Rupert Murdoch rants against “Jewish owned press”


by Sunny Hundal    
8:20 am - November 18th 2012

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So… this happened last night.

On one level, Rupert Murdoch is just trolling everyone. But really, the barb is directed at the New York Times: which he abhors and is the only major publisher owned by a Jewish family.

I couldn’t find any right-winger on Twitter last night willing to condemn Mr Murdoch for his choice of words. Could someone ask Louise Mensch?

There’s a broader point to be made about the media’s (lack of) outrage here.

Rupert Murdoch is considered highly pro-Israel so it is assumed that he didn’t really mean to be nasty to Jews.

But casually using the “Jewish owned press” phrase also feeds into the familiar anti-semitic trope that Jews run the media and try and use it for their ends. Whether that is in support of Israel or anti-Israel is irrelevant.

If this had been a Muslim or almost anyone else, they would have faced a barrage of criticism for trotting out such a phrase from right-wing commentators. But in this case there will be uncomfortable silence, and blatant hypocrisy.

Update: Mr Murdoch has issued a sort of a mea culpa

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Well maybe if he didn’t mean it in an anti-semitic way, it just becomes another tweet, trolling or not.
If he’s just being a bit cute (crafty) – that’s fair enough.
Unless one supports daft overreactions and the ”you can’t say that” culture we have now.

Who is the Jewish owned press.
Are they possibly competition.
Still I imagine If Galloway or Livingstone had same phrase “jewish owned” damon and the rest of the rights response would be different.
Still a nasty phrase, why not say liberal press, why bring in their cultural origins. Also I imagine there are many jews who disagree with action and many non jews who do.

3. So Much for Subtlety

I couldn’t find any right-winger on Twitter last night willing to condemn Mr Murdoch for his choice of words. Could someone ask Louise Mensch?

Why should he? What is wrong with his words? The New York Times is owned by a Jewish family. It is relentlessly anti-Zionist. It is reasonable to ask why.

Rupert Murdoch is considered highly pro-Israel so it is assumed that he didn’t really mean to be nasty to Jews.

Except he was not nasty about Jews. There is no sane way anyone can claim he was nasty about Jews. So what is the problem with what he said?

But casually using the “Jewish owned press” phrase also feeds into the familiar anti-semitic trope that Jews run the media and try and use it for their ends. Whether that is in support of Israel or anti-Israel is irrelevant.

Well, a disproportionate number of media outlets are run by Jews. That is a statement of fact. As is the New York Times. But he is directly challenging the anti-semitic trope that they use it for their own ends. Because, obviously, the Jewish-owned media in general is fairly anti-Israeli. It is not irrelevant. If you claim the Jews run the media for their own ends, cases where some Jews are running parts of it contrary to their own interests is actually significant and worth mentioning.

If this had been a Muslim or almost anyone else, they would have faced a barrage of criticism for trotting out such a phrase from right-wing commentators. But in this case there will be uncomfortable silence, and blatant hypocrisy.

What uncomfortable silence? It is unlikely to occur with the Muslim owned press because Muslims own so little outside the Muslim world. And what they do own is relentlessly anti-Israeli. That is hardly a surprise. Does anyone think it should be otherwise? It would be a surprise if there was a large and influential section of the press owned by Muslims that was pro-Israel. I don’t know of any, but it would be a surprise.

Where is the hypocrisy? It is a perfectly reasonable question. If the Tory press starts supporting welfare payments for criminals or the Left wing press starts supporting punishing criminals or lower taxes, that would be news – man bites dog type news.

This is simply driven by an irrational hatred of Murdoch and a desire to see what the heart wishes for.

Rupert Murdoch is considered highly pro-Israel so it is assumed that he didn’t really mean to be nasty to Jews.

It’s actually quite easy to support the state of Israel while simultaneously being anti-Semitic and wishing Jews harm. The apocalypse wanting Christian right in the USA manages it quite well, for example.

It does take a certain degree of chutzpah to conflate the ghastly old notion of the self-hating Jew with its Jews control the media counterpart. But I guess that shows cultural awareness. Maybe he’s been chatting to one of Bibi’s boys?

6. Chaise Guevara

“Tirade” is not a verb, last time I checked. And in any case, a single sentence without any rhetoric or emotive language is hardly a tirade.

I’m with damon on this one. Asking why Jewish-owned papers are critical of Israel is a valid question. The answer is probably “because the owners of these papers follow their reason rather than basing their opinions solely on creed”.

I wondered whether he might be using the term ‘Jewish owned press’ slightly satirically, in order to criticise those who talk about Jews/Zionists controlling the media. If not, then the post seems reasonable enough.

