Traditional Britain claim we are ‘smearing’ them


3:00 pm - August 8th 2013

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Traditional Britain have posted a statement in response to our story today.

Here it is:

The BBC Have contacted the Traditional Britain Group regarding the blog story on http://www.liberalconspiracy.org attacking and smearing us with selective quotes and comments from our Facebook page. The BBC have asked for a statement in response and the following was sent to them:

Obviously that blog is no friend of Toryism, Conservatism, or anything in those fields.

The TBG has no “links” with any far-right organisations. However we are aware that the BBC and other media outlets describe some overseas political parties which we take an interest in (and that is all) who are opposed to alien (to cite Enoch Powell) immigration into their countries as “far-right” although it is difficult to see the context as those parties have whole rafts of policies on all matters. They are not single-issue groups.

The TBG also is concerned with an entire range of issues. But we believe that exiting the EU and halting immigration are crucial to the survival of the British nation. One appreciates this upsets the liberal-left but we should be permitted to entertain our own opinions on these matters just as they are, without being smeared as “far-right”. It is clear that people across the political spectrums among the man-in-the-street are concerned about immigration. Certainly the Daily Mail also appears to be thinking along our lines.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, M.P., very kindly agreed to be our group’s guest-of-honour at this year’s annual dinner and he made an excellent speech on a range of issues. Only one person present asked about immigration levels etc and Mr Rees-Mogg gave an assimilationist response. Previous speakers at these dinners have included Simon Heffer, Francis Fulford, and Gerard Batten, M.E.P., whose wife is Asian. If we were the “far-right” organisation which these blogs and communist outfits like Searchlight magazine insist, would we have invited Mr & Mrs Batten to be our guests?

Politics is a dirty business to be sure. But we are a traditional conservative organisation concerned about the future of Britain and our nation. We encourage discussion on our Facebook Wall by sometimes provocative links to stories which have, however, already appeared in the media.

We are naturally disappointed that Mr Rees-Mogg has been frightened by these media smears and forced to disassociate himself from perfectly normal conservatives who actually support him. In the past 20 years the Conservative Party have lost two thirds of their members by abandoning Toryism. We are not prepared to do that.

We hope this answers your queries.

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“whose wife is Asian”…Awe, bless.

2. Mediastinum

I bet one of their best friends is black too!

Brilliant!!!

Best bit –

It is clear that people across the political spectrums among the man-in-the-street are concerned about immigration. Certainly the Daily Mail also appears to be thinking along our lines.

Tradtional tory values, radical modern grammar.

If anything comes out of this can it be no more will anyone be stupid enough to think stating their wife/husband/best friend/best shoes are black etc is a get out clause for racist comments or can hide behind ‘leftie website making trouble’. I mean it’s not like LC/Sunny has misquoted anyone anywhere.

It’s a shame that due to the party political nature, stories like this take, more enlightened conservatives will ignore it ensuring it becomes a case of just preaching to the converted rather than more enlightened politics.

To be fair, it’s not like LC doesn’t ever go about trying to smear groups or people it doesn’t like. It’s LC’s staple trash journalism.

‘The man in the street’. Sid Vicious was once asked if he thought of the man in the street when he made his records. He said, ‘no, I’ve met the man in the street, he’s a cunt’.

http://traditionalbritain.org/about

How is this a ‘selective quote’ and in what mind aren’t these polices so far right as to be intrinsically fascist?

Below, though ‘selective’ in the order they appear:
“We believe in Britain and the British people, their heritage and customs.” …one people?
“We believe in a sovereign self-governing Britain and withdrawal from the EU.” …one government?
“We believe in authority.” …one leader?

We’ve heard these words before, but not in English.

9. Foregone Conclusion

I think we can guess what ‘alien’ means in this context.

10. Allan Heron

Noticably lacking any denials about the main issues in your piece.

Lots of fluffy cover in the hope that no one will notice the absence of response?

Interesting update at the end of the Telegraph blog that carried Jacob Rees-Mogg’s statement:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timwigmore/100230211/jacob-rees-mogg-responds-to-alleged-far-right-links/

It seems like they are quickly trying to make their manifesto more … (oh, what’s that term?) … politically correct:

Update: The Traditional Britain Group seem to be in fire-fighting mode: they are already changing the manifesto. The reference to “race-relations legislation” has been replaced by “cultural-Marxist legislation”

I think it is totally charming, at not at all indicative of how out of touch they are, that they think citing Enoch Powell gives them a little credibility and intellectual heft.

I’ve never heard of these people. They must be a daft micro-group of some kind.
So why the fuss? Or do we just love a fuss?
Like that silly Stephen Fry did over gay people, Russia and the Olympics.

Why has “Traditional Britain” got a picture (5th in bottom row) of Ernst Jünger, a far right German author who glorified war, and hated democracy and Jews? He fought the British in both world wars. They’ve got him in German uniform, just to emphasise things.

15. Paul peter Smith

@14
It could be a naive homage to the ‘British’ royal family.

16. Know yur Bitters

@13.
The Traditional Britain Group replaced the Conservative Democratic Alliance in 2008.
The ‘fuss’ is about their views on Doreen Lawrence’s peerage.

These peeps are lower than peeps who are lower than vermin. Cheers for a good laugh Mosleyites”

Tyler, well said

7′ quoting Sid vicious as a reference,is hardly a strong defence,

19. Know yur Bitters

@6.
Quoting what a group has published is not a smear.
@18.
What on Earth makes you think that Joey Manic has posted a defence?

20. Sheffpixie

There’s me thinking Roderick Spode was a fictional character!

21. stalins left toe

smearing people seems to be the be the new craze just lately in this country and the world,you dont like somebodys politacal views go ahead and shout them down with the racist and fascist tag,you dont like president assad go ahead and smear him as a mass murdering war criminal,you dont like putin go ahead and smear him as a secret kgb homophobe who wants murder his opponents on the streets of europe and london,oh yes,i have been smeared as a communist because i supported president obamas health care plan,see the thing is,smearing goes back to the basics of the playground,its just childish.

The highest principle of the British state is the right of big business to undercut the wages of peasants with foreign labour. Whenever it is questioned, the BBC will find a bunch of right wing loonies to make it look reasonable.

You would have to be a complete imbecile not to see through that.

@11 I seem to remember the phrase “cultural Marxist” being used by a certain Norwegian mass murderer who was apparently inspired by British fascist groups.

