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Spectator: Neo-Nazis just “good patriotic Greeks”


2:33 pm - July 23rd 2013

by Sunny Hundal    


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The Spectator magazine has run an article in the print edition on the Greek party Golden Dawn titled: A fascist takeover of Greece? We should be so lucky.

Apparently Golden Dawn came into being because of Political Correctness that Greeks were, “at times getting fewer benefits than African illegal immigrants”. This is bollocks of course, but that isn’t even the most offensive part of the piece.

It goes on to white-wash the neo-Nazis almost entirely:

Then GD became very popular with certain poor Greeks while it defended them from being mugged by Albanian criminals and drug dealers, and for safeguarding older folk after bank withdrawals. No, Golden Dawn is not house-trained, and many of its members tend to use rough language and get physical. None of them went to Eton, and none of their parents was my playmate when I was a child.

But if they were lefties and railed against capitalism they would be treated like heroes, the way Bono, Bianca Jagger and other such untalented rappers and phonies are. Golden Dawn members might need some lessons in social etiquette, but what the bien pensant need much more is to get off the pot and their double standards. Golden Dawn members are mostly labourers, martial artists, cops, security personnel and good old-fashioned patriotic Greeks.

Or perhaps he means well-paid footballers doing Nazi salutes?

And there is of course plenty of evidence for Golden Dawn’s racist and anti-semitic sloganeering.

Imagine if a left-wing magazine had run an article playing down a virulently anti-semitic and racist party?

In fact, even the Spectator has previously referred to Golden Dawn as a Neo-Nazi party.

And yet Fraser Nelson thinks this just reflects the Spectator’s broad church. Does the Spectator not have any limits to this broad church at all? Can one write a piece praising Hitler too?

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Just astounding.

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1. MarkAustin

And what, other than hysterical scare-mongering, does global warming have to do with the Greek, facist, New Dawn party.

Taki – the octogenarian millionaire professional controversialist.

I would be more worried about oh, I don’t know, supposedly serious people at the Guardian printing articles by the leader of Hamas – now there’s a real fascist outfit – and plenty of others supporting them.

“Can one write a piece praising Hitler too?”

Probably not, but the Guardian has published plenty praising the old communist regimes.

It only took a few minutes for the whataboutery to arrive.

@1 Libcon could do with using a different ‘Spectator cover picture’ from time to time.

CJ
Forget the diversion for a second, are Golden Dawn a NAZI inspired Party?

Having read over the years what Taki has written, I would be surprised if he didn’t pen a puff for Golden Dawn.

I don’t like what he writes, but I’m hardly going to get in a strop about it.

3 – it’s right there in the piece isn’t it? “Imagine if a left-wing magazine had run an article playing down a virulently anti-semitic and racist party?”

Just to save everybody time, here’s Ken Livingstone’s interview with the leader of Hamas in the New Statesman.
http://www.newstatesman.com/middle-east/2009/09/israel-palestinian-hamas

Ends with the line (not by KL):

“Hamas defends a just cause. For this purpose, it desires to open up to the world. The movement seeks to establish good relations and to conduct constructive dialogue with all those concerned with Palestine.”

Taki is, incidentally, a bigoted, racist, sexist fuckwit and why he gets houseroom in the Spectator I have absolutely no idea.

Tim J @7:

“Taki is, incidentally, a bigoted, racist, sexist fuckwit and why he gets houseroom in the Spectator I have absolutely no idea.”

Erm…haven’t you just answered your own question?

i believe that all lefties should read at least one piece of rightwing media to keep us sharp and to let us know what the other side think. reading the guardian and the independent is dangerous as it we dont tend to see the bias when we read those. i link to medialens at top)
i do read the spectator and like some of the writing but i do feel that they put a lot of stuff in to provoke a reaction. i may or may not buy the latest issue which contains an article that i find offensive but i wont be talking about it i dont believe in giving attention seekers attention.

10. Shatterface

3 – it’s right there in the piece isn’t it? “Imagine if a left-wing magazine had run an article playing down a virulently anti-semitic and racist party?”

He does that a lot: getting his whataboutery in first.

His current PR piece for the EDL asks what would happen if a Muslim sported a tattoo of a church being blown up but you can guess that he’ll be spluttering up his humous if anyone gives an example of a Muslim inciting violence (if such a thing was even imaginable).

