Remember when the Right celebrated death of politician?


by Sunny Hundal    
2:12 pm - April 10th 2013

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Right-wingers are today up in arms about the lack of respect shown by all citizens of Britain to Margaret Thatcher.

It turns out not everyone was as enamoured by Dear Leader and Supreme Master as everyone else. Shocking, I know. And what about having respect for a dead one?

It turns out that not many on the Right were so respectful to the dead, especially when it’s a former Labour leader. (ht @primlystable)

These are the editorials the Daily Mail ran in the paper just two days after it was announced Michael Foot had died.


(click the picture for a bigger version, ht @paulmison)

In the blogosphere it wasn’t much better.

Guido Fawkes – currently hyper-ventilating at people who aren’t showing Thatcher respect – blogged that Foot had died too. Just one line, nothing actually said otherwise marking his achievements.

Comments were not deleted of course. If they were serious about being respectful to the dead, deleting comments (or closing them) wouldn’t have taken long at all.

And this is how many on the right greeted Michael Foot’s death.

And was there any condemnation for such sentiments? I looked but I couldn’t find any.
(ht to @primlystable for spotting this)

UPDATE: @soylentish took screenshots of some wonderfully hypocritical tweets by prominent right-wingers.

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Right Wing hypocrisy?

Never!

Making the commenters on Guido standard bearers for ‘the Right’ is like making sally and Jim standard bearers for ‘the Left’.

As for the Mail editorial, I’m not sure it’s particularly different to the Guardian’s front page talk of Thatcher’s ‘dark legacy’.

Thanks for this – was looking for the hypocrisy and you have saved me the time.

Ahh, Tim J, you never fail to make excuses.

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!!1

SO if the people in Guidos comments represent *right wingers* does that mean people who leave comments on Lib Con are representative of the left on say, the age of consent ? http://kebabtime.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/tight-comment-policy.html

7. Jonathan Bagley

In a democracy, all complaints should be directed at the electorate: particularly when they elect the same person three times.

The Mail pieces are very poor.

The Hannan column seems fine.

Though neither (even the Mail) appears “celebratory”.

4 – where’s the excuse? Guido’s commenters are generally vile. Some of yours are too, but then that’s the internet. I don’t think either of them should be held as representing the left or the right.

6 – oh look, it’s Jim.

8cjcj, I thought Hannah’s comments were poor, and don’t forget the jack jones and Chavez slanders by the right wing extremists

12. Planeshift

@Tim – yep, but the same logic applies to the Mail etc using the thatcher parties to paint every left wing person with the same brush. Was always going to happen. I’m being philosophical about the whole thing. At the end of the day politics creates high passions and over-exitement. Tony Benn is the one who has got this right – don’t personalise it, debate issues not people. Although if we are honest we all probably fall short of this ideal at times.

TBF – i’ll defo have a party when Gordon dies but just couldn’t be bothered with Foot as he was just irrelevant.

And when I think of the unholy glee expressed by some on the Right when Chavez died……!!!

15. Shatterface

Frankly I’m more disgusted to see Thatcherites like Blair and Millipede pretending to represent the poor while gushing their admiration for her. Blair in particular verged on the necrophilic: they’ll have to bury her deep – and sow up her orifices.

Interesting that comments on blogs are now seen to represent the views of the blog owner – something to bare in mind the next time Sally or Bob B spew their Jew-hatred.

Foot himself was a hopeless politician. Probably a good man and definitely an interesting literary figure – but useless as a leader of the Labour Party.

I missed the “glee”.

Personally I say that if you hated the person when they were alive, then don’t give a brilliant eulogy when they are dead. Be consistent.

As for Guido’s commentators. He’s said that unless something is illegal (libel, etc) he won’t delete. The opposite is Richard Murphy’s blog were even comments that just point his mistakes get deleted. So yes, you will get nutters on Guido’s blog, but that is nothing to do with Paul himself personally.

Taking the piss out of lefties celebrating Maggie death is just fine. Just as you will do when righties celebrate the death of Brown or Blair.

Bob talked of the Orwellian anti thatcher hate. In a way he is right but the real 1984 nightmare is uncritical and mind numbing adoration. This is certainly true of many on the the right and Mrs T. Read the threads and her defenders never admits she was wrong on anything. Even gods are wrong now and then.
I have seen facebook pages , with my Hero, I would die for her. They have more in common with the slavish North Korea than they think.