23. Yes, I remember that too. I really is a dog-whistle for the far right. Similarly I saw a commenter on the Telegraph blogs using the “fourteen words” (except replacing “White” with “English” as if that made it any less obvious). It makes it pretty clear who is defending this group and precisely why Rees-Mogg is quickly trying to distance himself from them.

21. “president assad go ahead and smear him as a mass murdering war criminal”

Umm, he is a mass murderer, that really isn’t a smear. Or do you think 80,000+ Syrians just went on holiday. (Or more to the point, do you think they are all in this country illegally?)

Got to the love the “whose wife is Asian” line; you can almost hear their flabby jowls flapping with indignation from hear. However, surely its like saying “he can’t possibly be a misogynist, he’s married to a woman”? Or a wife beater saying “some of my best friends are women” as a defence?

I like that TB think that as “the Daily Mail also appears to be thinking along our lines” this means that they aren’t far-right!
Previous guest-speakers included an odious right-wing journalist, an aristocrat and a UKIP politician; just your regular conservative organisation representing ordinary people then.

26. Robin Thorpe

Do they have to represent anybody except themselves? I think its the ideas that need challenging not the people.
Enoch Powell’s views were based on his own observation of the conflict between different groups.
Something one might wish to consider in relation to the current conflicts in the middle east.
You may find this article of interest not so much for its depth but merely for its existence.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/life/high-life/8922261/high-life-enoch-powell-was-a-prophet/

27.
It’s the TBG that wants to think that they are representing others such as ‘man in the street’ and the Daily Mail.
I presume that your link goes to Taki(ng) the Piss.

29. Differently Sane

@gubulgaria – agreed!

Surely it’s a well established fact that if the Daily Mail agrees with you, something is very, very wrong.

30. Paul peter Smith

@24
These 80,000 Syrians that ‘went away’, does that include the 60,000 Christians that fled Homs (if they were lucky) to escape their Islamist liberators?

Sounds like the BNP for people with a double-barrelled name.

32. Simon Jenkins

You cultural Marxists who don’t bat an eyelid when the UK Border force is called racist by the Equalities & Human Rights Commission are simply brainwashed.

This ideology is cultural Marxism, a position which cannot be sustained by its believers and usually when pressed the believers of cultural Marxism have only one course of action which is to argue that their opponents are not good people by using double standards i.e. metrics which could be applied to anyone. A cultural Marxist will state:

– That there are no biological differences between groups (even when there is scientific proof of differences between groups, except where is suits them e.g. males and females are equal, but only males can be criticised not females
– Double standards with regards to different groups e.g. only white history is evil with slavery (when all cultures had slavery & wars), only white people can be racist, police & BBC covering up Muslim paedophilia, Steven Lawrence being turned into a household name when Charlene Downes a white child murdered by grooming Muslims, which was covered up by the authorities, the defendants were found not-guilty, the white family campaigned for justice and Charlene is hardly known to anyone.
– All people are entitled to a homeland except for white European peoples, and anyone who argues that they are entitled to a homeland is evil (unless they are in a non-white country like Tibet)
– Equality is the most important political aim, even if it were to bring about total collapse
– Western cultures and only Western cultures need to be subverted e.g. gay marriage is good for Christianity not for Islam
– White people are evil if they are ‘illiberal’ but non-whites e.g. Muslims are justified if they are ‘illeberal’
– It’s not good to offend anyone except for people who don’t believe in cultural marxism like nationalists, whom it is good for offend e.g. violence is justified against them by a government sponsored UAF.

In short, a high level of propaganda and brainwashing is required for anyone to hold these beliefs.

This brainwashing is present in many UK public institutions today as a result of 1960s thinking. Please refer to this quote about anti-white racism in the British Judiciary from the Traditional Britain Group:

http://www.traditionalbritain.org/content/judges-against-british-people-david-hamilton

If anything should arouse deep concern and protest it is the politicisation of the British judiciary and its opposition to the interests of the British people. Since the rise of the New left in the 1960s Judges routinely make political decisions not just political statements. This is why the Establishment is called an “Ideological Caste” united by central ideas like anti-White racism, bias for the EU and Globalism. They have not transcended prejudice and discrimination but changed the objects of their prejudice and discrimination from outsiders to their own people.

33. Hark the Perilled Plonker sings

@32.
You start off badly by accusing the EHRC of calling the UK Border ‘force’ racist and then go downhill along the usual tracks.
Using a sad case involving a youngster and saying that there has been a cover up was a tactic used by BNP candidates in the last General Election.
The rest of your post is just regurgitated twaddle from Jingo Jingo Land.

34. Simon Jenkins

Hark the Perilled Plonker sings –

No it is a fact, all peoples of the world are said to be entitled to a Homeland, but brainwashed cultural Marxists say that only white European people who want a Homeland are racist and fascist swine. Gay marriage for Christianity but not Islam – It’s a fact that its how the cultural Marxists think.

You just prefer to perpetuate your denial of the FACTS of your own double standard by just claiming your opponent is in La La Land, without facing the FACTS.

That is how the left operate, as a bunch of compulsive liars, and people with double standards who have to smear and can’t actually win an argument because they have no points except for a defeated failed ideology – Marxism.

35. Simon Jenkins

Hark the Perilled Plonker sings –

Also your attitude that the British Police / BBC / establishment cover up of Muslim Paedophilia for reasons of being afraid of being called ‘racist’ is a non issue just “because the BNP brought it up” really shows the level of debate of the left.

How can such a fact be a non issue? Are you really so brainwashed that you cannot discuss an actual fact. Try listening to yourself, you are just as brainwashed as the Trotskyites and UAF. You are presented a fact then… BNP… racist…fascist… Live a Vivan from the Young ones paddy style “FASCIST”, in true 1960s indoctrination style. Your ilk really badly need to take a look in the mirror, or at least try to open your minds to the other side of the debate. Its not that hard!

36. Simon Jenkins

Hark the Perilled Plonker sings –

Your argument that the British establishment covering up Muslim paedophilia for 10 years for fear of being called racist is a non issue “because the BNP said it” is just disgraceful, and is a true reflection of the morality and value left in the political left and cultural Marxists.

Hark – The Muslim Paedo cover up, youre saying it didn’t happen just because the BNP wrote about it?

38. John Hart II

Britain is turning out to be a collection of “Mr Magoo” type characters. becoming a laughing stock.

39. John Hart II

Yes Pete, I think theyre in denial lol

40. Hark the Perilled Plonker sings

@34, 35, 36
Your misreading of what I posted is another typical tactic of the BNP.
Read what I posted and note that there is nothing to be read between the lines, before the lines or after the lines.

