Watch: Israeli system intercept rockets from Gaza


by Sunny Hundal    
8:20 am - November 16th 2012

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The latest assault on Gaza by the Israeli army is being played out on social media too.

This video, uploaded to Youtube not by the IDF but presumably an Israeli, shows Israel’s ‘Iron Dome’ system intercepting rockets from Gaza.

It’s a bit surreal since the video is shot from a fairly populated area where people don’t seem to be taking much notice of incoming rockets.

(via @Alex_Ogle)

Meanwhile, the BBC reports that the Israel government said it had fired at 130 to 150 separate targets in Gaza overnight.

At least 18 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed by Israeli airstrikes, including children. Three Israelis have been killed by Palestinian rocket fire into southern Israel.

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It’s a bit surreal I guess because the chances of one of these rockets landing next to anyone in particular is extremely small. Having air raid warnings sounding across Tel Aviv probably does nothing more than alarm people and ratchet up the drama.
Although they do have the potential to be deadly as we’ve seen from the strike on the appartment building which killed three.

On Harry’s Place they’re mocking the claims of Palestinian casualties as ”Pallywood”.
Apparently some of the dead and injured have been shown to be faking it. I’ve said (on there) that is potentially heartless, as, when the death toll rises, they continue to suggest that many of the reports of deaths are exaggerated and faked for TV images.

Its time for a not for profit organisation to step in and start building air raid shelters and an early warning system in Palestine. And a defence system of some sort. Perhaps an Iron Dome.

Israel is too militarised and too resdy to show off its brutal capabilities. As it stands, it needs to create enemies so it can continue to ‘exercise’ its reserves and create distractions in run up to elections.

Its interesting that its also happening at a time when the body of Yasser Arafat is being exhumed, and the Palestinians are taking their status to the UN General Assembly. Not forgetting Syria.

One word. AWESOME…

“Israel is too militarised and too resdy to show off its brutal capabilities.”

GPWM. These missiles have only killed – what, 3 random civilians? – they really ought to wait till the total hits at least a few dozen before doing anything about it. Aything less is just over-reacting.

Impressive interceptor missiles, you can see why Israel is a successful defence and high-tech exporter.

@4. RichardT: “Impressive interceptor missiles, you can see why Israel is a successful defence and high-tech exporter.”

I understand that the interceptors are USA made. Israel would be a good place to test them, of course.

@2. Refresh: “As it stands, it needs to create enemies so it can continue to ‘exercise’ its reserves and create distractions in run up to elections.”

That suggestion is as crass as crassness goes. Israel has enough enemies who wish to kill Jews, or to eliminate them from their country and region.

Israel has historically sought Turkey as an acquaintance but that was screwed over in recent Gaza boat demo fiascos. Hopefully, some good will come from the civil war in Syria which forces Israel and Turkey to talk. At the same time, civil war in Syria will highlight Kurds; Kurds, Jews, Copts, Christians and Muslims were once spread across the Middle East, living together. It wasn’t all peace and happiness, but it is a reasonable expectation.

Is Israel still building illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian territory?

Btw in WW2, 8,938 were killed in London and SE England as the result of the German V1 flying bombs and V2 rockets which landed in and around London between June 1944 and March 1945. In June 1944, a V1 flying landed down one end of the road where I was living then in south London and in January 1945, a V2 ballistic rocket landed down at the other.

And what did Israelis do about that? Menachem Begin, as a leader of Irgun, organised the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 killing 91 people and injurying 45. Among the casualties were 15 jews. To celebrate that outstanding atrocity, Begin was made Israeli prime minister 1977-83.

Who said Israeli terrorism doesn’t pay?

Is there much point in saying anything about Israel/Palestine anymore? There doesn’t seem to be much appetite for it here.

The rockets that have been fired from Gaza for weeks now is completely unacceptable. And that Hamas guy that Israel killed must have been hevilly involved in it. You can imagine what the USA would have done if it was under such attack from Cuba for example.

But Israel will probably kill a lot of people as they hit back. It’s all about nothing really. Why do they continue to fire the rockets ffs? I think machismo plays a big part. Palestinians (it seems) are addicted to the drama of conflict.

@7. Bob B: “Is Israel still building illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian territory?”

The question should be whether *citizens of Israel* are building illegal settlements with government accord.

“Btw in WW2, 8,938 were killed in London and SE England as the result of the German V1 flying bombs and V2 rockets which landed in and around London between June 1944 and March 1945.”

Those were random weapons. The “targets” — where it was likely to land — were civilians and homes. A bit like the Hamas bomb tossers.

“Menachem Begin, as a leader of Irgun, organised the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946 killing 91 people and injurying 45. Among the casualties were 15 jews.”

