Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! We’re taking a break


by Sunny Hundal    
2:31 pm - December 24th 2012

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The Liberal Conspiracy blog is run by a people who cannot avoid alcohol in large quantities* over Christmas and the New Years’ holidays.

It would imprudent of us to post lots of content then, or write any editorials than to say Merry Christmas!

See you in the new year; don’t do all the things we would do. And it’s totally legitimate to blame any Christmas mishaps on the Tories – the internet said so.

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* This may or may not reflect just the editor’s preferences

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Sunny Hundal is editor of LC. Also: on Twitter, at Pickled Politics and Guardian CIF.
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You admit to liking a drink?! Wow, I wouldn’t have thought that. I got the impression that you were one of those authoritarian nannying fussbuckety type people who always knew better and what not hesitate to tell others how to live their lives. Meanwhile most of us just like to be left alone to live our lives as we wish, make our own mistakes and learn from it, and enjoy our short lives on this planet that has been spinning around a sun for billions of years and will continue to do so.

Merry christmas! :-)

2. Derek Hattons Tailor

Yeah, safe. I’ll drink to that. Have a good one all.

Merry Christmas Sunny, the rest of the LC crew and to all the regular commenters.
Best of luck for the New Year look forward to seeing you back in cantankerous mood in January.

I’ve finished the Xmas booze already. Headache!

Quietly now, Merry Christmas to all!

Merry Christmas one and all; and especially for Cherub:

MERRY CHRISTMAS

May all have a festive and safe Saturnalia, those celebrations for the Roman feast starting on 17 December, which Christianity supplanted in the guise of celebrating the Winter Solstice on 25 December by the old Julian calender, according to Juilius Caesar.

In the tradition of the Roman Saturnalia celebrations, slaves adopted the role of masters during the respite, which is why that had to go.

All this peace stuff in Cameron’s seasonal message, is just a Govian self-serving version of history.

Christian peace? After what happened during the Crusades, after at least 287 Protestant heretics were burned at the stake in Mary Tudor’s reign 1553-58, after the St Bartholomew’s Day massacre in France in August 1572 when thousands of Huguenots were killed, after the invasion threat from Spanish Armada in 1588, after that thwarted attempt to blow up Parliament at the state opening in 1605, after the 30 Years War in Europe 1618-48 ended by the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 which Blair junked on the way to invading Iraq, after the Battle for the Boyne in 1690, after the Gordon Riots in 1780, after the flourishing slave trade until it was finally banned in 1807, after what happened to Charles Bradlaugh on his election to Parliament in 1880 . . . ? C’mon.

Due apologies to all who feel slighted because I overlooked their favourite Christian atrocity @6 – like Cromwell at Drogheda in 1648, the Optium Wars over the right of British traders to sell optium to the Chinese or General Dyer and the Amritsar massacre in 1919.

The usually unreliable sources are reporting that due to some oversight on the part of the usually incompetent civil service, George Osborne’s message for this and many Christmases yet to come wasn’t posted on the Treasury website:

26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed?

27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28″ ‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents.

29 For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ From: Matthew 25

Listening to the radio this festive season, by chance I learned of a musical on the improbable theme of HG Well’s The War of the Worlds, which I never knew of before.

I mention this partly because the composer Jeff Wayne, wasn’t Andrew Lloyd Webber, and because this theme for a musical seemed unusually suited to the times we are living through. Several performances of the beginning: The Eve of War, can be found on YouTube, are certainly evocative but the number: Forever Autumn was a hit single at one time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QAf5aE-YMw

By some accounts in the news, the world was due to end about now. Here’s a timely thought: if there is no scientific explanation for the cause of big bang which started the universe, could the universe also end without an explanation?

8. Just Visiting

Bob B

Oh dear.

Sunny wishes us all a happy Christmas – and you feel it appropriate to go on an anti-christian rant?

Sadly, this is LC where such bigotry against Christianity is not un-acceptable – judging by the lack of criticism.

JV: “Sadly, this is LC where such bigotry against Christianity”

Ignorance is strength. Your problem and that of the fellow deluded is that my posts above here aren’t bigotry because the history of Christian atrocities is all well-documented and the quote from Matthew 25 is for real. I like my history straight without the unpalatable and inconvenient parts sanitized out as they so often are in Christian advertising.

Btw Tom Paine wrote the Age of Reason as well as The Rights of Man for which he is usually celebrated in America:
http://www.deism.com/images/theageofreason1794.pdf

From the BBC website:

“The Gospels do not mention the date of Jesus’ birth. It was not until the 4th century AD that Pope Julius I set 25th December as the date for Christmas. This was an attempt to Christianise the Pagan celebrations that already took place at this time of year. By 529, 25th December had become a civil holiday and by 567 the twelve days from 25th December to the Epiphany were public holidays.

“Christmas is not only a Christian festival. The celebration has roots in the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah, the festivals of the ancient Greeks, the beliefs of the Druids and the folk customs of Europe.”

10. Just Visiting

Bob B

> the history of Christian atrocities is all well-documented

a) this thread did not have atrocities, of any kind, as it’s theme. You hi-jacked it.

b) your definition of ‘Christian atrocities’ is bizarre.

What reputable historians do you take as your source, for saying that Dyer’s massacre at Amritsar was a Christian atrocity?

Please name the historian and point to their words where they describe it as a Christian atrocity.

11. Robin Levett

@Jv @8:

Sunny wishes us all a happy Christmas – and you feel it appropriate to go on an anti-christian rant?

