their right mind would actually vote for that moron anyway?

Try watching something other than faux News…

Yea, more meaningless digs from the “activist” that have no relation to the issue at hand what so ever.

The expression on the woman’s face in front of him – priceless!

Hearing the leftys voice break down to that of a fragile scared coward when someone stood up to his crap is whats priceless!!!!! I didn’t think it could got that high without helium!!!

Show some manners and reply to Dan’s post #5 and steveb’s post #9.

They aren’t worthy of response, silly old left silly old games. There are no black people on the front of your conference brochure!!!!!

17. Paul Peter Smith

@13 Dissident
‘Who in their right mind would actually vote for that Moron anyway?’
Sadly, quite a lot of people in my Euro constituency!
Which came as a bit of a shock, as this constituency is split between; rural die hard Tory and post industrial die hard Labour, with a sprinkling of LibDem, Green, independent etc. Labour really need to start taking UKIP more seriously, they are definitely losing supporters to the Little England branch of the Thatcher fan club.
I fear that a cynical decision has been taken to concentrate on ‘key marginals’ and let the safe seats erode slowly, you may lose 10,000 votes but a 4000 majoirity is still a win isn’t it.

Its what happens when you try to smear and accuse a person who is not bound by political correctness of being racist, simply because that’s the predetermined outcome you sought.

Godfrey Bloom accuses Michael Crick of being a racist.
‘Changing The Face of Politics’ with Jim Davidson et al.

@ the Collective, 6.19pm September 20

“Yea, more meaningless digs from the “activist” that have no relation to the issue at hand what so ever.”

I swear I can see that vein throbbing all the way from here…

“Hearing the leftys voice break down to that of a fragile scared coward when someone stood up to his crap is whats priceless!!!!! I didn’t think it could got that high without helium!!!”

Yet it is the right winger Godfrey Bloom that goes off the deep end, because he was asked why the people photographed on the UKIP brochure were entirely white. All he had to do was say “I’ve no idea, shall I ask the marketing team why and get back to you?” But no, he couldn’t do that could he, it requires engaging a few neurones for that doesn’t it? Or is it because Michael Crick reported Godfrey Bloom’s gaffe about ‘bongo bongo land’?

http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/bongo-bongo-bloom-hangs-ukip-euro-election-list/2858

If that cover truly represented a random mix of the citizens of the UK, there would be about 90% white and 10% ethnic minorities.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom
The fact that it was 100% white implies UKIP only wants to represent white people. Could that be a reason for such defensiveness?

Did you read the last sentence of the OP? Here it is to remind you:
“As a side point – pointing out people’s race isn’t racist, discriminating against them because of their race that is racist”

@ the Collective, 6.19pm September 20

“Yea, more meaningless digs from the “activist” that have no relation to the issue at hand what so ever.”

I swear I can see that vein throbbing all the way from here…

“Hearing the leftys voice break down to that of a fragile scared coward when someone stood up to his crap is whats priceless!!!!! I didn’t think it could got that high without helium!!!”

Yet it is the right winger Godfrey Bloom that goes off the deep end, because he was asked why the people photographed on the UKIP brochure were entirely white. All he had to do was say “I’ve no idea, shall I ask the marketing team why and get back to you?” But no, he couldn’t do that could he, it requires engaging a few neurones for that doesn’t it? Or is it because Michael Crick reported Godfrey Bloom’s gaffe about ‘bongo bongo land’?
http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/bongo-bongo-bloom-hangs-ukip-euro-election-list/2858

If that cover truly represented a random mix of the citizens of the UK, there would be about 90% white and 10% ethnic minorities.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_the_United_Kingdom
The fact that it was 100% white implies UKIP only wants to represent white people. Could that be a reason for such defensiveness?

Did you read the last sentence of the OP? Here it is to remind you:
“As a side point – pointing out people’s race isn’t racist, discriminating against them because of their race that is racist”

As a side point – pointing out people’s race isn’t racist, discriminating against them because of their race that is racist.

And with his comment he was insinuating both Bloom & ukip are racist, bloom threw it back in his face…you see…he was pointing out the presence of only white faces which to the leftist mind set automatically means black people are being discriminated against because they are not present.

