EDL supporter calls for shooting at Muslims, on FB


3:48 pm - September 16th 2013

by Sunny Hundal    


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An EDL supporter, angry about “the islamification of our country” calls for people on the English Defence League’s page to shoot at Muslims. For that he gets ‘Likes’ rather than having the comment deleted.

What’s ironic is that he doesn’t even live in the UK, having moved to Thailand permanently. Link to the comment (via @exposetweets)

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Of course, EDL supporters are not violent at all.

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Idiot says something stupid on the internet.
Is that really worth reporting?
I don’t think so, but others obviously do.
The more interesting thing for me here is the psychology of it.
Not everyone can have the liberal mindset of someone like David Aaronovitch or Dan Hodges. But it appears that Sunny here just can’t get that concept. That some people are just thick and a bit lumpen.
Maybe he doesn’t mix with or know such people.
But really. Where’s the posts about backward non-white people? Or is it just always open season on stupid white people?

2. the a&e charge nurse

[1] ‘Idiot says something stupid on the internet – Is that really worth reporting?’ – yes, so long as it maintains the LC narrative of unmasking the EDL as violent thugs when, cunningly they would have the public believe they are sensitive peaceniks.

If the EDL are depicted as terrorists often enough then it makes it harder to point the finger when other groups with a penchant for beheading or random street bombings go about god’s mysterious work – in fact can anyone really complain about such deeds when similar atrocities are being carried out on facebook …… under our very noses?

Sunny,
He’s not actually calling for “shooting at Muslims”.

He’s making a very odd point about anonymity and religious dress, and in an extremely tasteless manner.

I don’t doubt that he’s racist, etc etc, but, surely it’s best to ignore these fools?

I agree with 1 and 3

The thing with ‘supporters’ is that they’re not quite so easy to disciple or exclude as ‘members’. For example Gillian Duffy could have been categorised as a ‘labour supporter’, but as demonstrated by her confrontation with Gordon Brown, her views were not really endorsed all that much by the labour party apparatus.

Also I should add that you should be careful of ‘confirmation bias in comment threads’, one US-based gay rights blog I frequent had a spate of comments, from fresh posters, calling for the killings of Christians. These comments were then paraded about Christian sites as evidence of ‘violent homosexuals’, when the blog owner looked into the origin of these comments he discovered that the IP’s just happened to match those of the websites parroting the ‘evidence’. He blocked the IP’s and lo and behold the mystery posters vanished.

7. Just Visiting

Cylux

> when the blog owner looked into the origin of these comments he discovered that the IP’s just happened to match those of the websites parroting the ‘evidence’.

It may have happened – but not the way you report it.
Can you show your source?

( It would be a cheap jibe against ‘christian sites’ if you threw this into the debate here with no evidence to back you up, I’m sure you’d agree.)

It didn’t happen the way you describe it – because the IP addresses of those visiting website A can NOT be the IP-address of any other website B, except in the very rare case where a website is hosted at home, on the same IP as the people living there browse the web with.

Anybody technically able to do the work of that hosting at home – would know not to post silly things from that network, as it would always be traceable to their website via the IP address!

Anybody technically able to do the work of that hosting at home – would know not to post silly things from that network, as it would always be traceable to their website via the IP address!

You’d think so, wouldn’t you.

9. So Much For Subtlety

It is interesting that for decades we have had large numbers of people in Britain who have openly called for the murder of even larger numbers of other British people. Huge numbers actually. Some of them have worked hard to make those murders happen. Very hard. An unknown but non-trivial number of them have taken money from foreign governments to bring about those murders.

But they are Marxists and so that is alright. They are even allowed to write for Liberal Conspiracy.

Beams and motes mate, beams and motes.