I wondered whether he might be using the term ‘Jewish owned press’ slightly satirically, in order to criticise those who talk about Jews/Zionists controlling the media. If not, then the post seems reasonable enough.

That’s a level of intellectual charity that you don’t often see applied to anyone else, isn’t it? If George Monbiot had said it, we’d be seeing a galactic freak-out about THE DISGUSTING RACISM OF THE LEFT that would last exactly until the Israelis stopped bombing Gaza.

Can’t stand Murdoch but agree that one tweet does not a tirade make.

As others have said, if a prominent leftwinger had complained about the ‘Jewish owned media’, the right would be screaming bloody murder. This is no different. It’s a clearly antisemitic comment: first, for emphasising the ‘Jewish ownership’ of parts of the press and implying that this is the most significant thing about them, and secondly for implying that Jews who criticise Israel are not true Jews. Murdoch should apologise, and should probably quit Twitter if he can’t control his prejudiced instincts.

Hmmm, my comment didn’t get through for some reason. Trying again:

As others have said, if a prominent leftwinger had Tweeted about the ‘Jewish-owned’ media, the right would be screaming bloody murder, and rightly so. This is no different: it’s a clearly antisemitic comment, and Murdoch should apologise. And if he can’t control his own prejudiced attitudes, he shouldn’t be on Twitter in the first place.

Looking forward to Ben Wight’s outraged response.

I’d imagine most neutral observers would regard the New York Times as very pro-Israel, as is most of the media. Who owns it doesn’t have anything to do with it.

Take this flagrant example of a recent headline in the jewish press:

The ongoing failure of Israel’s military thinking
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/the-ongoing-failure-of-israel-s-military-thinking.premium-1.478657

Of course, those who understand such phenomenon will recognise this as yet another manifestation of self-hating jewry.

15. flyingrodent

Mind you, I think it’s worth refuting the idea that the Jews control the media. As a big fan of Joseph Heller, Philip Roth and Kinky Friedman, I can tell you right now that no self-respecting Jewish person would ever come up with anything half as moronic as Take Me Out or Made In Chelsea.

If anyone has a petition going to put Jews in charge of the media, I’d be delighted to sign it. It would improve light entertainment no end.

More news in the Israeli press from the battle front in Gaza after the bombing of media centres:

Mohammed Shrafi, a Palestinian cameraman, said he was in the street filming when he was hit by shrapnel coming down from the building.

Asked why Israel was targeting media centers, he replied, “they want to keep us from telling the truth.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-attacks-hamas-media-operations-in-gaza.premium-1.478708

Here’s a bit of outrage from a non-lefty:-
“Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti-Israel in every crisis?” asked Rupert Murdoch on Twitter last night. That’s a tough question to answer because Murdoch doesn’t explain what he means by a Jewish-owned press. Multiple sources on the internet allege that Rupert himself is a Jew/lizard, but I don’t think that’s what he had in mind. Also tweeted yesterday: “Can’t Obama stop his friends in Egypt shelling Israel?” So Obama is in cahoots with Egypt, which is attacking Israel? Uh?

I look forward to a full explanation in tomorrow’s Times, which is – rightly – quick to expose the sort of anti-Semitism that harps on about Jewish control of the media.”

Murdoch seems to have lost the plot.

Flying Rodent – I don’t want to excuse him and am happy just to agree that it is antisemitic – I just thought it conceivably possible that it could be a satirical comment along the lines I suggested.

19. flyingrodent

I don’t want to excuse him and am happy just to agree that it is antisemitic – I just thought it conceivably possible that it could be a satirical comment along the lines I suggested.

Well yes, and it’s probably unfair to hold you to the same standards that your co-bloggers apply. Nonetheless, it really is worth pointing out that any lefty who made such a comment would have it rammed down his throat by your mates every time he opened his mouth from now until the end of recorded history.

According to that totally reliable source, Julie Burchill, Rupert Murdoch made the top ten of prominent philosemites.

“I discovered that it is a New York-based weekly newspaper, covering American and international Jewish and Israel-related news, printed in English, with a small Yiddish section, which had recently been called “the fastest growing Jewish newspaper in the United States”.

Its list of prominent philosemites was started only in 2010, and I had made the second one, albeit at a modest No 10. There I was! Julie Burchill, columnist and novelist. Who had scored higher than me? Among others Jon Voight, Warren Buffett and Rupert Murdoch – and top of the list was one Stephen Harper, Prime Minister of Canada. ”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9667631/Julie-Burchill-Why-Im-too-cool-for-shul.html

Certainly I’ve seen in loads of head-banging threads of an-anti-Israel kind that Murdoch, or sometimes his mother, is Jewish.

