Say hello to your new UKIP councillor, Boston


4:39 pm - May 4th 2013

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Say hello to the new UKIP councillor for Derby North Boston, Lincolnshire.

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Say hello to your old Labour councillor who believes his mother is a green alien.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9612257.Labour_councillor___My_real_mother_is_a_green_alien_/

Class!

@1 I did wonder who Andrew Kadir-Buxton aka ‘RedRoseAndy’ had perfected his mental health cure upon, I guess now I know.

If this level of knowledge is the norm in UKIP, it is perhaps better that Nigel Farridge has not attended EU Fisheries Committee meetings despite accepting payment for his role on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0M4hExU-tfg

5. white trash

UKIP may be smug at the moment, but my feeling is that many of their councillors will go the way of most of the BNP ones, ie they will be crap!

What’ll happen then if the penny finally drops that writing an X in a box by the side of some idiot or conman’s name every few years is a useless waste of time and that we’re running out of options fast – who knows?

A year or so back Roy Hattersley was astonished to be told that Adam Smith had written a book called the Theory of Moral Sentiments.

Not quite as stupid as the tuna idea but then she is a councilor and he had actually been Shadow Chancellor.

7. Liam McNeilly

Neither Derby nor Nottingham in their Labour gains elected a single UKIP Councillor. Ransome has stood in other elections in Derby in the past but won her seat in Lincolnshire yesterday. Just a little research would go a long way.

I’ll give her two months before she quits.

9. Richard Carey

Next they’ll be believing in flying horses.

10. So Much for Subtlety

So we have a bunch of people who claim to be on the side of the ordinary people objecting when an ordinary person is elected? Socialism in Britain has often had a touch of a class tinge – the Vicar’s wife telling the poor what to do with their lives. That is why the Left has always been upset when the poor are not sufficiently deferential.

SMFS: being poor/working class doesn’t entail being a complete fucking moron. There is no hypocrisy in mocking idiots who attain power, irrespective of their origins.

I’m baffled as to why Tim thinks a 200 year old book where an economist writes about morals is something it’s shameful not to know about though. Should Fattersley be obliged to know all the works of Jane Austen? If not, what’s the difference?

Was gonna say, pretty sure Derbyshire hadn’t elected a UKIP.

@Worstall, I think you’re talking on a different level there. I’ve been a vegan for 22 years and even I know that tuna is a fish.

As for Hattersley, I really don’t accept that a shadow chancellor, former or otherwise, should necessarily know everything that Adam Smith ever wrote.

SMFS: So we have a bunch of people who claim to be on the side of the ordinary people objecting when an ordinary person is elected?

Wow, you think ‘ordinary people’ are stupid too? That’s some faith in British people you have there.

14. MarkAustin

@11. John B

“I’m baffled as to why Tim thinks a 200 year old book where an economist writes about morals is something it’s shameful not to know about though. Should Fattersley be obliged to know all the works of Jane Austen? If not, what’s the difference?”

Because the right wing idiots like Hattersley who reverently quote “Wealth of nations” don’t know that Adam Smith was a moral philosopher who believed in the rights and duties of people

@14. MarkAustin
Anyone who has read “Wealth of Nations” would know that Smith was a moral philosopher who was in favour of Heritance Tax and Corporate Responsibility.

6. Tim Worstall
Roy Hattersley was a Councillor in 1956.

“Because the right wing idiots like Hattersley who reverently quote “Wealth of nations” don’t know that Adam Smith was a moral philosopher who believed in the rights and duties of people”

It’s also because on the particular show (radio I think) that Hattersley was on he had been slagging off Smith for only thinking about the mechanics of economics and wealth creation and done nothing about the morals of such.

He was entirely unaware of the other half of the ouevre which discussed exactly what he thought Smith had missed.

17. the a&e charge nurse

[13] ‘Wow, you think ‘ordinary people’ are stupid too?’ – we are all stupid, some are just too stupid to realise it

One of the reasons that I have become a bit disillusioned with the left is that it seems to be populated by immature mudslingers and miserable gits. At times it seems that every other item I read here is some sort of personal attack. Some are topical, informative and fully deserved but many seem childish and silly. Perhaps I need a leftie sense of humour implant?

