EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg & the right-wing group that wants black Britons to leave


10:00 am - August 8th 2013

by Sunny Hundal    


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A mainstream conservative campaign group named Traditional Britain has called for Doreen Lawrence, the newly appointed Labour peer, and millions of ethnic-minority Britons to “return to their natural homelands”, Liberal Conspiracy has found.

Traditional Britain also refers to Labour MP Chuka Umunna as “a Nigerian” and Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi as “foreign“. When Ukip MEP referred to aid-recieving countries as ‘Bongobongoland’, TB called him “a legend“.

We have gone through their Facebook page extensively to illustrate their views. Traditional Britain’s call for minorities to return to their ‘natural homelands’ echoes that of the British National Party, which calls for ‘generous grants’ to be given to ‘those of foreign descent’ who wish to leave the UK.

But Traditional Britain is not regarded as a fringe far-right group.

In fact, its 2013 Annual Dinner Guest-of-honour was Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg – which took place on 17th May 2013.

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Held at the East India Club, pictures from the event are here. Also attending that evening (TB proudly state on their website) – John Taylor, former Ulster Unionist M.P., and a member of the notorious Monday Club.

On Doreen Lawrence

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In June this year, when a far-right National Front member won in a by-election in France, it claimed this was an “excellent victory“.

It has welcomed Marine Le Pen “doing extremely well“.

It has posted quotes by others against racial mixing too.

This is how Traditional Britain describes itself:

Infused with a new generation of enthusiastic and passionate activists, the Traditional Britain Group offers a focal point to promote ideas, discussion, networking, education and traditionalist action. We seek to provide to a home to the disillusioned patriot, and through traditional and modern media, we aim to bring together a broad alliance of those who desire a genuine, radical, conservative alternative

With courage, pride and determination, the Traditional Britain Group says, ‘No more! The ancient traditions, peoples and beliefs of these isles are worth preserving. There is an alternative for Britain. The fight back begins now!’

Traditional Britain also held a Centenary Dinner in honour of Enoch Powell.

Did Jacob Rees-Mogg know about the group’s views before he accepted their invitation? Traditional Britain had written in support of Marine Le Pen well before he spoke at their event.

Did his advisers look into their views before they accepted the invitation? Will he distance himself from Traditional Britain after the way they refer to MPs Chuka Umunna and Nadhim Zahawi?

We’ll be putting these questions to his office today, and bring you more on this group tomorrow.

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» Jacob Rees-Mogg has now distanced himself from the group, claiming he knew little.

Traditional Britain have released a statement, which is hilarious.


Note: the URL of this story mistakenly refers to William instead of Jacob Rees-Mogg. We can’t change that now, unfortunately.

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Presume you mean Jacob RM in your last couple of paras?

Is this a parody group?

Its the sort of group I’d create if I worked for labour central office and wanted to smear the tories by association…..

Yes they sound pretty bonkers and unpleasant – well done.

As for the ‘Bongo Bongo’ UKIP idiot, of course it’s offensive to be rude about Africa. You’ll offend people from any country you criticise like that.
Even a horrible country like Sudan. If you say anything derogatory about Sudan, someone from there will be offended. And others will be offended on their behalf.

If you look hard you can find offensive things all over the place. But people usually pick and choose what they want to flag up. This article in The Voice newspaper could also be deemed as offensive to white middle class people.

Don’t call us Middle Class, say Black Professionals

”HIGH-EARNING black people do not feel they are ‘middle class’ because of the term’s historic associations with racism a new study has revealed.”

How lazy and racist is that? But because it was in a black community newspaper it wasn’t picked up and highlighted in other media. It never made the radio phone in programmes on LBC and BBC London.
But maybe it should have, as it speaks volumes.

I recall that the Traditional Britain Group was represented at a 2006 “Right Now!” conference, at which, according to Searchlight, there was “a large British National Party contingent too, numbering around 20″. Some details towards the end here.

