Ed Miliband’s speech on cultural integration in UK


by Sunny Hundal    
8:15 am - December 14th 2012

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The leader of the Labour party will today give his first speech on the issue of cultural integration in Britain.

In his speech Ed Miliband will whole-heartedly embrace Britain’s diversity and note the contribution of minorities.

Britain is at its best when it comes together as a nation, not when it stands divided. That’s what One Nation is about. But at the same time we know there is anxiety about immigration and what it means for our culture. The answer is not to sweep it under the carpet or fail to talk about it, nor is it to make promises that can’t be kept. It is to deal with all of the issues that concern people.

He will say we must not wish away public anxiety about the cultural identity of Britain and about the separateness of some communities, and will unveil policy to tackle that in three distinct areas: language, housing and employment.

He will say Britain needs a comprehensive strategy for integration. Such a strategy should focus on substance, not symbols, as it has too often in the past.

Some people say that what we should aim for is assimilation whereby people who have come here do so only on the condition that they abandon their culture. People can be proudly, patriotically British without abandoning their cultural roots and distinctiveness.

But there is another idea we should also reject: the belief that people can simply live side by side in their own communities, respecting each other but living separate lives, protected from hatreds but never building a common bond – never learning to appreciate one another. We cannot be comfortable with separation. It blocks opportunities, leaving people at the margins. And it breeds ignorance, suspicion and prejudice. Instead, we must think of the home we build together- -in all its richness, variety, diversity.

Key policy proposals

1. Learning English
- Prioritise English language teaching for newcomers ahead of funding for non-essential written translation materials.
- Include statements on English language learning within Home School Agreements to ensure schools and parents share responsibility for helping foreign-born children learn a key skill for getting on in life
- Extend the requirements that already exist in many professions for English language proficiency to all publicly-funded, public facing, jobs.

2. Housing:
- Crack down on criminal landlords who pack people into overcrowded accommodation with tougher fines and a stronger system of licensing for landlords in the private rented sector
- End the practice of using forced indebtedness and tied-in housing that locks migrant workers into terrible conditions, keeping them cut off from mainstream society
- Ensure affordable housing is part of new developments by opposing government plans to give a blank cheque for developers to build homes only for the better-off.

3. The workplace:
- Be tougher in enforcing existing laws to ensure the elimination of shift patterns that leave people working only with others from the same national or ethnic background
- Ban recruitment agencies advertising only for workers from particular countries.
- Prevent the exploitation of new migrants and the undercutting of workers already here by strengthening and enforcing minimum wage laws.

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Cor! Intelligent new thinking on this, rather than entrenched dogma. I hope this opens up a more creative debate on this issue.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/14/miliband-english-language-integration

Ed Miliband: every Briton should speak English

“Miliband will make proficiency in the English language a key priority for a future Labour government, which would seek to achieve what he calls a “connected nation” rather than a “segregated one”.

In a speech in London on Friday morning, Miliband will outline a three-point plan:

• English language teaching for newcomers to Britain will be prioritised ahead of funding for what he regards as non-essential written translation materials.

• A requirement that exists in many professions for employees to have English language proficiency will be extended to all publicly funded jobs in which staff interact with members of the public.

• Schools and parents will be encouraged to share responsibility for helping foreign-born children by including statements on English language learning within Home School Agreements.”

So basically a dog whistle to racists, a London centric disregard for languages such as Welsh and Cornish, and a pledge to cut back on spending on translation services.

One Nation is the name of a brand of Conservatism for a reason you know.

The stuff on housing and workplace changes is excellent, and something the vol sector has been calling for for over a decade.

The stuff on language is double standards at best. Simply replace the word ‘english’ with ‘welsh’ and see how this reads:

- Prioritise welsh language teaching for newcomers ahead of funding for non-essential written translation materials.
- Include statements on welsh language learning within Home School Agreements to ensure schools and parents share responsibility for helping children born in england to learn a key skill for getting on in life
- Extend the requirements that already exist in many professions for welsh language proficiency to all publicly-funded, public facing, jobs.

We already know what the daily mail reaction to the above is, and I think we could predict the reaction from accross the political spectrum to the above if it appeared in a welsh government strategy.

4. Chaise Guevara

@ George Potter

“So basically a dog whistle to racists, a London centric disregard for languages such as Welsh and Cornish, and a pledge to cut back on spending on translation services.”

Jesus Christ, how desperate are you to condemn Milliband? Knowing English while in the UK is in fact very useful, it’s possible to notice that without being racist. Teaching people English instead of Welsh or Cornish isn’t London-centric (we speak English here in Manchester too! Glad to be able to educate you), it’s just not fucking insane. Why would you want to teach people a language spoken by a handful of people rather than basically the whole country? And he wants to cut back on translation services by making them less needed.

I can see that it makes you grumpy when your political opponents say something reasonable, but the grown-up response is to signal agreement rather than scrabble for excuses to condemn them.

@ Planeshift and George Potter

“a London centric disregard for languages such as Welsh and Cornish”

“Simply replace the word ‘english’ with ‘welsh’ and see how this reads:”

All right, let’s do that:

“Include statements on Welsh language learning within Home School Agreements to ensure schools and parents share responsibility for helping foreign-born children learn a key skill for getting on in life”

How does that read? Like a silly idea based on the glaring falsehood that proficiency in Welsh is a key skill for getting on in life.

Proficiency in English, on the other hand, actually *is* a key skill for getting on in life.

If you don’t like that fact and think the world should be re-arranged so as to render it false, fair enough. I’d be interested to hear how you think that can be achieved.

Meanwhile, though, isn’t it actually pretty reasonable to suggest that children moving to the UK from overseas are going to have more opportunities open to them if they learn English than if they do not? You know, little things like not having to seek out schools and universities where teaching is conducted in Cornish or Gujarati, being able to write a CV that more than 0.1% of employers can understand, etc.

I mean, for goodness’ sake. “Dog whistle to racists”? “London centric disregard for Cornish”? I must explain this to my wife, who – get this – actually thinks she’s acting in the interests of the EAL children in her Year 2 Bradford primary class by teaching them to speak and understand English to a good standard. She even has their parents believing it, and has been encouraging them to read English-language books with their children at home! What a dog whistling Londoncentric racist anti-Welsh bitch.

God give me strength.