The plot is getting more complicated.

Orly Taitz, from Tel Aviv, has filed new claims in an American court saying Obama is not an American citizen as neither of his parents were American citizens and because he wasn’t really born in Hawaii:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/birther-vermont_n_2146210.html

I suspect this is probably because President Obama was reckoned to have snubbed Bibi Netanyahu, the Israeli PM, on his visit to America in September:

“(Reuters) – In a highly unusual rebuff to a close ally as tensions escalated over how to deal with Iran’s nuclear program, the White House said on Tuesday President Barak Obama would not meet Benjamin Netanyahu during the Israeli prime minister’s US visit later this month.” [12 September]

My comment at 17 should have included this link:-

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100190283/jews-own-the-press-announces-rupert-murdoch-can-the-times-please-explain-what-he-meant-by-that/

I’m quoting a piece from Damian Thompson in The Telegraph (not Murdoch owned, of course!)

Well yes, and it’s probably unfair to hold you to the same standards that your co-bloggers apply. Nonetheless, it really is worth pointing out that any lefty who made such a comment would have it rammed down his throat by your mates every time he opened his mouth from now until the end of recorded history.

You mean like this site hammered Steve Bell for his recent Nazi-inspired Jews-as-puppeteers cartoon?

Flying Rodent is on the money with this. Similar comments ended Mel Gibson’s career. When I read the headline I felt a glimmer of hope…

@ 15. flyingrodent

“… no self-respecting Jewish person would ever come up with anything half as moronic as Take Me Out or Made In Chelsea … If anyone has a petition going to put Jews in charge of the media, I’d be delighted to sign it. It would improve light entertainment no end.”

Cant think of anything more racist or disgustingly stereotypical.

Of course, Murdoch is right. Even William Hague is turning against Israel:

William Hague warns that ground invasion would damage Israel

A ground invasion of the Gaza Strip would lose Israel much international sympathy and support, William Hague warned on Sunday, as diplomatic pressure for restraint increased.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/12/us-israel-iran-netanyahu-idUSBRE88A10B20120912

27. flyingrodent

Cant think of anything more racist or disgustingly stereotypical.

Well, it was meant to be a light-hearted joke rather than a serious policy proposal, but I suppose you can’t please everyone all the time.

28. flyingrodent

You mean like this site hammered Steve Bell for his recent Nazi-inspired Jews-as-puppeteers cartoon?

http://decentpedia.blogspot.co.uk/2007/08/whatabout.html

29. flyingrodent

Of course, Murdoch’s comments do prove one thing: That, no matter what their opinion on Israel itself, bombing the Palestinians is endlessly popular with godawful vindictive bawbags.

Well, a disproportionate number of media outlets are run by Jews. That is a statement of fact.

Actually factually untrue but then you’ve never been big on facts ‘So Much for Subtlety’.

and why is the supposedly “liberal” Liberal Conspiracy site so silent on the question of the atrocities being perpetrated by the Israeli state in Gaza?

Murdoch is a Jew himself, an Israeli Jew, he is just trying to stir up trouble and try and take over yet more of the press and media

For the moment, never mind Gaza. It’s probably been hacked again but try this video report by “international media”, when it is working again, of “Jew settlers stoning Palestine Christian children walking to school”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9fyaUGcut8

YouTube is an illuminating resource for many video reports about Israeli violence directed against Palestinians, including Christian Palestinians, on occupied Palestinian land as well as towards evangelising Christians in Israeli towns. What is on record is enough to explode the prevailing myth of peace-loving, tolerant Israelis going about their business while letting others go about their ways.

The test of exclusion: if I wanted to be a Christian, I could go to see the local vicar or visit one of the several evangelical chapels hereabouts. If I wanted to convert to Islam, I could visit the nearest Mosque. But suppose I wanted to convert to Judaism, what then? As a secular jewish friend advised, “Don’t bother.”

Murdoch is a Jew himself, an Israeli Jew, he is just trying to stir up trouble and try and take over yet more of the press and media

As I said in comment 20. There are always comments of that kind about Murdoch, an Australian of Irish descent. There’s a popular syllogism:-

Media is controlled by Jews
Rupert Murdoch controls a lot of media
Therefore Murdoch is a Jew

“Media is controlled by Jews
Rupert Murdoch controls a lot of media
Therefore Murdoch is a Jew”

But will Rupert Murdoch also qualify for an Israeli state funeral like fraudster Robert Maxwell, who “was given a funeral in Israel better befitting a head of state than a publisher” ? [try the entry for Maxwell in Wikipedia].

