Meet the other ‘Muslim Patrol’ roaming the streets


by Sunny Hundal    
9:20 am - January 23rd 2013

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Earlier this week you read about the homophobic and fanatical ‘Muslim Patrol‘ harassing residents in East London.

Now meet a different kind: the ‘Muslim Snow Patrol’.

In Newcastle a group of volunteers from the local Islamic Diversity Centre have banded together to help clear residential roads and drives.

Newcastle City Council provided them with gloves, shovels and grit, and directed them to areas most in need.

IDC director Abu Tayeb told Sky News:

[Residents] have been really appreciative of the work that we’re doing. They’ve been a bit surprised at why loads of bearded men have come and tried to help them clear their drives.

As Muslims we believe that it is our Islamic duty to look after our neighbours, especially in these very difficult conditions. We’re trying to remove some of those preconceptions people have about Islam and Muslims by showing that Muslims actually do good things and are trying to help our neighbours.

Meanwhile, Met Police say that two men have been arrested over the incidents in East London.

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Id like to see this news go viral just the way the original ‘Muslim patrol’ went viral. Not.hilding my breathe though.

2. Chris Brennan

Fantastic. Sadly the bosses media will ignore the wonderful work done by mainstream Muslims.

Holding*

And this is news why? “Normal people do normal things…”. It’s no more an Islamic duty than a civic one. The leader in yesterday’s Times made the same point.

Funny, I also bet that if I volunteered, I’d be turned away due to elf and safety, insurance, etc etc.

5. Chaise Guevara

@ Shrugged

“And this is news why? “Normal people do normal things…”. It’s no more an Islamic duty than a civic one. The leader in yesterday’s Times made the same point.”

I don’t think walking from door to door offering to clear drives is particularly normal. Nobody’s ever offered to clear snow off my drive.

“Funny, I also bet that if I volunteered, I’d be turned away due to elf and safety, insurance, etc etc.”

I wasn’t aware that health and safety law and insurance rates were lower for Muslims than for other people. Can you expand?

Also, it’s spelled “health”. You’re welcome.

We had something similar in Gloucester during the floods in 2007, but whatever they put into it, they made £50,000 out of it. Way to dodge interest (which is un-Islamic). The money was given (or ‘granted’, but with no indication that it’s being paid back) to the Al-Ashraf Trust by the city council, but with ‘Severn Trent’ in brackets. It’s unlikely that the cost of provision of bottled water really came to £50,000, so a certain amount of money grew without transgressing Islamic banking laws.

It would be interesting to see if this ‘patrol’ is similarly compensated.

In Newcastle a group of volunteers from the local Islamic Diversity Centre have banded together to help clear residential roads and drives.

What do they think about homosexuals?

send them all back where they belong.. you brits will be better off shoveling your own damned snow.

Did anyone suggest that, because a few Islamic morons are apparently able to act as vigilantes unhindered until an on line news source gets hold of the story, that all Muslims are the same ? Whatever the merits of this particular event it’s irrelevant to the problem that exists with a small but significant number of Muslims who are hostile to British secular society. If there was a similar problem with fundamentalist Christians would you think it important to post a story about a group of Christians organising a church bazaar to raise funds for some worthy cause ?

Shatterface is right. This is good PR but tells us nothing more.

11. Chaise Guevara

@ 9 Thornavis

The problem is that a lot of people DO think most or all Muslims are like this, in part because negative stories get far more press. Counterexamples are important when a minority group can become unfairly perceived. Although I doubt many people with that impression are on this site, the charming Mike excepted, so maybe it’s a bit pointless to put it here.

If we are genuinely concerned about treating all people equally, then I’m not sure we need a ‘news story’ about Muslims doing good things to balance a story about them allegedly doing ‘bad’ things, unless the same balance is applied to Hindus, Catholics, Buddhists etc., etc.
Some people will sometimes do bad things and some people do good things, their colour, creed and ethnicity is largely irrelevant
As an adolescent growing up in the sixties I was expected to help clear the paths/pavements of elderly and widowed neighbours, since it was clearly easier to flourish as a community than as individuals I thought it no more than ‘doing my bit’.
Nobody asked whether I was Anglican, Welsh Baptist, Welsh/English Methodist, Wesleyan, Calvinist or a member of the Apostolic Church.

It’s a trap. Money collected from shoveling went to Islamic charity, aka terrorism

14. Shatterface

Should have called the thread Muslim Patrol countered by Snow Patrol.