Menachem Begin established his politics in radicalism and violent politics in 1946. You note that he became Prime Minister in 1977. That is 30 odd years to grow up as a man. (Personally, I have no time
for him.)

As I understand it, reported by Haaretz, the assassinated Palestinian was in the process of reviewing a final truce agreement with Israel. Maybe that was his mistake.

He probably got his timing all wrong with the elections just round the corner. That is an incompetence the Palestinians can do without.

Charlieman,

Would you object very much if charities and activists raised funds to build air raid shelters in Palestine? And then volunteer to help dig them? Whether a flotilla carrying the materials would ever be allowed in by sea is questionable. However, the Egyptian border is more open than it used to be.

I also wonder if there is room for the open source community to come together to help the Palestinians build an early warning system.

As this is a bit slow on here I thought I do a link over to Harry’s Place, where they’re in war mode and so are being even more rabid than usual.
Dead Palestinians are always thought to have been faking it (they call it ‘Pallywood’) – and it does look like that has been done in the past, where dead people seem to have gotten up and walked off when the cameras were supposed to have stopped rolling.
It’s a callous and convenient way of dismissing the real casualty figures when they do get high.
The Syrian government is doing the same kind of thing.

On this thread, a quite reasonable Israeli guy (from England) asks ”How did we get here?”

But make any criticism, and you’ll get called a troll and all kinds of names. ”Jew hater” even, and put into moderation like I am on that site.
Sarah AB is one of the moderators.

Look out for the worst of these people. ‘Abu Faris’ is particularly nasty, and a dozy poster called Kolya is a waste of time even tying to reason with.
DCook is also a bit of an ”Ultra”.
Pretty unplesant bunch really.
They spin everything very very hard.

I’ve said that Hamas started this with their rockets, but that heavy bombing is no solution to this problem.
That’s enough to get you labeled as an anti-semite on Harry’s Place.

Charlieman

“Those were random weapons. The ‘targets’ — where it was likely to land — were civilians and homes. A bit like the Hamas bomb tossers. ”

The Germans didn’t have the technology for accurate guidance systems for the V1 flying bombs and V2 rockets but the targets weren’t altogether random for interesting reasons. In the early 1990s, the Imperial War Museum staged an exhibition on London in WW2 which I went to. Part of the exhibition was a wall map showing where each of the V1s and V2s had landed with pins. The noticeably biggest concentrations were in the borough where I lived then (Wandsworth) and where I live now (Croydon-Sutton). In R Jones: My Secret War there is an explanation for this. By 1944, the Luftwaffe had lost the capability to mount reconnaissance flights over Britain and MI5 had captured all the German spies. Those spies who didn’t agree to turn and act on British military orders were hanged.

In London, most of the industries making munitions were concentrated north of the Thames – and it happened that most of the political class and senior civil servants also lived north of the Thames. The turned German agents were instructed to send wireless messages back to their controllers in Germany saying the V1 flying bombs were tending to overshoot London so the Germany military command duly shortened the range a little, which is why the V1s and, later, the V2 tended to disproportionately fall in south London.

Btw from when I worked in the civil service there still survived a tradition of looking down on civil servants with homes south of the Thames but I suspect that has dissipated by now. One illuminating sign of this is that around 30 years ago, schools in the borough of Barnet, on the northern fringe of London, used to achieve the best average results in the school leaving exams but 20 years ago that switched to the borough where I live now.

In terms of the casualties inflicted, there is absolutely no comparison between the effectiveness of the Hamas rockets versus the V1s and V2s. We simply learned to live with the threat and carry on.

@11. Refresh: “Would you object very much if charities and activists raised funds to build air raid shelters in Palestine?”

Of course not. However Israel does not use its power by tossing rockets at homes in Palestine. In response to your wider implied question, I financially support charities which strive to improve the lives of Palestinian citizens.

Can you follow up on your comment @10, please: “As I understand it, reported by Haaretz, the assassinated Palestinian was in the process of reviewing a final truce agreement with Israel. Maybe that was his mistake.”

@14. Bob B: “In the early 1990s, the Imperial War Museum staged an exhibition on London in WW2 which I went to.”

Thanks for the history lesson, Bob. Incidentally, the V1 accounts for the majority of Porsche engines “imported” to the UK prior to 1960.

Israel is too militarised and too resdy to show off its brutal capabilities.

Sure, shooting down enemy rockets is showing off it’s brutal capabilities.

As it stands, it needs to create enemies so it can continue to ‘exercise’ its reserves and create distractions in run up to elections.

So Israel created the rockets, fired them at themselves, then shot them down to show off it’s brutal capabilities.

Charlieman

“Menachem Begin established his politics in radicalism and violent politics in 1946. You note that he became Prime Minister in 1977. That is 30 odd years to grow up as a man. (Personally, I have no time
for him.).”