Murdoch is a Jew himself, an Israeli Jew, he is just trying to stir up trouble and try and take over yet more of the press and media

Gosh, I read a whole book about Murdoch once by this fella
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wolff_(journalist)
and he never mentioned Murdoch being Jewish, let alone an Israeli Jew. In fact, he seemed pretty sure Murdoch was an Australian who later took out US citizenship. Should I assume Wolff is part of this same conspiracy?

Cant think of anything more racist or disgustingly stereotypical.

Oh I’m sure you can really, Ami. If you’re the same Ami who hangs out at Harry’s Place, lords knows you’ve seen enough of it.

” But casually using the “Jewish owned press” phrase also feeds into the familiar anti-semitic trope that Jews run the media and try and use it for their ends. Whether that is in support of Israel or anti-Israel is irrelevant. ”

The thing is it is a trope that one could read amongst the Guardian CiF comments virtually any day. So it is a trope approved by their community standards of fair comment.

The truth is some elements of the left are now just casually channeling the anti-semitism that used to be confined to the fruitcake fringes of the right. The Steve Bell cartoon that was in the Guardian a few days ago was probably the worst example of racist cartoon stereotyping to appear in a British newspaper in a generation. How many times does one read the term the ‘ Jewish lobby ‘ lazily used? It feeds into the paranoia that there is a Jewish lobby who all think the same and push an agenda to further the interests of Jews to the exclusion of everyone else. A centuries old conspiracy. Moreover, there is the contemporary style of a writer attempting to hide their prejudice by using Zionist when what they really mean are Jews.

What I take out of Murdoch’s tweet is if the Jews are all pulling the strings in the world and promoting a Jewish agenda they are not making a very good job of it in the media. Sometimes even objectionable people such as Murdoch can be correct.

@ flyingrodent

So racism and stereotyping Jews is just light-hearted fun is it?

I mean, what bad could possibly come from it?

@ Sy

Nope, not me. Any other foil for racists?

@ Sunny

Actually factually untrue but then you’ve never been big on facts

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column

“How Jewish is Hollywood?”

JaA poll finds more Americans disagree with the statement that ‘Jews control Hollywood.’ But here’s one Jew who doesn’t.

How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)

The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you’d be flipping between “The 700 Club” and “Davey and Goliath” on TV all day …

41. flyingrodent

@Richard Yes, so this prominent right-winger making dodgy comments really teaches us a lesson about the awfulness of the left, or something.

@ami You’re making a bit of a fool of yourself here, I’m afraid.

@39
Any other foil for racists?

Oh loads. But as you’ve already observed, there’s nothing more racist or disgustingly stereotypical than Flying Rodent’s quip, so he’s my fave, obvs.

“What I take out of Murdoch’s tweet is if the Jews are all pulling the strings in the world and promoting a Jewish agenda they are not making a very good job of it in the media.”

I agree with this. The idiotic Cherry has confirmed on this thread the sort of antismetic conspiracy-theorist Murdoch was mocking.

This article is synthetic outrage from Sunny. If Liberal Conspiracy was really concerned about people peddling anti-semitic tropes, it wouldn’t frequently publish Jew-baiter par excellence Ben “I understand why people are antisemitic” White.

But it does.

http://warped-mirror.com/tag/ben-white/

@ 35. Bob B

“But will Rupert Murdoch also qualify for an Israeli state funeral like fraudster Robert Maxwell, who “was given a funeral in Israel better befitting a head of state than a publisher” ? [try the entry for Maxwell in Wikipedia].”

What do Maxwell’s burial arrangements have to do with Murdoch?

44 Lamia: “What do Maxwell’s burial arrangements have to do with Murdoch?”

Murdoch is complaining about the Jewish Press criticising Israel.

For an illuminating comparison, I was just recalling that the fraudster Robert Maxell, a press baron in Britain, was given a state funeral in Israel, apparently for services he rendered to the Israeli state, according to a funeral oration delivered by Likud prime minister Yitzhak Shamir.

Prior to his political ascendancy, Shamir was a commander of Lehi, a terrorist organisation, after its founder, Avraham Stern, was killed – probably by British agents because Stern was attempting to contract an alliance with the Nazis in order to harm Britain’s war effort. Really.

Murdoch has let the cat out of the bag. The Christian Right cares not one jot for Jews. After all, they believe Jews will burn in hell come the apocalypse. There is your antisemitism in spades.

What The Right supports is Israel. Because they like having a western thug in amongst all that oil.

We now know that Israel has been deliberately keeping Gaza in a permanent state of almost collapse. Allowing the bare minimum of food. Just enough to keep the population from starving to death. Burning their crops and olive trees, and making sure they can not trade. We also can now see how Israel has assassinated Palestinian leaders who have wanted peace. The truth is Israel does not want peace. It wants all of the land for itself.

