Watch: Galloway caught re: Syrian chemical weapons


by Sunny Hundal    
8:16 pm - August 29th 2013

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I didn’t realise George Galloway was so brazen.

Last week: Israel supplied the chemical weapons to al-Qaeda in Syria.

Today: I said no such thing.

(video via @iamthebeef)

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george galloway has converted to islam. nuff said

@Sunny: “I didn’t realise George Galloway was so brazen.”

Galloway has only been in public view for 30 years. Sometimes it takes a while to determine that a politician is dodgy.

In a pedantic fashion, George is right in saying he didn’t say what the ‘reader’s letter’ writer said.

Writer’s letter: “George Galloway said Israel supplied weapons to al-Qaeda” – I’d expect a claim like that to be backed up with proof.

George Galloway: “My *theory* is Israel supplied weapons to al-Qaeda” – emphasis mine. A theory to me is a fanciful notion that gets caught in your head and is teased out into a claim (see above) or peters out to nothing at all, barely a memory.

You know George will argue the exclusion of his “theory” prefix justifies his assertion that he didn’t claim Israel supplied anyone.

Don’t most people accept that when you talk about your ‘theories’ you’re 90% guessing and 10% pretending to know what you’re talking about, often based on something you read online.

4. yetanotheramusingname

No fan of Galloway but the clip of him saying “my theory, Israel supplied..” is heavily edited. He could have said anything at all in between – for example, “some people are even saying that Israel supplied the chemical weapons”.

Is there a full uncut version of Galloway on Press TV? Knowing ol’ GG he’ll be sure to get this off YouTube in due course.

Semantics here, but he did say “It is my theory that…” not a de facto claim. Not that I’d defend the authoritarian egomaniac.

Well in that case my theory is that Galloway is a theiving conniving opportunistic and unprincipled little bastard.

7. Matthew Blott

@ yetanotheramusingname

Often when someone says “I’m no fan of …” they turn out to be a bit more sympathetic to said individual then they like to appear.

8. Psychological Mind Games

With or without chemical weapons all fighting factions in Syria are fighting to the death and there will be NO WINNERS!

You are witnessing total madness right before your eyes.

George was answering completely honestly during his excellent speech which along with others from
Caroline Lucas David Davies Julian Lewis Diane
Abbott and even the usually awful Edward “I cried
when Thatcher resigned” Leigh helped to bring
about the stunning result.As ever the soft left
like Sunni try and paint themselves as the voice
of reason and smear real socialists like George who are a million times more effective than your
feeble blog will ever be in inspiring new people to
left wing politics

10. Man on Clapham Omnibus

Turkey supports Al Qaeda and Al Nusra. The Americans have financed and worked alongside Al Qaeda. The Americans have also financially supported the Taliban through the war in Afghanistan. So the notion that the Israeli’s ,who have managed to infiltrate Iran on many occasions to kill nuclear workers, couldn’t pass chemicals across the border isn’t so far fetched.

Anyone wishing to humble an enemy need only exploit sectarian enmity within the opposing force. America does it all the time in Iraq, which is why they will never leave the oil.

It is hard to imagine the most heavily armed and militarily developed nation in the middle east with a proven track record of expansionism is just sitting on its hands at the moment.

It’s just a theory mind.

11. Rob the cripple

Assad is a very intelligent person, he spent £18 billion on weapons in the past few years a lot coming from the UK.

So OK he has all the weapons he needs to deliver chemical warfare so what does he do he takes it in blue plastic cans and opens it up to kill a hundred, knowing the Americans will react.

yep very intelligent.

George Galloway should be asked to explain why he deliberately misled the House of Commons.

Using the term liar in the House is against protocol but in this case I think MPs would have a good reason to use it.

13. Robin Levett

@Galloway apologists and others:

Galloway stated as fact that any use of nerve gas was by by the rebels; and that any use of chemical weapons (of which nerve gas is of course a subset) was by Al Qaida. He then rhetorically asked who supplied the chemical weapons; and responded with “Here’s my theory: Israel supplied the chemical weaponss”.

