Police arrest man for posting picture of burning poppy


12:17 am - November 12th 2012

by Sunny Hundal    


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Police in Kent have arrested a man for posting a picture of him burning a poppy on Facebook.

No really, it’s not a joke.

A tweet alerted us to the story.

The story has been confirmed by This is Kent:

POLICE have tonight arrested an Aylesham man after a picture of a burning poppy was posted online.

Kent Police say the man has been held on the evening of Remembrance Sunday on suspicion of malicious telecommunications after the image of the poppy was posted on a social networking site.

The suspect is tonight in police custody awaiting interview.

The abuse of the Malicious Communications Act of 1988 is getting absurd.

The notice by Kent Police of the arrest is here.

UPDATE:
Kent Police earlier posted more information

A man is due to be interviewed by police this morning following reports that a picture of a burning poppy had been posted on a social media website.

Officers were contacted at around 4pm yesterday, Sunday, 11 November 2012 and alerted to the picture, which was reportedly accompanied by an offensive comment.

Following an investigation by Kent Police a 19-year-old, Canterbury man was arrested on suspicion of an offence under the malicious communications act. He is currently in custody.

Kent Police are also ignoring media inquiries. We’ll report more when we get it.

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so let’s not get exicted about Quran burning either?

But has he been subject to extraordinary rendition?

3. David Boothroyd

Don’t think this comes under the Malicious Telecommunications Act 1988 because it’s actually called the Malicious Communications Act and it only covers letters. More likely is it’s being treated as a possible offence under section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127).

His fingers look distinctly white…. so he gets arrested. Stand 50 or so bearded islamofascist fanatics shouting through loud hailers to try and disrupt the rememberance service, and you get a line of polive fucking protecting them!!!

on another note – get a daily inbox of vileness, text and email, from a psychotic, disowned friend, including threats of violence and death and it takes a week to visit them. Makes me angry on more than one level!

there’s nothing holy about a remembrance poppy

6. So Much for Subtlety

And yet I seem to remember being out numbered when I suggested locking someone up for tweeting racial abuse or being rude about Muslims was not a good idea. Any more than jailing a woman for shouting racist abuse on the train was.

This is the world the Left wanted and passed laws to create. A little mea culpa would be appropriate about now.

They’d be being more honest if they were arresting him for blasphemy.

This case will hinge on whether the posting of the image is indecent or grossly offensive (the act makes no effort whatsoever to define these terms), and if it can be shown there was an intention to cause distress or anxiety.

I find the idea that the police would arrest someone exercising articles 18 and 19 of the universal declaration of human rights is grossly offensive. There reason for publishing it on their web pages would have been to cause anxiety to anyone thinking of repeating this action.

It therefore follows, that the Police should arrest themselves for breach of the same act.

I see the fascists are out tonight.

@3

Malicious Communications includes electronic posting. Act below, mercifully brief.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1

is it just me or is the clock wrong on these postings? is LC still enjoying BST?

Is it against the law now in the UK to be a twat? Somebody arrest the Kent Police.

Slippery slope effect on speech in full effect, how long until it is illegal to criticise the government?

14. lally crumble

I’ve just fire to a daisy

Try this news:

Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association starts poppy appeal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20109337

Good – idiot deserves to be arrested.

Anyone who disrespects our fallen want the full weight of the law bringing down on them.. When you have lost friends and family who try to protect this country you will understand why.. All you idiots think its freedom of speech want hanging

Result! I’m pleased I paid a small part, together with the many other offended Facebook users, in this idiots downfall. I’m one of the people that emailed the police, his college and his rugby club. If that makes me a fascist, long live fascism and down with tree huggers.

Just cos someone coz you doesn’t mean we can lock ‘em up (actually I think we can, bizarrely). People should be able to wear what they want, burn what they want, speak what they want, as long as they’re not threatening violence, harassing somebody, or being grossly indecent (e.g. nudity in a sexualised nature, etc.). Each of those still have room for common sense. Burning poppies, or flags (EU anyone? ;D), or any other symbol, needn’t be an arrestable offence.

Errrr….. Hang on, how is it that someone is arrested for posting a Photo and yet No arrests were made last year when protestors burnt poppies at the Remembrance Day Service while screaming death to our servicemen????

We shouldn’t jail people for offending our sensibilities.

20: as long as you don’t write it down or transmit it over the net, it’s free speech.

who cares? he had to buy it to burn it and the whole point is money goes to charity.

People throw these away after a while and its not like they get arrested for binning them.. what the hell

“This is the world the Left wanted and passed laws to create.”

That, to be quite frank, is a lie.

Stupid and offensive perhaps but entitled to have and express an opinion. In what way is it malicious (Malice intent to do harm). Two actions should result from this one the police should be prosecuted with false arrest and two all police stations should have to buy a good dictionary.

Does anyone not notice the massive irony in this?

Millions of our brave service men and women sacrificed their lives for the freedom of expression that man was arrested for.

GOOD!! Severe ignorance on this boys part!! i saw the post on facebook. This was posted with the caption “how do you like this you squadey cunts” the evening before remembrance day, with then “only kidding” commented afterwards… Linney Power House(the guy in question) deserves what comes next. its just unfortunate for him that, for once, our justice system are doing something to stop this kind of thing… We’d soon be on our high horses if they didn’t!
Lest We Forget!
I have nothing but respect for our troops, fallen, past and present and would be disgraced if something wasn’t done about this by a BRITISH WHITE MALE!
He is known to my family, as are his family, so this isn’t just the case of an internet ‘troll’ or an extremist, this is an ignorant young BOY.
Shame on him!

I hope he get royally fucked up in the nick

Are the Daily Heil and St*rmfr*ntbottom websites down this morning, or what?

BTW, what happened to the piece about the BBC which was on this site last night? Censorship on LC? How piquant!

I always thought ‘our boys’ died for freedom of expression and all that shite…

As I see it arresting someone for using their freedom of speech to express something like this is entirely missing the point of the freedom those heroes fought and died for in the first place.

Freedom is only freedom if you allow those who you disagree with to express themselves, its easy to let those you DO agree with to express themselves.

Also what a waste of taxpayers money. Don’t the police have better things to do with their time?

SMFS @6: The editorial people (person?) at LibCon, and many of the self-professed leftie commenters (incl. my own)have not taken the line you ascribe to them/would like to think they have taken.