Chaise

Can you quantify ‘a lot’ ? If there are a lot of people thinking that, why is it do you think, might it be that the actions of certain Islamists, the words of some supposedly moderate Muslims and the constant apologising for Islamist bigotry which goes on the on the left, give them a degree of cause ? Which was my point, no one would be bothering to post pictures of Muslim volunteer snow cleaners if there wasn’t actually a problem with how Muslims are perceived and that, I’m afraid to say, is something they’ve mostly brought on themselves. Vigilantes roaming the streets of London hardly improve that image and well meaning people saying, “never mind that, look, over there – snow clearers with beards” is just silly and actually helps reinforce prejudice by giving the impression of a desperate attempt to change the subject.

no one would be bothering to post pictures of Muslim volunteer snow cleaners if there wasn’t actually a problem with how Muslims are perceived

Everyone seems to agree on this point, including the snow-patrollers themselves.

well meaning people saying, “never mind that, look, over there – snow clearers with beards” is just silly

Well that’s pretty dishonest, isn’t it? Sunny didn’t say “never mind that”, he put up a post drawing attention to what they were up to and calling them various nasty names.

Regrettably, the “Snow Dawah” initiative is a project of the theocratic organisation iERA. Which is not to say that these volunteers have anything other than good intentions but that the motives of the people behind them are suspect.

18. Kismet Hardy

I expect this photo to resurface without context in some hellhole blog bearing the caption “Jew hating Muslim does Hitler salute”

Well that’s pretty dishonest, isn’t it? Sunny didn’t say “never mind that”, he put up a post drawing attention to what they were up to and calling them various nasty names.

He didn’t put up that original post until long after it had gone mainstream, having first been broken by The Commentator which is a source unlikely ever to get a fair mention here. He then followed it up with a pretty limp story about Muslim snow clearers, isn’t just a bit patronising to suggest that there’s something wonderful about Muslims doing normal stuff ? I don’t think it dishonest to object to that.

http://www.rabwah.net/ahmadi-muslim-youth-help-clear-snow-across-britain/

@ben six – here is a story about a similar initiative organised by the (non-theocratic) Ahmadi.

“They call themselves the Muslim Snow Patrol”.

Come on, you’d pay to see that, just out of curiousity…

Unfortunately, when it comes to homosexuals, and even women, “moderate Muslims” are ‘white blackbird’ rare. And we ‘cockroach infidels’ need to recognise that – particularly when Islam says that a true believer can lie with impunity to an infidel!… We need to limit Islamic immigration…And, moreover, cultural incompatibility does not equal racism.

Why not patrol a muslim country? Is it because they are all third world shit holes and they have to “enrich” us?

i live by a church,and i am thinking of setting up a christian snow patrol if this weather gets any worse.

I might be wrong, but isn’t the ‘Muslims can lie about their faith’ thing more about Shia being allowed to conceal themselves from Sunni, who might be hostile towards them if they knew?

I’ve just remembered that, when I had written a blog post which was exciting little interest over the w/e, my husband observed that I should have written one called ‘Muslims and snow’. And here we have one!

Is it just another case of progressive islamophilia? (an oxymoron) In liberal democracies, we don’t need any Muslim patrol, whether for snow or against minorities. Police patrols should make it.
Baffling how liberal can be so naive about Islamism. Or maybe they look forward to another Muslim Spring, this time kin Britain?

28. Chaise Guevara

@ 15 Thornavis

“Can you quantify ‘a lot’ ?”

I don’t have data to hand on how many people think Muslims are all evil, no. But you see the attitude a lot. Starting with some of the comments on this thread.

“If there are a lot of people thinking that, why is it do you think, might it be that the actions of certain Islamists, the words of some supposedly moderate Muslims and the constant apologising for Islamist bigotry which goes on the on the left, give them a degree of cause ?”

Of course. But you’re missing the point. The actions and words of one Muslim should not be hung around the neck of another Muslim.

“Which was my point, no one would be bothering to post pictures of Muslim volunteer snow cleaners if there wasn’t actually a problem with how Muslims are perceived and that, I’m afraid to say, is something they’ve mostly brought on themselves.”

This is brush-tarring.

29. Chaise Guevara

@ 23

“Why not patrol a muslim country?”

Because they live here, genius.

30. Mike Killingworth

Well, I’m far from sure that the comments to this article and indeed the earlier one have proved anything more than that different Muslims interpret their religion in different ways.

Let’s conduct a thought experiment, although for all I know this has actually happened.

Suppose you’re a convenor steward (in a heavily unionised workplace, if such a thing be left in England) and a group of your members have formed a “Muslim caucus”. So far so good. Now this caucus asks that you – and with you the Union – support a proposal that all women, irrespective of religion (or indeed lack of religion) wear a headscarf to work on a particular date (say 6 June. if you want to know why I picked that one you can look it up :)). You agree to poll your members. The caucus asks you to call for a “yes” vote. What do you do now?

Perhaps the question (or, at least, *a* question) here is, not why a bunch of Muslims decided to clear snow, or had the decision made for them by Islamic leaders, but why other able-bodied residents, irrespective of faith or lack of it, weren’t doing it?

One reason, of course, would be that nowadays, you can be sued if you clear a path, and someone still falls over using it. Which means that the ‘snow patrol’ were either supremely confident in their abilities or had a dispensation from any legal repercussions.

Maybe Newcastle City Council can explain their own confidence in this particular group, or be a little less picky with the shovels next time?