16. Tim Worstall
The Adam Smith Institute dont seem to no that eva

20. Richard Carey

@ 18 Ivan D,

I suggest you check out Rufus Hound’s “defence” of his smutty remark to Louise Mensch before you make any firm decision on having a “leftie humour implant” – a dangerous medical procedure indeed. You may end up like Marcus Brigstock.

Richard: are you seriously denying that “sucking Murdoch’s cock” is a gender-neutral-but-largely-applied-to-males epithet that’s been a staple of the Anglo-Australian-American left for two generations? Because to deny that is the only way you can interpret Mensch’s comments as anything other than lunacy.

22. David Jones

Sign this for UKIP to take part in the 2015 Election TV debates, it has passed 10,000 signatures

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/43153

13. Sunny.

Not it’s not that the public are stupid. It’s that they are human. I speak with colleges and are very surprised that they don’t know things I know. Sometimes it’s something nearly as obvious as Tuna, other times it’s a bit more complex. But I think, are they really that stupid that they don’t know that and they have a PhD too.

The point is that the UKIP and Labour councillors are normal people. With all their failings and all.

It’s not a sign that we don’t have any faith in people, it’s that we understand that they are normal people rather than up their own arse in their self importance.

IF we’re banging on about how thick people are, have a look at where the Daily Mail thinks Manchester is – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319355/Workshy-map-Britain-revealed-Thousands-incapacity-benefit-claimants-capable-working.html

25. So Much for Subtlety

11. John B

being poor/working class doesn’t entail being a complete fucking moron. There is no hypocrisy in mocking idiots who attain power, irrespective of their origins.

She is not being attacked for being poor or for being a moron. She is being attacked for her lack of education. This sort of question is precisely what the IQ test was supposed to have problems with – middle class bias. How many working class British people do you think have ever seen a tuna? You see the difference?

13. Sunny Hundal

Wow, you think ‘ordinary people’ are stupid too? That’s some faith in British people you have there.

We have yet to see evidence of stupidity. We have evidence of a woeful education. No more. That seems to be enough for a bunch of well educated middle class people to launch a personal and spiteful attack on her. Not on her policies or ideas, but on her personally.

As for the question itself, intelligence has a Bell distribution more or less. Half of everyone is going to be under the mean. Most of them will be ordinary. So what?

26. Charlieman

@25. So Much for Subtlety: “As for the question itself, intelligence has a Bell distribution more or less.”

Consequently, why bother thinking because there are others who can think on our behalf and leave it to experts.

27. Richard Carey

@ 22 John B,

“Richard: are you seriously denying that …”

My comment contains nothing which could be interpreted as a denial of anything. I called Rufus Hound’s tweet “smutty”, which it undoubtedly is.

OK she’s a thick person. How we hate thick people.
Sunny has said before that he loathes high street bookmaker shops. Probably because thick people hang out in them.
She’s 26 and knows bugger all. Just like so many people. Only a minority of people read books or serious newspapers. Radio 4’s average listener age is 65 or something.

There was a short vox-pop on the Today Programme the other day, about the Boston Linconshire UKIP result and they talked to ordinary people in the town who voted for UKIP. They sounded thick and ”racist” and said things like ”there are too many Eastern Europeans in the town and they always stick together”. Another said that the local newspaper was full of court and crime reports about people with those ”unpronounceable names”.
The thing I pick up from people who sneer at such people is that they should be ignored and overlooked as they are just ”too thick” to have valuable opinions.

There was a report yesterday that said that white Britons have a tendency to move away from the most diverse areas, which then become even less white.

A “retreat” of white Britons from areas where minorities live is limiting cultural integration, according to research by think tank Demos. Analysis of Census 2011 figures show that 45% of ethnic minorities in England and Wales live in areas where less than half the population is white British, while 41% live in wards that are less than half white.

Trevor Phillips, former chairman of the Equalities Commission and Demos Associate, said white Britons choosing not to live in minority-dominated areas “ought to make us a little anxious”. He said: “This very interesting piece of research reveals a number of vital findings about how people in England and Wales are living together. First, it shows a kind of ‘Ambridge effect’ – a welcome minority advance into areas previously only the preserve of the white majority.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/06/white-britons-culturally-segregated_n_3221276.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

> he had been slagging off Smith for only thinking about the mechanics of economics and wealth creation and done nothing about the morals of such.