If you can’t see that “here’s my theory” means, in that passage of “this is what I believe”, then…

Excellent contribution by Galloway and many others in yesterday’s debate.

The vote should now exercise many minds well beyond those at the White House. I include in this Riyadh, Qatar, Tel Aviv and Tehran.

People are sick and tired of the underhand manipulations which pass for foreign policy. The debate has buried Blair once and for all, Sooner Hague, Cameron and Gove are also buried under their delusional aspirations of a ‘Greater Britain’ the better.

It was also good to see Ed Miiliband’s ammendment defeated – it was a political fig leaf, and the House saw right through it.

Given the murky world that has been made of the Middle East by all those ‘high-minded’ agencies (state and non-state) it surprises no one that there should be theories about who lit the fuse for US intervention, an equally plausible theory would havee Saudi Arabian fingerprints. You can of course add your own agency of choice – as long as it means that another Middle Eastern country is bombed to smithereens under the guise of ‘humanitarian intervention’.

Oh how the diplomats must snigger whenever the word ‘humanitarian’ tips of a politician’s forked tongue.

Bit of a vendetta against a good socialist you’ve got going on, no?

A good socialist? Is Galloway either??

GallowayWatch along FelixSaipen regularly edits clips of George Galloway speaking on press tv. So Sunny don’t use Edited Youtube clips as prove.

18. yetanotheramusingname

@7

Apologies. Allow me to be more clear – I find Galloway an odious human being who tars the good name of socialism with his ludicrous posturing and attention-seeking bullshit. Amongst other things that I dare not write owing to GG’s history of litigation. However, in the interest of fairmindedness, I thought it best for an unedited version of the speech to be provided.
Thank you Sunny for updating the OP :)

@17

Sunny has provided the unedited clip from Press TV. Which bit do you think has been invented? GG has claimed that his theory is that Israel provided chemical weapons to whoever used them in Syria. He has then denied this in the HoC – misleading, at best.

theorise – to believe especially on uncertain or tentative grounds; “Scientists supposed that large dinosaurs lived in swamps”

george galloway likes sueing anybody that makes false allegations against him,i think the isreali goverment should turn the tables on george galloway and sue him for making these disgusting false allegations against them.

“I think the isreali goverment should turn the tables on george galloway and sue him for making these disgusting false allegations against them.”

Israel really has no reputation to lose after decades of tyranny and atrocities.

With all the best will in the world, no race can endure so many generations of hatred towards them, and not find a way to become stolid and un moved by the humanity of others. Galloway is not alone in thinking Israel will stop at nothing to realise and defend its interests. Media, politicians and governments are morally bankrupt, so many self serving individuals have been bought that we now ridicule those that try to expose this monumental travesty of true justice. The real Holocaust has been perpetrated on democracy, truth and justice since 1945. When the dust settles, history will remember this time, not for the great achievements of the west, but for the ideology that created it. The crusades were a folly, Israel was destroyed by the Romans in AD70, it will be again because it is impossible to remove the complete lack of empathy in its supporters. When you have finished criticising Galloway for his religion, his empathy and honesty, and stopped using an editing tool to remove context to suit your own self interest, can we get back to the real issue….for what other reason would the USA want to neutralise Syrian air defences if not to have a clear route to destroy Iranian nuclear assets?

24. Man on Clapham Omnibus

20. Refresh

Maybe the US should bomb the Saudis. Hold on! they are the ones with the oil aren’t they?

25. Man on Clapham Omnibus

13. Robin Levett

Quite apart from your beef with Galloway, if you distill his arguments they are these:-

That the Syrian forces had no strategic benefit in killing non-combatants.

That the use of poison gas would have invoked the kind of response it has ,together with the possibility of an American attack.

Conversely, and because of the above, it would be in the interests of rebel forces to carry out a gas attack.

Whoever provided the gas clearly wants Assad off the throne.

Pro US states such as the Saudis and Israel have the logistical means to have furnished the rebels with gas.

It is in Israel’s interest to weaken states such as Iraq and Syria.

Israel runs America’s middle east policy and has largely bought the US government.