This is completely wrong. I think the boys in blue are taking their cultural sensitivity awareness training too seriously. I mean, when the left ceaselessly and ultra-vociferously called for sensitivity to people’s feelings and subsequently created the sensitivity industry, they weren’t intending it to be applied to gross racist, imperialist, colonialist white feelings!
Perhaps they’re just trying to be even-handed. Joking apart, aren’t a lot of LC types from down the south-east? Why don’t you go and picket the cop shop?

Tom @30. Only sometimes. The Empire wasn’t carved out without killing large numbers of native peoples.
The poppy campaign sweeps this all under the carpet.

Even after WW1, returned British troops were over in Ireland subjugating the people there.

Is LC advertising on the Daily Mail website or something? The majority of these posts show no understanding of liberalism at all. Clearly absurd to arrest someone for burning a poppy.

As I had already said when we discussed Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 – http://andreasmoser.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/communications-act-2005/ – the only way to stop this nonsense is we all burn a poppy now and post the photo and then inform police. We can make clear that we have nothing against the veterans, but that we are doing this out of protest against the police action. Only if police will be inundated with cases like these will they come to their senses and stop.
(Yes, I’d do it myself, but I am currently in Lithuania. No poppy and no bobby to be seen far and wide.)

@27 SO210

You are right.

Having looked at his post (and related post), he appears to be an attention seeking adolescent, with no agenda other than to shock (I think what Crass called “Smash the Cystern” anarchists).

The police have given him the publicity he craves, and in doing so have stretched the use of a poorly worded act, and abused it by applying it in an area it was not intended for.

Jesus Christ the lefties are swinging from the trees on here. Do you lot not understand the severity behind this? Do you actually understand what a poppy is? You’re all so far up your own backsides everything you say is shit. The fact the each poppy represents a fallen serviceman from a conflict in which this great country was defended and our views with it, and the fact it was burnt on the evening of Remembrance Sunday, it is wholly disrespectful to those family mourning victims of LABOURS war. And those veterans who fought in the First World War and the Second World War, Burma, Northern Ireland, the Falklands, and every other conflict. I come from a military background and YOU LOT wouldn’t be allowed to view your opinions of it wasn’t for the British military. So show some bloody respect you bunch of selfish cry baby’s. by the way he is not some poor man, his name is linney power house. Go look at his profile. He is SCUM.

It is possible to have respect for the Armed Forces and still uphold belief in freedom of speech…Whatever you think about this post(I think it’s nasty) the poster should still have the right to post it….Words and FB posts are very different from actions.I am angered every time I see fundy muslims dissing our country or nationalist fascists dissing immigrants but I would rather they said what they wanted to – apart from anything, it’s good to know thine enemy.If we dont have freedom of speech then we are bad as the taliban the army has been fighting….

James@38 – well, why stop there? Why not allow the police to arrest anyone disfiguring the Union flag, or using it as a pattern for clothing or wallpaper? Tell you what, why not arrest anyone who treats a poppy roughly, throwing it in the street or in a bin?

Sorry, your response is over the top and reactionary. And before you try to smear me as some kind of hippieleftyblahblah, know that my father was in the RAF, my grandfather flew in WW2, and my great-grandfather flew in WW1. Not a pacifist, but I`m not a great honking idiot.

The fact the each poppy represents a fallen serviceman from a conflict in which this great country was defended and our views with it

And every cross represents the man who died for our sins…
Still, as modern idols go the poppy is fairly nice to look at, and it isn’t a golden calf at the very least.

Mike cobley @-40 They’re not disfiguring the union flag by using it as clothing or wallpaper, in a way that is celebrating it. Disrespecting is burning it. Which is treason. And well there you go then. I take it your relatives survived the war? How many of there freinds did? My father served in both gulf wars with the Royal Navy, my uncle served in the 22nd regiment (that’s the SAS) in the first and second gulf war, Northern Ireland and other conflicts, my grandfather on my mothers side fought in the Falklands war, Borneo, Burma and Korea with the Royal Navy, my grandfather on my fathers side was on convoy protection duty in the Atlantic, the med, and the Russian convoys, he was involved in the evacuation of Dunkirk with the Royal Navy. My list is endless. I am extreamly offended that some pathetic lowlife human being could be so heartless on the eve of Remembrance Sunday. I beg to differ, you seem to be the captain of honking idiots. How else do you expect someone who actually recognises the massive sacrifices made by those brave men to react? How would you feel if someone burned your grandfathers uniform? Or shouted at him saying he was scum and a murderer. Wake up and smell the wrong done here boy.

Cylux @-41. Well done on the religious bit. There is no proof of religion. The poppy is complete proof of thousands of men dying.

This young lad is an idiot but that doesnt warrent an arrest. Soldiers who fought in both world wars did so to preserve our freedom and like it or not that includes those who have a differing view. I do have a problem with the armed forces not the troops themselves but those in charge. Ordinary soldiers are treated in an appalling manner. A relative of mine has recently left the army. He served at all the trouble spots and had a number of close calls. It depresses him at the amount of funerals of killed soldiers he has gone to. He has injured friends who the army dont give a toss about. He doesnt like all this hero worship and it makes him angry that people dont realise how abusive those in charge of the armed forces are. what he has told me has really shocked me. Instead of moaning about some silly teenager how about asking the mod to look after our armed forces and their families properly and not treat them like crap which is what they are doing at the moment.

I’m afraid there is an element of “if you can’t beat em, join em”, or “what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander” here. We used to be phlegmatic, shoulder-shrugging types, but now that the burning of a Quran evokes over-reaction from the police and the Guardian-reading classes, and there’s no chance of reversing the zeitgeist, people take the line, “if they can do it, I might as well do it too” just to assert a level playing field. But in so doing, they are sinking to the level of Islamist and Guardianistas.

46. Man on Clapham Omnibus

It’s sad that someone wants to burn poppies but nonetheless quite understandable. Many servicemen and woman died fighting for freedom in the 20 Century and despite the hypocrisy of war,in my opinion deserved to be remembered. Contrast this with the wanton act of illegal international terrorism on the country of Iraq perpetrated by the British and US in the quest for oil.