In the same way leftists think women are being discriminated against in the board room because they are not present in equal numbers to men, that there were only whites on the cover means nothing, but insinuating he is racist suits your cause, its sly and disrespectful and for better or for worse he did it to someone not bound by political correctness hence the swift arrival of the high pitched voice he likely has not produced since he was 9 years old.

@ the Collective, 9.02pm September 20

So you didn’t read this link?
http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/bongo-bongo-bloom-hangs-ukip-euro-election-list/2858

It’s totally irrelevant in your echo chamber that Crick reported this, and Bloom was humiliated by all the jokes at his expense afterwards? For example this…
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/we-dont-get-any-aid-says-president-of-bongobongoland-2013080777988

Oh and guess what, UKIP have punished him for his behaviour now.
Suspension and losing the party whip. To quote Farange
“My opinion is Godfrey has gone beyond the pale. He’s a friend of mine and I’m sorry to say it but he has gone beyond the pale and I think we have no option but to remove the whip from him.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/controversial-ukip-mep-godfrey-bloom-loses-party-whip-after-calling-women-sluts-and-hitting-television-reporter-around-the-head-8829838.html

You remind me of the Crowe family in the Elmore Leonard books. In fact, your collective posts are almost bearable when read aloud in southern hick accents.
Elvin Crowe, Dale Crowe, Roland Crowe etc., – Try it it’s fun.

Godfrey Bloom accused Michael Crick of being a racist.

He did but only because.

Changes subject.

Point of response was?

@ Ceiliog, 11.08pm September 20

“You remind me of the Crowe family in the Elmore Leonard books. In fact, your collective posts are almost bearable when read aloud in southern hick accents.
Elvin Crowe, Dale Crowe, Roland Crowe etc., – Try it it’s fun.”

Nowt wrong with hillbillys – one of my friends is one ;)

@ the Collective, 11.24pm September 20

“Godfrey Bloom accused Michael Crick of being a racist.”

It helps if the accusation actually stands up to scrutiny. However scrutiny implies been able to look at the evidence, and thinking logically. For both, you are an epic failure.

26. Lili von Shtupp

He did but only because

a.) Flange phoned him about the whip
b.) he’s a fruitcake
c.) he hadn’t had enough
d.) it’s that time of the month
e.) he thought that Crick was a giant wasp
f.) he’s Merkel’s secret campaign manager

It’s totally irrelevant

Correct, as “bongobongo” land is not racist, its irrelevant.

Oh and guess what, UKIP have punished him for his behaviour now. Suspension and losing the party whip.

Good, the guy has heart and an understanding of the world, having had real jobs in his life as opposed to the trust fund baby’s that have NO CONCEPT of the working mans life, but his attitude is one of the past, from a time in which the world was not infested with liberals who have a compulsive need to be offended, if he steps out of the light the focus can go to ukips policy’s instead of the constant hysteria about a comment or two (y)

It helps if the accusation actually stands up to scrutiny.

Correct, that would be why michael insinuated he and the party are racist instead of coming straight out with an accusation.

Hows you’re logical thinking doing with those climate models? Ok I guess if you turn the central heating up as you think about it..

Well all of you had the chance to discuss this and other matters in the LCs own irc channel and none of you wanted to take part.

Oh dear Godfrey cracked a joke

Big big deal,and as for all the brainwashed pc brigade on here,”get a life you arsholes”

Oh,can I say that,am i allowed?.

I have had the displeasure of taking part in a panel debate with Mr Bloom at the university of Hull. Some students raised the issue of hate crimes and poor Godfrey could genuinely not understand that they aren’t always about race/ethnic origin and he even started going on about hate crimes making “indigenous people” feel neglected/not taken as seriously as “an Asian shopkeeper” (in Bloom’s world Asian people only run corner shops apparently).

The students were incredulous at his use of “indigenous” and I asked him what he meant adding that although I was born in Yorkshire neither of my parents were and one of my grandparents came from another European country, so did I count as indigenous.

He didn’t answer me but started blathering on about “people whose families have lived in the same place for generations”of course what he really meant by indigenous was white, but he knew this would sound wrong. He sounded like a closet racist and I am certain that not one of those students will ever vote UKIP.

Bloom’s jokes are not really jokes (he only classifies them as such when people find him offensive), they are the views of an out of touch misogynist, mildly racist little Englander.