26. Expressurself

Desperate measures sir. This has been heavily edited cut and pasted to raise sympathy for Israels horrendous Human Rights record and the speech the man with golden balls was “actually” giving. Bad luck…. Better luck next time.

Look at all these Tory trolls trying to pretend Galloway is a socialist or left-wing. Anyone who falls for your lies is going to conclude socialists are a bunch of hypocritical tin-foil-hat wearing self-serving wankers.

But then, that’s why you said it.

@9. Scarlet Standard Go back to Conservative Home where you belong. You’re not fooling anyone here.

Conservative Home?? I wouldnt piss on those Cameroon faced creeps if they ran out of Sloane Square on fire.I Mr Feeble mind am a socialist George is a socialist Diane Abbott is a socialist Jeremy Corbyn is a socialist you get my drift.Whereas the tired views of Sunni and frankly embarassing views of Hobson whoever he or she is are pandering only to the BBC and Sky warmongering liars in believing there was anything humanitarian about this planned bombing.I praised some Tory independent minded mps for their contributions leading to a vote for peace but despise the Tory high command who are even more odious than defeated Blairite creeps.

Look at the Tory troll squirm!

Theres only one troll on here but troll away on this insignificant little blog.The reality is Blairism is dead in the Labour Party and no amount of ignorant abuse can change that.Youve lost the argument but Scarlet Standard will be magnaminous and accept your apology though I wont return to this dull blog which in a week when a momentous debate took place thought that a few words spoken by the great man Mr Galloway was the main thing worth arguing about.Goodbye Mr Hobson troll stay happy!!

You fooled no-one. Giving up is probably the wisest move. Feel free to find a more significant blog (ConHome or Guido might be more your style – although I imagine they’re already on your favourites list).

27. Man on the clapham omnibus

The problem is they are all in it together. Prince Bandar will be given a wry grin and a knowing wink and ‘advised’ to use better agents on the ground!

Watch this space for an increase in atrocities.

Israel sue Galloway? I really wish they would.

The video is completely dishonest. The PressTV comments were made 3 months ago, not “last week”.
Galloway made the remarks amid the Israeli press seeing Israel as an “ally of the Syrian rebels”, when Israel was bombing the Syrian govt in aid of the rebels, when the UN’s Carla Del Ponte said that rebels used chemical weapons, not the Syrian government.
Absolutely nothing to do with the current attack as the video would suggest.

@ chris,if george galloway did not make these comments,why does he not sue sunny hundal,you moron,

Sunny, we understand from Nemeth the comments were made 3 months ago.

Is that correct, and if it is then please make this clear on this post.

It would be unfair to to you to end up being likened to Denis McShane for elasticity.

“Sunny, we understand from Nemeth the comments were made 3 months ago.”

Since when he has retracted?

37. Robin Levett

@MoCO #25:

Quite apart from your beef with Galloway, if you distill his arguments they are these:-

That the Syrian forces had no strategic benefit in killing non-combatants.

And he is wrong. The Assad regime has the same strategic benefit in killing non-combatants that any terrorist operation has; the Syrian regime rules by fear, not popularity.

That the use of poison gas would have invoked the kind of response it has ,together with the possibility of an American attack.

Assad has major power protection; neither Russia nor China has cut ties over the claims, and Russia is sending naval units to the Med to complicate any US intervention. Any actual intervention is likely to make the Middle East even messier than it already is, and not necessarily to the US’s advantage. Any US response would therefore be survivable, if it came at all; and even if it did come, it would make further US moves against Assad more difficult.

Conversely, and because of the above, it would be in the interests of rebel forces to carry out a gas attack.

But the above is wrong, so the argument doesn’t follow; and in any event – how?

Whoever provided the gas clearly wants Assad off the throne.

Or to seat him more firmly on it.

Pro US states such as the Saudis and Israel have the logistical means to have furnished the rebels with gas.

It is in Israel’s interest to weaken states such as Iraq and Syria.

The Syrian regime has the capability to have delivered the gas.

It is in Assad’s interest to weaken adherence to the rebel cause by fear.

It is not in Israel’s interest to put its head above the parapet by giving nerve gas to people who have no medium to long-term motivation to keep its involvement secret.