Not only has the illegal war increased radicalism and revulsion for the warlike behaviour of the British but inevitably this has stained the image of the men and women of the armed forces. I think the people that really should be locked up are those warmongers who have besmirched the image of the poppy and what it represents.

@Senua – Spot on.

“… behind the facade of concern and mourning for the hundreds of thousands of dead, there is actually a militarisation and sanctification by church, state and monarchy which allows us to actually forget that war is a highly political act carried out for highly political aims not usually in the interests of those who suffer most from its consequences.” Peter Thompson.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/nov/11/remembrance-sunday-atheist

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/08/remembrance-day-poppy-armistice-ted-harrison_n_2095394.html

Remembrance Day has become only another photo opportunity for the “Great and the Good” to parade themselves and their crocodile sympathy over the wars they are forever fomenting and the people they send out to die for them. They are the most shameless of all.

This Linney House bloke is merely one more online idiot who never sees more than two inches in front of his own nose and out for his 15 minutes of fame. He’s just a symptom, not the disease.

42 So your whole family has been living off the state for decades then.

The poppy appeal has been hyjacked by the brownshirts and politicised as a way of supporting govt wars for oil. It was never meant to be like this. The poppy is supposed to be a voluntary purchase that you choose to make to honour the dead of the first world war. This was then ex tented to take in the second world war.

But in the last 20 year the right wing have hijacked the poppy, and used it to bash people over the head who don’t support many of the modern “wars of choice. The right wing press started running campaigns against the BBC for not insuring everyone who appears must wear a poppy. Wearing a poppy on TV is now compulsory. Such is the intimidation from the knuckle draggers for blind obedience to the cause. Can you imagine forcing right wingers to wear pink ribbons for aids? There would be, rightly, an outcry.

As a result of this blatant politicising of the poppy, and the sinister way it is being imposed on people I will no longer buy or wear one.

Sally
I think that you’re pig headed. Are you calling me right Wing? I work and raise money for charity’s, including Aids. I am completely against what that brat did to that poppy. You are sounding like an uneducated fool who thinks everyone who doesn’t share your opinions as right Wing faciests. And brown shirts? Crawl out your cave love and look at the world today. Brown shirts are gone. Instead you’re picking on people who are defending the service men who defended you against the brown shirts. So do us a favour. Get educated. Properly.

Senu
May I make a suggestion that your relative contact SAAFER if he needs help. They look after men who are suffering from PTSD. Also get his injured freinds to contact them as well. I am on your side over the treatment of the soldiers, but you must see the wrong on what he did

James@48etc – Look, I understand the aggravation that you feel over this, but you really are letting your heartfelt emotions get the better of you. Your position is that the poppy-burning plonker should have been arrested; so, the logic of that position says that anyone disfiguring/disrespecting any symbol associated with the armed forces during combat operations should likewise expected to get banged up. Correct?

You say that you are extremely offended, but honestly arent there other situations and events taking place here and elsewhere more deserving of our outrage?

James don’t lecture me about servicemen and woman. My dad fought in the second world war for my freedom. I respect those that laid down their lives for this country.

But they fought for freedom. That means the freedom to buy, and wear a poppy. Or not too. And , to burn a poppy if they choose. But many of the wars of the last 20 years have not been about protecting our freedom. What I particularly dislike is this subtle, sinister pressure to wear a poopy that has been pushed by people who have a clear political agenda.

It is precisely this hysteria, so well demonstrated by your hysterical response that puts me off buying a poppy anymore. Funny thing is before this oppressive culture of forced poppy wearing, nobody ever burnt one.

People who support this arrest are against the freedoms the soldiers are supposed to have been fighting for: they are shitting on their graves.

Mike cobley
Ok you have a fair point I am pretty upset by what’s happened, just because there are other things we can be outraged at doesn’t mean we can’t be outraged at this as well. I don’t think they should be banged up for disfiguring icons of the armed forces, but they shouldn’t do it out of respect, and if they do it and are stupid enough to put on social networking sites, they should expect consequences for there actions. I am not someone who is against human rights/freedom of speech etc etc but what does get me flared up is malicious behaviour with no apparent reasoned argument behind it. If I where chatting to you in the pub and you said to me I do not agree with the poppy appeal and explained your reasons I would listen to you and debate politely. However if you said to me that goon who burned the poppy is a hero I would tell you where to stick that theory and leave. The point of the matter is, he burned a poppy on the eve of Remembrance Sunday, as an inflammatory gesture. A soldier hit him in a pub apparently because said goon was lippy. To do an act like that and put on Facebook purely because his pride was dented is plain wrong. And unfortunately we are in a situation where someone burned the Quran and was jailed for it because it rightly upset the Muslim community, a lot of people, veterans, family’s, bereaved, and others are also upset and distressed by what he has done and wouldn’t be fair if he got a criminal record for it at least?

They’d be being more honest if they were arresting him for blasphemy.

This.

We get more like a theocracy every day.

Sally.
Forced poppy wearing? When has some one come up to you and said
“You must wear a poppy or I’ll kill you” ?
The ironic thing is since labour lost all of a sudden things have got so bad everyone is squabbling. I apologise for my outburst it was uncalled for, but the matter of the fact is what has been done is sickening. Your dad fought in the war. That’s great. He defended this country against a tyrant. But what I’m saying is a poppy is a mark of that sacrifice. Even if you don’t believe in the wars of today, you should wear it to remember those of the first and Second World War. Do you not see my point? Have you seen this cretins facebook page? He is an animal. It may of been sheer stupidly that he did it but he shouldn’t have posted it to Facebook and especially on the eve of Remembrance Sunday. So he should have action taken against him.

127 Improper use of public electronic communications network

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or

(b)causes any such message or matter to be so sent.

The issue here has nothing to do with poppies or our armed forces.

The above statute requires the police, the CPS and then the courts to make a judgement about whether a communication is “grossly offensive”. Such a judgement is inevitably liable to subjective interpretation and is therefore capable of being used for the purpose of persecution. Freedom of speech cannot be tempered by the opinion of the majority- it must be an absolute right or it is a meaningless concept.

Like so much of the statute law enacted over the last twenty years the Communications Act 2003 is quite simply BAD LAW and therefore intrinsically incapable of sustaining a justifiable prosecution.

58. Chaise Guevara

@ 55 James

Under what specific rule do you think he should have action taken against him? The Doing Things James Doesn’t Like Act?