19. Daniel Factor

Actually I’m fed up with the smug white middle class “OHH ARN’T WE DARING?” faces. That picture of those kids holding up Socialist Worker placards with big smiles on their faces, you just know they are loving being in front of the cameras.
The middle class “left-wing” are telling us working classes something we already knew about Thatcher and if they think they are being radical by celebrating her death right in front of the mainstream Thatcher loving media they are terribly mistaken.

“i’ll defo have a party when Gordon dies but just couldn’t be bothered with Foot as he was just irrelevant.”
Why, because he wanted to give your nanny a state funeral.

21. the a&e charge nurse

I thought etiquette after the death of a significant politico required
po-faced platitudes publicly, then an absolute free for all once safely ensconced behind closed doors?

“Blair in particular verged on the necrophilic: they’ll have to bury her deep – and sow up her orifices.”
He never really said that did he. YUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKK

“Though neither (even the Mail) appears “celebratory”.”
Classic not celebratory. I hate to know what is restrained and objective in your sad world.
Can’t wait for the comments on the funeral.
Sad little North Koreans lining the Mall wailing and shaking their mini flags, or even saluting the coffin as it passes on its way to the mausoleum where the state’s heroes are entombed

“I thought etiquette after the death of a significant politico required
po-faced platitudes publicly, then an absolute free for all once safely ensconced behind closed doors?”

I thought it was “respect” from death to funeral, as the general rule.
(Not just for politicos.)
Free for all after that.

Let the free for all commence…

Just as you will do when righties celebrate the death of Brown or Blair.

Surely lefties will be celebrating Blair’s passing!

The only criticism from the right about Mrs T is that she didn’t go far enough.
Like Stalinists saying the moustached one should have sent more to the gulag

27. Daniel Factor

The Mail is secretly celebrating because they can use Thatcher’s death to crow about lefites.

28. Daniel Factor

Blair killed thousands alongside he’s lover Bush. I’ll celebrate when he dies.

Poor old Blair.
No-one to mourn him.
He has the amazing distinction of been hated by both right and left.
Love to see his epitaph

P Diddy: ‘They have more in common with the slavish North Korea than they think.’

I remember back in the Thatcher years, when she started to get huge standing orations at party conferences, I said to a Tory party member that it was all a bit too reminiscent of Stalin’s time. He said that party members were starting to think that too.

I agree Dr Paul.
I am not a lefty but I do like the fact the labour party has always hated it’s leaders. Even John Smith was disliked by many. Even Kinnocks sheffied rally, the nearest to thatcher style adoration had so many elements of farce, many were laughing instead of cheering.

30 or Sinn Fein leaders

33. Badstephen

A further hypocrisy in the Littlejohn piece, rubbishing Foot for “sitting out the Second World War”. Thatcher’s own war service, or lack thereof, has been something of an elephant in the room over the last few days. Aged 18 in 1943, with a year to fill before a deferred place at Oxford, she chose to go back to school. Not the ATS, not land service, certainly not factory work. One of her biographers charitably describes the decision as “a little odd”. Littlejohn claims that Foot’s similar non-participation was borderline cowardice.
In the end Oxford brought forward the place by a year. Thatcher promptly accepted the offer, knowing she would not now have to curtail her degree for National Service.
I’ve often wondered if this was the real reason why the Queen, who at least learned how to fix trucks, had such distaste for her. It certainly beats me why she’s getting a military funeral. Strange how those who have never seen active combat – her, Reagan, Blair, Bush Jnr – show most enthusiasm for pushing others into it. Bush Snr had flown combat missions – possibly why Thatcher was keener on Gulf War I than he was.

Did Littlejohn serve his country.
Did the Sun journos who hid behind the head line “Gotcha” when 300 conscripts died and ra-ra us to war serve
No,most journos are like the white feather gang in the first world war.
Vile profession.

Remember when the Tories were dancing in the street when Foot died? Oh wait, that never happened.

It’s one thing to say someone was wrong about everything such as the articles you have shown people said about Foot (such as the Mail article). Some lefties did do this (such as Ken Livingston on Newsnight).