Begin wasn’t idle during those 30 years. Irgun, of which he was a leader, was implicated in the Deir Yassin Massacre on 9 April 1948 in which around 107 Palestinian villagers were killed – checkout the Wikipedia entry. That event was hugely effective in motivating native Palestinians to abandon their homes and flee in fear of their lives.

Then there was the Qibya massacre in October 1953 by Israeli storm troopers under the command of Ariel Sharon.

In due course, Begin became leader of the Likud party and then Israeli PM in that capacity in 1977. The Likud Party in government, with Netanyahu as current PM, has carried on the party tradition by maintaining the policy of allowing the building of illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian territory.

The main question for the moment is how many thousands of Palestinians will be killed before the current conflagration fades and normal hostilities are resumed pending a peace settlement.

Londoners, including me, lived for 9 months through the threat of the V1 flying bomb and V2 rocket attacks on London, which continued from mid June 1946 to March 1945. We just carried on. By comparison, the Israelis are hysterical from a much lesser threat IMO.

Londoners, including me, lived for 9 months through the threat of the V1 flying bomb and V2 rocket attacks on London, which continued from mid June 1946 to March 1945. We just carried on. By comparison, the Israelis are hysterical from a much lesser threat IMO.

I assume that 1946 is a typo. Londoners however did know that there was a full out total war against the entity sending over those missiles.

Rosie: “I assume that 1946 is a typo. Londoners however did know that there was a full out total war against the entity sending over those missiles.”

Thank you. That 1946 should, of course, have read June 1944, shortly after the D-Day landings in Normandy.

There can’t be many living in Israel with doubts about the extent of the enduring conflict with the Palestinians who were pushed out of their homelands after the United Nations voted in November 1947 to partition Palestine. But then the British government, which abstained in that debate, did predict that the partition of Palestine would lead to continuing conflict and so it has proved to be with the periodic massacres inflicted on the Palestinians by the Israelis.

We could be pretty sure that a Likud led coalition government, dependent on support in the Knesset from religious parties, would become embroiled in more extreme forms of conflict with the Palestinians after allowing the settlement building on Palestinian territory to continue. But that is hardly surprising when some in the religious parties reportedly believe that Israel is entitled to occupy the whole of Palestine in consequence of some divine covenant with their ethnic deity.

Try this interview by a British film crew of Palestinian settlers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALiyDNwgUGY

21. So Much for Subtlety

14. Bob B

In terms of the casualties inflicted, there is absolutely no comparison between the effectiveness of the Hamas rockets versus the V1s and V2s. We simply learned to live with the threat and carry on.

No we did not. We invaded the country responsible, occupied the launching sites, dismantled the factories producing them and hanged the people responsible.

By all means, let the whole of LC join together to suggest Israel adopt British policies.

22. So Much for Subtlety

18. Bob B

Then there was the Qibya massacre in October 1953 by Israeli storm troopers under the command of Ariel Sharon.

Soldiers, and I love the storm troopers bit Bob, nothing bigoted about that at all, who came from the Palmach, not from Irgun.

The main question for the moment is how many thousands of Palestinians will be killed before the current conflagration fades and normal hostilities are resumed pending a peace settlement.

I love the idea of normal hostilities. As it happens, Israel built a nice fence around Gaza a long time ago and so apart from the rockets, there is little violence any more. Which you approve of, right Bob? But what peace settlement do you think is possible? Hamas wants to kill every Jew in the world. They reject the on-going existence of Israel as a matter of principle. They will not agree to a peace treaty and say so often. By all means, Bob, tell us how you would reach a peace agreement with Hamas?

Londoners, including me, lived for 9 months through the threat of the V1 flying bomb and V2 rocket attacks on London, which continued from mid June 1946 to March 1945. We just carried on. By comparison, the Israelis are hysterical from a much lesser threat IMO.

How many Jews do you think is acceptable before Israel should react Bob? 100? 1,000? 10,000? If Hamas has to reach some minimum critical threshold and *then* Israel is entitled to act, why shouldn’t they act now?

SMfS

You’ve missed the point, Jews are only the good guys when they are being persecuted and murdered and only then if they don’t make too much of a fuss about it. When they defend themselves and have the sheer bad taste to retaliate against their persecutors they are quite beyond the pale. As for how many Israelis must die before Israel is allowed, in the opinion of all right thinking people, to defend itself, well they will get back to you on that but I suspect the answer is always more than have died so far, whatever number that is.

23: “When they defend themselves and have the sheer bad taste to retaliate against their persecutors they are quite beyond the pale.”

That’s rubbish. How does that claim account for Israeli settlers stoning Palestinian children on their way to school as currently reported in several video clips on YouTube?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ovdA1VZ-c

Palestinian children in the occupied territories going to school need Israeli police patrols to protect them from Israeli settlers. I was instantly reminded of those reports on newsreels and TV in the mid 1960s of the civil rights movement in the southern states of America where national guardsmen were needed to escort American black students to school.