Let’s assume that you don’t actually believe that your personal triggers should be what determines what is legal to say – that there is general cutoff after which offensiveness should be outlawed. In that case:

The problem is that we have a law that allows for pretty much any statement, especially a contraversial one, to be squeezed through the definition of “guilty”. And what this means in practice is that you get done if the police find your comment effective and a district judge agrees.

I’m sure you regularly say things that some people would find offensive, unless you never comment about anything other than the weather. For a start, I am offended by your disdain for free speech. Do you think it would be reasonable if you were jailed for that? Of course it wouldn’t. But if you think that saying something someone else finds very offensive should be illegal, the logical extention of your argument is that everyone ought to be in jail.

Great, Sunny. I fully agree that however vile this man is he should not be arrested for burning a poppy.

Now can you explain why now, why you never so much as posted an article, let alone denounced the conviction of a British man for burning a Koran and filming that? And can you also explain why LC took such a different attitude towards the US Pastor who wanted to burn a Koran?

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/09/10/burning-books-is-rarely-just-about-the-book-is-it/

“Burning a Qur’an isn’t about burning paper and card: it’s about eradicating ideas, which is why Heinrich Heine was once moved to comment, “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”

[...]

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not suggesting the Pastor is definitely about to embark on a killing spree.

I’m saying he is treading very dangerous ground; I’m saying that once you deem an idea so threatening that it must be destroyed, suddenly all kinds of behaviour become acceptable.

As one sage commenter put it, “the Pastor will have blood on his hands if he proceeds with this madness.” Indeed.”

So clarify this: will there be ‘blood on the hands’ of the man arrested for burning a poppy if subsequently some thug decides to attack or kill innocent Muslims in retaliation and cites this as ‘provocation’? Or haven’t you thought that far ahead. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting he was about to embark on a killing spree…. etc.

You are hypocrites. And short-sighted ones at that.

56. pagar

Thank you pagar. Lets get this thread back on topic. Yes poppies are ahem an inflammatory issue, and rightly so. What is gained by making criminals out of people saying stupid things?

61. Chaise Guevara

By the way, not that it would justify anything, but do you guys not think that the arrest may at least in part be due to the word blurred out in the Facebook picture?

I apologise for my outburst it was uncalled for, but the matter of the fact is what has been done is sickening.

Arresting someone for burning a bit of paper and plastic is sickening.

Pissing tax-payer’s money up the wall prosecuting someone for fuck all is sickening.

Your dad fought in the war. That’s great. He defended this country against a tyrant. But what I’m saying is a poppy is a mark of that sacrifice.

The right to free speech is a mark of that sacrifice; the poppy is a fetish – like the cheep plastic tat sold at Lourdes.

63. Chaise Guevara

@ Lamia

“You are hypocrites. And short-sighted ones at that.”

Um, there’s a difference between condemning an act (I’d say the burning of the poppy and the Koran were both childish and irresponsible) and calling for people who carry out that act to be banned.

Unless Sunny’s on the record as saying that the Koran dude should have been jailed, it ain’t hypocrisy.

62 tax payers money going on your council estate. Sickening. So I take it none of you see the point? You’re all to wrapped up in your pink and fluffy world to actually recognise a wrong doing? It’s no wonder the country’s in a mess. I suppose you’re all labour supporters too? Well thank you for putting this country on the rocks. I am actually sickened by all of you. You are the fist letter in pathetic. Next time there’s a terrorist attack or a mad man threatening our way of life you’re all on your own. Go tickle the pickle of him and see if kissing his arse gets you any where. And besides you’re all out numbered anyway. This stupid boy is going down. You’ll see. There are enough decent people left to make sure he gets his comeuppance. So I’ll leave you all to debate and chit chat away on here like small pathetic children while the rest of us actually do something with our lives.

65. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells

Poppies, one of the few genuine examples of ‘pc gone mad’.

People who support this arrest are against the freedoms the soldiers are supposed to have been fighting for: they are shitting on their graves.

Woah there, joined up thinking? The mouth breathing “THEY DIED FOR OUR FREEDOMS SO DON’T SAY ANYTHING I DON’T LIKE” brigade won’t appreciate that.

This is the world the Left wanted and passed laws to create.

Liar.

66. Chaise Guevara

Unlike we small pathetic children, James knows that the most mature way to lose an argument is to take your ball and go home.

@ Shatterface and Disgusted

I love how the people who constantly remind you that soldiers died for your freedoms always think that you should therefore waive said freedoms out of respect for the opinions of the soldiers.

And funnily enough, all those soldiers agreed with the person speaking. Amazing.

Shatterface @62:

“The right to free speech is a mark of that sacrifice; the poppy is a fetish – like the cheep plastic tat sold at Lourdes.”

This. In spades.

The laws under which people can be arrested, charged, tried, handed a criminal record and/or imprisoned for things like this can now clearly be seen as not merely daft, but actively dangerous.

All it needs is for one a***hole (it wasn’t you, by any chance, James? You do seem to be suffering from a bad case of cranio-rectal co-location…

…and before you say anything more, my lad, I had two uncles who were POWs of the Divine Emperor – one of whom never fully recovered)…

…As I say, all it needs is for one self-righteous twerp (or someone who can fake outrage like a porn actress fakes her climaxes, i.e. just about convincingly enough to fool the gullible) and the police are practically obliged to drag someone from his home, hold him in custody for hours or days before throwing him in front of some pompous bumwipe of a District Judge (née Stipendiary Magistrate) or clueless lay Magistrate who can play to the gallery – sometimes literally – before ruining someone’s future.

And for what? Words, just bloody words. Or a photograph where no-one was injured and all that happened was a piece of plastic and paper was set alight.

It is those who practically wet themselves with glee at the prospect of this occuring time and time again who are the ones who need urgent attention.

@ Chaise

“Unless Sunny’s on the record as saying that the Koran dude should have been jailed, it ain’t hypocrisy.”

Sunny and LC had nothing to say about the Koran burner being jailed. Apparently it wasn’t important enough, although it was covered in the media. The arrest (NB, not even conviction) of the poppy burner, oddly, suddenly makes it an urgent free speech matter. I’d call that selective standards.