Quite remarkable that in a generation Israel is doing to Gaza what the Nazis did to Warsaw. Some Jews faced with the hopelessness of the ghetto fought back. Funny, we did not call them terrorists then. Egypt should watch out. Israel will soon becoming for your land. But Egypt is not allowed to put heavy military units along it’s boarder. Israel demanded that in exchange for a peace treaty. Funny that, I can’t think why.

Always good to see the vile tory brownshirt trolls defending the human shite that is Rupert Murdoch. Just shows that for your average tory meathead ideology and propaganda trumps law and order, and decency. The Murdoch criminal crime family can do anything just as long as they support the right wing.

47. So Much for Subtlety

10. Alasdair

As others have said, if a prominent leftwinger had complained about the ‘Jewish owned media’, the right would be screaming bloody murder. This is no different.

Except it is. For one thing he did not refer to the Jewish ownership of the media. He referred to Jewish owned presses. That is, individual newspapers owned by Jews. Of which there are one or two. Sunny wants to conflate this into ownership of the media generally and the conspiracy theory that Jews control the media but that is not what he said.

It’s a clearly antisemitic comment: first, for emphasising the ‘Jewish ownership’ of parts of the press and implying that this is the most significant thing about them,

You mean you can’t even point out that the NYT is owned by a Jewish family without being anti-Semitic? Well, Hollywood was founded by Jews. Who are still disproportionately likely to involved in the industry. Is that anti-semitic too? Murdoch did not say that was the most significant thing about them. You did. Clutching at straws springs to mind.

and secondly for implying that Jews who criticise Israel are not true Jews.

Nowhere does he even imply that Jews who criticise Israel are not true Jews. The words “true Jew” do not even appear in his words. But it is odd that people should support other people who want to kill the first set of people and all their relatives down to the smallest child merely for belonging to the group. This is why the Guardian (and the Left is general) is running out of Jewish writers. It is insane to expect Jews to continue to support a newspaper that endorses anti-Semites with an openly genocidal programme. As the Guardian has been. Which is why, I assume, so many of their Jewish writers have moved to the Murdoch press. Is that anti-semitic to mention as well?

Murdoch should apologise, and should probably quit Twitter if he can’t control his prejudiced instincts.

Murdoch should do nothing of the sort. It is not his problem if the Left is seized by a Murdoch Derrangement Syndrome.

“The New York Times is owned by a Jewish family. It is relentlessly anti-Zionist. It is reasonable to ask why”

Well, in your pea sized brain maybe. There are plenty of Jews who are not Zionist and plenty of jews who have no time for the state of Israel.

“This is simply driven by an irrational hatred of Murdoch”

I would say it is entirely rational to hate Murdoch. In fact if you don’t, I think you are either a bit stupid or probably quasi fascist. And we have seen from your previous crayon scribbling you are both.

49. So Much for Subtlety

13. Chris

I’d imagine most neutral observers would regard the New York Times as very pro-Israel, as is most of the media. Who owns it doesn’t have anything to do with it.

I imagine that their audience has more to do with it. As New York has a very large Jewish community, which is often pro-Israel, you would think that the newspaper was generally pro-Israel. It certainly used to be – referring to the Palestinians as terrorists but not the IRA. These days? I doubt it.

15. flyingrodent

Mind you, I think it’s worth refuting the idea that the Jews control the media.

I don’t because no one in their right mind thinks they do.

As a big fan of Joseph Heller, Philip Roth and Kinky Friedman, I can tell you right now that no self-respecting Jewish person would ever come up with anything half as moronic as Take Me Out or Made In Chelsea.

Just as a matter of interest, how do you know no Jewish person did?

19. flyingrodent

Nonetheless, it really is worth pointing out that any lefty who made such a comment would have it rammed down his throat by your mates every time he opened his mouth from now until the end of recorded history.

Well, call the New York Times Jewish-owned and we will see if anyone forgives you or not. You are projecting I think.

24. Cherub

Flying Rodent is on the money with this. Similar comments ended Mel Gibson’s career. When I read the headline I felt a glimmer of hope…

Except Gibson’s comments were of a completely different nature. They were anti-semitic. And it is interesting to see the Left approving Black Listing. Can we agree that the HUAC activities were only unacceptable because supporting genocidal mass murderers who call themselves socialists is fine and peachy?

30. Sunny Hundal

Actually factually untrue but then you’ve never been big on facts ‘So Much for Subtlety’.

Why do you think that is factually untrue? Is it unacceptable on LC to point out that actually there are quite a lot of Jewish people in Hollywood?