Shorter EdM:
“I know we let 2m people in without really thinking about it, but
we do have a few ideas now if anyone’s interested.
Hello? Anyone there??”

“proficiency in Welsh is a key skill for getting on in life.”

It certainly is if you live in parts of Wales.

Furthermore being billingual is proven in numeorus studies to increase educational achievement. So in the context of Wales, welsh medium schools do better than monolingual schools on the whole. I’m not a welsh speaker but would send my children to a welsh medium school at a stroke, and the fact that demand outsrips supply by an order of magnitute suggests most parents agree. And this is nothing to do with resources either – it’s simply a fact that teaching young children billingually develops the brain more.

Only in the UK do we seem to regard knowing more than one language as odd. Other european countries take languages more seriously, including so-called dying languages, and dare I say it, have better educated populations as a result. Why else do you think public schools teach Latin? You’re hardly going to need latin in everyday life are you?

Like it or lump it, in several areas of Wales Welsh is still a first language. Although most people are billingual due to necessity, Welsh is still a preferred method of communication. Furthermore it is essential that some public services can be offered in welsh for two reasons:

1. People with dementia and related illnesses will often lose language function in their second language. In Welsh speaking communities this means they lose the ability to speak english. If the health service does not provide medical staff with the ability to understand welsh then patients die because they can’t tell doctors what their symptoms are.

2. People with learning disabilities, or who are just not capable of learning english, will suffer massive disadvantage if they cannot have services delievered in Welsh.

This is one of the reasons why promoting welsh is the policy of every single party in the Welsh Assembly, including the tories.

I appreciate this is difficult to understand, until a few years ago I would have agreed. However as I work in a workplace where the majority of people speak welsh (and I can’t) I have a great deal more sympathy for the language and understand the need for it far more than I did.

Now can you imagine if the welsh government decided that all english immigrants to Welsh speaking areas should be forced to learn welsh in the way Milliband proposes here?

The resulting outrage from the Daily Mail and UKIP tendancy would be heard from the moon.

Here is the central point – if you think immigrants should be forced to learn english and integrate on this basis, what logical reason would you have for objecting to English people being forced to learn welsh if they move to a welsh speaking area (or spannish if they move to spain). The hyprocrisy is breathtaking. Britain is simply not a monolingual country, and when Ed Milliband advocates a one nation britain he has to recognise this fact.

Now forcing people to learn welsh is certainly not the approach I would advocate. Enocuraging people to learn welsh by themselves has been far more succesful than forcing anyone to learn (I doubt it would be possible to do) would ever do. But we should be making more of an effort to ensure public services in welsh speaking areas can be delivered in Welsh, for the simple reason it makes the service better and more responsive to people’s needs. And thats the approach I would advocate in relation to promoting english in immigrant communities.

Plus Miliband is basing his entire approach here on the frankly racist (yes I’m using that word) assumption that immigrants don’t want to speak english. Something there is no evidence for whatsoever. In other words he is reinforcing negative stereotypes. And until labour stop doing that, they remain unfit for office.

8. Chaise Guevara

@ 7 Planeshift

“It certainly is if you live in parts of Wales.”

If immigrants settle down in tiny Welsh villages where the locals refuse to speak English out of spite, I suppose learning Welsh is a good idea.

“Furthermore being billingual is proven in numeorus studies to increase educational achievement.”

Any immigrant taught English will be bilingual at the very least.

“Only in the UK do we seem to regard knowing more than one language as odd.”

I regard it as cool, as someone who’s sad to be monolingual. But you’re veering massively off-topic. Nobody’s debating the value of being bilingual, we’re just saying that English is more useful than Welsh/Cornish, which is quite blatantly true.

“Now can you imagine if the welsh government decided that all english immigrants to Welsh speaking areas should be forced to learn welsh in the way Milliband proposes here?

The resulting outrage from the Daily Mail and UKIP tendancy would be heard from the moon.”

Why are you using the Daily Mail and UKIP as inspirational sources? Do they have a track record of being right about stuff?

“Here is the central point – if you think immigrants should be forced to learn english and integrate on this basis, what logical reason would you have for objecting to English people being forced to learn welsh if they move to a welsh speaking area (or spannish if they move to spain).”

This is weird, Planeshift. You’re having a go at some imaginary person in your head.

But if you want a logical reason, see English being roughly a million times more useful than Welsh. Spanish in Spain is a different story, of course.

“The hyprocrisy is breathtaking. Britain is simply not a monolingual country, and when Ed Milliband advocates a one nation britain he has to recognise this fact.”

Utterly irrelevant. I don’t need to know every single language in the UK to get by. Other languages would be occasionally useful, but the only one needed is English. This isn’t Switzerland.

“Plus Miliband is basing his entire approach here on the frankly racist (yes I’m using that word) assumption that immigrants don’t want to speak english.”

Is he? Do you have a source for that?

So basically a dog whistle to racists, a London centric disregard for languages such as Welsh and Cornish, and a pledge to cut back on spending on translation services.

Pathetic, knee-jerk comment. I’ve been calling on more focus on English for years, because minorities have better access to social services. I must be the biggest racist around then.

@ Planeshift

‘“proficiency in Welsh is a key skill for getting on in life.”

It certainly is if you live in parts of Wales.’

If so, we’d better make sure children living in those parts of Wales grow up able to speak Welsh. And in the same way, we’d better make sure children growing up in areas of the UK where proficiency in English is a key skill – i.e. all of them – grow up able to speak English.

“Furthermore being billingual is proven in numeorus studies to increase educational achievement.”

Cool. Let’s teach every child a second language then. In the case of children whose first language is not English – how about English?

“Only in the UK do we seem to regard knowing more than one language as odd…”

Miliband proposes that children moving to the UK from overseas should learn an additional language, English. You protest – on the grounds that learning an additional language improves educational achievement and is not something we should regard as odd. Huh? What?

“Like it or lump it, in several areas of Wales Welsh is still a first language. Although most people are billingual due to necessity…”

So you agree that learning English is a necessity for people living in the UK whose first language is not English. Remind me again, then, what it is about the proposal that people living in the UK should learn English that you object to?

“it is essential that some public services can be offered in welsh…”

Fine, but what bearing does this have on Miliband’s proposals? Is it *not* essential that some (or, more likely, all) public services can be offered in English?