I am still also interested in whether Sunny will be describing the poppy burner as ‘having blood on his hands’ should some ‘provoked’ thug take out his ‘offence’ on innocent Muslims. I doubt it very much – because that would be a sick moving of blame. Just as it was a sick moving of blame of LC to say the same of the Pastor, however much of a childish twat he is.

Why did James just call us all the letter p?

@68 We talking about the Koran burner who stole the Koran from a Carlisle Library before he burned it?

@ Cylux,

Yes, one of those instances refers to him. He was jailed for religiously aggravated harassment and theft. NB, not just for theft, so the loophole you may have in mind closes.

And LC didn’t mind that. So I would like it explained why by contrast it has a problem with this burner being arrested, and whether or not the poppy burner will have ‘blood on his hands’ if some nut decides to be ‘provoked’ into attacking someone as a result of this.

It’s double standards, however you try to spin it.

@ Shatterface

“It is those who practically wet themselves with glee at the prospect of this occuring time and time again who are the ones who need urgent attention.”

I don’t think there is anyone who matches that description. There are those who are against such arrests, and those who are happy enough to see them in some cases but not others, depending on who is burning what. Sunny and LC fit the latter category.

Oh, and one last thing about this shoddy arrest. Is it any wonder that if your house gets broken into or your car gets stolen the police won’t find the culprit?

Why? Because plod is too busy sitting in the warm ,with a cup of coffee reading Facebook and twitter. And when they do get off their backsides it is to don riot gear, and stand outside Starbucks or Top shop. And it’s going to get a lot worse if some of the numpties who are running for this new police oversight job get elected.

Why did James just call us all the letter p?

He also called us ‘the fist letter in the word pathetic.’

Also, take a look at his other brainfarts:

Next time there’s a terrorist attack or a mad man threatening our way of life you’re all on your own. Go tickle the pickle of him and see if kissing his arse gets you any where.

Because soldiers will be too busy crying over someone burning a flower to do their fucking jobs.

And besides you’re all out numbered anyway. This stupid boy is going down. You’ll see. There are enough decent people left to make sure he gets his comeuppance.

You want to know what our soldiers fought against? Take a look in the mirror next time you are combing your toothbrush moustache.

Lamia, your whole argument, such as it is, relies on the the equivalence of “not posting an article opposing something” with “not minding” it.

Which is an utter pile.

It’s the feeblest trolling gambit of the lot. But I guess it’s what you have to resort to when you can’t find a quote to wrench out of context, precisely because no such quote exists. Hey! I notice that you haven’t written an article condemning Vlad the Impaler. Therefore I shall assume that you don’t mind him.

So he wasn’t done for vandalism as well as theft then?

@ Cylux,

as far as I am aware, no. From what I have read, as I have already said, he was convicted of religiously aggravated harassment and theft. So it won’t do to imply the difference is in the theft and/or vandalism of the Koran, because that’s not all he was convicted for. It’s quite straightforward if you are prepared to approach this logically and honestly.

@ Larry

“Hey! I notice that you haven’t written an article condemning Vlad the Impaler. Therefore I shall assume that you don’t mind him.”

if

1. Vlad the Impaler had been up to his deeds in the last year or so, and

2. I ignored that but made a big deal of the next person who got up to equivalent behaviour, treating it as if it set some sort of precedent,

then you would have a case for holding to me to account as a hypocrite. But I haven’t so you don’t. So stop talking rubbish.

77. Chaise Guevara

“Sunny and LC had nothing to say about the Koran burner being jailed. Apparently it wasn’t important enough, although it was covered in the media. The arrest (NB, not even conviction) of the poppy burner, oddly, suddenly makes it an urgent free speech matter. I’d call that selective standards.”

I agree that Sunny has selective standards when it comes to presenting Muslims as victims or antagonists, but a few things:

1) Is the poppy guy even a Muslim? If not, how is the comparison relevant?
2) If we’re looking at the same story, the Koran burner thing happened a year and a half ago. We have recently had a spate of incidents where people have been locked up for expressing their opinions, bringing these cases to the fore in the intervening period.
3) Arresting someone for poppy burning just seems sillier. People often see the desecration of their religious books as a crime against God, and while locking people up for offending these people’s beliefs is atrocious, it seems more serious than burning a poppy. Granted I have to get into the jail-the-political-undesirables mindset to understand either decision, which doesn’t come easy.

Do you at least agree that Sunny has in no way indicated that he approves of the Koran burner being jailed?

“I am still also interested in whether Sunny will be describing the poppy burner as ‘having blood on his hands’ should some ‘provoked’ thug take out his ‘offence’ on innocent Muslims. I doubt it very much – because that would be a sick moving of blame. Just as it was a sick moving of blame of LC to say the same of the Pastor, however much of a childish twat he is.”

Blame is not a zero-sum game. If some thug beats up a Muslim over the poppy thing, that thug is to blame. How we then describe the poppy-burner is irrelevant. If we denounce the poppy-burner for his irresponsible act, we don’t have to take a certain amount of time off the thug’s jail sentence.

Criminals are responsible for their own actions, but so is everyone else. It’s a simple fact that instigating outrage is a risk factor for encouraging violence. We need to stop treating blame like it’s a finite resource, where each incident is assigned a Blame Pool to be shared out between the people involved.

Lamia @71:

Shatterface didn’t write that, I did.

Lamia, did you submit an article to Sunny for publication on LC about the Koran burner?

@ Chaise

“People often see the desecration of their religious books as a crime against God, and while locking people up for offending these people’s beliefs is atrocious, it seems more serious than burning a poppy.”

Well you are entitled to think that but a lot of people may find burning a poppy more offensive than burning a religious book. So who gets to decide which is more offensive? The person who shouts (and possibly threatens) loudest?

“Do you at least agree that Sunny has in no way indicated that he approves of the Koran burner being jailed?”

I am not sure I do. We know that when the US pastor threatened to burn one, LC’s angle on it was not “we-defend-his-right-even-though-he’s-an-idiot” but to state he would have “blood on his hands” if he did so and people reacted violently.

“Blame is not a zero-sum game. If some thug beats up a Muslim over the poppy thing, that thug is to blame.”

I agree. But as I have pointed out, LC took the opposite stance re the Pastor when he threatened to burn a Koran. So why the double standards?

“It’s a simple fact that instigating outrage is a risk factor for encouraging violence.”