Doubt you’ll ever get Mr. Hundal criticizing the followers of the religion of peace – that Sharia Islamic law beleives in chopping people’s arms and legs off , or stoning people to death or that Jihad and being killed in war against infidels means a guaranteed place in paradise with 72 virgins. No – that would mean he alieantes his Msulim twitter folowers and friends. He’ll focus on a throw away remark made in admittedly poor fashion arguing how guns and bombs can be hidden below burkas

@ Steve, 10.14am September 17

72 virgins, I thought the literal translation was 72 unplucked fruit for all eternity! Fancy waiting an eternity, popping a cherry, waiting another eternity, then munching a pear (you get the idea there)

Well, the EDL fuckwits found their way here quickly…

@12

Indeed, they have.

14. the a&e charge nurse

[13] indeed, criticism of islam almost certainly implies diehard allegiance with the EDL – in fact it is hard to get into meetings nowadays without the likes of Sam Harris or Richard Dawking blocking the way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9PJBFW_xXA

I reckon the EDL if they don’t like it here should move to Israel.

12 @ 13: which are the EDL posters?

17. the a&e charge nurse

[16] it’s probably just a fashionable variant on the islamophobia trope?

@17:
Probably, or an example of “my enemies friend is my friend”.

@15. George King: “I reckon the EDL if they don’t like it here should move to Israel.”

England and the UK are the homes for contrary people. We live in a contrary country.

I dislike suggestions for people to ‘move away’ because it implies that some particular people are unwelcome.

@15 George King, 2.32pm September 17

Another comment to go with Charliemans, do you think Israel would accept people who are regularly photographed Heiling Hitler? Mmmmm, that would be interesting to behold 😉

This site defends the only real rape culture I have ever seen because of skin color and religion while attacking others due to the same.

Well done!

@14

You’re paranoid. It’s not Islam that’s being “criticised” – in fact those of you who protest this line haven’t produced a single cogent criticism of the religion and your antipathy is predicated on cultural relativism – it’s the fact that some of them look different to you. And please, don’t bother spluttering out the the usual “Islam isn’t a race” bollocks. It’s people with brown skin you and the EDL object to. In essence, nothing has changed since the 1970s with the NF marching on our streets.

@16

You’re lazy. Do your own work.

@17

“it’s probably just a fashionable variant on the islamophobia trope”?

That’s rich coming from a purveyor of anti-Muslims tropes. You’re clearly suffering from an irony deficiency.

@21

“This site defends the only real rape culture I have ever seen because of skin color and religion while attacking others due to the same”.

Another blatant smear. This is pretty much the extent of your ‘criticism’ of Islam.

It’s people with brown skin you and the EDL object to.

I love it when people just decide what others are thinking on any issue, to see such a parade of self importance my god it never fails to produce a laugh.

Another blatant smear. This is pretty much the extent of your ‘criticism’ of Islam.

It was a criticism is this website but however you need to reshape information, whatever you need to believe to remain comfortable in you’re views, you will do so. . .

@25 Buddyhell, 12.16pm September 18

Don’t worry about the Collective/ob/weed killer – that blogger’s spittle shows a – fanatical – obsession with conspiracist ideation anyway!

Buddy Hell:

“@16

You’re lazy. Do your own work”.

Err …. it was a question. Perhaps you should calm down a bit. You may not be as all-knowing as you think.

Don’t worry about the Collective/ob/weed killer – that blogger’s spittle shows a – fanatical – obsession with conspiracist ideation anyway!

> Never written under the name “weedkiller”

> Commenting on articles does not make you a blogger.

> Have not produced a single conspiracy theory, unlike you with you’re oil industry rants and fantasy’s. Every time you see something you do not agree with you say ah that’s ok, its wrong because they are conspiracy theorists, maybe one day you will become a bit more secure in you’re self and learn throwing accusations around like a child instead of focusing on the information does little bar make you look immature.

Is it still a conspiracy blocking all nations on earth from leaving their dependence upon oil?

Is it a conspiracy theory that over a trillion has been spent to “combat” global warming?

Try to get through without name calling wont you.