The case to which to refer was reported in the Guardian by Julie Bindel.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/may/30/ukcrime.childprotection

Gregory Lauder-Frost the VP of Traditional Britain is a former member of the BNP

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1997/civil-liberty-or-just-old-fashioned-anti-semitism

That would seem like something of a link to the far-right.

Hark – its not just one case it’s thousands of cases where the mentally ill British establishment informed paedophilia from Muslims for fear of being called racist.

Police turned a blind eye to sex grooming gangs for more than a decade, confidential files reveal
Documents reveal scale of sexual exploitation of girls in South Yorkshire
Vulnerable white girl, known to have been abused from the age of 12, was offered Urdu and Punjabi lessons by Rotherham Council to ‘educate her’
Papers reveal catalogue of alleged crimes which have not been prosecuted
Rotherham MP Denis MacShane: ‘We need clear leadership from government to eradicate this evil’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207756/Police-turned-blind-eye-South-Yorkshire-sex-grooming-gangs-decade.html

Zenigata – this is the standard on argument from the left: a is / was associated b. without dealing with any actual issues facts. It’s just cheap smearing while bypassing all the actual facts.

If i go to a st Georges Day fete (most are normally hosted by BNP or EDL)Does that make me a racist? If it does, then what does that make the people who went to the black power meetings from 70’s onwards?
The freedom of having an opinion is now being dictated by the race issue, which indicates that one group of people are trying to control the thoughts/freedom of another( now, what do they call that?).
In my life, i can remember, Great Britain becoming the United Kingdom, I was born English but now i am British, i have seen forced integration turn housing estates into battle grounds and slums, i have lost my freedom of speech, i have seen friends bullied out of jobs to make way for foreign workers, school children having to change their normal routines to accommodate different religions.
Many people have strong opinions about the last few decades but the race card rears its ugly head and suppresses the voice of the common man/women.

Lovely comment by Barney. How could the TBG display a photo of a German author who found against Britain in the Second World War and bla bla bla Jews bla Jews bla.

I happen to like Friedrich Nietzsche. Should I be prejudiced against him because he was an influence behind national socialist Germany? It’s a bit like the “British establishment cover up of Muslim grooming is a non issue / can’t be true because the BNP said it” I.e. pure ignorance and head burying in the sand Guardian style.

@45. Dennis
Why didn’t you take time to read the link that Barney provided?
Don’t you recognise a link when it is on screen?
If you had followed the link you’ll have noticed that Jünger was never a member of Germany’s Nat Soc movement and he refused a seat on the Reichstag.
Jünger was on the fringes of the Stauffenberg bomb plot. He was clearly an inspiration to anti-Nazi conservatives in the German Army, and while in Paris he was close to the old, mostly Prussian, officers who carried out the assassination attempt against Hitler. He was only peripherally involved in the events however, and in the aftermath suffered only dismissal from the army in the summer of 1944, rather than execution.

Ernst Jünger was a friend of Martin Heidegger and
* Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could drink you under the table.
Heidegger wrote about Nietsche and Kant.
* There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach yer ’bout the raising of the wrist
and
* Emmanuel Kant who was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable.

* I grateful to Neil Innes for those wise words.

@46 popple

‘I grateful Neil Innes…’

Did you check with I’m before you fucked his great song up?

“Certainly the Daily Mail also appears to be thinking along our lines.”

Well I think that settles it don’t you?

Update: The Traditional Britain Group seem to be in fire-fighting mode: they are already changing the manifesto. The reference to “race-relations legislation” has been replaced by “cultural-Marxist legislation”

The New Statesman published a revealing article about the anti-Semitic origins of the “cultural Marxism” slur:

Link: http://www.newstatesman.com/uk-politics/2012/04/who-are-breivik%E2%80%99s-fellow-travellers

Extract:

The “cultural Marxism” that Breivik blamed for Europe’s Muslim takeover is a conspiracy theory that was born in the US. It contends that a small group of Marxist philosophers associated with the Frankfurt school of critical theory plotted to destroy western civilisation by encouraging multiculturalism, homosexuality and collectivist economic ideas.

Although many don’t realise it today, the theory is anti-Semitic in origin and its early proponents emphasised that these philosophers were all Jewish. Breivik’s lengthy “manifesto” devotes an entire section to profiling Theodor Adorno, Herbert Marcuse and other Frankfurt school thinkers.

A threat to ethnic purity; betrayal by corrupt elites; the presence of a foreign invader – these are familiar themes for the far right.

Jai – The Frankfurt School is not a conspiracy theory. It practically and literally exists even today as the University of Frankfurt, (Institute of Social Research Institut für Sozialforschung) in Frankfurt am Main which was started around 1920. Mountains of books have been written about it including The Frankfurt School: Its History, Theory and Political Significance
Rolf Wiggershaus, and its authors have formed some of the major players in social sciences in the universities like Theodore Adorno, Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse, Carl Grünberg, Walter Benjamin, Erich Fromm, Otto Kirchheimer, Leo Löwenthal, Franz Neumann, and Friedrich Pollock.

The vast majority of the Frankfurt School were Jewish. You can simply do some cursory research of the names if you don’t believe this.

The fact that some people want to call facts a conspiracy theory just shows their own ignorance and unwillingness or inability to establish true facts over severe indoctrination they have had all their lives.

Saying that Anders Breivik referred to the institution as some type of typical left wing come back smear without addressing any issues (fairly typical of brainwashed people) is just the same as saying Muslims but all be bad because some have planed bombs, but off course the cultural Marxist / left brainwashed double standards apply here like anywhere else. I think it would be a good idea for people to stop being in denial of facts.

51. Charles S.

This doesn’t exist that’s a conspiracy etc. etc. according to what? According to your state/ corporate sponsored media!

These people are like mind controlled zombies, fed misinformation from government propaganda agencies through the mass media. They are unable to think for themselves. Even when the evidence tells them that 9/11 was a government plot, 6 million Jews were not killed in Germany (they have been brainwashed that this is absolutely true and to never even question this), that they have a spirit, that there is a God, that there is no such thing as equality, that one group is superior to another, that its OK to think, that they don’t need to consume to be happy etc. etc. they will not believe it because they cannot think for themselves. They can only conform to a group who have been zombified. Even if you show them true information, and they know it, they still will revert to the brainwashing to conform.

Wow, when the nutters descend they do so in force! If only any of their so called facts – sorry, ‘FACTS!!!’ – had any actual basis in reality then there might be something to debate – but they don’t, so there isn’t. But I’ll have a little go anyway.