Right on the money and right on time for the topic running in the van thread.

These overtures have a long and distinct pedegree within societies trying to make sense of their identity. This is the British version of ‘Volk’.

Time for the van people to increase their fleet methinks.

Personally I think I will put some fuel in my spitfire and go look for the enemy .(Can you do that in Croydon I wonder!)

This self-righteous racism which seems to stem from some inherent feeling of superiority and entitlement sickens me and scares the s**t out of me. Its redolent of Nazi ideology. I thought we had laws relating to such blatant racism yet these people seem to be infecting Facebook with it with impunity. Their remarks about Doreen Lawrence and others show astonishing ignorance.If this is what a future Britain will look like I want none of it.

6. Sue Paraszczuk

‘If this is what a future Britain will look like I want none of it’

I think that’s the general idea. Not sure its Nazi but it certainly is Fascist. Bring back Rosa.

8. Paul peter Smith

@2
I also assumed this was a silly season thing initially but it actually ties in with UKIP’s half hearted chastisement of whats his face (my MEP, how proud). The bulk of UKIP’s target voters, currently conservatives mostly, probably think Bongo-Bongoland is a real place and cant see what all the fuss is about. Expect an announcement of a Traditional Britain/UKIP alliance any day. Which should cheer up anyone hoping for a Labour government next time as UKIP will likely eviserate the Torys at the next election and probably hand it to Labour, despite the best efforts of the Geek that squeaks and the Burke that smirks.

8. Paul peter Smith

‘the Burke that smirks’

How very apt. To quote (Edmund Burke that is)

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing’

Did Jacob Rees-Mogg know about the group’s views before he accepted their invitation?

I’d be surprised. His publicly stated views on immigration are:

“I think we have an immigration problem,” he continues. “The electorate is very worried about it, and as a party we have an issue. The research done by Lord Ashcroft is very interesting, because we have unconstrained immigration from Europe and heavily-constrained immigration from the Commonwealth. We have to be careful that it doesn’t look as if our immigration policy is racist against Commonwealth countries… Indians, Pakistanis and Africans, many of whom are old friends of our nation.”

http://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/324077/jacob-reesmogg-a-boris-in-the-making.thtml

I suspect he just saw ‘traditionalist’. Which is lazy and rubbish of him.

I’m not sure what the exclusive here is supposed to be, since Rees-Mogg and Traditional Britain has already been covered by Searchlight. The story on their website, for example http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/archive/a-choppy-trip-around-the-nazi-bay is dated 28 June, which is over a month ago. (I first came across it more recently than this, in my subscriber’s copy of the print version of the magazine.)

Sunny asks, “Did Jacob Rees-Mogg know about the group’s views before he accepted their invitation?” But we already know the answer:

*** “Searchlight tried to dissuade him from going, and Gerry Gable had a polite and serious exchange in which Gerry explained who and what the TBG are, but it seems he was persuaded at the eleventh hour by smooth talking from the liar Gregory Lauder-Frost, the TBG’s vice president.” ***

It’s just a few twats on the internet. There’s loads of them about. Dozens in Peterborough alone. I know acknowledging them makes for a nice story, but seriously, I wish stuff like this should be allowed to suffocate in its own miserable obscurity.

EXCLUSIVE – I am having a nice salad for lunch.

“A mainstream conservative campaign group”

The bit you’ve got wrong there is “mainstream”. They’re a splinter off the Monday Club, entirely true. But they’re a bit weird even for said Monday Club. And don’t forget, IDS pretty much told the Monday Club itself to bugger off well over a decade ago.

Agreed that they’re conservatives (and quite possibly not Conservatives) but calling them “mainstream” just ain’t true.

15. LondonStatto

What exactly is “mainstream Conservative” about them?

The bulk of UKIP’s target voters, currently conservatives mostly, probably think Bongo-Bongoland is a real place and cant see what all the fuss is about.