I love UKIP, the party the Conservatives would love to be if they weren’t so busy enabling corporate greed. Bloom’s original not too funny joke simply failed to take account of the way the meaning of words changes with time, he’d probably have got away with slattern unremarked. Finding himself in a hole he couldn’t resist digging with his ludicrous comments to the Channel 4 reporter and hitting him with the manifesto was the cherry on the cake. Hilarious stuff was it not for how close Bloom got to being a police commissioner. But it did reveal a glimpse of the real Farage behind the pub buffoon act, when C4 tried to interview him the matey quips were replaced with a wall of glacial silence. Well done Channel 4.

C4 News followed up with a piece on the bedroom tax where the appearance of loathsome Liam Byrne was enough to wipe the smile off anyone’s face however it soon returned with the appearance of Matthew Hancock a man who is astonishingly dim even by modern Tory standards. With a face like a day old haddock he proved the embodiment of the saying the lights are on but nobody’s home, though in Hancock’s case the lights apppeared to be off, the electricity disconnected and even the mice had left the building. I assume IDS can no longer be allowed near a camera in case he has one of his temper tantrums

Bloom’s biggest crime is being an inarticulate buffoon who, as an MEP, cannot deal with the normal interviewing techniques which all political representatives have to deal with. Even if he had a point, and he didn’t, he isn’t someone who any party would want to own, as illustrated by the comments of Farage.

@ the Collective, 1.03am September 21

“Hows you’re logical thinking doing with those climate models? Ok I guess if you turn the central heating up as you think about it..”

Interestingly Bloom is as dumb as you when it comes to AGW too. He claims that the alleged consensus opinion of scientists about climate change is a “Scam Scam Scam!” of “climate crooks”.

Wow, grammatically inept and clinging desperately to a long since debunked zombie meme. No wonder you are circle jerking off to his image…

The only person clinging desperately to anything is you and that would be you’re insults, so “wow” grammatically inept, be sure to keep pointing it out on every other response and as you do continue avoiding all the points.

“Scam Scam Scam!” of “climate crooks”.

In 2012 renewable energy producers “cashed in an estimated €20 billion for electricity worth a mere €3 billion. Top climate scientists will blame mankind more clearly than ever for global warming next week whilst using the word “uncertainty” more than ever before.

Theres one born every minute.

36. Richard Carey

Bloom’s a liability because the media would far rather report on his foolish exploits than focus on what UKIP want them to, so his goose is cooked, but let’s not pretend that what he did was shocking. It’s only shocking in the sense that a politician would act in a way guaranteed to bring such bad publicity. The journalist was tapped on the head by a brochure. It’s not like he would have needed hospital treatment, is it?

@ 30 Rebecca,

“The students were incredulous at his use of “indigenous” and I asked him what he meant”

This indicates a very poor level of comprehension on the part of the students. I suspect you know very well what he meant (leaving aside whether his arguments were sound or not). It’s one thing to dispute the importance of distinguishing between indigenous and non-indigenous, it’s quite another to pretend you don’t understand the distinction.

Collective
More hypocrisy. You demand that others stick to the subject but insert a remark about renewables that has been debunked on another thread.

This caught my eye:
“… Which brings us back to dear old Godfrey, Boris and Co. They’re the jesters of Big Money. They raise a stunned gape at their knowing use of language and ideas previously thought beyond the pale. Like comedians relying on rape jokes, the shock diminishes but the ideas permeate into polite society, disguised as ‘speaking your mind’ or ‘common sense’. Exaggerated by an echo-chamber media pursuing other private interests, their plain-speaking is seen as attractive to the serious politicians and we’re dragged, one gaffe at a time, into a smaller, meaner, less hospitable, more suspicious condition.”
Source: http://plashingvole.blogspot.co.uk/

@Richard Carey #35:

This indicates a very poor level of comprehension on the part of the students. I suspect you know very well what he meant (leaving aside whether his arguments were sound or not). It’s one thing to dispute the importance of distinguishing between indigenous and non-indigenous, it’s quite another to pretend you don’t understand the distinction.

What do you think is meant by “indigenous” when referring to UK citizens?

Interestingly Bloom is as dumb as you when it comes to AGW too.

Collective responds.

Collective
More hypocrisy. You demand that others stick to the subject but insert a remark about renewables that has been debunked on another thread.