That is not what the people who have been dancing in the street have done.

If Foot had become Prime Minister, Britain would be richer, more equal, more libertarian and have good public services.

No wonder the scum hated him.

37. Matt Wardman

I haven’t noticed the mainstream “Left” dancing on anyone’s grave today.

It seems just to be the radical fruitcake tendency, which is really a little small, though I’m sure they want to be thought of as “The Left”.

Some MPs have stayed away – fair enough, their right to make a gesture. Personally I’d have had the commemoration on the 1st day back.

“Remember when the Tories were dancing in the street when Foot died? Oh wait, that never happened”
No, but I bet there were many drinks downed in golf clubs around the country.

“I haven’t noticed the mainstream “Left” dancing on anyone’s grave today.”
True
Most lefties have been low profile.
In fact I think this upsets the righties more than anything.

@ #31 p.diddy
As an “old fool”, I can remember the Labour Party liking its leader (Clem) but also the brainless adulation of the fourteenth Mr Wilson because he had (just) won an election: in 1965 the only person in college with whom I could have a rational conversation on politics was the secretary of the university communist club.
Your connection with reality seems somewhat less than tenuous

@ #38 p.diddy
No, why on earth should that have happened? Michael Foot, like Michael Howard, was a handicap to his party.
You are obviously unaware that most golf clubs in Scotland and many in northern England are municipally-owned and that golf is a sport open to the working class – unless you are suggesting that left-wingers would be celebrating Foot’s demise.
I thoroughly disagreed with Michael Foot on policies but I did respect his integrity as did millions of working-class Labour supporters. I believe that if drinks were downed in Scots golf clubs they were to honour his memory

@ #37 Matt Wardman
Try checking the BBC website. Seven police injured when they were called in by residents to protect them from a “death of Thatcher celebration” that set stuff on fire

43. Matt Wardman

@John77

I said “mainstream left” with great care.

The denizens of Indymedia and the miniscule groupscules behind the most of the contemporary “protest movement” are anything but mainstream.

44. Matt Wardman

Pah. Spelling – sorry. Groupuscule.

Typical right wing hypocrisy. Respect for the dead joins …….taxes, laws, morality.

They’re only for the little people.

Not for the sanctimonious right wing bullies.

Oh, and by the way if the shit hits the fan next Wednesday the tories and the tory media will be to blame.

They chose to politicize her death.

47. Laughing At The Left

So Sunny invites you round his flat for a celebration and when you get there, you find no booze or dancing, but he does invitesyou to sit down with him and read a tabloid opinion piece together. “But it’s exactly the same, innit?!”, he opines. Risible effort, Hundal, just risible.

48. Richard Evans

Funnily enough though there are no reports of parties celebrating the death, intentions to urinate on the grave, songs being bought to celebrate the death or people stating the intention to disrupt the funeral.

There’s a major difference for you

49. Richard Evans

#38 P.Diddy I should think most people who knew of him read that Foot had died, thought “Thank Christ he never ran the country” and then turned to see what was on TV.

Most under 50′s wouldn’t have a clue who he was

“Most under 50?s wouldn’t have a clue who he was”

One illuminating insight is that Foot was a co-author of: Guilty Men (1940), a polemic directed against 15 men for so-called appeasement policies in the 1930s which had unintentionally encouraged Germany, Italy and Japan to engage in aggressive policies that eventually led to war.

Foot, as Labour leader after Callaghan had resigned the leadership in October 1980, was the recipient of a 22-page letter in 1982 from Tony Blair. In that 22-page letter, the 29-year-old Mr Blair tells Foot how reading Marx had “irreversibly altered” his outlook.

He also praises Tony Benn, agreeing with the left-winger’s analysis that Labour’s right-wing was bankrupt.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5081798.stm

Whether intended on not, Blair duly became the Labour candidate for the Beaconsfield byelection in 1982 at which he presented as his personal statement an early version of what became the Labour Manifesto for the general election in September 1983. This was the manifesto that Gerald Kaufman described as “the longest suicide note in history”.

Had Labour won that election, the government would have been committed to unilateral nuclear disarmament, negotiating withdrawal from the, as then, European Common Market, and taking the commanding heights of the economy into public ownership.