An MEP has got into trouble for using the term Bongo Bongo Land. But to some people in Tanzania the term is almost a compliment.

This may all be news to people from Tanzania where the shorter word Bongoland means the polar opposite to uncivilised. Instead it means a place where people have to be savvy and have their wits about them.

I guess it depends on the meaning one knows it for and intent, Bongo Bongo Land, is refering to the bongo drum, correct? Its stated in such a way to suggest that those people are primitive, perhaps savages?

If an Amazon tribes man refered to the uk as derivatives shuffling land, or financial bean counter island, and he was saying it in such a manner that would suggest the peoples of the uk are primitive and so forth due to their preoccupation with capitalism, is he being racist?

17. Planeshift

“calling them “mainstream” just ain’t true”

Obviously, those tories who subscribe to such views have joined your lot ;-)

Explain the following asymmetry please:

Persuade others to leave their natural homelands and settle here –> the summum bonum itself;

Persuade others to return to their natural homelands and settle there –> Hitler x 10.

Rather naïve of Jacob Rees-Mogg to accept the invitation WITHOUT researching the background of the TBG first.

As he did so, would not the erudite and prudent course of action have been to politely excuse himself when he learnt that the TBG was nothing more than the polite face of the EDL/NF/BNP? I’d be very interested to learn why he didn’t…

Unfortunately, however much he claims to have been ignorant of its ethos and ideology, it’s going to remain as a dark stain on his political career.

Vimothy – what is a ‘natural homeland’ please? And to whom does it apply?

“I thought we had laws relating to such blatant racism”

I hope not. That would be worse than the racism itself.

22. Thomas Moffat

I will tell you what is “hilarious” (besides this site), the comments thread coming off this story! “Racists! NAZIS!!! Fascists!!! EVERYWHERE!!!” LOL

This is why Liberal Ideologies days are numbered. The broad brush smearing of ordinary people with legitimate concerns will have a backlash that you should fear… and THAT is when the real “Fascists” will appear… and most likely start searching sites like this for names and addresses. LOL

Regards

23. Katie Levitt

Rees-Mogg was warned by Gerry Gable of Searchlight in a telephone conversation before he spoke. There was also concern at the Joint-Conference of last October with the Quarterly Review which featured several prominent academics and also Theodore Dalrymple. The following expose was also published in a comment to Theodore Dalrymple’s essay for the New English Review of November 2012.

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/archive/counter-revolutionaries-for-tradition

24. stalins right toe

leftie middle class student type trolls like you lot love an imaginary far right group as your bogeyman to attack.who are the real fascists here i wonder,its feels like i am like living china and north korea where anybody with views different to you lot get smeared as fascists and racists,freedom of speech is sacred,you lot want to destroy it…..stalins right toe

“This is why Liberal Ideologies days are numbered. The broad brush smearing of ordinary people with legitimate concerns will have a backlash that you should fear… and THAT is when the real “Fascists” will appear… and most likely start searching sites like this for names and addresses. LOL”

Ah, those good old “legitimate concerns”. That’s some nice politico speak there. I’m not saying I agree with Adolf there, but you must agree he has legitimate concerns!

its feels like i am like living china and north korea where anybody with views different to you lot get smeared as fascists and racists

Inadvertent complement for China and North Korea alert!

Political dissidents merely get smeared as fascists and racists eh? Quite the improvement on what I thought happened to them. I seem to recall some sort of incident involving a square in China a fair few years ago, and something along the lines of being publically flogged for not being sufficiently mournful when the dear leader passed away recently in North Korea.