Imagine if a left-wing magazine had run an article playing down a virulently anti-semitic and racist party?

The Guardian commissions articles from Islamists eg Ghannouchi of Tunisia. In articles about eg the murder of Lee Rigby its star columnists like Glenn Greenwald and guest writers like Terry Eagleton are very big about American foreign policy as a cause, and skip over the virulently antisemitic ideology behind such terrorist acts.

I agree that Taki’s article is total shit and not even Rod Liddle would have written something as garbage as that. It’s not so just his horrible political opinions, it’s his silly conceit and boasting. I think The Spectator regards him as a kind of comic turn

12. Man on Clapham Omnibus

7 Tim J

aki is, incidentally, a bigoted, racist, sexist fuckwit and why he gets houseroom in the Spectator I have absolutely no idea’

Perhaps the public are being groomed. After all, the fall of Egyptian democracy wasnt exactly condemmed by the Tories.

Soon it will be ok to goosestep in public in the same way it was ok to own and Ferrari and be a solcialist under Tony Blair.

Tony for all his faults(cant think of any at the moment) did introduce the cross party consensus that it is ok to go to other peoples countries,kill them and take what you wantunder pretty much any pretext you fancy. It isnt a big extension to the notion that if you find foreign looking people in your own country it is just cause to kick them out or murder them because that is surely what the Golden Dawn are doing.

At the risk of sounding a tad reductionist, the collapse of the economic base is having obvious ideological repercussions. The spectator today ,the gutter press tomorrow.

11.
Glenn Greenwald is an American lawyer so it is hardly surprising that he writes about US politics. Mr Greenwald is of Jewish ancestry.
Terry Eagleton is mainly a literary critic who sometimes writes pieces for the Guardian including an article where he states that writing off terrorist acts as irrational is dangerous.

13 – your comment is shaped as if it’s a reply to mine, but in no way does it answer the points I’ve raised.

14.
What points? Eagleton in his article about the Woolwich murder wishes to analyse the cause or causes of a killing. If you wish to write off the crime as the work of “virulent antisemitic ideology” that’s up to you but you might just as well say that the devil was responsible or voodoo.

16. Matthew Blott

You really shouldn’t get so upset though Sunny as Fraser Nelson, like the immature public schoolboy he is, thinks he’s doing something right if he upset a few lefties. I assumed it was written by that other cunt Rod Liddle as I didn’t realise Taki was still alive.

@4 Cylux

“@1 Libcon could do with using a different ‘Spectator cover picture’ from time to time.”

Something from Resident Evil, perhaps?

I have no idea why Taki is still tolerated either.
Probably to annoy the bien pensant set.

The difference between Taki and (eg) Milne at the Guardian is that the former (a joke character) is the exception while the latter (a supposedly serious journalist) is the rule.

19. Man on Clapham Omnibus

15. Ceiliog

Why does analysis constitute ‘writing something off’.

19.
See comment 11 and then link to Terry Eagleton’s article in the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/26/woolwich-murders-reason-beat-terrorists
Do you prefer reasoned analysis or the label “virulenty antisemitic ideology” or an alternative process?
If you prefer an alternative process, please provide details.

Did he write for the Daily Mail in the 1930s

It’s an article by Taki. It was probably authored during the comedown of a few grams of ching.

Hitler might be a step too far even for the Speccie, but they did run a “Mussolini wasn’t so bad” article a decade or so back, and their writers are practically required to love Franco.

24. flyingrodent

It would probably help at this point to note that Hamas, as much of a bunch of horrible shits as they are, will have to be part of any eventual peace deal in one of the world’s longest-running violent political disputes.

This means that Hamas’s opinion on this or that, however retarded and/or loopy it is, is very relevant to a major and ongoing political issue. Lots of folk don’t like this, understandably, but there it is.

The Guardian published one of Osama Bin Laden’s speeches, once upon a time. While it’s possible that the Graun lurves Osama and wants him to rule the universe, I imagine a case could be made that printing what the crazy old codger had to say might be useful, in the middle of a war on his organisation. The same goes for many belligerent, theocratic bell-ends in the Arab Spring states.