Uh..and: Renewable-power producers cashed in an estimated €20 billion last year for electricity that was actually worth a mere €3 billion on the wholesale … emissions increased by almost 2% in 2012 > “debunk” all you want. I hear Australia is getting a grip with climate change now.

Of Sluts, and Strikes, Or, Forward to 1912!
—-

Thats what makes it so funny, that this man with an attitude so before our antiliberal intolerant times happens to be the one speaking so much sense on policy.

http://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/news-and-analysis/ukip-attacks-immoral-fos-over-lack-of-financial-qualifications/2000618.article I liked this from him.

@ the Collective, 11.46am September 21

“Theres one born every minute.” Yawn, nothing worthwhile to contribute other than puerile misinformation from the echo chamber. By the way, nice apostrophe use, again :)

@ Richard Carey, 11.46am September 21

Agreed, Bloom is a buffoon. What else do you expect UKIP to attract? Little Englanders or fascists ;) As for Rebecca “asking him what he meant” by the word indigenous – have you never asked some idiot to repeat what they said or meant by anything they’ve uttered in a conversation?

@ the Collective, 1.01pm September 21

More dribbles from your circle jerk.

“Forward to 1912″

Forward to 1912?? You do realise that just 2 years later, there was a minor spat called WW1, when people like you were used as cannon fodder by champagne quaffing donkeys – or are you as ignorant of history as you are of modern science.

“Thats what makes it so funny, that this man with an attitude so before our antiliberal intolerant times happens to be the one speaking so much sense on policy.”

Look at this then, it shows who they are. They have been lurching ever rightwards and becoming more authoritarian since the late 1970s. All the main political parties are guilty. I know it’s hard work to actually read through it, especially for you, which is why they helpfully placed a couple of info graphics on there to display such information in easy to digest format. Incidentally, it also reveals that UKIP are very far from been libertarian…
http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

42. Richard Carey

@ Robin,

“What do you think is meant by “indigenous” when referring to UK citizens?”

I really don’t think there is much mystery in what the meaning is. I suspect you are trying to make a political point, rather than a semantic one. It has a legal definition, but this relates to colonial or post-colonial countries, rather than a country such as ours. However, in the case of our country it means people who consider themselves descended from, and culturally linked to, the people who lived on this island during the last few hundred if not few thousand years. Human migration and settlement are interesting subjects for research, via archeology and increasingly genetics. The extent to which Germanic tribes replaced or merged with the population already living on the island are matters for interesting debate. Place names and dialect differences also give indications of the varying pattern of settlement.

Personally, as far as I know, I am indigenous, insofar as my family tree, which I have researched down one line as far as the 17th Century, is English/Welsh/Cornish. Whether this is important to anyone else is another matter. I certainly have no extra privileges granted me for my authentic indigenousness. I expect the significance is a subjective thing, insofar as I feel a greater attachment to the history of the people of these islands, compared to the history of Japan or the Andaman Islands.

I am not endorsing anything Bloom may have said on the subject. I am merely asserting that the meaning of the word indigenous is not controversial, notwithstanding the fact that political statements which employ it may well be.

Forward to 1912?? You do realise that just 2 years later, there was a minor spat called WW1, when people like you were used as cannon fodder by champagne quaffing donkeys – or are you as ignorant of history as you are of modern science.

You mean people like us, both me and you, but any chance to talk about you’re self as superior to the rest is to good to pass up eh? Even when you have to pull that opportunity out of thin air – Forward to 1912! = Ah yes I acknowledge the article you linked Ceiliog. Nothing more to it, but an opportunity for you!! To bring up history and score points with some class room nerd politics.

As a side note im fond of history, both its written form and a bit of hands on with some with metal detecting, if I was interested in neither and knew nothing about history..and what?

I know it’s hard work to actually read through it, especially for you

The pride you have in constantly putting down a person with dyslexia about their grammar and reading only highlights the dysfunctions of you’re own psychology and self esteem, you’re intense discomfort of the world as it is and you’re burning desire to force change on others as you see fit under the guise of saving the world only highlights its more.

Neither reading or writing are hard but they aren’t up to par, I accept that, I read to the point I don’t need a tv with incoming channels, it is not something I pride my self on though, and neither should you, it should have lost its street cred before you hit comprehensive school, its just a function, if someones is not good enough for you stop reading their words.