27. PottyTraining

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28. PottyTraining

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29. Arun Lapun

No one more intolerant of free speech than so-called anti-racists. The only reason for blanket suppression of opposing views on immigration and race and the associated vitriol is that the detractors cannot articulate a logical argument. This moronic campaign has made an almost unknown group famous. The head of Traditional Britain appears on the BBC and is the fabled swivel-eyed loon come to life– a living parody of a human dinosaur, yet he and his group now has a public where none existed. Likewise the childish pants-wetting about UKIP’s Bloom and Bongo-Bongo land has broadcast a speech originally made to thirty people to thirty million–of whom at least fifteen million agree with him.
You lot are as thick as pig-leavings and probably the best recruiting sergeants for the BNP after the nutter who chopped PC Blakelock.

The thing about Bloom is that he couldn’t even be an original racist. Alan Clark got into a bit of the brown and smelly in the 80s for using the “Bongo Bongo Land” meme when he was a minister.

No one can adress my point then, I guess its just easier to say “racist” as “mean” is not bad enough for the emotional.

@19 “it’s going to remain as a dark stain on his political career”

On the contrary; it will be completely forgotten by Monday.

Sarah,

I took it to mean “source of origin,” in which case, everyone has one. For the purposes of my comment, you may interpret it however you like, as long as you do so symmetrically.

33

‘I took it to mean the “source of origin”, in which case, everyone has one.’

I take it you mean ‘Mitochondrial Eve’ most probably of African origin.

35. Soldat Amir

Is it possible we can offer angry white English men a ticket to return to their natural homeland in Saxony or Eastern Germany by any chance…just saying.

Surely Saxony would be quite keen, and we should as well, since the migration of groups of people to foreign climes benefits all and sundry, no?

37. Robin Levett

@vimothy #33:

I took it to mean “source of origin,” in which case, everyone has one. For the purposes of my comment, you may interpret it however you like, as long as you do so symmetrically.

Africa’s going to get quite crowded with 6 billion people turning up to join the billion already there. On the other hand, Eurasia, Australia and the Americas will be empty.

Or was your idea to draw the line somewhere more recent, and if so when?

37. Robin Levett

1065 is better I think . No frogs then. Can one say frogs these days I wonder.

I am curious as to the derivation of said epithet. Does it refer to the antelope or the drum. If it refers to the former
its repetition in the phrase may indicate its native preponderance.

20. Sarah

Anywhere but Croydon hopefully!

41. Mike Killingworth

[16] You need some Race Awareness Training, my friend.

In order to be racist it is first necessary to be white.

Whilst I sympathise with Doreen Lawrence,don’t you just get sick and tired of hearing about the Lawrence issue.

Hardly a week goes by where we don’t hear about Lawrence this or that.Can somebody please advise me what she has done to warrant her being elevated into the House of Lords.

41) The notion that only white skinned people are racist is just not true. If you accept this then it follows that only black/brown/yellow skinned people experience racism.Which would then mean that any prejudice expressed towards, say, Eastern Europeans, was not racist. Racism is not about skin colour at all. I respectfully suggest you are the one needing the Racial Awareness Training.

42)I agree there’s been a lot of media coverage of the Lawrence case over the years. But this isn’t a bad thing. If you’ve been watching all this I find it strange you don’t know what she’s done to merit being in the Lords!Stephen’s murder may well not be the only racially motivated killing in Britain but it happens to be the one that triggered a wider awareness of the problem and led to some positive outcomes. I personally feel grateful to Doreen because she’s turned a very harrowing negative experience into something positive. She’s been prepared to speak out against injustice where others would remain silent. And now she’s in the Lords I think she’ll earn her money many times over and I have great hopes for her. Ok, the system of government we have is by no means perfect and I’d be the first to say it should change radically, but while we’re stuck with it I’d rather have someone like Doreen on my side than a lot of the others, many of whom abuse the privilege by using it to further their own vested interests.

Are the people in this awful racist group members of the Conservative Party? If so, when are they going to be kicked out? If not, why not?

you cant have a go at them they are a minority group

I have cast iron proof that Jimmy Savile was innocent. In the coming days all will be revealed.

47. CloseShave

@36

The frogs were actually Toads
– all alchemical Three of them, on the old flag!


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