But you have just said that “If some thug beats up a Muslim over the poppy thing, that thug is to blame” – which I agree with. Now you appear to be adding that the poppy burner might also carry some blame for that. Is that right? Or is it only Koran burners who can be blameworthy?

My position is that poppy-burners and Koran-burners alike are twats, but that they are not responsible for any violence that follows in the wake of that – only the people who commit the violence are. That is not, however, the position of LC, which seems to think the burner of a Koran counts as having ‘blood on their hands’ if some nut takes subsequently takes it out on someone else.

@ UnityUk

“Lamia, did you submit an article to Sunny for publication on LC about the Koran burner?”

No. I thought he might write one – a reasonable presumption in view of the fact that he did write one on this. And as I am pointing out for the fifth or sixth time, LC DID publish an article about the US pastor who threatened to burn a Koran, blaming him for any resulting violence. So it’s not a just a matter of omission, it’s a matter of different attitudes to koran-burning and poppy-burning in actual existing articles on LC.

81. So Much for Subtlety

67. The Judge

The laws under which people can be arrested, charged, tried, handed a criminal record and/or imprisoned for things like this can now clearly be seen as not merely daft, but actively dangerous.

So are you willing to call for an end to those sections of the Racial Discrimination Act that makes similar acts illegal? Are you willing to say that Carol Thatcher was poorly done by when she was fired by the BBC?

…As I say, all it needs is for one self-righteous twerp (or someone who can fake outrage like a porn actress fakes her climaxes, i.e. just about convincingly enough to fool the gullible) and the police are practically obliged to drag someone from his home, hold him in custody for hours or days before throwing him in front of some pompous bumwipe of a District Judge (née Stipendiary Magistrate) or clueless lay Magistrate who can play to the gallery – sometimes literally – before ruining someone’s future.

Practically obliged? They won’t come to visit if your home is burgled. They will not arrest a thief if you give them the guy’s name and address. The police are not obliged to do a damn thing. It is just that we have stuffed the senior management with politically correct sociology graduates and they think that these laws are just peachy. Community relations and all that.

But by all means, let’s all agree that such laws are wrong and it shouldn’t be a crime to call a footballer a rude word over twitter shall we?

It is those who practically wet themselves with glee at the prospect of this occuring time and time again who are the ones who need urgent attention.

A large number of those people write here at LC. These laws may be aimed at neo-Nazis but they do not stop there. The mistake was when we did not let the BUF march down Cable Street. Once “community outrage” is deemed more important than the actual law, all the rest follows.

The really challenging issue is what action would the Police have taken if someone had posted a picture of the burning of the Vatican on Facebook to celebrate the decision of the Australian government to appoint a commission of inquiry to investigate allegations that the Catholic church in New South Wales in Australia attempted to cover-up abuse of children by Catholic priests. The news report on the BBC website is well concealed but it is retrievable with a little googling:

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard has announced a national inquiry into institutional responses to the sexual abuse of children. The move followed pressure from lawmakers amid police claims the Roman Catholic Church had concealed evidence of paedophile priests. . . In September, the Roman Catholic Church in the Australian state of Victoria confirmed that more than 600 children had been sexually abused by its priests since the 1930s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20293601

These people just want the fame and by making this huge news we are giving them what they want.
I think we should do what we tell children ignore them and do not give them the publicity.

Even though I am going against this by posting this comment.

Lamia,

My position is that poppy-burners and Koran-burners alike are twats, but that they are not responsible for any violence that follows in the wake of that – only the people who commit the violence are.

If you take some action in the full knowledge that violence (which would otherwise not happen) is highly likely to follow, then you have some responsibility when it does. Obviously. And equally obviously, that does not lessen the responsibility of those who actually carry out the violence, because as Chaise says, responsibility is not zero sum – there is no limit to the amount to be shared around. I wrote an article about this once, in another context.

You’ve obviously been spending too much time at Harry’s Place, who’ve spent the last decade trying to pretend that this piece of obvious common sense is some sort of disgraceful apologetics for tyranny (mainly because they didn’t want any responsibility for the bloody consequences of a certain disastrous war they supported).

Back to the current case, the Koran burning pastor was clearly in this camp. If someone privately burnt a Koran and posted it on their facebook page that would be different from the sort of publicity stunt Terry Jones was pulling. Today’s poppy burner isn’t in that camp – the only violence he’s likely to provoke would be directed against him personally. Again, if he’d held a poppy-burning ceremony in Newton Basset as the coffins were coming home, that would be different and he might well have provoked a riot.

It’s not “double standards” to observe that two things are in certain relevant respects, quite different.

85. Chaise Guevara

@ 80 Lamia

“Well you are entitled to think that but a lot of people may find burning a poppy more offensive than burning a religious book. So who gets to decide which is more offensive? The person who shouts (and possibly threatens) loudest?”

We’re talking about Sunny’s personal opinion and motives as regards posting on Sunny’s site. So it should be bloody obvious that Sunny gets to decide.

“I am not sure I do. We know that when the US pastor threatened to burn one, LC’s angle on it was not “we-defend-his-right-even-though-he’s-an-idiot” but to state he would have “blood on his hands” if he did so and people reacted violently.”

Was the pastor arrested for expressing his opinion? I thought he was just fined for breaking fire regulations.

“I agree. But as I have pointed out, LC took the opposite stance re the Pastor when he threatened to burn a Koran. So why the double standards?”

Question based on false priors. LC did not take the “opposite stance”. The two stances are not even mutually exclusive, let alone opposed.

“But you have just said that “If some thug beats up a Muslim over the poppy thing, that thug is to blame” – which I agree with. Now you appear to be adding that the poppy burner might also carry some blame for that. Is that right? Or is it only Koran burners who can be blameworthy?”

What? Why on earth would I have a theory of blame that made a special exception for Koran-burners and nobody else? Of course I’d apply the same standards to the poppy-burner. Yeesh.

“My position is that poppy-burners and Koran-burners alike are twats, but that they are not responsible for any violence that follows in the wake of that – only the people who commit the violence are.”

So are the two instigators not responsible for their own actions, even though violence occurred that would not have occurred had they not decided to antagonise people? Why do they get a free pass for their irresponsible behaviour?