The whole thing about ‘Muslim paedos’ is ridiculous. Yes, there are paedophiles who are Muslims. There are also paedophiles of every other creed and colour. There is no evidence of any kind of cover up. The conspiracy only exists in the imaginations of Islamophobes who see these things everywhere because of their prejudices. The issue *was* covered in the media, it just wasn’t sensationalised quite to the satisfaction of Islamophobes. That’s all.

How about some actual facts: If political correctness prevents the police from arresting Muslim criminals then why are there so many Muslims in prison? 13.1% of the prison population is Muslim compared to only about 4% of the general population (www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn04334.pdf?). Of course, racists will see these stats and conclude ‘oh, well that just goes to show that Muslims are more criminal than Christians’ – which is wrong because criminality correlates with socio-economic conditions far more than racial or religious ones – but it’s pretty difficult to look at those stats and conclude that the police lay off Muslims for fear of offending them. Impossible, in fact, unless you are incredibly stupid.

If you’re dumb enough to believe that Marcuse et al. have any real political significance beyond university humanities departments then you really are pitiable. Blaming all the world’s problems on a handful of Marxist cultural studies professors really sums it all up. It’s so far off the mark that it’s impossible to satirise – it’s already completely ridiculous. I can hardly believe that people think that Cultural Marxism is actually a thing.

How do you people even tie your own shoelaces and breathe at the same time? And with those knuckles so scarred and scuffed up! It’s amazing.

I can hardly believe that people think that Cultural Marxism is actually a thing.

Well, quite. It is worth point out that the Islamo-Marxist ‘grouping’ that Cultural Marxists and Muslims represent is not dissimilar to the previous ‘Jewish Bolshevism’ that was a popular conspiracy theory in the 1920s onward.

History never repeats itself, but it does rhyme – as the saying goes.

@32

“You cultural Marxists who don’t bat an eyelid when the UK Border force is called racist by the Equalities & Human Rights Commission are simply brainwashed”.

You’re a self parody.

By the way, what is this “cultural Marxism” of which you speak – aside from a concocted fermented in a paranoid mind?

@32

“You cultural Marxists who don’t bat an eyelid when the UK Border force is called racist by the Equalities & Human Rights Commission are simply brainwashed”.

You’re a self parody.

By the way, what is this “cultural Marxism” of which you speak – aside from being a concoction fermented in a paranoid mind?

Philip –

The comment did not go into trying to assign numbers of proportions to the number of Muslim paedos. The comment was about the political correctness of white British people, and the way ordinary people would go about covering it up because they are brainwashing into thinking its racist to bring up. See links below.

http://enzaferreri.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/never-say-muslim-paedophile-on-bbc.html#axzz2cKbIJTJk

Buddyhell – CulturalMarxism is a form of Marxist propaganda that is designed to subvert Western Culture. It tends to be used to say that Western race, nation, the family and Christianity is bad, and all other races, nations, sexual orientation and religions are good. e.g. evil white slavery nations (but all non white countries history is good), Africa is only behind Europe because of European colonization when they have been behind Europe for 10,000 years way before colonization and when the white man left African countries like Zimbabwe and Zambia, they fell apart. Or gay marriage is good for Christianity but not Islam, Christians are bigots for X,Z and Y, but Jews or Islamics are NOT bigots for the same things. Having a homeland is good for Israelis, Tibetans and Africans but not good for white Europeans because that is racist.

Cultural Marxism is also political correctness, a type of retarded brainwashing that makes people conform to everyone else as opposed to thinking.

You are all hypocrite cultural Marxists. You want to bring your children up in nice white liberal villages and preach your equality doctrine and how diversity is good, but you don’t want to have your own family in East London or ethnic areas of Birmingham. When you are in this situation you flee. It’s called white flight. Your actions do this but your lies prevent you from admitting that like any peoples you don’t want to have your own community destroyed and taken over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBytZO5ZoQ8

Liars.

@57

“Buddyhell – CulturalMarxism is a form of Marxist propaganda that is designed to subvert Western Culture. It tends to be used to say that Western race, nation, the family and Christianity is bad, and all other races, nations, sexual orientation and religions are good. e.g. evil white slavery nations (but all non white countries history is good)”.

Stop right there! That’s just paranoid drivel. It’s William S Lind bullshit.The phrase “cultural Marxism” isn’t even used by Marxists themselves and when you’re pressed to provide examples all you can do is spout a load of paranoid nonsense.

A simple Google of the phrase reveals that it is only used by the extreme right.
https://www.google.co.uk/#bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=e1624d921e4bdb10&q=cultural+marxism

At the end you add:
“Cultural Marxism is also political correctness, a type of retarded brainwashing that makes people conform to everyone else as opposed to thinking”.

The term “political correctness” is used as pejorative to discredit anyone who works towards tolerance and equality. It tends to be employed as a conversation killer by the kind of people who want to see a revival of ‘The Black and White Minstrel Show’. Then one or two of you will use the phrase “Frankfurt School” without actually having read any Adorno, Habermas or Benjamin.

But it’s your use of the word “retarded” that tells me all I need to know about you.

@58

Cheers for the rant, wft does it mean?

Nothing.

So you are in denial of the many double standards I highlighted. Do you deny that we say that our history is evil and African history is good,
Or that Tibettans and black Aficans can have a homeland but our white European people cannot according to consensus, that gay marriage is considered good for Christianity but not for Islam, that biological differences are counted as true if they are against white/ male but false if they are pro white/ male etc.

Stick to the point and stop waffling about terminilogy and “far-right” group stigmas.

Are these double standards in place or not?

Please debate on the facts as opposed to sidetracking on social prejudices like so called “horrible far right”, etc.

Do you deny that we say that our history is evil and African history is good,

Eh?

And what’s this ‘we’ business all about, if you Dennis say that ‘our’ history is evil and African History is good then you say so, lets not pretend that your personal opinion counts for everyone though eh.

Cylus – we refers to the British establishment, civil service, mass media, education system, views ordinarily expressed in public. These views are the ordinary views that people feel they are supposed to espouse and when someone challenges these views the believers (given that they are faith based views not fact based) feel the need to react and make accusations like bigot, fr-right, racist etc. even when a statement mirrors their own true views and behaviour. It’s a kind of identity crisis / ideology crisia or crisis of the soul. The “far-right” is just saying what most people are really thinking outside of this facade. And you the reader are also thinking it, but it is in contradiction with your synthetic liberal dogma, hence the duality of views.

we refers to the British establishment

Does that also include Michael Gove? I imagine he will be quite interested to learn that he regards English history as evil and African history as good.