Golden Dawn, on the other hand, are a bunch of fuck-stupid Nazis whose opinions are relevant only in the sense that they demonstrate the vileness of much right wing blood and thunder.

Of course, much of GD’s political programme on immigration etc. wouldn’t look out of place in the UK tabloids, which are full to the brim every damn day with scare stories depicting entire sections of the populace as barely deserving of rights.

I realise that many here think that yowling “But what about the Guardian? (swoon)” is a devastating rejoinder. Nonetheless, this isnt the case.

What all of this proves is that while the Graun can’t fart without thousands of handbags being clutched in terror, there’s barely any pressure at all on right wing media to rein in its strum und drang hatefests.

Which, given the vastly greater reach of the right wing press, should worry us a bit more than, say, Ken Livingstone having tea with some religious headbanger, I think.

Which, given the vastly greater reach of the right wing press, should worry us a bit more than, say, Ken Livingstone having tea with some religious headbanger, I think.

I’m not sure that Taki is really so very much more powerful and influential than Ken Livingstone. That’s why his articles are tucked away in the back of the magazine next to Melissa Kite wittering on about horse riding and whoever it was that replaced Jeffrey Bernard talking about hangovers.

As to Hamas vs Golden Dawn, as it stands there is something intrinsically more alarming about ‘ruling party is composed of anti-semitic murderous fuck nuggets’ than ‘party that wins less than 7% of vote is composed of anti-semitic fascistic fuck nuggets’.

In any event Sunny’s question was “Imagine if a left-wing magazine had run an article playing down a virulently anti-semitic and racist party?” Hamas may be an important player in the Middle East, but which bit of “virulently anti-semitic and racist” do you think is inaccurate?

Hold up, how come the street thugs of the Golden Dawn are the equivalent of Bono and Bianca Jagger?

27. Rabid Right

I’m not sure which is worse: the relaxed attitude towards fascism or the relaxed attitude towards catastrophic climate change…

From Taki’s article.

About four or five years ago I was cheered at a meeting when I walked in accompanied by two young women, and I thought it was because of something I had written. Not at all, as it turned out. They cheered because I’m old and the two companions were young. Very politically incorrect, but very Greek, I’m afraid. Polly Toynbee, Maureen Dowd and other old hags would have been appalled. Too bad, young women enjoy older men with boats, especially during the hot summer months.

Taki would only enjoy feminist frothing about such remarks. So I wouldn’t dignify it with “sexist” or “misogynist”, he being the sort of guy who would say “he really lervs women.” It’s the sheer crappy vulgarity of this kind of thing that is really disgusting, and which should be beneath the Spectator to publish. I’m tempted to reply equally vulgarly and say, “Hope you were paying them well, wrinkly,” or “I bet they hid your viagara” or perhaps the young women were cheered for taking their senile old grandfather for an outing. Insult calls for insult.

@ ceilog

Eagleton’s article preens itself as offering rationality but if you miss out half of an explanation, that’s not rational.

Normblog takes his argument to pieces here:-

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2013/05/the-greenwalding-of-terry-eagleton.html

“Now, if a man says that he’s butchered someone on the street because of… Afghanistan, it is then true, if he is not lying or self-deceived, that somewhere in the causal chain leading up to that murderous act Western intervention against Al-Qaida and the Taliban has played some part in bringing the atrocity about. But it is by no means a sufficient explanation, as you can quickly ascertain by starting to count up in your head all those angered or upset about Western intervention who haven’t butchered anybody. At the same time, you can start to compute how many people responsible for jihadist terrorism today not only cite Afghanistan and/or Iraq but frame the reference within the terms of an Islamist ideology according to which the slaughter of innocents is an apt response to Western foreign policy. That’s a very large number of people. It is also true, of course, that not all Islamists commit terrorist murder, so this isn’t a complete explanation either, but you’d think the ideological factor should have some prominence.”

Eagleton has this really pissing-off attitude of being the fearless rationalist while being very coy on some things like jihadism, which he really never mentions – or if he does (and I don’t think he does), it’s only as a result of Western foreign policy, not an ideology in its own right. It’s as if someone described Nazi atrocities only as a result of the Treaty of Versailles and not the actions of an ideology with its own particular rationale for who is killable.