As for ukip, you and the establishment are terrified of them giving a referendum because for what ever reason you want to see the end of Britain as independent country and its culture diluted beyond recognition.

If one of the party’s had just given the dam vote and it was decided half a million new comers to the country a year with stretched public services, housing and job shortages and an ever growing multiculturalism was the way forward then ukip would have little reason to exist.

Fact is they will not give the public the choice and they are with us for the foreseeable future.

Rebecca Taylor,

The students were incredulous at his use of “indigenous” and I asked him what he meant“.

Your students appear to play the usual connotative, smear-by-word-association games beloved of our (indigenous) liberal elite.

How would you describe a group of people who share a common ancestry who have inhabited the same territory for many generations?

Perhaps you have no such word, because there is no such thing as a group of people with common ancestry and historical ties to a articular territory. The Australian aborigine has no more in common with his fellow aborigines and no greater claim to his native homeland of Australia than a Peruvian, an Italian or a Mongolian. So too with the Palestinian among their fellow Palestinians in Palestine, the Africans in Africa, etc, etc.

Or perhaps you are more interested in replacing the indigenous populations of Europe with sundry foreign peoples, and, finding little enthusiasm for such a scheme among its (perverse, racist) victims, feel the need to distract attention and deflect all criticism by resorting to Stalinist assaults on our language.

(Our language being yet another thing bequeathed to us by our ancestors, who don’t exist and with whom we share no ties and nothing in common; perhaps, after replacing its people, our robot overlords will consign the English language to the dustbin of history as well. “We must be free or die, who speak the tongue that Shakespeare spoke”. Don’t worry, Mr Wordsworth, we can take care of that for you. Progress, my dear friends, is ever on the march!)

Timothy
No. It indicates that Bloom is a poor communicator who hates anyone daring to ask for an explanation.

@ the Collective, 2.40pm September 21

“You mean people like us, both me and you, but any chance to talk about you’re self as superior to the rest is to good to pass up eh? Even when you have to pull that opportunity out of thin air – Forward to 1912! = Ah yes I acknowledge the article you linked Ceiliog. Nothing more to it, but an opportunity for you!! To bring up history and score points with some class room nerd politics.”

It is you who started down the route of making out your superior, what is it you say? Ah yes, you mentally unbalanced leftists, blah blah blah ad boringum… It’s interesting to note that many of the most influential people worldwide would have been dismissed by you as classroom nerds too! I’m not on about those who inherited daddy’s wealth, your favourite conservative heroes like Koch, Murdock et al, I am on about those who really did build the modern world…

“As for ukip, you and the establishment are terrified of them giving a referendum because for what ever reason you want to see the end of Britain as independent country and its culture diluted beyond recognition.”

Since all countries on the planet roll over and spread them for big multinational corporations, your romantic notion of independent countries and cultures doesn’t hold much water. Wake up to the real world around you.

“If one of the party’s had just given the dam vote and it was decided half a million new comers to the country a year with stretched public services, housing and job shortages and an ever growing multiculturalism was the way forward then ukip would have little reason to exist.”

Let’s go with this dribble, eh? Only trouble is, this country has also been an emigration point for centuries. If you don’t want immigration, how about that? Because every British citizen emigrating from these shores becomes an immigrant in another country. What’s to stop other countries going down the tit-for-tat route? It would result in literally millions of expats flooding back from around the world. Or are you going to close the borders totally in pursuit of your own obsessions?

It is you who started down the route of making out your superior, what is it you say? Ah yes, you mentally unbalanced leftists, blah blah blah ad boringum.

I do think you are mentally unbalanced, and note, Its not me throwing random history lessons around in an attempt to lift my self above both the fate of millions who died and you, on the chance you aren’t aware of some piece of knowledge.(Clearly you think only people like me are used for cannon fodder, not the exceptional specimens of the species such as you’re self, you’re an environmentalist, you’re spiritually attuned, you’re special!) That is classroom nerd politics, do many of the most influential people in the world behave like you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymsHLkB8u3s

A scene from a film I happened to like. As for Koch, Murdock etc I do not like them, I have little in common with them, I can agree or disagree with things they do and say. We are back to the mental balance thing aren’t we? For you its all or nothing, hero or absolute hate.

Since all countries on the planet roll over and spread them for big multinational corporations, your romantic notion of independent countries and cultures doesn’t hold much water. Wake up to the real world around you.