The Conservatives won that election with an increased majority of 140 seats. Foot resigned as Labour leader and Kinnock took over. Blair was successfully elected to Parliament in the 1983 election for the Sedgefield constituency.

Trust Sally to provide some humour. LOL.

It’s was the right’s fault for politicising her death that caused the weak willed extreme left to go around dancing in the streets and breaking the windows of charity shops? Pull the other one.

And Sunny, there is a difference between people saying how much they hate Thatcher (even at Glenda’s level) and actually going around and committing violent actions. Make sure that you don’t go too far in trying to shift blame away from the rabble. I’ve never seen the right commit violent acts from the death of a leftie (though please correct me if you know otherwise). It would be nice to see an article deriding what the extremists on your side are doing.

52. margin4error

I suspect the right has been desperate for Thatcher to di8e for quite some time now, as they’ve not had much chance to revel in electoral success since she departed the scene, and they’ve achieved nothing of note for the country since those days.

As such they’ve been waiting for their chance to laud Thatcher, antagonise the left AND take a moral high ground that they don’t occupy over evil lefties speaking ill of the dead by not blindly lauding her as an angel sent down from heaven.

It has probably been of great ire to said right wing nut-jobs that so few people of prominence of value have said anything they can really criticise. So they are instead criticising rather blindly, any notion of anyone bring critical – whoever they might be.

53. margin4error

Bob B

“Had Labour won that election, the government would have been committed to unilateral nuclear disarmament, negotiating withdrawal from the, as then, European Common Market, and taking the commanding heights of the economy into public ownership.”

Withdrawal from Europe is back on the table thanks to David Cameron (their heir to Foot?) and the commanding heights of the economy (Banks?) have been nationalised (Gordon Brown)

Which is odd really, because that means the only one of those three to persist is the one of least importance to the UK’s well-being – that nuclear disarmament is not on the agenda.

54. Robin Levett

@all those pointing out that there weren’t street parties when Foot died:

Aren’t you missing the point? Foot never became Prime Minister; arguably his leadership of the Labour Party smoothed the way for Thatcher in the early years of her Premiership. The Right therefore have no reason for resentment against the man – nothing to throw a street party about; yet they went to town on his memory within a couple of days of his death.

The same Right that today criticises the Left for not respecting Baroness Thatcher’s memory, had no problem disrespecting Foot’s memory despite having far less cause to do so.

@Bob B – interesting background there to Mr Lynton Blair. Over at Capitalists @ Work we’ve been speculating about the what ifs and revising history somewhat; also, on BBC Parliament channel the other day they re-ran the 1983 election night extravaganza and what surprised me was the relative HUGE vote share the SDP/Alliance got. There was only 675,985 votes between them and the Labour Party and both received over 25% of the vote.

I’m not calling Kaufmann an idiot (well, not for his suicide remark) but I think it’s a highly flippant diversion as to the fracture that the Fab 4 caused. Perhaps portentious of the UKIPping farago that must really shit young Cameron up in the wee small hours. Just a thunk.

56. fifthcolumnblue

Come on folks, you are being silly.

Everyone knows that free speech and the right to express an opinion are exclusive priveleges of the right.

We lefties need to take our medicine in silence.

“A new statue for Baroness Thatcher has moved a step closer after Westminster Council indicated they would give a green light to plans. ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9986422/Thatcher-statue-in-Westminster-will-be-given-go-ahead.html

Did I say canonisation? It is looking more and more like deification in the way that Imperial Rome used to deify its emperors. The said statute will soon become a shrine.

Who would think that Mrs T was effectively sacked by her own cabinet in 1990?

The criticism I have seen has been of people holding street parties or calling on people to “rejoice”.

If you want to show hypocrisy then surely you need to show that right wingers also held street parties or called on people to “rejoice” when Foot died (and were not criticised for it).

Alternatively, if all that happened when Foot died was newspaper articles attacking him, you’d need to show that right-wingers are today “up in arms” about the many newspaper articles which today attack Thatcher in order to show hypocrisy.

So they didn’t actually hold street parties then? So your ‘parallel’ is not really a parallel.

Even if it were a real parallel, this is another of those infantile ‘well they do it do’ posts. So what exactly is it intended to establish – apart from that your opponents are hypocrites while your side are not, obviously?