65. Charlieman

@63. Dennis: “And you the reader are also thinking it, but it is in contradiction with your synthetic liberal dogma…”

Our “synthetic liberal dogma” has been tested for at least 160 years, taking the essays of J S Mill as a starting position for modern liberalism. Add on another 60 years to include Edmund Burke for his thoughts on tyranny, and a few more years to capture Voltaire.

Liberalism has staying power because it is authentic. Whilst liberal political parties are rarely “in power”, liberalism defines how people live their lives in modern democracies.

66. Paul peter Smith

@59 Buddyhell
Cultural Marxism IS only really discussed by the Right but then its really only PRACTISED by the Left, so it evens out.

Charlieman – 150 years is the blink of an eye in human history. Liberalism assumes that everyone is capable, intelligent and responsible because it wants to put the human being at the centre of everything. But its not working. Look for instance at the mess that the benefits system has created making a whole section of the population believe that they are entitled to things with no effort, and they just sit around degenerating this bringing on a whole new range of problems: gangs, knifes, drugs, alcoholism, opportunist crime etc. Under a sensible non-liberal regime these people would be put to work and then they would feel a sense of self worth (but that’s against their human rights, right?) Now everything is challenged with sexist! racist! homophobic! elitist!. It is impossible for any return to sensible order with such values. The only way forward for leaders in this situation is to increase the debasement of society by brining in wage earners from overseas to do the jobs they pay people not to do, and thus ripping any sense of identity left in the culture out, like ripping the heart out, then they need to rip the brain out to stop people questioning this, people like the Traditional Britain Group. Completely Insane.

@66

“Cultural Marxism IS only really discussed by the Right but then its really only PRACTISED by the Left, so it evens out”.

I’m trying hard to contain my laughter here. Cultural Marxism is a figment of the Right’s fevered imagination.

@61

“So you are in denial of the many double standards I highlighted. Do you deny that we say that our history is evil and African history is good,
Or that Tibettans and black Aficans can have a homeland but our white European people cannot according to consensus, that gay marriage is considered good for Christianity but not for Islam, that biological differences are counted as true if they are against white/ male but false if they are pro white/ male etc”.

What “double standards” you paranoid fool? You people are obsessed with this notion of ‘homelands’.

Your reply is all over the shop – as they say.

I’m trying hard to contain my laughter here. Cultural Marxism is a figment of the Right’s fevered imagination.

La Wik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

Buddyhell – Seriously, how can you fail to notice the double standards, and its far more than just about homeland.

Christians are bigots if they don’t like gay marriage, or anything untraditional e.g. having children out of wedlock but Jews & Muslims are justified in wanting their traditional way. Is this not a double standard? Do you fail to see the obvious double standard here, or do you just prefer to overlook it because it suits your political agenda?

Africa had lots of tribal fighting in the past, slavery, ownership of people etc. etc. but in our society we consider our history to be evil e.g. white slave owners, oppression of blacks, colonization, but Africa’s history to be good. Is this not a double standard? Do you fail to see the obvious double standard here, or do you just prefer to overlook it because it suits your political agenda?

Richard Lynn has proven that there are racial differences between groups in terms of factors such as intelligence and crime. Yet if you say that black people commit more crime and have lower IQ’s on average, that’s considered racist, but if you say something negative about white people, its considered good. e.g. historically evil slave owners, oppressive Western culture culprits, some 60s speakers: “kill all white babies”. Is this not a double standard? Do you fail to see the obvious double standard here, or do you just prefer to overlook it because it suits your political agenda?

Why is freedom considered good, but any freedom to express anything that is not cultural Marxist, and if you don’t believe in cultural Marxism against the dogma that you can criticize white, male, western, middle class, Christian, pro-family, European nationalist but at the same time you cannot criticize and must hail black, female, non-Western, underclass, Muslim, gay, African Nationalist (e.g. ANC, Nelson Mandella etc.). Is this not a double standard? Do you fail to see the obvious double standard here, or do you just prefer to overlook it because it suits your political agenda?

@ 70

Thanks for the Wikipedia entry, that still doesn’t make it true. Only right-wingers use the phrase “cultural Marxism” as a pejorative and a means to hijack discourse. Those of you who spout such nonsense can only resort to desperate Googling and posting rubbish from right-wing sites.

@71

You’re still spouting paranoid rubbish.

But this is the worst of it:
“Richard Lynn has proven that there are racial differences between groups in terms of factors such as intelligence and crime”.

Pure, unabashed racist bullshit.

I’ll ignore the rest of your screed.

Buddyhell – “Pure, unabashed racist bullshit. I’ll ignore the rest of your screed.”

You have just proven my point for me. I have just stated some simple facts, stating some double standards and stated that an author stated something.

You are a cultural Marxist, you cannot deal with those facts, so your way of avoiding recoiling into a little ball and rocking back and fourth because your ideology has been challenged is to use a label buzz word like “racist”, and then not to debate just smearing your opponent rather than debating on the facts.

Thanks for the Wikipedia entry, that still doesn’t make it true.

It doesn’t make what true?

@73

“I have just stated some simple facts”

You’re entitled to your opinions but not the facts. Get over yourself.

“You are a cultural Marxist”.

And you’re an apologist for racism. Be off with you.

76. Man on Clapham Omnibus

73. Dennis

The only individuals who use the oxymoron ‘Cultural Marxist’ are morons I’m afraid. The notion of Marxism is that it uses the scientific method in understanding Capitalism. Cultural aspects together with ideological and political features of a capitalist society may be inferred but never deterministically derived from the economic base.

If you want to use this kind of term then I would suggest a meager consideration of the same would cause you to include conservatives liberals fascists socialists etc because under Marx these groups are all ‘produced’ by the economic base.(Thats a very crude summary but there’s more if you want it)

@74

“It doesn’t make what true”?

Duh. Do I need to draw you picture?

You really think that a Wikipedia entry, which can be edited by *anyone*, is a source of credible evidence? You really need to try much harder. 😀

The biggest mistake you made was to cite Richard Lynn.You may just as well have cite David Irving as an eminent World War II historian… which he isn’t.

buddyhell – “Richard Lynn is racist” “David Irving is not an eminent historian”

Richard Lynn simply used statistical analysis. Do you really believe that every group in the world is exactly the same??? Do you really believe this. This is preposterous. Completely ridiculous. How can every group/ race/ gender/ nationality be exactly the same? But if someone does a study and quantifies the outcome, you say its total rubbish. Why because you don’t like the outcome.