Israel runs America’s middle east policy and has largely bought the US government.

If there were credible evidence (as opposed to claims springing from paranoia and blind adherence to Arab autocratic regimes) that Israel had provided the nerve agent used, nerve agents would be used on Israel, which is a far better target. The idea that anyone in Syria could be trusted to keep secret Israel’s involvement to the extent necessary for continued Israeli security is a laughable one. Which would suggest that if Israel did supply the gas, then it would have done so under incredible pressure from the US – not vice versa.

I appreciate that you don’t believe a word of it, and you are only setting out Galloway’s argument, but I was aware of it before you started.

38. Robin Levett

@Jimmy #36:

“Sunny, we understand from Nemeth the comments were made 3 months ago.”

If that is the case, then they cannot possibly refer tot he gas used in the attack the week before last; so, Sunny, is this true?

Since when he has retracted?

Since the claim was that Gorgeous George was talking about the attack the week before last, it is irrelevant whether he maintains his view about what happened three months ago.

Link to the original video, dated May 10th http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmWNSp7Juf0
Relevant section starts at 22:30.

This video is edit and he didn’t say that. But I do believe that Israel did actually supply the gas anyway. Israel also special agents on Iranian boarder in Pakistan posing as American CIA agents recruiting terrorist groups (Jundullah)…so it will not be surprising to know Israel has supplied Chemical weapons to Al Queda.

George says it was his THEORY that Israel gave them the weapons and so his reply to the Parliamentary question that he CLAIMED Israel did it was answered correctly.

42. Robin Levett

@Roger #41:

George says it was his THEORY that Israel gave them the weapons and so his reply to the Parliamentary question that he CLAIMED Israel did it was answered correctly.

So Gorgeous George just put the idea out there as one possiblity amongst others, with no indication that he believed it himself, nor any suggestion that anyone else should?

37.

The Syrian regime has the capability to have delivered the gas.

What do you mean? The sarin gas packages in the Tokyo subway were delivered by hand.

@43. Ceiliog: “The sarin gas packages in the Tokyo subway were delivered by hand.”

Indeed, we have to work out the possibilities of how a gas canister becomes a chemical weapon.

The Tokyo gas attacks were ineffective (acknowledging 13 or so commuters who were murdered) because the toxic spray was sprayed into a wide space. The attackers wished to kill more people.

Consequently, when considering the death of 300 or 1,400 Syrian citizens, depending on different stories, one has to consider a different way of killing people. Evidently the Tokyo tube murder scenario would not have killed enough ‘wrong’ Syrians.

Former Bush administration official, Colonel Wilkerson: Israel may be behind use of chemical weapons in Syria

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/former-bush-administration-official-israel-may-be-behind-use-of-chemical-arms-in-syria.premium-1.519172”

44.
The point that I am making is that it does not require a missile or an aircraft or artillery to deliver.

47. Man on Clapham Omnibus

Following on from 45. pkoduah’s reference

Haaretz Reports: Retired U.S. Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, who once served as Secretary of State Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff, believes that the chemical weapons used in Syria may have been an Israeli “false flag” operation aimed at implicating Bashar Assad’s regime.

Wilkerson made his astounding assertion in an interview on Current TV, the network once owned by former Vice President Al Gore and recently purchased by Al-Jazeera.

Wilkerson said that the evidence that it was Assad’s regime that had used the chemical weapons was “flaky” and that it could very well have been the rebels or Israel who were the perpetrators. Asked why Israel would do such a thing, Wilkerson said: “I think we’ve got a basically geostrategically, geopolitical inept regime in Tel Aviv right now.”

“I think we saw really startling evidence of that,” Wilkerson continued, “in the fact that President Obama had to tell Bibi Netanyahu ‘Pick up the phone, you idiot, call Ankara and get yourself out of this strategic isolation you’re in right now.”

A “false flag” operation is a covert attack on foreign or domestic soil carried out by governments or organizations under a false identity, aimed at placing blame on the enemy. It originates with a ruse once used in naval warfare in which ships would hoist the enemy’s flags in order to infiltrate his ranks.