There’s something not just horrible but rather pathetic about actually going out into the street to celebrate the death of an old person who has been suffering from dementia and has been out of power for decades. It actually speaks of impotence more than triumph.

Glee or childish whataboutism is misplaced and reflects worse on those engaging in it than on the person it’s aimed at.

Believe it it or not, it’s possible to ignore Thatcher’s death and funeral and not have to engage in paying compliments or mouthig platitudes you don’t feel – without showing yourself up as a juvenile or a bloodthirsty savage.

I didn’t much care for Thatcher, but I’m not going to demean myself or death from dementia by joining in the pitiful public gloating that a sick, stupid minority have engaged in and which you seem rather lamely to be trying to excuse here.

@59 – very noble indeed. I’ve worked for the Tory party on mulitple elections, bust a gut in all of them, gone insane a few times as 100+ hour weeks for 6 months tends to make one a bit of a walking vegetable able only to talk about constituencies, wards, personalities, opponents and stuff which bores the hell out of normal people. Every conversation is started with the thought in your head ‘what’s this guy’s angle, what do they want’ and moves quickly into ‘get the hell away from me’ and I can categorically state I have zero problem with people having a party, should that be their want.

I’ve got some bloody good Labour pals but they know it’s a contact sport and it’s the job of all professionals in any party you care to name to destroy the opposition, to stamp on their head until they die, to kill them at the first sign of blood, to work constantly to undermine them, to watch their careers be ended and then, when the dust settles, to buy them a pint and give the glib consolation of ‘better luck next time’. If you’re offended at people celebrating Thatcher’s death, good on ya, you’re a better man than me – frankly, I say, fair play, she kicked Labour so hard that they’re still upset – I think she can take that as a victory dance.

The Guido blog comments are celebratory but is Guido really responsible for all puerile comments? If you could be bothered to look you could probably find plenty of anti-Thatcher comments on Guido’s blog too.

Of the others the only celebratory one is the last one from “Conservative News”. The others fall into the category of being critical hut not celebratory and I think there is an important distinction.

“If you’re offended at people celebrating Thatcher’s death,”

Please don’t patronise me. I’m not ‘offended’, I just think it’s rather pitiful to celebrate the death of an old person after a long illness, and it reflects badly on the humanity of those doing it. Same as I would about anyone raising a glass to the death of Michael Foot.

I didn’t like Hugo Chavez, for instance, but I wasn’t gloating about his cancer and I had pity for his suffering as a human being if no sympathy for him as a politician.

I also think it’s lame that Sunny is once again lowering himself to the level of a surly teenager with his ‘but they do it too’ routine – quite aside from the fact that he’s not even drawing an accurate parallel.

63. Robin Levett

@hobson & Lamia:

My point is a simple one; the Left’s lack of respect for the dead gives the Right no right to the moral high ground they claim. The Right isn’t just criticising the street parties because they celebrate Thatcher’s death; they are criticising the street parties because they show lack of respect for the dead “before she’s even been buried” as Baroness Buscombe has just put it on PM (in relation to “Ding Dong”). But the Right was showing lack of respect for the Left’s leaders before they’d even been buried only 3 years ago; even as inoffensive a leader as Foot.

@63 Your point is far from simple Robin. You’re attempting to conflate singing “ding dong the witch is dead” with a critical newspaper column, by lumping them together under the label “showing a lack of respect”. In fact they are very different things.

It’s not disrespectful to say a politician was wrong about everything. We’re all entitled to believe Maggie Thatcher, or indeed Michael Foot, was wrong about everything, whether they’ve been dead 20 years or 20 minutes. That’s politics.

Singing a jolly song to celebrate someone’s death, or organising a party, is a different matter.

I don’t much mind people holding a party to celebrate Thatcher’s death. But if someone does mind then they may be oversensitive, they may be wrong, but they are not hypocritical just because a Daily Mail columnist once said Michael Foot was wrong.

65. DumbToryNarrative

@Matt Wardman: Typical, stupid blarite fanboy who presents himself as the mainstream (pseudo)left

Go fuck yourself you fucking right-wing shit eating middle class twat.

66. DumbToryNarrative

@SadbutMadLad: “Extreme left”

Far-right fruitcake.