“Now can you imagine if the welsh government decided that all english immigrants to Welsh speaking areas should be forced to learn welsh in the way Milliband proposes here?”

If they did so, they’d be mandating people to do something (arguably) desirable but (unarguably) inessential to the business of accessing education, the jobs market, etc. The analogy with learning English doesn’t stand up. I can, though, see a case for requiring people wanting to work in certain public-facing roles in certain public services to learn Welsh, just as I can see Miliband’s case for requiring people wanting to work in certain public-facing roles in certain public services to learn English.

“Here is the central point – if you think immigrants should be forced to learn english…”

Is anyone proposing that (adult) immigrants should be *forced* to learn English? The proposal is to ‘prioritise English language teaching for newcomers’, isn’t it?

“…and integrate on this basis, what logical reason would you have for objecting to English people being forced to learn welsh if they move to a welsh speaking area (or spannish if they move to spain).”

Not sure about this ‘forcing people’ business (see above), but I wouldn’t have an objection to the Welsh/Spanish government encouraging (or even expecting) immigrants to learn Welsh/Spanish. Especially if they thought there was an issue of immigrants being excluded from the wider community due to their lack of language skills.

“But we should be making more of an effort to ensure public services in welsh speaking areas can be delivered in Welsh, for the simple reason it makes the service better and more responsive to people’s needs. And thats the approach I would advocate in relation to promoting english in immigrant communities.”

So in practical terms, then, how does that approach differ from Miliband’s? Would you *not* ‘Prioritise English language teaching for newcomers’, ‘Include statements on English language learning within Home School Agreements’, or ‘Extend the requirements that already exist in many professions for English language proficiency to all publicly-funded, public facing, jobs.’ If not – given all you’ve said about the benefits of learning a second language, the necessity of public services being accessible to people speaking the local language (presumably what goes for Welsh goes for English too?), etc. – why not?

“Plus Miliband is basing his entire approach here on the frankly racist (yes I’m using that word) assumption that immigrants don’t want to speak english.”

At worst, he’s assuming that *some* immigrants don’t want to speak English. (Which seems fair enough, especially since the assumption that *all* immigrants want to speak English is just as racist as the assumption that *no* immigrants want to speak English. In both cases, it’s being assumed that people can be lumped together on the basis of their ‘immigrant-ness’ and have attitudes ascribed to them en masse.)

7: “Furthermore being billingual is proven in numeorus studies to increase educational achievement.”

Years ago on a family camping holiday in France, we met up with a civil servant with his family. His regular posting in reveune and customs was based in South Wales. The boy of the family – but not the girl – had been sent to a local Welsh-language school where all lessons were in Welsh and English was treated as a second language.

As was explained to me, this was challenging so such schools in South Wales were effectively selective and an escape route from attending local bog-standard comprehensives, which would otherwise have been his lot. It’s therefore not surprising that bilingual schools apparently increase educational achievement.

12. Richard Carey

Everyone’s commenting on the language part, no one’s mentioning the authoritarian crack-down he’s calling for to ‘enforce’ cultural harmony.

Thanks for nothing, Labour.

“the authoritarian crack-down he’s calling for to ‘enforce’ cultural harmony.”

We would be better off with cultural disharmony prevailing, like in Northern Ireland?

@ Richard Carey

“Everyone’s commenting on the language part, no one’s mentioning the authoritarian crack-down he’s calling for to ‘enforce’ cultural harmony.”

Spoilsport. What you have to do is accuse that crackdown of being racially motivated by something to do with Welsh dementia patients, or explain why authoritarian crackdowns are a good thing and should therefore be actively discouraged.

But if we must return from the other side of the looking glass, all right then: hurrah, say I, for authoritarian crackdowns on slum landlords! Hurrah for authoritarian crackdowns on unscrupulous employers! Hurrah for a Labour party that rejects the racist divide-and-rule terms of a debate about people ‘coming over here and taking our jobs and our houses’, and instead focuses on tackling the exploitation of migrant and British workers alike!

Not bad Ed.

16. Chaise Guevara

@ 12 Richard

“Everyone’s commenting on the language part, no one’s mentioning the authoritarian crack-down he’s calling for to ‘enforce’ cultural harmony.”

You’re deviating from the topic (Wales), but fair point. The only specific policy that worries me is the one about shift patterns – and apparently that’s an existing law.

@ 14 GO

Agree with most of that, and indeed pretty much everything you’ve said on this thread, but I should point out that the shift-pattern thing is authoritarian to workers too: you can’t work Mondays cos you’re Polish.

17. Richard Carey

@ 14 GO,

“Hurrah for a Labour party that rejects the racist divide-and-rule terms of a debate about people ‘coming over here and taking our jobs and our houses’”

yeah, I’m sure you are sincere in your love of authoritarian crack-downs, but you are complaining about exactly the same things as the anti-immigration people, except you want to blame the employers and the landlords, rather than the government for its policies, because, presumably, that fits well into your 19th century Marxist analysis.

I don’t think you are following the problem through to a solution. If, say, a landlord rents a house to ten Latvian workers, and the government cracks down and fines the landlord, what next? Where are the Latvians going to sleep? Is the local council going to house them? Are they going to choose to go home? Is this what you want, but don’t dare say?

18. Derek Hattons Tailor

There is no reason for anyone to speak Welsh.

19. Richard Carey

@ Chaise,

I’m a great believer in learning foreign languages. I think they expand the mind, and increase one’s understanding of one’s own language. But it is not the business of the government to be taking our money to teach migrants to speak English. There used to be a thriving private sector for language schools, before Labour got in and handed over huge wads of cash to the FE colleges to run free courses.

As for Cornish, the language died out, sadly. I find it humorous that its revival has been hampered by PFJ versus JPF disputes amongst the revivalists.

20. Richard Carey

@ 18 DHT,

a foolish remark.

So basically a dog whistle to racists, a London centric disregard for languages such as Welsh and Cornish, and a pledge to cut back on spending on translation services.

Are there many Cornish speakers who’s grasp of standard English is so poor it prevents them working in the public sector?

I was expecting people to (justifyably) criticise Millipede for empty platitudes but apparently even the non-leader of the non-opposition is incapable of making a speach so vacuous that somebody can’t take offense.

I’m a great believer in learning foreign languages. I think they expand the mind, and increase one’s understanding of one’s own language. But it is not the business of the government to be taking our money to teach migrants to speak English.