47 SMFS: “Hollywood was founded by Jews”

Up to your usual standard. I had absolutely no idea that DW Griffith was jewish. By the entry on Wikipedia: Griffith is generally considered one of the most important figures of early cinema for his command of film techniques and expressive skills.

Of course, another aspect about Griffith’s pioneering movie: The Birth of A Nation, was “his negative depiction of African Americans, white Unionists and Reconstruction, and [his] positive portrayal of slavery and the Ku Klux Klan.”

This would be the same New York Times which for years has employed William Kristol one of the inner circle of the Neo Cons who pushed the Bush doctrine and gulf war.

Or the same paper that employed Judith Miller defender of Iraq war and tame journo who was using her column to push leaked propaganda form Dick Cheney and his mate scooter Libby. (Who was convicted of leaking confidential information) to smear Valerie Plame (a CIA officer who warned against Iraq war.) Through the pages of NYT

The New York Times on American foreign policy is very right wing. It has supported both Iraq wars. And has beat the drums on Iran. For anyone to claim they are not pro Israel and neo con agenda is an idiot., and should be ridiculed constantly.

@ Bob B,

Yes I knew all that about Maxwell, but what does that have to do with Murdoch? Why would one assume he would remotely likely want to be buried in Israel?

Because for years idiots who falsely claim that the western press is majority Jewish-owned have falsely tagged Murdoch as a Jew?

Or is it simply that you consider Israel the place where they bury all the bad people so that probably Murdoch would want to be buried there too?

This is totally off-topic but it can’t be a mere coincidence that among most influential pioneers of the early cinema – DW Griffith (The Birth of A Nation), Eisenstein (Battleship Potemkin) and Leni Riefenstahl (The Triumph of the Will) – each had extremely nasty sets of personal values and no regard for historic accuracy.

Lamia: “Yes I knew all that about Maxwell, but what does that have to do with Murdoch? Why would one assume he would remotely likely want to be buried in Israel? ”

I was just testing Murdoch’s views about criticism of Israel in the “Jewish press” with Robert Maxwell, a British baron, who was so well respected in Israel that he was given a state funeral there. For all I know, Rupert Murdoch may also be offered similar funeral rites in Israel to show regard for his unstinting efforts in promoting Israeli interests.

This is why the Guardian (and the Left is general) is running out of Jewish writers.

Are you on drugs?

This is why the Guardian (and the Left is general) is running out of Jewish writers… Which is why, I assume, so many of their Jewish writers have moved to the Murdoch press.

Which Jewish Guardian writers have moved to the Murdoch press? David Aaronovitch and…? And where do (off the top of my head) Jonathan Freedland, Ian Katz, David Leigh and Tanya Gold fit into your theory?

Sally (naturally):

Quite remarkable that in a generation Israel is doing to Gaza what the Nazis did to Warsaw

Jesus fucking Christ, you are one sick antisemitic fuck.

Shatterface: “Jesus fucking Christ, you are one sick antisemitic fuck.”

What does that make Gerald Kaufman, who made this speech in Parliament?

Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQxdxH2k7-M

You mean like this site hammered Steve Bell for his recent Nazi-inspired Jews-as-puppeteers cartoon?

http://decentpedia.blogspot.co.uk/2007/08/whatabout.html

Sure, mustn’t mention the antisemitic elephant in the room while someone is making – at worst – ambiguous tweets.

Bell-End’s cartoon has to top the New Statesman’s Star of David stabbing the Union Jack cover and the award winning cartoon of Ariel Sharon eating a baby for vileness but – look over here! It’s Evil Murdoch!

“Bell-End’s cartoon has to top the New Statesman’s Star of David stabbing the Union Jack cover and the award winning cartoon of Ariel Sharon eating a baby for vileness”

It has got to the stage where satirisng Israeli politics has become impossible.

Take a recent example, Gilad Sharon, Ariel Sharon’s son, is saying: “We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.”
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2012/11/israel-must-flatten-gaza-us-flattened-japan-says-sharons-son

@21:

> I suspect this is probably because President Obama was reckoned to have snubbed Bibi Netanyahu, the Israeli PM, on his visit to America in September

Except that Orly Taitz has been doing this for years. Not because she’s some pawn of Israel, but because she’s an unhinged racist loon.

It has got to the stage where satirisng Israeli politics has become impossible.

Unless you actually believe that Jews are operating Western governments like puppets there’s no satire here.

It’s not a comic exaggeration of an actual situation (which is the essence of satire): it’s naked racist paranoia.

Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQxdxH2k7-M

Sure,the systematic extermination of ‘inferior races’, making soap from Palestinian corpses and lampshades from their skin, stitching Arab twins together and injecting chemicals into their eyeballs – just like the Nazis.