31. the a&e charge nurse

[22] dear god, where to start – perhaps we’d better hear from a person with, err, brown skin, who does not seem quite as blinkered as you to islam’s perennial penchant for violence and chauvenism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0ZfHIuZ8Y

Support for the national front in the 70’s was just as meagre as support today for the EDL – nobody really cares about them apart from certain media commentators.

32. Richard Carey

Surely if this guy is an “EDL supporter”, by the same token any commenter here could be called a “Liberal Conspiracy supporter”, and as some commenters take contrary views from the editorial line, perhaps the next in this long line of EDL posts could be called “Liberal Conspiracy supporters defend EDL”?

@26

“I love it when people just decide what others are thinking on any issue, to see such a parade of self importance my god it never fails to produce a laugh”.

I love it when EDL apologists whine and scream “unfair”. “Parade of self importance”… that’s you in a nutshell.

@27

“It was a criticism is this website but however you need to reshape information, whatever you need to believe to remain comfortable in you’re views, you will do so”

Thanks for that load of bollocks. What does it mean, brainache?

@29

“Err …. it was a question. Perhaps you should calm down a bit. You may not be as all-knowing as you think”.

Patronising as well as ignorant. What a great combination.

@28

Agreed.

@31

“Support for the national front in the 70?s was just as meagre as support today for the EDL – nobody really cares about them apart from certain media commentators”.

Thanks for that red herring. We got out onto the streets and opposed the NF. Are you seriously suggesting the EDL and others should ignored? Get real.

PS Your bedside manner is appalling.

@31

One more thing. The NF were on the verge of winning a seat on the GLC. An NF splinter group won a seat on Blackburn Council in the late 70s and you tell me that “nobody really cares about them apart from certain media commentators”? Truly laughable ahistorical bollocks.

@30

“Try to get through without name calling wont you”.

Said without a trace of irony. Shall I dig out the reply where you referred to me as a “sad sad bastard”?

@ BuddyHell, 35:

I was responding to your initial, unprovoked rudeness.

41. Paul Peter Smith

@38 buddyhell
“The NF were on the verge of winning a seat on the GLC. An NF splinter group won a seat on Blackburn Council in the late 70s.”

So your great fear is that the EDL may achieve two council seats and top the pinnacle of Nazi electoral success set by the NF by 100%, hardly the Third Reich is it.
I remember the various NF and Anti-Fascist rumbles of the 70/80’s, small poorly attended excuses for a gang fight in most cases, the real action was on the terraces along with the interest of most of the population. Hardly anyone gave a monkey’s about the NF back then when people thought it was perfectly acceptable to call Asian’s P..i’s, in case you hadn’t noticed things have changed. If people seek out extremist’s its usually because they have no where else to go and whose fault is that?

Since when did the EDL become a political party? As far as I’m aware the group doesn’t have any members let alone potential candidates for election.

41. Paul Peter Smith
The 1970s and 1980s – Those were the days, eh?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/apr/27/blair-peach-killed-police-met-report

43. Paul Peter Smith

@42. Ceiliog
They certainly were the days, real music, real beer, real communities. But as for the link to ‘Peachy’, I think you’ll find the Met don’t give a monkey’s who the batter on demonstrations. They are even partial to murdering newspaper salesmen who happen to be walking past a demonstration, safe in the knowledge that Keir Starmer will ‘forget’ he only has a year to charge them.

44. PottyTraining

If they allow people to go around with complete head/face covering in this country

– I want to start a movement to remove ALL CCTV cameras from public places as they are defunct tracking people who don’t want to be recognised!

Sorry but he isn’t calling for the shooting of muslims. He is just putting a hypothetical re what would happen if non-Muslims took advantage of the coverage of the Burqa to commit a crime (attacking mosques) that we all know would be taken incredibly seriously. He seems to be saying that the Burqa could be used that way, and asking what then would society’s response to the Burqa be if it were used that way? Not very well put, but he is not suggesting the scenario as a course of action – he is saying “imagine the outrage if..” as a way of demonstrating the potential for dangerous uses of the Burqa.
Hardly calling for the shooting of muslims.


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