86. Chaise Guevara

@ Lamia

Say that you shared a flat with a friend, and the friend went out and left the front door open all day, as a result of which your flat got burgled. Would you honestly not be even a little annoyed with your friend, even though he didn’t steal your stuff? Would you not feel that he had a responsibility to check the door was closed?

Absolutely appalling.

It’s “squaddie cunts” not “squadey cunts”.

was the Police officer who arrrested this bloke a riot police man outside parliament, then why that picture,


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  2. Tauriq Moosa

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  3. Rhodri

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  4. Rhodri

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  5. William Miller

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  6. James Holley

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  7. Jono Shavelar

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  8. Alan Shore

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  11. Martin Cunningham

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  13. Leonard R Bollinger

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  15. EvelynsezYES

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  16. Tara B

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  17. Tints da killa

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  19. inverswav

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  20. Aaron Peters

    The term "police state" gets bandied abound a lot, but when you see stuff like this http://t.co/WwPdPVqW

  21. Oliver Farry

    a man's been arrested "under suspicion of malicious telecommunications" after posting a pic of burning a poppy on fb http://t.co/AW2EeY4Z

  22. Doc Odin

    Comments on this worth a read if only to see Islamophobes defending the burning of poppies. Or something. http://t.co/f1wlRY5V #poppygate

  23. Daniel Weichman

    The term "police state" gets bandied abound a lot, but when you see stuff like this http://t.co/WwPdPVqW

  24. declandebarra

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  25. jamesjohnsons

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  26. solisartis

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  27. Charles Gillies

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  28. Tom Darby

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  29. Loss of Privacy

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  30. Ally Tibbitt

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  31. Think Left

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  32. Pam

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  33. Pam

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  34. PuterBunneh

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  35. PuterBunneh

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  36. Erwin Postma

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  37. Clytie

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  38. Karl Kemp-O'Brien

    I wonder what it'd be like to live in a country that had any legally protected notion of freedom of expression. http://t.co/JtZiFBWk

  39. Dan Wood

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  43. Domhnall Dods

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  44. Wally van der Hoest

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  51. Adam Wagner

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  67. Kate Maclean

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  68. Nelson Cook

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  69. Jessica Pigg

    Police arrest a man for posting picture of burning a poppy on Facebook http://t.co/3a4Ps0n2 (from last night)

  70. Cllr Graham Walker

    Police arrest a man for posting picture of burning a poppy on Facebook http://t.co/3a4Ps0n2 (from last night)

  71. Sarah Ayub

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  72. Martin Williams

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  73. Jessica Pigg

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  75. Claire Marshall

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  76. Jessica Pigg

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  77. Craig Mason

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  78. Nick P

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  79. Kat

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  80. Morning Round-Up: Monday 12 November | Legal Cheek

    [...] Morning Round-Up: Monday 12 November Posted on November 12, 2012 by Legal Cheek Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy [Kent Police via David Allen Green on Twitter]  [Also see Liberal Conspiracy] [...]

  81. Seth Dresden Wheeler

    Man arrested for posting picture of burning poppy http://t.co/XWWwicv6

  82. Mediocre Dave

    Madness. RT @sethnotes: Man arrested for posting picture of burning poppy http://t.co/V1y5L7ev

  83. andrew

    Police arrest man for posting picture of burning … – Liberal Conspiracy: POLICE have tonight arrested an Ayles… http://t.co/LzmPKUfm

  84. Alex Barclay

    It frightens me to project this sort of news story forward. http://t.co/0nyEofyD Yes the man is clearly a moron. But arrest? #poppyburn

  85. Charlotte John

    Another arrest for political speech on Facebook > Aylesham man arrested after burning poppy picture posted online http://t.co/CzzFt53d

  86. Rachel

    Madness. RT @sethnotes: Man arrested for posting picture of burning poppy http://t.co/V1y5L7ev

  87. Richard Hall

    Madness. RT @sethnotes: Man arrested for posting picture of burning poppy http://t.co/V1y5L7ev

  88. Arwen

    Seriously? This guy is undoubtably a prick but since when can burning a fake poppy get you arrested?? http://t.co/pqe7bcc5 #worldgonemad

  89. That Burning Poppy Tweet in Full | PitKanary

    [...] to LiberalConspiracy.org and the @Kent_999s twitter feed, I have a screengrab of the tweet which led to the [...]

  90. Graham Dallas

    Thought police in Kent http://t.co/JQCLNdEh

  91. Murray

    mygodpureideology http://t.co/uDJAN7oq #poppycock

  92. Emily Arrowsmith

    Another arrest for political speech on Facebook > Aylesham man arrested after burning poppy picture posted online http://t.co/CzzFt53d

  93. Janet Graham

    Unreal. Police in Kent arrest a man simply for posting picture on Facebook of burning a poppy http://t.co/3a4Ps0n2

  94. Janet Graham

    Remember all those people who died for our freedom? http://t.co/pDO4kRth

  95. Peter

    Wonder if modern day German Police would come knocking with an equivalent of Malicious Comms Act? Oh the bitter irony. http://t.co/O3YGfPcd

  96. Robin T Cox

    Remember all those people who died for our freedom? http://t.co/pDO4kRth

  97. Steph Farnsworth

    Wonder if modern day German Police would come knocking with an equivalent of Malicious Comms Act? Oh the bitter irony. http://t.co/O3YGfPcd

  98. /b//läh/

    Police arrest a man for posting picture of burning a poppy on Facebook http://t.co/3a4Ps0n2 (from last night)

  99. Cal Bryant

    Wonder if modern day German Police would come knocking with an equivalent of Malicious Comms Act? Oh the bitter irony. http://t.co/O3YGfPcd

  100. Magic Paul

    Wonder if modern day German Police would come knocking with an equivalent of Malicious Comms Act? Oh the bitter irony. http://t.co/O3YGfPcd

  101. Elaine Paterson

    “@rattlecans: I'm sorry. This is disgraceful. Arresting a man for a photo of a burning poppy? WTF? http://t.co/3y2w2eaO via @GuyAitchison

  102. Richard

    Police arrest a man for posting picture of burning a poppy on Facebook http://t.co/3a4Ps0n2 (from last night)

  103. Lois McEwan

    Wonder if modern day German Police would come knocking with an equivalent of Malicious Comms Act? Oh the bitter irony. http://t.co/O3YGfPcd