To you, a distorter of information, the cultural Marxist, what is of your ideology, your flavor, what suits your taste is true and that which does not suit your taste is patently false.

How can David Irving not be an eminent historian when he has written dozens of books and collected evidence from documents over 20 years. Again, you just do not like the outcome, so he is patently wrong. I am not a professional historian so I will leave the experts to their views, but David Irving is certainly an expert.

To the cultural Marxist there is no truth. There is only dogma. Actual truth has is wrong if it contradicts the dogma.

Duh. Do I need to draw you picture?

The Wikipedia page that I linked to is an article, not a theorem or logical proposition. You can say that it isn’t true over and over if you so wish, but that doesn’t imbue it with any more sense than at the first iteration.

Taken as factual claims, presumably you are not disputing the existence of Gramsci or Adorno or whoever. The same goes, I would have thought, for the nature of their work.

So what are you disputing?

Christians are bigots if they don’t like gay marriage, or anything untraditional e.g. having children out of wedlock but Jews & Muslims are justified in wanting their traditional way.

This statement kind of implies that gay marriage isn’t something that Muslims and Jews have to deal with too.

Cylux. No I am talking according to the cultural Marxist liberal conspiracy, Our politicians, education system, mass media, civil servants, cultural marxist citizens etc. want to push gay marriage into Churches not Mosques. They want to point fingers at Christians who want tradition NOT Muslims or Jews who don’t accept this. Saying they have to deal with it is NOT the point!!!

@Buddyhell
It’s worth interjecting here that there’s 2 ‘Cultural Marxisms’ at play, there’s the cultural Marxism which is basically taking a Marxist approach to analysing unequal social relations, very interesting lecture hall fodder, but otherwise not all that exciting, a bit like gamification really.

Then there’s the cultural Marxism which is some sort of overarching plot with not terribly clear goals to achieve something or other by specifically silencing white Christian men, by the not very effective process of calling them names based upon what they say, and bigging up Black African transwomen lesbian Muslim low-cut-full-body-burkini wearers. There’s probably the Illuminati in there somewhere too, as well as the freemasons, there usually is.

Unfortunately the existence of the first kind convinces people of the existence of the second. Because they have the same name. Easy mistake to make really. What with conspiratorial thinking being popular
http://overthrowingilluminati.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/how-to-overthrow-the-illuminati/

83. Charlieman

@67. Dennis: “150 years is the blink of an eye in human history.”

During which blink, human creativity, wealth and possibility has developed beyond the comprehension of J S Mill and other philosophers. Liberalism is not incidental to that progress.

Charlieman – Sure liberalism gave ordinary people power and a share of the resources so it enabled a lot of things.

To use an oven as an analogy, for the first 40 mins an oven bakes a cake, and after that it burns the cake and destroys it if you don’t switch it off. What is liberalism doing now…racial suicide for us white Europeans, making our countries head to turn into other continents, and could well result in an Islamic Europe is left unchecked. Liberalism is now like a fascism that silences and threatens people whose views it does not agree with e.g. people who correctly say that biological differences between groups DO exist, white European people have a right to a homeland, double standards and contradictions are the language of the state now, etc. etc.

@79

Truly desperate stuff. You think a Wikipedia article is peer-reviewed in an academic sense? I really, truly feel sorry for you.

“Cultural Marxism” exists to keep the fear of ‘communism’ alive. Still looking for reds under the bed, dude?

@82

No, what you’re referring to is “cultural theory”. “Cultural Marxism” is a concoction created to make the extreme-right feel good about themselves and to continue to make the claim that we’re in danger from a ‘communist takeover’. The people who use the phrase “cultural Marxism” are unreconstructed Cold Warriors, many of whom never grew up during the Cold War.

@78

Still clutching at straws, Dennis?

“Richard Lynn simply used statistical analysis. Do you really believe that every group in the world is exactly the same??? Do you really believe this. This is preposterous. Completely ridiculous. How can every group/ race/ gender/ nationality be exactly the same? But if someone does a study and quantifies the outcome, you say its total rubbish. Why because you don’t like the outcome”.

Statistics are the sophist’s best friend. You seem to be labouring under the assumption that because Lynn is an emeritus professor that his beliefs are unassailable truths and are above criticism. You poor fool.

As an unrecontructed Cold Warrior and racist)you are unlikely to read this.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/07/29/the-lie-behind-%E2%80%9Ccultural-marxism%E2%80%9D-and-a-message-to-foolish-republican-nativists/

“To you, a distorter of information, the cultural Marxist, what is of your ideology, your flavor, what suits your taste is true and that which does not suit your taste is patently false”.

Laughable paranoid guff. Then you top that but defending David Irving and his patent lack of academic credentials. I can’t wait to read your next instalment.

@81

So you’re not a right-wing conspiranoid? That’s not what this tells me.

“No I am talking according to the cultural Marxist liberal conspiracy, Our politicians, education system, mass media, civil servants, cultural marxist citizens etc. want to push gay marriage into Churches not Mosques. They want to point fingers at Christians who want tradition NOT Muslims or Jews who don’t accept this. Saying they have to deal with it is NOT the point”.

You don’t even bother to produce a coherent defence of your questionable views. LOL

@79

“Taken as factual claims, presumably you are not disputing the existence of Gramsci or Adorno or whoever. The same goes, I would have thought, for the nature of their work”.

Have you ever read any Gramsci or Adorno or do you recoil in horror at the very sight of a dust jacket that bears their names? You’re still persisting with this notion that you have exclusive right to the facts. What arrogance.

Do you understand what the word “theory” means? Or do I need to draw you picture for that too? 😀

@84

“To use an oven as an analogy, for the first 40 mins an oven bakes a cake, and after that it burns the cake and destroys it if you don’t switch it off”.

Jeez, you’re full of these ridiculous homespun ‘philosophical’ nuggets aren’t you?

I bet you’ve never read any Evola either.

@78

“To the cultural Marxist there is no truth. There is only dogma. Actual truth has is wrong if it contradicts the dogma”

To the paranoid conspiracy fantasist, truth is either a chimera or a collection of random ‘factoids’ that are joined together in a ‘painting by numbers’ fashion. These factoids have no relation to history or the lived experience. Furthermore, there is no self-reflexivity exercised on the part of the paranoid fantasist, who simply believes people who don’t share the same skin colour are out to get him, his job, his wife and his ‘people’.

Truly desperate stuff. You think a Wikipedia article is peer-reviewed in an academic sense? I really, truly feel sorry for you.