About four or five years ago I was cheered at a meeting when I walked in accompanied by two young women, and I thought it was because of something I had written. Not at all, as it turned out. They cheered because I’m old and the two companions were young. Very politically incorrect, but very Greek, I’m afraid. Polly Toynbee, Maureen Dowd and other old hags would have been appalled. Too bad, young women enjoy older men with boats, especially during the hot summer months.

Taki would only enjoy feminist frothing about such remarks. So I wouldn’t dignify it with “sexist” or “misogynist”, he being the sort of guy who would say “he really lervs women.” It’s the sheer crappy vulgarity of this kind of thing that is really disgusting, and which should be beneath the Spectator to publish. I’m tempted to reply equally vulgarly and say, “Hope you were paying them well, wrinkly,” or “I bet they hid your viagara” or perhaps the young women were cheered for taking their senile old grandfather for an outing.

@ ceilog

Eagleton’s article preens itself as offering rationality but if you miss out half of an explanation, that’s not rational.

Normblog takes his argument to pieces here:-

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2013/05/the-greenwalding-of-terry-eagleton.html

“Now, if a man says that he’s butchered someone on the street because of… Afghanistan, it is then true, if he is not lying or self-deceived, that somewhere in the causal chain leading up to that murderous act Western intervention against Al-Qaida and the Taliban has played some part in bringing the atrocity about. But it is by no means a sufficient explanation, as you can quickly ascertain by starting to count up in your head all those angered or upset about Western intervention who haven’t butchered anybody. At the same time, you can start to compute how many people responsible for jihadist terrorism today not only cite Afghanistan and/or Iraq but frame the reference within the terms of an Islamist ideology according to which the slaughter of innocents is an apt response to Western foreign policy. That’s a very large number of people. It is also true, of course, that not all Islamists commit terrorist murder, so this isn’t a complete explanation either, but you’d think the ideological factor should have some prominence.”

Eagleton has this really pissing-off attitude of being the fearless rationalist while being very coy on some things like jihadism, which he really never mentions – or if he does (and I don’t think he does), it’s only as a result of Western foreign policy, not an ideology in its own right. It’s as if someone described Nazi atrocities only as a result of the Treaty of Versailles and not the actions of an ideology with its own particular collection of ideas about who is killable.

Cripes – could someone please delete the duplicate comments?

“Imagine if a left-wing magazine had run an article playing down a virulently anti-semitic and racist party?”

Imagine if someone had written a blog post with that line, and then complained that people were giving examples of just that thing as “whataboutery” as Sunny does @3.

I’m, quite happy to denounce Taki, who makes Rod Liddle look quite decent by comparison, and the Spectator for publishing him. I can’t see the New Statesman publishing something quite as repellent as that – but Counterpunch publishes Israel Shamir, who is certainly anti-semitic and racist, and has also shopped dissidents to a dictator to boot.

http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/morning-star-holocaust-deniers-and-anti-semites-welcome/

33. Robin Levett

@Tim J #25:

In any event Sunny’s question was “Imagine if a left-wing magazine had run an article playing down a virulently anti-semitic and racist party?” Hamas may be an important player in the Middle East, but which bit of “virulently anti-semitic and racist” do you think is inaccurate?

Neither; I’d say that “playing down” is the inaccurate bit.

34. tigerdarwin

You would have thought that the Spectator would have learnt its lesson from the thirties, but clearly not.

from Wiki:”I general however, Harris supported Neville Chamberlain’s policy of appeasement, praising the Munich agreement, explaining later that he believed “even the most desperate attempt to save the peace was worthwhile”.[

For Harris read Nelson.

Churchill was regarded as a liberal by the appeasing Tory Right in the thirties. However you cannot put lipstick on a pig and the readership of the odious rag is nasty and clearly rather supportive of far right.

35. PottyTraining

Hebrew Gematria words that add to number’32’
Meaning

– “the middle part of the Lesser Pentagram Ritual of the Order of the Golden Dawn”

Zionist ‘manipulated’ rebellion and appealing to human ‘inner ape'(apostate) infrastructure destruction, fighting/ blaming immigrants, etc
(wot Satan and his cohorts get up to in end times)

Has to happen but be aware.


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