48. Robin Levett

@Ceiliog #46:

The point that I am making is that it does not require a missile or an aircraft or artillery to deliver.

And the point I am making (as is Charlieman, if I read him aright) is that the evidence – from witnesses, satellite surveillance and the pattern and extent of the spread of the gas casualties – is that the attack the week before last was delivered by rocket or artillery.

49. Man on Clapham Omnibus

48. Robin Levett

So where is the hard evidence regarding the delivery mechanism?
That is the clincher if it is available.

I thought he was a friend of the Arab people but no friend of the Arab people would schill for the tyrant Assad or celebrate the fact that a racist parliament has decided that Syrians are no better than badgers. He assured us that his opposition to the Iraq war did not entail support for the wretched Saddam and we believed him but after this who can believe him again. It is a huge shame because he has done so much to promote the righteous Palestinian cause and to represent hard-pressed UK minority communities made insecure by the Iraq war, the so-called War on Terror and by attempted fascist encirclement and Coalition austerity attacks but I cannot look past this.

48.
Dale Gavlak has reported that the toxic gas was stored for future use and escaped by accident.

“He assured us that his opposition to the Iraq war did not entail support for the wretched Saddam and we believed him”.

You may have believed him George, but I don’t suppose many others did. Actually, that’s pretty idiotic.

#52 Yeah but I’m guessing you supported the war on Iraq and don’t support an intervention in Syria. You don’t dislike Galloway for supporting Saddam you hate him for opposing Israel.

I would forgive Galloway right now if he came out unconditionally in support of the Syrian National Democratic Revolution against Assad and said while he may not support Obama’s limited intervention which will degrade Assad’s ability to crush that revolution he will not protest it and if he said the EU/US armbs embargo of the rebels should be lifted so they can defend themselves.

After that he can say to the Yanks: you’ve helped 4 million Syrian refugees to return home now what about the 5 million Palestinian refugees?

54. Robin Levett

@Ceiliog #51:

Dale Gavlak has reported that the toxic gas was stored for future use and escaped by accident.

If true, it accounts for one of the areas attacked. What about the others? They are many kilometres apart.

54.
It is hard to know what happened. The report in Mint Press News mentions a tunnel.

56. Robin Levett

@Cailiog #55:

It is hard to know what happened. The report in Mint Press News mentions a tunnel.

Which, if true, would localise the effects even more, since sarin is heavier than air. There were 6 main (and several less serious) clusters of casualties, kilometers apart. That is simply not a description of the effects of an accident in a tunnel.

@Robin Levett #38:

I understand that you claim that he is referring to an earlier incident, but I still don’t see how it makes the theory any less swivel eyed.

58. Robin Levett

@Jimmy #57:

Sunny has accused GG of dishonesty; that’s the issue.

59. Man on Clapham Omnibus

56. Robin Levett

The question comes down to the delivery mechanism. Is there evidence that this gas was fired as ordinance ? Its a simple yes or no answer. I would have thought pretty easy for the weapons inspectors to answer, which is why we should all wait for their report.

60. Robin Levett

@MoCO #59:

The question comes down to the delivery mechanism. Is there evidence that this gas was fired as ordinance ?

Well, if you can believe the newspapers (and to a lesser extent French intelligence and the experience of the Tokyo gassing) – yes.

61. Man on the Clapham Omnibus

60. Robin Levett

‘if’

I was looking for the kind of unqualified yes that justifies killing a load of people and giving an advantage to Al Qaeda.

62. Robin Levett

@MoCO #61:

I was looking for the kind of unqualified yes that justifies killing a load of people and giving an advantage to Al Qaeda.

You appear to have confused me with someone who supports intervention in Syria over the use of chemical weapons.

63. Paul Peter Smith

If pretending to be a cat and licking imaginary cream out of someone’s hand on national television didn’t hinder Galloway’s career prospects, why do you imagine some dodgy editing will?

There’s a level headed review of the arguments and facts, based on expert opinion, over here:
http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/chemical-weapons-specialists-on-claims.html

Note that the weapons inspectors may have a hard time proving that particular ordinance was used to deliver chemical weapon payloads. The simple fact that ordinance have been handled by unprotected people suggests that any residual agent has degraded to make it non-lethal. By their very nature, the chemicals used as weapons are highly reactive and short lived.