It is rather odd, it has to be said, to replied to in this manner.

I do not think a Wikipedia page is peer-reviewed, in either an academic or any other sense (whatever that might entail). Since I never wrote anything of the sort, I have no idea why you should think otherwise. Did you actually read my comment?

“Grass is green” can be taken to be a factual claim about which we can assign a truth value. Since we know that grass is indeed green, we can see that the statement is true.

The Wikipedia article to which I linked contains many such statements. Do you wish to argue that they are all false? It seems obvious that they are not, so it’s hard to see how such an argument could go through.

“Cultural Marxism” exists to keep the fear of ‘communism’ alive. Still looking for reds under the bed, dude?

Cultural Marxism is a name given by some people to a particular phenomenon: that of Marxist theory addressing the “superstructure” rather than the “base”, which was its traditional focus. If another group of people refer to it by a different name (cultural theory, say), that does not disprove the existence of said phenomenon. In fact it is evidence (in support of the hypothesis) that it does exist.

This in itself is so obvious that your argument, so far as I can make it out, appears to be one of epic and egregious silliness, which is presumably why you are resorting to such transparent attempts to change the subject rather than answer the simple question of what it is about the Wikipedia page that is so wrong.

Buddy hell – you “come backs” as I will call them, because that is what they are have no substance and are just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing which tends to be the let’s way of arguing with the right (as well as using label words, social prejudice and smears).

You refer to my home spun philosophy – so thinking for myself is a bad thing and I should avoid this and revert to a script instead?

You refer to a paranoid fantasy that people of a different skin colour are out to get me – when I attributed cultural Marxism mostly to white left wing or establishment ilk and middle class, and I do not believe that skin colour had any relevance. A white person can get a suntan. Race and culture are the defining factors not skin colour.

You keep on inferring that anyone who disagrees with you has never read a book cover to covet as its inconceivable to you that educated people disagree with the equality and diversity doctrines, probably due to the bias in the education system.

@92

Get over yourself. If one of my students cited Wikipedia as a source, I’d tell them to go away and find something more credible. What you’re seeking a confirmation of your biases and it’s as transparent as hell.

But this drivel that you’ve typed really takes the biscuit.

“Cultural Marxism is a name given by some people to a particular phenomenon: that of Marxist theory addressing the “superstructure” rather than the “base”, which was its traditional focus. If another group of people refer to it by a different name (cultural theory, say), that does not disprove the existence of said phenomenon. In fact it is evidence (in support of the hypothesis) that it does exist”.

Try as you might, you still labour under the delusion that “cultural Marxism” is a valid concept. But what’s truly laughable is the way you start moving the goalposts. You’re really some piece of work, vim.

“This in itself is so obvious that your argument, so far as I can make it out, appears to be one of epic and egregious silliness, which is presumably why you are resorting to such transparent attempts to change the subject rather than answer the simple question of what it is about the Wikipedia page that is so wrong”.

Not only are you projecting, you’re repeating your claim that the Wikipedia entry offers unassailable proof to support your threadbare thesis. And you wonder why we take the piss out the Right for its faulty logic?

@93

I can see you’re unable to produce a coherent response to my points, which is fairly typical of the Right and reveals not only a wilful ignorance on your part but blatant anti-intellectualism.

The concept of ‘cultural Marxism’ is essentially anti-intellectual. I guess where folk like you come from, it’s seen as effeminate to be intellectual.

“You keep on inferring that anyone who disagrees with you has never read a book cover to covet as its inconceivable to you that educated people disagree with the equality and diversity doctrines, probably due to the bias in the education system”.

^^^ You’re starting to make it up now. Pathetic and laughable at the same time. How did you manage it? 😀

Buddy Hell – No one needs to use Wikipedia as a reference. I think the person just used it for convenience. We can use “The Frankfurt School: Its History, Theory and Political Significance By: Rolf Wiggershaus” as a reference if it pleases you.

I suppose its only intellectual if you interpret this book as an addition to the social sciences and if you look at it from the perspective of distortions to European traditional culture then you are an unintellectual, knuckle dragging, bar fighting, unenlightened Neanderthal? And this comes from the same people that discourage generalisations. Very consistent as usual. Unstable people and belief systems are full of inconsistencies and contradictions. Hence all you need if people to challenge on the inconsistencies e.g. A homeland is good for non-whites but racist for whites, and the bottom falls out of the theory and all the Guardian non-jobs in govenement, media and education it has produced.

@96

You still don’t get it: ‘cultural Marxism’ is a conspiracy theory concocted by the anti-intellectuals of the US Right and lapped up by gullible right-wingers like you, who are desperate to cling onto any crackpot idea that seems to validate your paranoid fantasies.

‘Cultural Marxism’ is, in fact, best referred to as the “Frankfurt School conspiracy theory” and is essentially anti-Semitic as well as anti-Marxist/anti-Left. Are you an anti-Semite, Dennis? Do you know who Senator Joseph was?

But why refer me to Rolf Wiggershaus? I’ve read Adorno, Horkheimer, Habermas and Marcuse. Why would I want to read a book on the Frankfurt School by one of its former students? This tells me that: 1. you’ve never read any books written by the Frankfurt School theorists and 2. your grasp of such matters is superficial and this is demonstrated by your eagerness to mention Rolf Wiggershaus’s book (which I doubt you’ve read). I would wager that you saw the title and thought “that’ll do. That’s evidence”. Sadly for you, it is not evidential of anything but your ignorance.

Buddy Hell – Let’s make this easy for you. You are clearly very prejudiced again the phrase “Cultural Marxism”, so for the sake of this conversation let’s drop the term. Let’s take some of the things that come out of the Frankfurt School and call them “X” (after generation “X”) and completely avoid the term cultural Marxism.

In November 1929, Erich Fromm was appointed director of the Social Psychology section. Fromm engaged in a Marxist Interpretation of Freudian ideas. He found that the idea of the Christian God meant a blind submission to father figures. He interpreted “the father, the Son and the Holy Spirit” concept as analogous to an individual compulsive neurotic disorder.

Pollock wrote a “5 year plan” in 1927 which contains the first, if not one of the first references to “social engineering”: “The art of the social engineer is to restructure the whole basis of society.”

Leo Lowenthal, a Zionist Jew had worked on various Jewish scholarily works prior to joining the Frankfurt School in addition to works on the problems with religion. One work entitled “The Demonic: Draft of a Negative Philosophy of Religion”, applied the negative dialectic to Christianity. Lowenthal had also worked with a centre for Jewish refugees from the East.