So he confused Smith with his disciples. The people who spout Smith’s name reverentially have ALWAYS ignored the moral side of his work (and, hell, a good chunk of the economic side).

30. white trash

@Makhno 29 – totally. The way all the libtards try and pervert Smith to their own uses is twisted.

I like this Smith quote, which pretty much sums up our post-Thatcher cartelised, monopolist and cronyist situation:

“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations: An Inquiry into the Nature & Causes of the Wealth of Nations

28

‘There was a report that said white Britons have a tendency to move away from the most diverse areas’.

I suppose this is why there is a growning number of house owners in Kensington & Chelsea who are not white British.

32. white trash

@steveb – sounds like you’re trying to stir up some confusion here.

K&C is an exceptional area that bears very little relation to the experience of ordinary white or bme communities in Britain today.

Fact is everybody’s trying to bury their heads in the sand over the White Flight problem we have raised up now in the UK.

I can tell you from my own direct personal experience, that a region which is “hideously white” is experiencing and will continue to experience increasing immigration from white people who are trying to escape modern, multicultural Britain.

I know this after spending a few years in a leafy, overwhelmingly white region, and keeping my ear to the ground, listening to people.

In addition to the already growing race and ethnicity paranoia of locals who are ready to believe any and every horror story they hear about the usual bogeys of house- and job-stealing, “like a foreign land”, gibberish (sic), drugs, crime etc etc, the legions of local prejudice are being reinforced by a regular stream of arrivals purveying and spreading the same, or even stronger resentments against non-Anglos.

This country is already massively segregated, and it is getting worse every day. Every day the resentments are getting harder.

Wake up people!

32

I would say that K&C is a diverse area and there are increasing numbers of home-owners who are not white British, so where is the confusion? The confusion lies with statements about social and geographical mobility which do not take account of ‘class’.

32

There’s a good article in The Guardian about the so-called ‘white flight’ and class’ – ‘Ethnic Middle-class join the white flight’ (2008) might be worth a read.

35. white trash

Maybe we have crossed wires, steveb. My point was that K&C is a totally unrepresentative area in that it is one of the most concentrated areas of wealth in the country. Of course wealth tends to correlate with an internationalist outlook, post-racist if you like.

You are spot on that class is a crucial factor in understanding the horrendous situation that’s being created here.

It appears that UKIP voters tend to be the poorer and less well educated sections of society – and they are far more numerous and widespread than the wealthy, cosmopolitan few.

The xenophobes may not have much, but they do have numbers overwhelmingly on their side.

35

The real problem is that the Labour Party have stopped believing in the working-class so there really isn’t a mainstream political party to represent them. But identifying ‘race’ or ‘ethnicity’ as the problem will not further the cause of the working-class, whether they be white, brown, black or yellow.

37. white trash

Steve, of course the Labour Party gave up on the working class a while ago; the wretched chaps will insist on being so uncouth. That’s partly why Labour imported so many people from other countries, in the misguided hope that they’d be grateful to Labour and a more pliable client group than the awkward squad of the British working class.

“But identifying ‘race’ or ‘ethnicity’ as the problem will not further the cause of the working-class, whether they be white, brown, black or yellow.”

Obviously, you know that, I know that, but the real trouble is, do ill-educated and desperate people know that? Can they identify the real enemy?

Probably not.

And therein lies the problem.

38. Weed Killa

TUNA is A_NUT (occultly backward)

What do they get up to in them ‘Fishy’ Boston parts?

39. Weed Killa

“Obviously, you know that, I know that, but the real trouble is, do ill-educated and desperate people know that? Can they identify the real enemy?

Probably not.

And therein lies the problem.”
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There is a zionist overclass running and ruining this country – end of!

40. Tremor Mendous

13. Sunny Hundal
“Wow, you think ‘ordinary people’ are stupid too? That’s some faith in British people you have there.”

Much as I’d like to think the British people are clever – they do keep voting for the most base morons to lead them!

Sonny, have you considered you might be surrounded by feckless idiots? – I certainly have based on the banal conversations I hear people having.

However – I do agree it takes an exceptional form of idiot to stand in an election – far ‘better’ than we ordinary morons.


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