You’re reasoning: Because corporations have gained immense power the idea of independent national parliaments with full control over law order borders & economic policy is a “romantic notion”. I guess we have to consolidate all the fragmented power structures into one area to make it more efficient for the corporations to apply their powers, eh?

Let’s go with this dribble, eh?

By referring to the refusal to give the people of this nation a vote as “dribble” you tell us all we need to know about your stance on and respect towards democracy. Pro or anti immigration, the issue is currently encapsulated within the wider issue of our relationship the to the European union, an issue concerning much more than immigration.

However you are right, dealing with the issue (if that’s what the people of the country want) at this stage would be a gigantic mess with many possible implications. All the more reason why a dam vote should have been given to the people before the country went full steam ahead with immigration.

And what do the left do when the negative aspects of immigration are pointed out? They accuse those of being concerned for any reason of being “obsessed”.

And you actually have to wonder why ukip have taken off? They are a direct result of you’re attitude and disrespect towards those who do not share the same views as you.

For the record Im pro immigration, with conditions such as having adequate skills and finances to support ones self whilst here, as opposed to an immigration policy formulated on rubbing the rights nose in diversity…sound politics there..

48. Richard Carey

@ 46 Dissident

“Since all countries on the planet roll over and spread them for big multinational corporations, your romantic notion of independent countries and cultures doesn’t hold much water. Wake up to the real world around you.”

Is this something you welcome? For instance if the water supply of a country such as Bolivia is sold to multi-nationals, and the people screwed thereby, would you say to the Bolivian protestors “suck it up”?

When you say “countries” you mean *governments* or probably more accurately *power elites*. These do not necessarily represent the legitimate interests of the people of those places, in fact it’s usually the inverse.

As for “wake up to the real world”, it is, you know, possible to be awake to the real world, but seek to change the status quo.

@ Richard Carey, 6.24pm September 21

“Is this something you welcome? For instance if the water supply of a country such as Bolivia is sold to multi-nationals, and the people screwed thereby, would you say to the Bolivian protestors “suck it up”?”

I disagree with this vehemently, what right do said multinationals have? They are only businesses anyway. Corporate law as it stands favours those who have the most money, not the people with the best ideas. It’s very hard to see someone, or organisation having a million brains just because they have a million shares. Maybe one shareholder, one vote would be a useful amendment to said laws? As for whether that would be more just, I don’t know.

“When you say “countries” you mean *governments* or probably more accurately *power elites*. These do not necessarily represent the legitimate interests of the people of those places, in fact it’s usually the inverse.”

Agreed. They do spout out propaganda that makes it look like they do. Which is a very real danger…

“As for “wake up to the real world”, it is, you know, possible to be awake to the real world, but seek to change the status quo.”

Once more, agreed. If you refer back to my response to your first statement about changing corporate law, that may be a route to explore. The only caveat I have, is our media outlets should first be taken out of the hands of people who inherited their wealth from daddy, and instead replaced with people who are democratically voted, from a random list inclusive of us all, with truly equal weight given to each “candidates” outlook in the voting campaign, ie the real world strengths and weaknesses, from concepts like “the tragedy of the commons” to the understanding that concentration of wealth/power in any one persons hand has been demonstrated in our history to be corrupting. Another thing to address, is our inherent tribalism as a species. Why weigh less from someone out of your particular tribe, it should really be ideas first! (Maybe the Collective could start using self proclaimed historical knowledge there)

If you have ever read the scifi of Alastair Reynolds, he describes something called “Demarchism” which is obviously a splice of democracy with anarchism. Whether it would work, is an experiment in politics…

Collective

And you actually have to wonder why ukip have taken off?

If you had read the article that I linked at #37 in full, rather than concentrate exclusively on the headline, I would not need to post this.
UKIP is led by a supporter of a pan-national free market and he was quite happy to sell short on the pound whilst making millions from currency trading. Flange and his band may sound attractive to some because of his anti-EU rhetoric but you need to bear in mind the fact that he hates the system because he wants to free capitalists from any obligations to workers.

Jeez…you people have some time on your hands!

If you had read the article that I linked at #37 in full, rather than concentrate exclusively on the headline, I would not need to post this.

I did, the fact remains ukip have taken off (in term of popularity) because the main stream parties are totally unreceptive to the people of this country when it comes to the eu. Both in terms of serious debate and “allowing” the public to vote on the future of their country.