You are as bad as sally.

“You are as bad as sally.”

Complain to Gerald Kaufman who made the comparisons between Israel and the Nazis in a speech to Parliament.

Try this on the Khiam Prison in South Lebanon, when it was under Israeli occupation:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/766746.stm

And compare the findings of a visit to Palestine in 2000 by Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) from America on assessing the injuries inflicted by the IDF on teens protesting in the Intifada:

“PHR sent a medical team to Israel, Gaza and the West Bank from October 20-27, 2000 to investigate claims that Israel Defense Force (IDF) is using excessive force in the current conflict that has pitted Israeli troops and settlers against Palestinian demonstrators and combatants. . .

“Physicians for Human Rights USA (PHR) finds that the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) has used live ammunition and rubber bullets excessively and inappropriately to control demonstrators, and that based on the high number of documented injuries to the head and thighs, Israeli soldiers appear to be shooting to inflict harm, rather than solely in self-defense.”

I visited the Netherlands a few years after WW2 and heard there accounts, still fresh in local memories, of how the occupying Nazi troops had treated Dutch civilians. There is little difference between those accounts and how IDF troops acted during their last occupation of Gaza and during the Intifada.

And everyone jumps on the (anti) religious angle. Want a potentially worse take try reading the tweet like this:

‘I don’t understand why the owners of a publication aren’t using it to promulgate their own views.’

Because why else would anyone buy a media outlet?

Tell you something, Bob – you don’t back down.

Most people caught out being a cunt the way you have would try to slink away quietly or pretend they didn’t really mean what they clearly did mean. But you just turn the cuntometer up a notch.

I’d kind of admire you for it if you weren’t such a cunt.

Sorry to be slightly behind with this one, but the last couple of days have been, shall we say, “hectic”.

Anyway, whatever did dear old Rupert Murdoch mean? On three continents, his media empire is the leading edge of the logically unimpeachable combination of neoliberal economics, liberal social policy, rigid state secularism (even if accompanied by occasional, and occasionally even by regular, religious observance), and an aggressive military expansionism in that cause, especially in support of those countries which already most fully embody it. Above all, that means, or at least it has meant until recent years, the State of Israel. Since that position is, in a word, American Jewish, and above all New York Jewish.

Yet the undeniable organ of New York Jewish opinion not only has the sheer gall to be a commercial competitor of Murdoch’s, but, unlike, say the Daily Telegraph and the Daily Mail, which one might have thought were the main competitors of The Times and The Sun respectively, the New York Times has the effrontery to behave as such a competitor. Moreover, it expresses deep and deepening doubts about neoliberal economics and about neoconservative foreign policy; the doubts about social liberalism and about state secularism will inevitably follow. And then what? Back to Judaism as defined, not by twentieth-century New York rabbis, but by their predecessors, who were usually their ancestors?

Anglo-Jewry has always been a very different story, for the most part observantly Orthodox well into the post-War period and still very largely so, with the result that even Maurice Glasman, who the last time I saw him tucked heartily into a Chinese meal full of both pork and shellfish but who was brought up kosher (“Making up for lost time”), can draw on the haggadah and the halacha, the Midrash and the folkways, of the old Yiddish East End in order to form and inform Blue Labour.

In so doing, he finds a natural affinity with Catholic Social Teaching and Distributism, with Radical Orthodoxy, with the Old Labour that owed “more to Methodism than to Marx”, with the Anglican-based Tory populism that contributed as much as Nonconformist Radical Liberalism to the emergence of the Labour Movement, with the broader Tory tradition or metatradition behind that (far greater than the Conservative Party, itself in any case a fairly recent, and largely a Whig and Liberal, invention), and even with aspects of Islam as explored by Riyad Karim.

Could there be an American Blue Labour? Chestertonians and Burkeans are said to be on the rise as the Republican Party tries to reconstruct itself. I very much hope that that is true. And the recent elections indicated that the Bobby Kennedy black-blue coalition was now the Democratic majority as surely as is the McGovern coalition of non-white ethnic minorities with urban and suburban, often Jewish, liberals.

Those last long ago decided that the essence of Jewish identity, and even of Judaism, was to be found in a celebration of dissent, argument, strict state secularism, egalitarian and democratic family structures, avant garde educational methods bound up with psychoanalysis and psychotherapy, internationalism in general and liberal interventionism in particular, an openness to people’s and organisation’s Marxist pasts and to whatever they might have retained from those days, minimal religious observance and negligible religious instruction, all with a view to the highest or fullest degree of individual freedom and self-realisation, themselves defined in terms of all the foregoing.