The result of the Frankfurt School’s campaign was that “minority rights” were put in place. If you were in an ethnic minority, you were in a special category. If you were Jewish, homosexual or disabled, similarly you were politically of higher value. A white person could not ordinarily be of higher value, but if they were for example a feminist, they were of higher value. To remand “rights for whites” is inherently pathological according to the Frankfurt School, therefore white people cannot discuss issues such as their demographic eclipse.

By showing American society that their own Christian families were pathological through the fact that group identification to one’s own group was more prevalent than out of group identification with Jewish people – which was deemed to be a pathology. This pathology was supposedly caused by repression in the family. The nuclear family was an authoritarian order which made people follow orders, so the school was to prepare society for the more tolerant and alternative commune family, in addition to replacing ones dependence on family with dependence on state. The nation was a bad thing, patriotism was also bad as it potentially made you follow orders. The Authoritarian Personality invented a set of criteria which defined personality traits. It’s system ranked these traits and their degree in a scale which it also invented called ‘F scale’ (F for fascist).

Löwenthal wrote Prophets of Deceit (1949) which was published by the American Jewish Committee (AJC). The work explores the emotionally loaded arguments by which “our tinhorn fascists” e.g. the promoters of a majority race ideas exploit a psychic malaise that afflicts every stratum of society; by which they endeavor to provide outlets for aggression that both relieve the individual’s tension and further exacerbate his frustration.

Herbert Marcuse took the ideas from the Frankfurt School concerning the subversion of Western culture and put them into practise. His works and influence are said to be behind the 1960s cultural subversions in the United States which some refer to as the “hippy revolution”. The “great refusal” had been literally translated into what those sympathetic to it called “activism” but what amounted to a new progressivism which countered Western values in general.

Fromm argues that the Christians, including the Christian Proletariat practised an “attitude of hate” and that at this time in history, they would have to adapt to the “existing real social situation.” Fromm wrote a book called “Development of Christian Dogma” which was intended to show that conformity with Christian values means conformity with class society.

So my argument is that the Frankfurt School has introduced a doctrine to subvert Western culture which we are calling “X” as we don’t like the term cultural Marxism.

I refer you to the book “The Frankfurt School: Its History, Theory and Political Significance By: Rolf Wiggershaus” by one of its former students because it covers a wide spectrum of Frankfurt School writers.

I have read this book.

Buddy Hell – The term far right is from gullible left-wingers like you, who are desperate to cling onto any crackpot idea that seems to validate your paranoid fantasies.

The term far-right may in some instances refer to some people with some highly extremist ideas, but very very rarely. In the vast majority of cases, it refers to anyone with the principles that were ordinary in society before 1950. e.g. that Britain should keep itself primarily white British, have a high standard of education, have people work for their own living, balance the books, keep things functional as opposed to post-modern urban decay.

To the left which has brainwashed the majority, how dare anyone white, in a white country dare to propagate an ethnic white interest among other ideas which are concerned with the western nation, race, culture, Christianity and the family. It’s Xenophobic, racist, homophobic, supremacist, male chauvinist etc. (But these things are good for non-Westerners e.g. the ANC in Africa, and Africa for the Africans)

In a British company today, people follow the “X” ideas because they are pumped and pumped into the social space, but if you ask people privately, they say that they do not believe in them.

The only people who believe in them are nutty left field professors who have no common sense and can only think in terms of a set of written material that they are prescribed.

This is like the Soviet professors just before the fall of Soviet Communism saying “There is no precedent for this in our books….Soviet Communism is great and it will always be here.” days before the Berlin Wall collapsed.

Nutty left field professors can only see their “X” theory books, and cannot see for example that the West is in a state of crisis, that the West is going bankrupt, that America has 16 trillion dollars of national debt increasing at one or two trillion a year, that the society is being dysfunctional, that welfare has become the norm for many parts of society. That Somalians come to this country just for benefits, that multiculturalism brings dysfunctional society and loss of trust between people (if you compare with 1940s and 1950s society) etc. etc. The left field professor will just say “My manuals tell me that this is a beautiful society of social justice, equality and diversity.”

These views are now enforced in a kind of Orwellian sense. Political correctness is enforced in a kind of Orwellian sense. We have news articles about non-PC tweets and twitters that people make. People can lose their job for being non-PC.

Any attempt for someone to think in a mature way and to sort this country out is portrayed as a beast by the “X” influenced media. There is no maturity, there are only screaming children in the bodies of adults, the children who never grew up running this country and in the state institutions. The answer is to purge these people as opposed to brainwashing ourselves to conform, and that is why anyone with any maturity should embrace what is known as the “far-right”.

@98 & 99

“Buddy Hell – The term far right is from gullible left-wingers like you, who are desperate to cling onto any crackpot idea that seems to validate your paranoid fantasies”

You’re either a really stupid troll or you’re just pathologically ignorant. All you’ve done here is to cut and paste something that I’d already typed.

But this takes the biscuit.

“Buddy Hell – Let’s make this easy for you. You are clearly very prejudiced again the phrase “Cultural Marxism”, so for the sake of this conversation let’s drop the term. Let’s take some of the things that come out of the Frankfurt School and call them “X” (after generation “X”) and completely avoid the term cultural Marxism”.

You must have a lot of time on your hands to post such drivel. 😀

Admit it, you’ve never read anything written by Theodor Adorno or Max Horkheimer and you can’t actually explain any of the concepts contained in their books. hence, your readiness to use terms like “cultural Marxism”.

I won’t bother with the rest of your comments because they simply don’t make any sense or contain the usual barely concealed racist drivel dressed up as ‘facts’.

Buddy Hell – When you can’t debate any more, the left just refers to the arguments of their opponents:

– Racist
– Ignorant
– Drivel

Well done, besides supremacist, bigot and chauvanist, we almost have a buzzword bingo from your last post. You managed racist, ignorant, and drivel! While at the same time admitting that you are not even going to read my post.

Then your defense mechanism is to measure me against a reading list!

Bravo! You just proved the tactics of the left; never face any issue or argument head on, try and win it on some irrelevancy or by discrediting you opponent using traditional propaganda techniques (i.e. apply one standard to people you like and a different standard to people you don’t like). (Yes I have read Adorno – Authoritarian Personality, Fromm – Fear of Freedom, Frankfurt School – Wiggerhaus, Frankfurt School – Bottomore, Freud – Civilisation and its discontents – enough to give me a flavor of the content of the Frankfurt School writers).

You are bankrupt. (Like the governments running your schema).


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