There are many video reports on YouTube showing Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians in the occupied territories as well as of Haredim assaulting Christian evangelists.

The notion of peace-loving, tolerant Israelis going about their business leaving others to go about their ways is a complete myth.

Remember the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in July 1946 when 91 were killed, the Deir Yassin massacre of Palestinian villagers in April 1948, the Qibya massacre of Palestinian villagers in October 1953, the massacres at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982, the Khiam Prison in South Lebanon when it was under Israeli occupation etc etc?

The powerful Israeli propaganda machine relies on Europeans and Americans having short memories. The British government abstained in the United Nations debate on Palestine in November 1947 warning that partition of Palestine would lead to continuing conflict. Events have shown that prediction was well-founded.

Bob B
What a fine collection of whataboutery and all pretty much irrelevant to the present question of why it’s apparently OK for Hamas to fire rockets at Israel but not for Israel to retaliate.
“The powerful Israeli propaganda machine relies on Europeans and Americans having short memories. The British government abstained in the United Nations debate on Palestine in November 1947 warning that partition of Palestine would lead to continuing conflict. Events have shown that prediction was well-founded”.
The powerful Israeli propaganda machine eh ? It’s all them Joos running the world and brainwashing everyone I suppose. As for partition leading to continued conflict whose fault is that ? It was the Arabs who attacked the infant jewish state in the first place and they’ve never relented in their hostility and desire to eradicate Israel since, it’s hardly surprising that Israelis have often been less than gentle in their response, who wouldn’t be faced with being surrounded by people who want to kill them ? I loved that bit about the British government warning against partition though, this would be the same government that partitioned India I take it ?

26. Chaise Guevara

@ 25 Thornavis

I was under the impression that tensions first started after Israeli settlers started running native Arabs off their land. But in any case, getting into an argument about who started it is hardly relevant to the situation today.

Describing Palestinians as the “persecutors” is a ridiculous fantasy. There’s blame on both sides by Palestine definitely gets the worst of it.

Thornavis

“What a fine collection of whataboutery and all pretty much irrelevant to the present question of why it’s apparently OK for Hamas to fire rockets at Israel but not for Israel to retaliate.”

That’s just the predictable Israeli propanda line with the usual careful selection of “facts” paraded before the international audience.

This selection naturally excludes mention of all the many Israeli perpetrated atrocities, the failed compliance with so many UN resolutions and the many video reports on YouTube of Palestinian children – Muslim and Christian – being regularly stoned on their way to school by Israeli settlers as well as the harassment of Palestinians who have lived on their family plots for generations.

As with the Deir Yassin massacre in 1948, the obvious intention is to force Palestinians to abandon their land so settlement building can continue with less interference.

Predictably, the Israeli government demands an end to the “unprovoked” aggression by Hamas with the rockets. But there is absolutely nothing about stopping the building of settlements on Palestinian land or letting Palestinian children go to school without being stoned.

All those claims about Israel acting in self-defence are a load of the proverbial cobblers when the Israeli government continues with the occupation of Palestinian land and continues to allow the building of Israeli settlements on the land. The truth of the matter is that the Palestinians are trying, without much effect, to expel the Israeli aggressors who continue to occupy their land.

28. Man on Clapam Omnibus

27. Bob B

I think probably the most telling episode in Israels history was that no sooner than they had gained sovereignty , Ben Gurion was plotting to annex half of Jordan and all of the Lebanon.

Man on Clapham Omnibus: “Ben Gurion was plotting to annex half of Jordan and all of the Lebanon”

Ancient Israel included the ports of Tyre and Sidon, now in Lebanon, as well as substantial territory east of the river Jordon. Presumably, that is what those Israelis who lay claim to all Palestine want as part of Israel. The ancient kingdom split after the death of Solomon into Israel and Judea but I don’t see any references to that.

30. Ibrahim Mahoul

Why “It’s a bit surreal”? Can’t one see the rockets coming on to him? especially when there is an alarming of some seconds that prepers him to take shelter. This one who shot that film was attending a wedding party outside Beer Sheva and while hearing the sirens he waited to catch about 8 rockets shot down over Beer Sheve.

31. Ibrahim Mahoul

Charlieman@4. RichardT: “I understand that the interceptors are USA made. Israel would be a good place to test them, of course”

Not at all, Mr. Charlieman@4!!!!! The “Iron Dome”, much as the “Arrow” and the first drone are Israel original developments and inventions based on new technologies and concept of interception. That’s why the US pays money to Israel and by that she get the knowledge and license to use it from Israel.

Jews are very smart. That’s why we lost of the wars against them!


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