You’d rather they pissed away your tax paying benefits to people prevented from working because of poor English?

23. Derek Hattons Tailor

@22 There is of course an alternative – that people actually educate themselves in the language of the country they choose to live in. My dad leaned English that way when he came here in the 1950s. Language can be caught as well as taught (according to among others, Chomsky) so by getting out and exposing yourself to English speakers, you learn the language. This of course doesn’t fit with the multi-culti lets all live in our own ghettos construct.

@20 My comment about welsh is valid. Why should all correspondence I get from the DVLA also be printed in Welsh when 99.9% of the recipients can read English. How much does that cost and what purpose does it serve ?

24. Chaise Guevara

@ 19 Richard

“I’m a great believer in learning foreign languages. I think they expand the mind, and increase one’s understanding of one’s own language. But it is not the business of the government to be taking our money to teach migrants to speak English. There used to be a thriving private sector for language schools, before Labour got in and handed over huge wads of cash to the FE colleges to run free courses.”

Well, this is a libertarian vs socialist thing. Obviously we’ll have different instincts here.

Despite being monolingual, I can say from personal experience that learning other languages helps you understand your own. Thanks to English grammar being abandoned in schools, I only learned about things like case and person from French lessons.

“As for Cornish, the language died out, sadly. I find it humorous that its revival has been hampered by PFJ versus JPF disputes amongst the revivalists.”

Wasn’t aware of that, but Cornish nationalism is odd anyway. I remember that big kick-off when a producer from Devon won a “best Cornish pasty” award.

25. Chaise Guevara

@ 23 Derek

“My comment about welsh is valid. Why should all correspondence I get from the DVLA also be printed in Welsh when 99.9% of the recipients can read English. How much does that cost and what purpose does it serve ?”

Complete non-sequitur. You didn’t say we shouldn’t be spending money on Welsh translations, you said there was no reason for anyone to learn the language, which apparently means personal interest isn’t a reason.

26. Richard Carey

@ 24 Chaise,

I’ve always considered myself the ideal Cornish nationalist leader, due to being 1/4 Cornish, and never having lived there (I am not being wholly serious on this point btw).

Cornish nationalism isn’t that strange, I’d say, as they’ve never really considered themselves English, any more than the Welsh have.

“Well, this is a libertarian vs socialist thing. Obviously we’ll have different instincts here.”

My view is coloured by experience. Many of my friends in years past were people who’d come to London to work and learn English. They did not expect to have English classes given to them for free. Also, at one time I worked for the government funding body, when it started throwing money at the colleges to deliver ESOL. The private schools were screwed by this, and the colleges didn’t have the resources to do it anyway, so then the private schools had to go to the colleges and seek government money as subcontractors, to stay in business. I’m only giving my worm’s eye view, but it seemed that the system was working fine, and then the government stepped in and mucked it all up.

27. Derek Hattons Tailor

@ 24 “Wasn’t aware of that, but Cornish nationalism is odd anyway.
Didn’t they also try and claim rights to all tin mined and some sort of exemption from the community charge on the basis of an obscure act from the 12th Century, that and burning down the odd holiday cottage ?

“I remember that big kick-off when a producer from Devon won a “best Cornish pasty” award.”

Quite right, too. Difficult to think of a more potent national symbol. Folk history says that Pasties were invented as lunch for Cornish Tin miners. The difference, btw, boils down to carrots vs potatoes in the filling. That, and crimping on the side vs the top.

28. Richard Carey

@ Chaise,

I think this was what I was thinking about re: disputes amongst the Cornish speakers:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/23/britishidentity.Whitehall

I don’t know what’s changed since.

@22 There is of course an alternative – that people actually educate themselves in the language of the country they choose to live in. My dad leaned English that way when he came here in the 1950s.

Good for him. Now lets deal with those who don’t have the same opportunities.

Language can be caught as well as taught (according to among others, Chomsky) so by getting out and exposing yourself to English speakers, you learn the language. This of course doesn’t fit with the multi-culti lets all live in our own ghettos construct.

That’s a remarkable misappropriation of Chomsky – cognitively as well as politically.

There’s a vast difference between being exposed to language as a child and being exposed to a language as an adult.

@ Richard Carey

“but you are complaining about exactly the same things as the anti-immigration people”

Sure. Who actually wants to see people’s wages being driven down, or demand for decent affordable housing outstripping supply? (I mean, apart from exploitative employers and landlords who can then get away with paying lower wages and charging higher rents, obviously.)

“except you want to blame the employers and the landlords, rather than the government for its policies”

Huh? Doesn’t the fact that I’m voicing support for *changes* in government policy suggest to you that I think *current* government policy is partly to blame for existing problems?

“I don’t think you are following the problem through to a solution. If, say, a landlord rents a house to ten Latvian workers, and the government cracks down and fines the landlord, what next?”

Ideally, the landlord offers housing fit for human habitation in future.

“Where are the Latvians going to sleep?”

Why, surely the all-knowing, all-seeing Market will provide them with ever better housing at an ever lower cost? No? Well then, I suppose the state is going to have to intervene (by building houses, imposing rent controls, enforcing minimum wage laws, or whatever) in order to keep basic, decent wages and the costs of basic, decent housing at levels that bear some relation to one another. Broadly speaking, this has been our approach for the past 120 years – ever since we began to wonder whether the Victorian slums so generously made available to the working class by the dear old Market were actually fit for human beings to live in. I won’t say housing policy has been a roaring success during that whole period, but I think it’s fair to say that the abolition of slum housing has not hitherto led to more people finding they have nowhere to sleep.

“Are they going to choose to go home?”

Depends. If the only thing they had to offer employers was a willingness to work so cheaply that they could only afford to sleep six to a shed, then most likely yes. I don’t have a problem with that, any more than I have a problem with a twelve-year-old runaway returning home because the government won’t let her work as a prostitute and sleep in a wheelie bin.

Immigrants that refuse to learn the host language, a) sell themselves short, and, b) should be regarded as an irritation. But how many are in this category? Not very many I’m sure.

Richard Carey @ 26:
The problem you describe could have been avoided by paying for the lessons at the school of the immigrant’s choice, rather than directing cash at particular colleges. This is anti-competitive anyway.

35. Richard Carey

@GO,

whenever a Marxist starts going on about Victorian slums, my eyes glaze over. Do you ever stop to wonder what life was like before the Victorian era?