67. Charlieman

@44. Matt Wardman: “Pah. Spelling – sorry. Groupuscule.”

I thought that you’d made up the word but it is in Chambers.

DumbToryNarrative thought likewise but didn’t have a copy of Chambers on the shelf.

68. Charlieman

Does anyone know whether the invitations have been sent out yet? I only ask because I will be away from home for a couple of days and fear that my servants will steal mine whilst I am absent.

I am also concerned about the route to central London. My car is quite safe, of course. Father’s experiences in 1926 taught us many lessons. I do not fear dissolute youths but their uncouth dress distresses me. And I despair at being driven past those grey monuments where they live. Do they have no taste? The last time I travelled through London — and it would have been the final time, had this funeral not occurred — I failed to spot a branch of Timothy Whites. No wonder then that it is so hard to find a dentist.

Thankfully that bit of the journey will be brief and the ceremony will be managed by good old British bobbies. I may be tempted to knock off one of their helmets, to get into the spirit of things.

On the subject of hats, what will you be wearing?

69. Robin Levett

@hobson #64:

It’s not disrespectful to say a politician was wrong about everything. We’re all entitled to believe Maggie Thatcher, or indeed Michael Foot, was wrong about everything, whether they’ve been dead 20 years or 20 minutes. That’s politics.

Maybe not; but it is disrespectful to call a politician a cowardly “dangerous, deluded hypocrite”.

And I can’t see any street parties mentioned in this Mail article; only complaints about lack of respect and left-wing because the BBC aired criticism of her from her political opponents:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306564/Margaret-Thatcher-dead-Public-anger-BBC-bias.html

Goddam, wadda f*cking pig she was! Wadda f*cking reeking, feculent, supp*rating lesion, a weeping, scabro*s, oozing r*nning-sore! There is not a TRACE of compassion on that fat, vacant, malevolent, petty, graceless coster-monger’s face.

This is a pretty pathetic attempt by the left to try and save their failed image of compassion. “Hey look, the Mail wrote an article criticising Foot after he died! That’s definitely the same as a concentrated campaign to get a song called ‘Ding Dong the Witch is Dead’ to number 1, throw a party in the street and dance on an old woman’s grave, and make plans to disrupt the funeral of an 87 year old woman!” Poor effort, Sunny. Really poor effort. No one thinks the left have any compassion after this farce. Most normal people who aren’t obsessed with ‘revolutions’ just think you’re all a bunch of vindictive, nasty tossers.

Actually, most of the people I know who’ve bought “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead” aren’t ‘political activists’ or the ‘usual suspects’. But then, I live in Yorkshire.

Personally, I’d have preferred “The Day That Thatcher Dies” by Hefner, because it’s a far superior song.

The right only have themselves to blame for this. It’s a reaction to the attempts to enforce the idea that this is a time of “national mourning”. The campaign is as much a ‘fuck you’ to that as anything else.

73. Damian Colman

The Daily Mail taking the moral high ground is like Hitler opening a Hospice…

Actually, the Michael Foot incident is relatively mild compared to some of what they publish.

Jan Moir’s comments on Stephen Gately for example. “The sugar coating on this fatality is so saccharine-thick that it obscures whatever bitter truth lies beneath. Healthy and fit 33-year-old men do not just climb into their pyjamas and go to sleep on the sofa, never to wake up again”.

Or Richard Littlejohn, a man who recently hounded a transwoman to suicide and had this to say about the prostitutes murdered in Ipswich. “In the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss. They weren’t going to discover a cure for cancer or embark on missionary work in Darfur. The only kind of missionary position they undertook was in the back seat of a car”.

Unlike Thatcher, none of the deaths here were of people whose politics had a real effect on people’s lives. So I’ll take no fucking lectures on morality from the right, thanks very much.

“The right only have themselves to blame for this. It’s a reaction to the attempts to enforce the idea that this is a time of “national mourning”. The campaign is as much a ‘fuck you’ to that as anything else.”