But sadly typical of Bob.

Sadly, this is LC where such bigotry against Christianity is not un-acceptable – judging by the lack of criticism.

Put that tar brush down. He commented at 7:58pm on Christmas Day; you responded at nearly noon. How many people do you think actually loked at this thread during that time, let alone were compos mentis enough to respond.

“Dyer’s massacre at Amritsar was a Christian atrocity?”

Dyer was raised as a Christian. After the massacre, Dyer was promoted by the military but placed on the inactive service list. He was very popular on his return back home and was presented with a purse of £26,000 on his retirement as the result of a campaign conducted by the Morning Post – which later merged with the Telegraph. The House of Lords passed a measure commending him.

The debate in the House of Commons went differently and sheds much light on popular sentiments at the time. To his credit, the Archbishop of Canterbury wrote Curzon that Churchill’s critical speech had been ‘unanswerable’:
http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/churchill/am-man.htm

I was reminded of the popular esteem heaped upon Lord Cardigan, the commander of the Light Brigade at the famous charge during the Battle of Balaclava in October 1854, which had wiped out most of the Brigade. His military peers regarded him as a dolt but he was celebrated back home – and which is how wooly cardigans got so named.

It really says much if the only contention about the scale of Christian atrocities is over the massacre at Amritsar.

13. Just Visiting

Robin Levett

> Put that tar brush down.

Fair cop.

give it up, best wishes to you all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcG47CpsU6c

May all have a festive and safe Saturnalia, those celebrations for the Roman feast starting on 17 December, which Christianity supplanted in the guise of celebrating the Winter Solstice on 25 December by the old Julian calender, according to Juilius Caesar.

As an atheist I couldn’t give a shit if one fairytale supplanted another, I’m just happy that most other people are happy.

So Merry Christmas to everyone but Bob – who can suck the festive balls on my Saturnalia tree.

BobB

“if there is no scientific explanation for the cause of big bang which started the universe, could the universe also end without an explanation?”

Yes. It could end without an available scientific explanation. However. scientific explanations are not the only type of explanation. Indeed, there are many types of non-scientific explanation…historical, economic, legal, etc – all of which are rational but not scientific. An explanation of the beginning or end of the universe could be metaphysical or theological, which, providing it was not inconsistent with science, could be rational.

“if there is no scientific explanation for the cause of big bang which started the universe, could the universe also end without an explanation?”

If the universe ended there would be nobody to explain it and nobody to explain it to.

That’s what ‘end of the universe’ means.

Yes. It could end without an available scientific explanation. However. scientific explanations are not the only type of explanation. Indeed, there are many types of non-scientific explanation…historical, economic, legal, etc – all of which are rational but not scientific.

If the universe ends it won’t be for historical, economic or legal reasons.

An explanation of the beginning or end of the universe could be metaphysical or theological, which, providing it was not inconsistent with science, could be rational.

You could give metaphysical of theological reasons for the beginning or end of the universe but they’d be horseshit.

Even if science does fail it doesn’t mean we default to superstition.

Shatterface @ 17:

“If the universe ended there would be nobody to explain it and nobody to explain it to.”

Non sequitur. We might be aware of the processes leading to the end of the universe and so be aware that it would soon end. – Death is not an event in life; but we can be aware of the approach of death.

“If the universe ends it won’t be for historical, economic or legal reasons.”

No shit, Sherlock!

“You could give metaphysical of theological reasons for the beginning or end of the universe but they’d be horseshit.

Even if science does fail it doesn’t mean we default to superstition.”

Some metaphysical or theological reasons for the beginning or end might be irrational while others might rational. It would depend on how well argued they were. Metaphysical theories can be assessed in terms of their predictive capacity, so (for example) Spinoza’s metaphysics predicts that matter is dynamic (rather than inert) and points towards Freud, too…which is not to say that Spinoza’s metaphysic is true, but it does suggest that he was on to something…

17 “If the universe ended there would be nobody to explain it and nobody to explain it to. ”

There was nobody around for explanations when the universe got started so no one was consulted but that didn’t stop it from happening.

Some metaphysical or theological reasons for the beginning or end might be irrational while others might rational. It would depend on how well argued they were.

No matter how ‘rational’ you think your argument is, if the underlying premise is ‘Big Beardy Bloke in the Sky Did It’ you are just wasting my time.

Metaphysical theories can be assessed in terms of their predictive capacity, so (for example) Spinoza’s metaphysics predicts that matter is dynamic (rather than inert) and points towards Freud, too…which is not to say that Spinoza’s metaphysic is true, but it does suggest that he was on to something…’

Okay, so now you want to include Freud as part of your argument. You were better off with the Sky Pixie.

Bob B
lighten up mate and enjoy the xmas ectures.

http://bbc.in/ZEg1OR

Shatterface
“As an atheist I couldn’t give a shit if one fairytale supplanted another, I’m just happy that most other people are happy.

So Merry Christmas to everyone but Bob – who can suck the festive balls on my Saturnalia tree.”
You righties hate bob don’t u.

Sunny,

A happy new year to you and to all others at Liberal Conspiracy.

Kojak.

i could not care less about christmas day,new years eve or this new year 2013.yes i am a grinch,a misery guts,i hate this fakeness that i see around me,happy christmas,happy new year blah blah blah,a load of old boring rubbish,makes me sick,back to reality now heh,more misery,more cuts,more poverty,that about sums up what is coming are way in 2013.great heh.


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