Just leave people alone. If people pay their taxes and don’t break the law let them get on with their lives however they like. This state integration is inherently authoritarian and conservative.

@ Richard Carey

“whenever a Marxist starts going on about Victorian slums, my eyes glaze over.”

In that case, you might want to think twice before initiating conversations on left-wing blogs about housing policy in general, and policy on slum housing in particular. If you’re going to ask people what they think the consequences will be of government action to tackle slum housing, it is not altogether unlikely that someone – in the grip, perhaps, of the curious idea that we might learn something from past experience – will make reference to the modern history of policy on slum housing in their reply.

“Do you ever stop to wonder what life was like before the Victorian era?”

Wait… don’t tell me… were there farmers and horses and things?

What point are you trying to make?

“I know we let 2m people in without really thinking about it, but
we do have a few ideas now if anyone’s interested.
Hello? Anyone there??”
Is that rhetorical Chris ?

39. Derek Hattons Tailor

@ 29 – Not sure why you believe anyone needs an “opportunity” to learn a language. We are all born with the the ability to acquire language – how many people do you know who have never learned to speak one ? He (my dad) acquired it on his own, without any intervention or “opportunity”.

“That’s a remarkable misappropriation of Chomsky – cognitively as well as politically.”

Er, no it isn’t. (Psychology grad speaking if it helps) Chomsky’s central point about language was that it can be “caught” as well as taught, Formal lessons are not necessary as the capacity to acquire language is innate (arguably it’s the defining feature of being human, as opposed to being an ape). His evidence was that migrant children often speak a language better than many natives, as a consequence of mere exposure. Most adults will pick up a few words of Spanish on a 2 week package holiday, longer and they would speak more.
Any learning is easier when young, but not impossible when older.

40. Richard Carey

@ GO,

“In that case, you might want to think twice before initiating conversations on left-wing blogs about housing policy in general, and policy on slum housing in particular.”

You’re right. I keep forgetting “liberal” ain’t what it used to be.

“What point are you trying to make?”

It wasn’t a very obscure point. Simply that life was a lot harder before the Victorian era, and living standards were improving over the period. Contrary to Marx’s prophesy, life was getting better for the working classes. It was by no means easy, but by today’s standards, life wasn’t easy for anyone back then.

“the curious idea that we might learn something from past experience”

We certainly can learn from the past, but only if we are prepared to have our preconceptions challenged. The truth is that private house-building contributed a great deal more to improving living standards than the state (statistics provided on request).

Planeshift @7:

With you almost totally on this, except for the following:

“Now can you imagine if the welsh government decided that all english immigrants to Welsh speaking areas should be forced to learn welsh in the way Milliband proposes here?

“The resulting outrage from the Daily Mail and UKIP tendancy would be heard from the moon.”

The loudest howls by far would come from the unreconstructed Home & Colonial wing of the Labour Party, who would see it as a ‘nashie plot’ to dilute their bodily fluids and destroy the Wales they know and love (and which apparently didn’t exist until Nye Bevan and Jim Griffiths invented it).

Apart from that, many of the responses here so far reflect the ignorance (willing or otherwise) and insularity of the so-called Left/liberals in Britain, ranging from the “Why are we spending money on a language which isn’t English? What about the hospitals, etc. we could build?” ploy, via the “They can all speak English anyway, can’t they?” device, all the way to the hints (and more than hints) that Welsh-medium schools have as their primary aim giving the ability for pushy middle-class parents to get their kids out of the ‘bog-standard comprehensive’ down the road.

The latest Census figures, published earlier this week, show that the largest fall in the percentage of Welsh speakers in the last decade was in areas such as Ceredigion and Carmarthenshire, some of the supposed ‘heartlands’ of the language. Part of this is down to migration patterns, but it is also down to the fact that it is not thought ‘quaite polaite’ to insist on incomers learning the language of the communities they move into.

So, in a sense, the Millibland is right; but I doubt if this will mean that – the next time someone advocates that incomers to those areas integrate themselves properly – we won’t still hear screams of “racist!”, “fascist!”, “separatist!” (and quite possibly “novelist!” and “physiotherapist!” as well) from his own party.

@ Richard Carey

All right, so join the dots up for me here. In the 19th century, the private sector improved housing conditions for the poor largely without state interference. In the early 21st century we still have people living in slum conditions. The state can’t help by cracking down on criminal landlords, since that will leave the former inhabitants of slums with nowhere to sleep. So… what? We should rely on the private sector to solve the problem of slum housing once again? If so, how? What’s the mechanism here? Is there fierce competition between slum landlords to attract dirt-poor Latvians by offering a higher standard of accommodation at a lower price? If so, on what timescale can we expect the problem to be solved? If we should (presumably) stop enforcing existing laws against slum landlords in order to prevent their tenants ending up with nowhere to live, is the problem going to get worse before it gets better?

43. Derek Hattons Tailor

He’s right. Many on the left have nothing but a lazy stereotypical view of the Victorians – kids up chimneys, slum housing, as though no one, before or since, has been poor or exploited. The reality is the Victorian era saw huge progress in science, technology, economic and social reform. The Victorians were what would now be called progressives.

Miliband lleferydd wedi achosi adlach yn Bethel.

27. Derek Hattons Tailor

@ 24 “Wasn’t aware of that, but Cornish nationalism is odd anyway.

” Didn’t they also try and claim rights to all tin mined and some sort of exemption from the community charge on the basis of an obscure act from the 12th Century, that and burning down the odd holiday cottage ?”

Don’t know much about the Cornish situation but it is not that strange an idea. It all depends on the historical context. For example, First Nation people in British Columbia in Canada have many contemporary exemptions from taxation which are based on treaty agreements they signed with the British crown centuries ago. Arriving uninvited into their country and then taxing them was in an earlier era was not considered equitable. The crown as it turned out has a better record of honouring treaties than the tyrants below the 49th parallel.

Without knowing the details of Cornwall. What I would ask is did Cornwall ask to be incorporated in the centralising English crown and later centralising state? Were there treaty agreements that they would not be taxed by the crown?

@ DHT

My point about housing in the Victorian era was precisely that progress was made in this area – specifically, when the state began to insist that housing met certain basic standards and to define a recognisably modern role for itself in ensuring that people had access to housing meeting these standards (e.g. maintaining sewers, clearing and redeveloping slums, and building social housing).