UKIP is led by a supporter of a pan-national free market and he was quite happy to sell short on the pound whilst making millions from currency trading.

Neither shorting or going long the pound makes you anything other than a currency trader hoping to be on the right side of economic reality.

Flange and his band may sound attractive to some because of his anti-EU rhetoric but you need to bear in mind the fact that he hates the system because he wants to free capitalists from any obligations to workers.

Its not a case of being attracted to his “anti-EU rhetoric”
do you have any concept how big an issue it is to hand sovereign control of the country over, bit by bit, to a foreign government? To change policy’s of such importance, policy’s that change the face of our society, immigration for instance, without the direct consent of the people?

It may not mean much to you, there are many people it means a lot to, and if what you say is true then its an even bigger outrage the political parties stayed silent, allowing concerned members of the population to be slandered, accused of being racists, little englanders etc etc if they simply raised a concern.

Instead of being statesmen and stepping to the plate, acknowledging the huge changes that are taking place in these times and moving forward only with public approval.

Instead we have had politics based on pissing off the opposing side and a public left facing a brick wall, becoming so frustrated they turn to the first party they believe can help…in this case that’s ukip and what ever demons lay in wait..its been a long and Avoidable road in sending the public and the power to govern the uk right to them.

@ Collective, 7.55pm September 21

“Its not a case of being attracted to his “anti-EU rhetoric”
do you have any concept how big an issue it is to hand sovereign control of the country over, bit by bit, to a foreign government? To change policy’s of such importance, policy’s that change the face of our society, immigration for instance, without the direct consent of the people?”

Is the previous model of aggressive wars preferable?

Genuine question, since you have read a lot of history. Look at how the “UK” was formed in the first place…

As for your statement about us been involved in the process, I hope so. With the caveat that the disseminators of information about it can be trusted.

do you have any concept how big an issue it is to hand sovereign control of the country over, bit by bit, to a foreign government?

Which foreign government are you on about? The EU is not a country so I presume you mean the USA.
The EU did not demand that national assets be sold off to the highest bidder. Britain has never be ordered to attack another sovereign country. The EU does not write our laws.
The main reasons for why people have such a low opinion of the EU are:
1.) A hostile press that misleads their readers and often publishes outright lies about the EU.
2.) UKIP, Tory, BNP MEPs who do their utmost to get the worst possible deal for Britain in the hope that Parliament will break away.
3.) Many people are stupid and/or impressionable.
Those who praise Bloom the brothel expert, as opposed to the hacks who make a living out of lauding oafs, are in group 3.

@ Ceiliog

Since even the USA is subservient to -ahem- friendly multinationals, surely your points are mute ;)

Yes, Dissident, I keyed the words with my mouth shut.

@ Ceiliog, 9.55pm September 21

Not good enough I’m afraid, you should also put gaffer tape over your mouth, and rescind any access to the net! how dare you (or me or anyone else) ever, ever question right wingers eh ;) Note how Collective hasn’t answered my question about the past – yet…

This country is a surreal place. The disconnected former working class, the loathsome villagers, the pompous liberal elite. What the fuck is going to happen in the future?

59. Rob the cripple

Bloom is not all bad then hitting this reporter in the face oh boy would I enjoy doing that.

Michael Crick was out of order here and doing us (the public) a disservice. Of course that bloke Bloom is a bumbling idiot, and UKIP are stupid for having such people in their ranks. I just caught a look at another guy speaking at the conference yesterday and no one will ever have heard of him – and he says things far better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8__KC93unB0

That’s more like the real UKIP view I would guess, but isn’t sexy enough for Channel 4 News to want to focus on. I don’t have much time for UKIP myself, but I’d say that at least that person (Peter Whittle) was worth engaging with.
But where’s the sport in that?

Crick has gone down a great deal in my estimation.
Poor show.

how many others would love to give those pompous reporters a tap on the head

Dean MacKinnon-Thomson post number 3

remember who was deputy prime minister in the last labour government?

punchy prescott.

@60

Diddums. You don’t like it because Crick exposed Bloom for what he is. As for your YouTube clip, that merely reinforces your prejudices. I love the way the speaker opens his speech by using the word “multiculturalism” to the delight of his audience.

@45

Exactly.


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