Initially, it was America that was idealised as the civic embodiment of those principles, by reference to a very particular reading of the Founding Fathers in such terms, and retaining the more or less explicit view that Jews were to form the liberal vanguard, the natural elite, the national or societal conscience. Later, mostly after the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, Israel also came to be so identified, in that case by so reading people who were in many cases still alive to correct such a wild misrepresentation, yet who rarely, if ever, did so.

This would of course have been unrecognisable and repugnant to its originators’ near ancestors in Central and Eastern Europe. That point is made most starkly by the very heavy rewriting of the Yiddish tales of Sholem Aleichem in order to turn them into Fiddler on the Roof, in which a man dressed like the first audience’s great-grandfathers articulates that audience’s own prejudices rather than those of its great-grandfathers.

A real life Tevye would have held views far more akin to those of a 1960s New York Jew’s Catholic neighbours, mostly of Irish and Italian stock, but also German and East European, the blue (i.e., blue-collar, working-class) in the black-blue: unshakeably committed to ecclesial, civil and parental authority, which were inculcated by thoroughly traditional forms of education at the heart of which was the systematic impartation over many years, from early childhood until at least the middle or late teens, of a very extensive body of highly specific religious knowledge which was in no sense up for debate.

In political terms, this issued as much in an utterly uncompromising anti-Communism as in participation in organised labour and community activism, in a commitment to the New Deal and the Fair Deal, and in sympathy for Civil Rights, of which it was in fact often Jews who were more sceptical, although the Communist Party’s involvement in things like the NAACP did the cause no favours among the white ethnics in the North, who historically, and at that time well within living memory, had been just as much victims of things like the Ku Klux Klan.

Again, it was America that was idealised as the civic embodiment of those principles; again, by reference to a very particular reading of the Founding Fathers in such terms. A reading which was absolutely ridiculous considering how ferociously anti-Catholic the Founding Fathers were, but there we are. That would remain the fundamental, even if no longer always the conscious, frame of reference for most of the readers of what is now Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post, whom he and it have done more than anyone, even before we mention Fox News, to turn into adherents of what the rival, Jewish frame of reference has now become in practical policy terms.

But with even the house journal of that rival position turning against key parts of it, which will in due course lead to an opposition to all of it, then what hope is there of keeping Pat and Carmine, Rosie and Carmela in line? In fact, Pat and Carmine, Rosie and Carmela have already seen through big business social liberalism and its global spread by force of arms, and they are reverting to a pattern of voting accordingly. Even at the Presidential level, which was where there was most desertion from the late 1960s onwards. No wonder that Rupert Murdoch is such an angry old man.

It does make me chuckle that Murdoch, the much loved free marketer, supports the largest state subsidy in history. The US aid, not loan to Israel. Only one politician has had the courage to mention or campaign on this anomaly. Republican Ron Paul.

“Sure,the systematic extermination of ‘inferior races’, making soap from Palestinian corpses and lampshades from their skin, stitching Arab twins together and injecting chemicals into their eyeballs – just like the Nazis”
True but the Nazis didn’t start in the 30′s doing those things. Most of their activities consisted of beating up and demonising their opponents and creating a larger state by grabbing land. Also were the Nazis supported by many anti union free marketers.

True but the Nazis didn’t start in the 30?s doing those things.

They got there soon enough, so what’s your point exactly? That we shouldn’t assume Israel isn’t Nazi just cos it hasn’t done in more than six decades what the Nazis did in one?

Thoroughly agree with him. Sick and tired of scum bag papers like the Daily Mail that post positive articles about Jews ie “Judge Judy” and racially emotive articles that stir up racism against black people. It’s about time all groups were represented and that we have fair and balanced reporting. This much change. Sick and tired of the biased Jew controlled press making a lie of history because they are so hateful of everyone else. We need the press to incorporate everyone and not to be controlled by Jews who want want everyone else to be the victim SO THEY ARE SAFE!

“They got there soon enough, so what’s your point exactly? That we shouldn’t assume Israel isn’t Nazi just cos it hasn’t done in more than six decades what the Nazis did in one?”
Is the timescale important? Some genocides are slow burners. The reasons behind the slaughter of the Armenians by the Turks were at least a century old.
The precursors of Nazi anti-Semitism started in the mid 19th C not in one decade. The point is that some Israelis are acting like Nazis of the 1930′s, I might add so do many other states. They could easily go to the next stage of camps and slaughter.
All countries and races can or have committed genocide.
Hitler adored and admired how the US got rid of its Indian problem. Also he greatly admired the British Empire and wanted to use it as model for his empire. He especially enjoyed the genocide of the Tasmanian aborigines.

Sy are you Nick Cohen.
Come on come clean.


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