The moral of the story being: if the state insists in 2012 that housing must meet certain basic standards (and cracks down on slum landlords on that basis), that doesn’t have to mean people in slum housing have to end up on the street and so worse off than before. We’ve been insisting on basic housing standards for a long time, and this has not led to a 100-year escalation in rates of homelessness.

47. So Much for Subtlety

Well this is an interesting development. Having noticed that English people don’t vote for them, the Labour Party flooded Britain with immigrants who, presumably, will. As Brecht said, why change policies when you can change the voters. So Ed has noticed we have a problem and has some suggestions that ten years ago would have got him called a racist. Great.

But.

They won’t work as long as we continue to have a de facto open door immigration policy. No matter how much we ask people to learn English, if another seven million people move here and settle in neighbourhoods where Urdu is more useful, they will continue to speak Urdu.

Nor is there any point cracking down on slum landlords. After all, barely-literate non-English speaking workers are not very productive. Their choices are the dole or some low wage job. They won’t be doing brain surgery any time soon. If they can’t read even in their own language they can’t operate machinery. Which limits their job prospects. They simply cannot afford anywhere but a slum. So what are we going to do? Jail some immigrant for renting out his shed to his cousin? I don’t see it. Make them all homeless? Not likely.

And there are just so many of them in places like Southall that there is no chance of punishing even a fraction. After all, the police can’t manage the number of muggers we have now.

English should be learn’t by everyone.English is the only language spoken everywhere.I am motivated to learn english with videos like this one http://youtu.be/9WblArYuYqo

Sunny at 9

I think you are being a tad unfair to George, there is more than whiff of a dog whistle about this. That is not to say that there are not very interesting points made in Miliband’s speech. However, predictably, very predictably, the press largely ignored the stuff about employment legislation etc and in the unlikely event of Miliband or the current spineless Labour mob finding themselves in a position to put this into practice would be kicked into the long grass (dog whistle for the Left perhaps?). Although that speech was ostensibly about ‘integration’ it was written to be read as addressing Labour’s ‘pro’ immigration stance. Affordable housing, an end to slum landlords and end to workplace exploitation? Yeah, the labour movement should have strong policies on all things irrespective of the number of immigrants and in thirteen years of governments made no attempt to stem any of these issues, yet still no apology.

All this shite about ‘One Nation’ and better standing together than divided? Bollocks to that, I am as British (leaving my Scottish identity to one side) as they come, yet I share very little ‘common identity’ with a significant proportion of the population of this Country, no matter how long our respective ancestors have shared these islands. Reading some of the comments on these pages, I am ashamed to share DNA with many of these people, far less a Nation.

Come to think of it, do I share common values with people who see disabled people as lazy scroungers? Do I share a history with people who tell me the mass unemployment of my history is a figment of my immigration? What do I have in common with people who find a child’s ‘unearned’ Playstation more abhorrent than child prostitution? Or who think the NHS is a ‘sixty year mistake’ the science of Global Warming is entirely made up or who think tax is all about whether or not you wish to pay it? Fuck all, that’s what. If Miliband or any other Labourite thinks we are a stronger Nation when we stand united with SMFS, Tyler or TONE or any of their ilk, then he is seriously up a fucking gum tree. I am less interested in where you come from as long as you have kindness and decency in your heart. There is no point in speaking good English, if you use it to spread hate and fear.

“There is no point in speaking good English, if you use it to spread hate and fear.”

Jim, it really is time you looked in a mirror.

51. Chaise Guevara

Yeah Jim, you’re pretty much our resident hate-fountain.

Also, it’s a tad unfair to suggest that TONE is of the same “ilk” as SMFS.

Hey everyone, why cant we all just get along?

Apart from SMFS, he can go away. I dont like him.

Hey who am I kidding, I actually like, he’s alright.

Also these ex-Labour voters who vote for UKIP surely they should now be called ex-BNP voters? Just saying.

whoops that should be ‘I actually like ^him’, but hey you guys knew that.

55. Richard Carey

@ Jim,

“What do I have in common with people who find a child’s ‘unearned’ Playstation more abhorrent than child prostitution?”

A propensity to overstate your case?

56. Derek Hattons Tailor

“They won’t work as long as we continue to have a de facto open door immigration policy. No matter how much we ask people to learn English, if another seven million people move here and settle in neighbourhoods where Urdu is more useful, they will continue to speak Urdu.”

That is multiculturalism. In a nut shell. Criticise at your peril.

Did Ed Miliband have anything to say about the number of single-parent families or about half of all babies being born to unmarried couples or about the educational attainment of children from the poor white working class?

“Though white children in general do better than most minorities at school, poor ones come bottom of the league (see chart). Even black Caribbean boys, the subject of any number of initiatives, do better at GCSEs”
http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14700670

“Having noticed that English people don’t vote for them, the Labour Party flooded Britain with immigrants who, presumably, will.”
Didn’t the Nazis use that type of statement? Just change the words Jew for immigrants and communist for labour party.
Also any evidence for that racist statement.
More immigrants have come into the country under Tory rule. In fact it was initiated by the tory health secretary in 1950′s one Enoch Powell.
Also many of the immigrants have escaped from leftist regimes why should they vote lefty.
Most Polish immigrants are right wing Catholics, a little like yourself.

What is wrong with the children who advise Ed Miliband? Sunny wrote: “The leader of the Labour party will today give his first speech on the issue of cultural integration in Britain.

In his speech Ed Miliband will whole-heartedly embrace Britain’s diversity and note the contribution of minorities.” After that, Sunny told us the themes of the speech.

What ever happened to “not giving the story away”? Why is it so difficult for advisers to pitch a speech as being “interesting” without reciting the script in advance?

Miliband’s words would be much more interesting to read or hear if it was new when we he delivered the speech.


@45. Richard W: “What I would ask is did Cornwall ask to be incorporated in the centralising English crown and later centralising state?”

Creation of the Duke of Cornwall: 1337 (which makes Prince Charles a leet)

Act of Union: 1707

For illuminating comparisons of “cultural integration” in other places, fans of the acclaimed American TV serial: The Wire, which ran from 2002 to 2008, may like to see this al-Jazeera documentary on Baltimore, where The Wire was based: Baltimore – The Anatomy of an American City:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0nkKdkLqc&list=ELOPLq2DUWQqc&index=10

The documentary includes some interviews with acute observations by Simon Burns, the creator of The Wire. At one time, he was a detective in the Baltimore Police Department.