32. Shatterface

Perhaps the question (or, at least, *a* question) here is, not why a bunch of Muslims decided to clear snow, or had the decision made for them by Islamic leaders, but why other able-bodied residents, irrespective of faith or lack of it, weren’t doing it?

Are you suggesting that no one, other than a handful of Muslims, is clearing up snow?

I gritted the path outside my home and my neighbours did likewise – but for some reason the blogosphere seams to have ignored this.

I suspect that if the BNP or EDL had been abusing people a day earlier we wouldn’t have had posts saying ‘Yeah – but here’s a story about a white guy with a shovel!’

Chaise @ 28
This is brush-tarring.

Like the neologism although the grammar police may have you for that. Anyway, to the point, no it’s not tar-brushing, I don’t want to get into a long argument about this because it never gets anywhere but here goes with a final point. There is no problem of this nature in Britain with the adherents of any religion except Islam. Islam claims to be a body of faith and makes a big thing of the unity and communality of Islam. if this is so then any action by one group of Muslims must necessarily reflect on the whole. Indeed this is what seems to be implied in the above post, in a positive way, yet if anyone suggests that there simply isn’t enough opposition from within Muslim ranks to the kind of thing we saw with those vigilantes, they usually get called a variety of names of which Tar-brusher is one of the milder I’ve seen. I’ve been called a racist for stating that Islam is a religion not a race. I’m not brush-tarring because that would imply that I see Muslims as a collective, agreeing in fact with those of that faith who insist it is, I don’t I’m only interested in individuals. I just don’t like it when people try to have it both ways, talking up the good and glossing over or ignoring the bad and I hope I don’t have to state that I’m just as opposed to doing the opposite but I probably do so I will.

‘Are you suggesting that no one, other than a handful of Muslims, is clearing up snow?’

Not quite, more that nobody besides this Muslim group seems to have been invited to go out clearing snow from outside other people’s houses, and I suspect that if anyone else had offered to do so, they would have been turned down on the grounds I referred to.

I once asked my local councillor if there was any real danger of being prosecuted if someone slipped on a path I’d cleared of snow, and she was quite cagey, but on balance, I think it’s safe enough to do so right outside your own home. It’s when you go further afield, in an excess of goodwill, that you may come a cropper, but this ‘patrol’ don’t seem to have such problems…

I’m struck by the number of posts about Muslims on Liberal Conspiracy. It surely means something. Isn’t Britain a country of Christian -and secular- traditions? What would it be if Muslims were a majority? Well, I’m afraid there wouldn’t be much space for liberal forums or blogs then.
As a former Dutch (liberal) minister once said: Islamic intolerance has put Dutch tolerance under strain. The same is happening in the UK and everywhere across Europe.
Like many, I’m getting sick and tired of that Islamophilia, particularly strange in progressive circles.

36. Chaise Guevara

@ 33 Thornavis

“Like the neologism although the grammar police may have you for that.”

I suppose you can have brush-tarring or tar-brushing, given that you tar something with a tar-brush.

“There is no problem of this nature in Britain with the adherents of any religion except Islam.”

True, but not a reason to blame them all.

“Islam claims to be a body of faith and makes a big thing of the unity and communality of Islam. if this is so then any action by one group of Muslims must necessarily reflect on the whole.”

But you STILL end up brush-tarring with this logic, because if one Muslim claims that people of their religion should be judged as a whole, other Muslims don’t automatically have to accept that.

“Indeed this is what seems to be implied in the above post, in a positive way, yet if anyone suggests that there simply isn’t enough opposition from within Muslim ranks to the kind of thing we saw with those vigilantes, they usually get called a variety of names of which Tar-brusher is one of the milder I’ve seen.”

The OP doesn’t actually state a point, which on reflection is a bit cowardly. I took it as saying “Look, not all Muslims are antisocial”.

“I’ve been called a racist for stating that Islam is a religion not a race.”

There are always idiots.

“I’m not brush-tarring because that would imply that I see Muslims as a collective, agreeing in fact with those of that faith who insist it is, I don’t I’m only interested in individuals.”

Then why say Muslims have “brought it on themselves”? You’re victim-blaming; if a Muslim is the target of hate or abuse, your logic says it’s their own fault because they’re responsible for the sins of others.

37. Truth's Spokesman 345551000000

Hysterical that Muslims make EXPLICITLY ISLAMIC BASED threats and yet the Muslim Patrol is supposedly (by same old Lefty shills and lying Islamic groups) nothing to do with Islam.

Yet……CLEARING SNOW IS??!!

What a crock.

38. Robin Levett

@Mike Guillaume #35:

I’m struck by the number of posts about Muslims on Liberal Conspiracy. It surely means something.

It does. It means that people like you can’t complain that LC isn’t devoting enough time to Muslim stories. Unfortunately, it also means that you get to complain that LC is devoting too much time to Muslims. You can’t lose, can you?


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