Further, the Syrian government did not co-operate with the inspectors and prevented a timely examination of the attack locations.

65. Man on Clapham Omnibus

62. Robin Levett

Apologies if that was the inference you took from the comment. There is nonetheless a lot of mayhem to be had between the balance of probabilities and beyond reasonable doubt as well you know.

66. Man on Clapham Omnibus

64. Charlieman

Thanks for that. Be nice to see satellite images of the attack which Kerry has cited as further evidence. Why would that material have to remain secret? After all we’ve all got a pretty good idea where the satellites are hidden!

@ Roger 41

“George says it was his THEORY that Israel gave them the weapons and so his reply to the Parliamentary question that he CLAIMED Israel did it was answered correctly.”

Are you saying that Galloway has a theory about Israel supplying chemical weapons but that he doesn’t actually believe that theory himself? Who holds personal theories that they don’t actually believe? It seems a bit odd…

If he decides to stand for Mayor Of London he’s going to get torn apart by the press with disingenuous crap like this oozing out of him.

@Robin Levett #58:

GG’s dishonesty in issue?

Well there’s a turn up for the books.

Amidst the sophistry his defenders have overlooked the fact that he denied not only the precise remarks but asserted that he had said “no such thing.” Seems pretty “such” to me.

69. Robin Levett

@Jimmy #68:

GG’s dishonesty in issue?

Well there’s a turn up for the books.

Amidst the sophistry his defenders have overlooked the fact that he denied not only the precise remarks but asserted that he had said “no such thing.” Seems pretty “such” to me.

I’ll type this slowly:

There have been two known attacks in Syria using chemical weaponry; one several months ago, and one on August 21.

GG has claimed that the chemical weapons used in an attack were supplied by Israel. The footage Sunny has supplied establishes this very clearly. Sunny has not dated the footage, despite requests in this thread. It is suggested that the footage dates back to the time of the earlier attack.

GG was accused in the Commons of having claimed that the chemical weapon used in the attack on 21 August 2013 was supplied by Israel. He stated that he had said no such thing. Sunnny says that the footage shows that he lied when he said that.

If the footage Sunny has supplied predates that attack, then it is quite clear that the footage does not support his claim that GG lied on this occasion.

So it is crucial to know when the footage dates from.

The fact that the claim itself is – odd – is irrelevant to whether it was made, as Sunny claims, in relation to the 21 August attack. The fact that GG is recorded as having made the claim in relation to the earlier attack is irrelevant to whether he has, as Sunny claims, made the claim in relation to the 21 August attack.

In fact, looking at the Press TV site, the show that the comments are taken from, Comment, is a weekly show. There were shows broadcast on 16 and 23 August 2013:

http://www.presstv.com/section/3510524.html

The video that Sunny relies on was published on Youtube on 21 August 2013:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPzvy808pr8

So I’m afraid that the evidence that Sunny has produced does not show that GG lied to the Commons as alleged.

And I’d have thought you’d realise that someone who refers to others as “Galloway apologists” and routinely refers to him as Gorgeous George holds no brief for the man.

I feel slightly guilty that you typed out at such length a response to a point I never made.

George Galloway clearly says “theory”, not the same as claiming it’s true. Small but important distinction, but however you feel about George Galloway, it was not a statement of fact supported by evidence… unlike the WMD claims made in support of… nuff said, you know the rest.

72. Robin Levett

@matt #71:

George Galloway clearly says “theory”, not the same as claiming it’s true

No; he says “my theory” – which implies he believes it’s true.

73. John Paterson

Hold on a moment, you said abuse would be deleted, have you read Jimmys post?

It would appear you only allow anti- Galloway comments.

Who is paying you ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LD956agi5U

At 7.11 on the video GG makes pretty clear that it was a theory that has now changed from isreal being the supplier of weapons to the saudis being the ones responsible.

Compared to the house Negro Sunny, George is a giant.

It’s my theory that Galloway is an antisemitic piece of shit.


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