The Wire is compelling viewing. Watching the serial on a box-set of the DVDs prompted me to dig for background on the US state of Maryland, where Baltimore is located. To my amazement, I learned that the most affluent state in America – as defined by the state with the highest household median income is not California, Texas, New York, Massachusetts or New Hampshire – as I had imagined – but Maryland.

The lessons to be drawn from both The Wire and the al-Jazeera documentary are worrying. The documentary reinforces the storyline of The Wire.

61. So Much for Subtlety

49. Jim

I am as British (leaving my Scottish identity to one side) as they come, yet I share very little ‘common identity’ with a significant proportion of the population of this Country, no matter how long our respective ancestors have shared these islands.

Actually you do. You may loathe yourself and the culture that produced you – so much so that you think you have more in common with Marxists and Islamists who want to destroy these isles – but in fact you don’t. You are only able to think that because you live in such perfect ignorance. If you lived along Marxists and/or Islamists you would soon find you might still want to destroy Britain, but when it comes to things like cricket, HP sauce, horse racing, whatever, you do have a lot more in common with other British people. You are just denying said Marxists and Islamists agency. You are assuming that their assumptions are your assumptions. And they are not.

There is no point in speaking good English, if you use it to spread hate and fear.

But the problem is Jim – apart from the hilarious idea that you have ever done anything here but spread hate and fear, I mean really, how f**king stupid do you think the readers here are? – you have no examples in this thread of anyone spreading either hate or fear. Except, naturally, your good self. As when you say that people want to gas the disabled or whatever it is.

57. Bob B

Did Ed Miliband have anything to say about the number of single-parent families or about half of all babies being born to unmarried couples or about the educational attainment of children from the poor white working class?

Obama won because of the single Mother vote. Miliband isn’t so stupid as to criticise his core voters.

58. P.Diddy

Didn’t the Nazis use that type of statement? Just change the words Jew for immigrants and communist for labour party.

Wow. Impressive failure with Godwin’s law. I don’t know. Did they? I doubt it. As seven million Jews did not move to Germany.

Also any evidence for that racist statement.

Where’s the racism? Immigrants are not all non-White after all. Look up racism in the dictionary. It does not mean any argument you do not like and have no counter argument to.

More immigrants have come into the country under Tory rule. In fact it was initiated by the tory health secretary in 1950?s one Enoch Powell.

That depends on how you count them surely? However there is no precedent – ever – in British history for the nearly ten million people who came here under New Labour. But I am not much concerned. Let’s agree that on immigration both sides have their fair share of blame. Although in fairness to Powell he did not want to fundamentally change the ethnic make up of the nation just so he could win more elections.

Also many of the immigrants have escaped from leftist regimes why should they vote lefty.
Most Polish immigrants are right wing Catholics, a little like yourself.

I doubt most Poles are. Some of them escaped Communist regimes but that is no guide to how they will vote here. Most Poles are too young to remember Communism anyway. And after all, many Muslim immigrants come from countries with utterly dysfunctional political cultures, economies and in many cases societies. They want to reproduce those here. And it is government policy to help them.

Charlieman @59:

“Creation of the Duke of Cornwall: 1337 (which makes Prince Charles a leet)”

I always thought he was a NEET?

SMFS: “Obama won because of the single Mother vote. Miliband isn’t so stupid as to criticise his core voters.”

The numbers are getting increasing press coverage. Half of all babies in Britain are born to unmarried couples and there are nearly 2 million single-parent families where there is a definite ethnic bias.

“Didn’t the Nazis use that type of statement? Just change the words Jew for immigrants and communist for labour party.
Wow. Impressive failure with Godwin’s law. I don’t know. Did they? I doubt it. As seven million Jews did not move to Germany.”

Nazis used the idea of different racial groups as a reason why you don’t have electoral success. Also many Germans did look upon the Jews as outsiders

“Also any evidence for that racist statement.

Where’s the racism? Immigrants are not all non-White after all. Look up racism in the dictionary. It does not mean any argument you do not like and have no counter argument to.”
To be racist does not just apply to blacks and Asians. It is looking at a community and making a sweeping derogatory statement that has no evidence. Both you and I are white British but we have nothing in common.

“More immigrants have come into the country under Tory rule. In fact it was initiated by the Tory health secretary in 1950? s one Enoch Powell.
That depends on how you count them surely? However there is no precedent – ever – in British history for the nearly ten million people who came here under New Labour. But I am not much concerned. Let’s agree that on immigration both sides have their fair share of blame. Although in fairness to Powell he did not want to fundamentally change the ethnic make up of the nation just so he could win more elections.”
Could you give the link to the 10,000,000 number?
Have you any evidence that any Labour politician has conspired to change the ethnic make up. Also there is the evidence that Labour politicians have been too hard on immigration because they did not want to alienate their core white working vote.

“Also many of the immigrants have escaped from leftist regimes why should they vote lefty.
Most Polish immigrants are right wing Catholics, a little like yourself.
I doubt most Poles are. Some of them escaped Communist regimes but that is no guide to how they will vote here. Most Poles are too young to remember Communism anyway. And after all, many Muslim immigrants come from countries with utterly dysfunctional political cultures, economies and in many cases societies. They want to reproduce those here. And it is government policy to help them.”
Most first generation immigrants don’t vote.
Most second generation immigrants are a mixed bunch, no different form the white British population. Many second generation Asians, I know are self employed businessmen, (Taxi drivers, Shop owners) and they are very right wing when it concerns tax and welfare.
Also look at the Jewish immigration in the late 19Th C. The same scare stories were used against them. They were bringers of anarchy and bolshevism.
Now the Jewish community in this country are not called leftist.

65. Chaise Guevara

@ 56 Derek

“That is multiculturalism. In a nut shell. Criticise at your peril.”

Oh god, another person whining that, when they express their opinions, other people are so horrid as to disagree with them.

Far-right inbreeding tory neaderthals invade Suzanne moore’s column:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/12/diversity-statistics-change-top#comment-20022640

Wish there was a way to kill these BNP/UKIP types.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/12/diversity-statistics-change-top#comment-20022640
Douglas Murray, the hero of that right wing creep Nick Cohen, is talking about to be be British is like choosing between swimming and yoga.
Come on Sy (Nick Cohen) lets have your views.