Bull. The street parties, taunting and gloating were going to take place regardless of the reactions of the right to Thatcher’s death. And you know it. Suggesting this is merely a reaction to right wing outpourings about Thatcher’s death is plain dishonest and not credible. Thinking some people are over-praising and being over-respectful of a person who has died doesn’t make decent people decided to hold street parties about that person’s death as a protest about that. I thought the left’s praise of Chavez after his death was greatly overblown, but that didn’t make me want to gloat about the fact or manner of his death.

You are trying to dress up juvenile spite as some kind of lofty principled protest. Epic fail.

Bull. The street parties, taunting and gloating were going to take place regardless of the reactions of the right to Thatcher’s death. And you know it. Suggesting this is merely a reaction to right wing outpourings about Thatcher’s death is plain dishonest and not credible

I didn’t say merely. But, without it, we’d have seen nothing on this kind of scale. Note that I was talking mainly about the “Ding Dong” campaign. There is no way that the far left has the ability to mobilise enough numbers to get a song into the top ten like that. Unless you’re using “left” to mean “people who heavily disliked Thatcher” in which case it a) becomes rather circular and b) covers most of the North and Scotland.

I thought the left’s praise of Chavez after his death was greatly overblown, but that didn’t make me want to gloat about the fact or manner of his death.

That’s because it’s an entirely different context. Chavez has had no effect on the internal politics of the UK. Unless you have friends and/or family in Venezuela, you simply have no more emotional stake in Chavez then I do.

You are trying to dress up juvenile spite as some kind of lofty principled protest. Epic fail.

You’re arguing with a claim I haven’t made, so yeah, I guess you have successfully defeated that windmill.

I don’t suggest it’s a “lofty principled protest”. (Some of the anti-cuts stuff in London yes, street parties and Facebook campaigns, no). I suggest it’s motivated by hatred for Thatcher. Which I don’t have a problem with and don’t think has magically appeared because the left have suddenly massively grown in significance. It’s happening because people, rightly, saw Thatcher as their enemy. And I’m amused by the sudden claims for politically correct behaviour from the right. The right are obviously really upset by this. Which is an added bonus.

Besides, without this, what would we have? Cameron’s attempt to present this as a time of national mourning. I’m glad that’s been fucked up royally. Far more then I care about offending prissy types.

Yep. The right wing are moronic scum. Surprise surprise.

“The street parties, taunting and gloating were going to take place regardless of the reactions of the right to Thatcher’s death. And you know it. Suggesting this is merely a reaction to right wing outpourings about Thatcher’s death is plain dishonest and not credible”
And a state funeral for you righties, sorry ceremonial. It didn’t help. Anyway Lamia nanny has gone now, Dave or Boris will get rid of the nasty lefty bogeymen.


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    [...] at Liberal Conspiracy Sunny Hundal is peddling his usual schoolyard-level analytical line regarding the vile lefties celebrating Maggie Thatcher’s death. i.e., attack the attackers by [...]

  3. Guido Fawkes rails for censorship at the BBC | Liberal Conspiracy

    [...] was only earlier this week I pointed out the hypocrisy of right-wingers when it came to honouring dead [...]

  4. A tribute? Not on her terms. | Hope and History Rhyme

    [...] like any other in Westminster, and the rank hypocrisy of the right (Sunny Hundal’s piece here is well worth a look, though) then yesterday should still concern those who hope for a future [...]

  5. The Right Celebrated In a Similar Way When Michael Foot Died | ukgovernmentwatch

    [...] http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/04/10/the-time-when-right-wingers-celebrated-the-death-of-a-politi… [...]

  6. As Thatcher is defeated by death, best show her how to be magnanimous. | Bedford Burrow

    [...] The time when right-wingers celebrated the death of a politician (liberalconspiracy.org) [...]

  7. You party if you want to; this lad’s not for partying | gedmar

    [...] People have responded to the above by arguing that the Daily Mail and other papers have celebrated the death of left-wing leaders. That the Daily Mail gloats at death. That the Daily Mail is morally repugnant. But we already knew this, did we not? Since when can we justify our moral acts simply by the virtue of others’ actions. Once again, the argument does not make sense to me. It is, in fact, disheartening to learn that members on the left of politics – who, by and large, believe in dignity, equality and social justice – are making the case against dignity in death and against equal moral self-worth. It is disheartening to learn that people celebrating the death of an elderly woman are basing their justifications on actions from the Daily Mail. [...]





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