  104. Steve Chanyi

    May be alone. I find the arrest more of an insult to those who gave their lives for liberty then the original offence. http://t.co/PK0MGzhG

  105. larryni

    Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy http://t.co/AQM8Ptuy via @libcon #crazy

  106. Gary Adair

    @EdSimpsonNI @bobbyblowdart Stop arresting everyone,are we now a totalitarian state (prob be arrested for saying this)? http://t.co/TUUbrzpp

  107. newg

    Madness. RT @sethnotes: Man arrested for posting picture of burning poppy http://t.co/V1y5L7ev

  108. Max Weedon

    Top story from BA1 Records Times: Police arrest man for posting picture of burning … http://t.co/RX7kiOFy, see more http://t.co/gtGxw4re

  109. Mark Smith

    Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy http://t.co/uXKwvGm4 #itsNotIllegalToInsultSomeone

  110. m_sobah

    RT @libcon: Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy http://t.co/I68jkkbL

  111. colum cronin

    english friends, worrying trend continues: police arrest man for posting photo of burning a poppy. stupid, not illegal http://t.co/e271BRNb

  112. Luke Bowley

    http://t.co/iRDkjcBa

    Jesus, stop arresting people for this shit!

  113. Luke Bowley

    http://t.co/iRDkjcBa

    Jesus, stop arresting people for this shit!

  114. Rory Seymour

    Police arrest a man for posting picture of burning a poppy on Facebook http://t.co/3a4Ps0n2 (from last night)

  115. Tim Joubert

    So I don't normally defend free speech uber alles (because speech can be harmful), but this shit is getting ridiculous: http://t.co/LrH7mRSY

  116. Rupert Murdoch

    “@INVINCIBLES03: Unreal. Police in Kent arrest a man simply for posting picture on Facebook of burning a poppy http://t.co/nzZLe2Fi””

  117. Olaf

    Buh…? RT @libcon Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy http://t.co/LNdE9LiS

  118. Stevie

    Another arrest for political speech on Facebook > Aylesham man arrested after burning poppy picture posted online http://t.co/CzzFt53d

  119. Justin O'Neill

    Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy http://t.co/SMi9gLWQ

  120. Lizzy

    @Loogiburoogi you can see a screenshot here: http://t.co/CRLMvWpR

  121. Dave Pickering

    Police arrest a man for posting picture of burning a poppy on Facebook http://t.co/3a4Ps0n2 (from last night)

  122. Mike Richards

    Thanks. Spelling police & grammar Nazis slow off mark. RT @LizzyCampbell: @Loogiburoogi you can see a screenshot here: http://t.co/DZ4DpWnB

  123. Meester Neek

    So much for freedom of speech in the UK. The police should be ashamed of themselves for wasting their own time. http://t.co/hEA4EK1N

  124. Alex McKay

    “@rattlecans: I'm sorry. This is disgraceful. Arresting a man for a photo of a burning poppy? WTF? http://t.co/3y2w2eaO via @GuyAitchison

  125. lucy

    The term "police state" gets bandied abound a lot, but when you see stuff like this http://t.co/WwPdPVqW

  126. davidgerard

    The UK police are trying very hard to make *any* political speech online seem legally risky. http://t.co/CRnJbqjg

  127. Robert Ayton

    "They fought for our freedoms" Man gets arrested for posting picture of burning poppy #rediculous http://t.co/OudqTtyr

  128. Robert Ayton

    "They fought for our freedoms" Man gets arrested for posting picture of burning poppy #rediculous
    http://t.co/OudqTtyr

  129. Kirsty Hall

    Don't they have any real crimes? RT @catvincent: Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy http://t.co/iT8FAsmY

  130. Vixtor Andreazzzzon

    The term "police state" gets bandied abound a lot, but when you see stuff like this http://t.co/WwPdPVqW

  131. Police Arrest Man For ‘Liking’ His Own Post Of A Puppy On Facebook « Pride's Purge

    [...] Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy [...]

  132. Is burning a poppy a crime? | tonypreece.co.uk

    [...] of a burning poppy is so hurtful, why are the police not banging at the door of Sunny Hundal, who instantly reprinted it on Liberal Conspiracy, or any of the thousands of us who have since shared it on social media? If [...]

  133. James Vine

    @GwynneMP @welsh_gas_doc By which I mean this http://t.co/UTsWzBZv

  134. James Vine

    @John_Cooper_QC But John, have you seen the offensive caption that accompanied the tweet? http://t.co/UTsWzBZv

  135. Tony Hatfield

    @dts1970 now seen the offending burning poppy. I didn't see the caption. This might put the author in a bit of trouble http://t.co/zLI8E3xs

  136. Michalis Famelis

    Police in Kent have arrested a man for posting a picture of him burning a poppy on Facebook. No really it’s not a joke. http://t.co/eKIyc6SF

  137. James Vine

    @DavidAllenGreen you could start with the very offensive caption appended 2 the picture, which everyone seems to ignore http://t.co/UTsWzBZv

  138. James Vine

    @DavidAllenGreen What about the very offensive caption appended to the picture which everyone seems to ignore? http://t.co/UTsWzBZv

  139. Joanna Bryson 2

    Time to move to Germany… RT @tomgara: What the hell is going on in the UK these days? National madness. http://t.co/5tPLVUw1 #poppycock

  140. Cat

    Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/uaOwuYzh via @libcon

  141. Pravin Jeya

    Another arrest for political speech on Facebook > Aylesham man arrested after burning poppy picture posted online http://t.co/CzzFt53d

  142. Anna

    Man in the UK arrested for "malicious telecommunications" after posting a photo of himself burning a poppy http://t.co/DXIwrjBF

  143. John Hutchinson

    Police in Kent have arrested a man for posting a picture of him burning a poppy on Facebook. No really it’s not a joke. http://t.co/eKIyc6SF

  144. Owen Blacker

    The UK police are trying very hard to make *any* political speech online seem legally risky. http://t.co/CRnJbqjg

  145. andreasdetorres

    Another arrest for political speech on Facebook > Aylesham man arrested after burning poppy picture posted online http://t.co/CzzFt53d

  146. AuzK

    #Kent #Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy http://t.co/NiKtnfxL

  147. jackie colleton

    Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/6xLwt6SF via @libcon

  148. Manick Govinda

    Police arrest man for posting picture of burning a poppy http://t.co/GGjcpmhl





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