68. Derek Hattons Tailor

@ 65. It often doesn’t seem to work both ways. Criticise multi culti and you are a closet Nazi/Daily mail reader/ whatever – couldn’t possibly be that you have come to a considered opinion that it is not an unqualified good, nor some sort of socio-political sacred cow that should be beyond criticism. No, you are clearly an uneducated tabloid reading oik who just doesn’t understand the benefits that are self-evident to all us more enlightened and sophisticated guardian readers.

SMFS @ 61

You may loathe yourself

Do I? On what evidence?

and the culture that produced you

Eh? On what evidence? I do not hate the culture that produced me.

so much so that you think you have more in common with Marxists and Islamists

Eh? I ‘think’ I have more in common with religous fanactics? Yeah that is where you are exactly wrong. I have about as much in common with your average Islamist as I have with you, which is very little.
To be honest, I hope it stays like that.

Remember, it isn’t the Left that want to destroy the uniquely British institutions like the BBC or the NHS. It isn’t the Left that are attempting to drive this Country towards an American culture of private health care, the type of prison service and huge wealth inequality. That is the Right that is doing that.

but when it comes to things like cricket, HP sauce, horse racing, whatever, you do have a lot more in common with other British people.

I have a lot of cultural things I enjoy that are common with other British people, but not uniquely so. From the music, films, books and food even sport I enjoy I have in common with people who have never set in this Country. There is nothing wrong with that, but that does not mean I share an affinity with these people because they are ‘British’, my affinity may or may not arise from common cultural references.

I dare say it is entirely possible that I share many cultural references with many of the people who I dislike on this board. I think we may share an author for example, but that is as far as it goes as far as I am concerned.

We could just as easily share that author with Germans,Turks and Norwegians. In fact those books will have been translated into dozens of languages. Ditto football. I enjoy watching football, but that is a passion I share with millions of people throughout the World. I find cricket to be one of the most boring sports in the World, equally, I could find Americans and Swedes who would agree and Indians and Aussies who would argue blind the opposite viewpoint.

I find 99% of what you write here fundamentally repugnant. I cannot see any cultural connection between us whatsoever. You have an outlook so completely alien to me that, despite living on the same rock in Atlantic and coming from the same culture, I can see nothing that could possibly bind us as a ‘fellow Countrymen’. You would even reject my history as a figment of my imagination. It is almost as if we have arrived here from parallel universes, where some of names remain the same, but the events and their actions are completely different. From Thatcher to the Jarrow marches we would see these things in completely different ways. We are both ‘British’ and will die British, but here and now that has little to connect us both. All it really means that we share an island and little else.

When reading about stories like this I do sometimes wonder what people’s actual experience is and what places they might know. It would be better if we could talk about some specific places IMO. Or types of places.
Like our most diverse and transient, what I call ”first ports of call immigration hotspots”.

Maybe we could just list a dozen of them around the country and people say what these places are actually like. I know London best, and there are loads.
All over the inner city, and out to places like Croydon, Barnet, Harrow, Barking now too. Places where new migrants have created parallel societies and micro-worlds of that many people outside these groups have no idea about.
West Croydon is one such place. All these people from places like Afghanistan (young single men) have their own small universe which I can see from being in the same street as them, but have no idea what their circumstances are or how they live. Are they all living communally in flats? Are they legal? I guess some are and some aren’t.
I was recently living in Leeds, and saw this was the case up there too. So many men from what looked like western Asian countries. How do they all get to England and Leeds?

Nothing that Ed Miliband says is of much consequence though IMO. It changes nothing on the ground.
You either like the new extreme diversity, or you don’t so much.
I find it quite interesting myself so don’t mind it too much.

I think we should consider changing the name of England, it has old fashioned racist connetations of a land beloning to Anglo-saxons , there would be some opposition at first but with majority of London now belonging to the ethnic community, a new name would make everyone feel inclusive. The Union & English flags should be changed too, as they represent christian crosses & have been hiacked by racists

72. Chaise Guevara

@ 68 Derek

“It often doesn’t seem to work both ways.”

Really? Could you point me to the law that says criticising multiculturalim is illegal?

“Criticise multi culti and you are a closet Nazi/Daily mail reader/ whatever – couldn’t possibly be that you have come to a considered opinion that it is not an unqualified good, nor some sort of socio-political sacred cow that should be beyond criticism. No, you are clearly an uneducated tabloid reading oik who just doesn’t understand the benefits that are self-evident to all us more enlightened and sophisticated guardian readers.”

Let me revise, then: “when I express my opinions some horrid people disagree, and the horridest ones are rude about it.”

OK, they shouldn’t go around accusing you of being a Nazi or whatever, but equally you shouldn’t dodge the issue by complaining about idiots instead of engaging with the non-idiots you’re speaking to.

73. Idi 'Big Daddy' Amin

What nobody’s cottoning onto is that “British” culture has always been a mixture of various cultures. Roman, French, Viking, German, the list goes on. Look at the English language. A lot of the words we use in daily life are French in origin, some are German, I could continue. The only difference between then and now is that the people who are influencing “British culture” are brown, not white, and that frightens the horses.

The Daily Mail and its bovine readership are blissfully unaware of this country’s multicultural past. Well, their readers aren’t; the paper itself knows it, but facts don’t sell papers.


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    Just realised Ed Milliband's speech includes a crackdown on rogue landlords. Delighted! http://t.co/uZnucrZN

  43. chantal chegrinec

    Just realised Ed Milliband's speech includes a crackdown on rogue landlords. Delighted! http://t.co/uZnucrZN

  44. Peter Underwood

    Just realised Ed Milliband's speech includes a crackdown on rogue landlords. Delighted! http://t.co/uZnucrZN

  45. Middleton Katz

    Ed Miliband to give key speech on cultural integration in Britain http://t.co/auv9pucD

  46. Martin J S Katz

    Ed Miliband to give key speech on cultural integration in Britain http://t.co/WG935G2e

  47. ‘I don’t like the way Labour have spun that story’ | Liberal Conspiracy

    [...] communications team. I was told that Ed Miliband was going to make a speech the following morning about cultural integration and diversity in the [...]





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