Over half ATOS found ‘fit for work’ left unemployed


6:04 pm - September 26th 2012

by Sarah McAlpine    


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Over half the people ruled ‘fit to work’ by ATOS were left unemployed without any income, according to a new government study.

The department of Work and Pensions have admitted that 55% of people who lost their disability benefits after assessments with the french IT company were unable to find employment. 30% were relying on other forms of benefit and only 15% had found a job.

The DWP was forced to release the figures following a Freedom of Information request.

Public anger continues to grow towards the firm, hired by the DWP to slash the benefits bill, after assessing terminally ill claimants as ‘fit to work’. Citizens Advice Scotland alone have received over 24,000 complaints against them. Their current contract is worth £110 million.

The figures were collected through a survey of 1100 people deemed fit to work. A follow up survey of 590 claimants found 43% were still without any form of income, 28% were on other benefits and 29% had found employment. They were conducted between April and June 2009 and were included in a report for the DWP in 2011.

Earlier this week a former ATOS nurse Joyce Drummond spoke out against the firm, claiming that her role was to ‘trick’ people out of their benefits. She was instructed to assess people as fit to work if they were able to write or attended interviews properly dress- even if her medical experience indicated that they wouldn’t be able to cope with employment.

“If someone came in with a toddler in tow, they were doomed because if they could manage a child, they could surely work.”

She found the role so distressing that she left the company.

Defending their role in the crackdown on benefits, an Atos spokesperson has said “Our doctors, nurses and physiotherapists use their clinical knowledge and apply the Government’s policy and criteria to each assessment.

“We try to make the part of the process we are responsible for as comfortable as possible.”

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This is appalling but unsurprising. Will it appear in the wider media?

(I predict trolling on the basis that the OP was written by a Raging Feminist.)

Another point, if “fit for work” is the criteria, what happens if a government department contrives to have a post that consists of no more than lying down on a bed tapping a button on the side once every hour? The bar for “work” and thus being “fit for work” becomes somewhat low then doesn’t it?

Will be reported in most papers as “Government disability reform success as 70% move off benefits”

4. David Moynagh

When do the concentration camps begin so that the sick and disabled can be worked to an early death and the real spongers in the westminster tory ranks can continue to squabble like vermin over the meat from the corpses.

@3: Highly skilled Retards read Trash like The Sun, Telegraph and Daily Fail

These moronic “highly skilled” workers must only be highly skilled in Londumb.

Atos is scum pure and simple

7. Chaise Guevara

“She was instructed to assess people as fit to work if they were able to write or attended interviews properly dress- even if her medical experience indicated that they wouldn’t be able to cope with employment.”

Christ, these people are disgusting. Seriously, what kind of failed fucking human being comes up with rules like this?

I know ATOS is a four letter word round here, and I’m not a fan, however I think that for 29% of people, previously classified as unfit to work, to have found employment within three months is, actually, a pretty good result for them.

Given the propaganda from the disabled community I would have expected the figure to be infinitesimal.

@3: Highly skilled Retards read Trash like The Sun, Telegraph and Daily Fail

If you are going to pretend to support people with disabilities best avoid using words like ‘retards’.

10. Chaise Guevara

@ 8 pagar

“I know ATOS is a four letter word round here, and I’m not a fan, however I think that for 29% of people, previously classified as unfit to work, to have found employment within three months is, actually, a pretty good result for them.”

The figure is 15%.

So basically those who are deemed to be able to work are now in exactly the same situation as other unemployed people, getting the same benefits and being expected to seek work.

Isn’t that equality?

12. Chaise Guevara

@ 11 IanVisits

“So basically those who are deemed to be able to work are now in exactly the same situation as other unemployed people, getting the same benefits and being expected to seek work.

Isn’t that equality?”

No, because the claim is that a lot of these people are not realistically in a position to find work. Have you somehow managed to miss all the ATOS-related news over the past few months?

12 – these are pretty old figures though. “They were conducted between April and June 2009 and were included in a report for the DWP in 2011.” Conducted, in other words, more or less at the absolute trough of the recession at a time of rising unemployment. We are, now, at least in a time of rising employment.

I wonder what the results would be if these same people were surveyed now?

14. Chaise Guevara

@ Tim

True enough. More recent data would be useful.

@ Chaise

The figure is 15%.

From the OP

A later, follow-up survey of 590 of the claimants revealed that 43 per cent were still jobless and without income. Twenty-eight per cent were receiving benefits and 29 per cent were in work.

16. littlekeithy

13 ‘these are pretty old figures though. “They were conducted between April and June 2009 and were included in a report for the DWP in 2011.”’

You left out the bit about snapshot surveys. The snapshots were from 2009, the follow ups in early 2010 and included in the report in 2011. These time lags aren’t unusual in some government departments.

As for wondering what the results would be now, it is a bit difficult to judge when the government, DWP and Atos obstructs FOI requests.

One could be forgiven for believing that the obstruction is a deliberate policy in order to suppress debate about the efficacy of the policy.

‘Tory MSP Alex Johnstone said: “But many of the stories we have heard are anecdotal. It is difficult to find a statistical or empirical set of figures to tell us exactly what these problems are.”’ (from The Record yesterday)

If you suppress the findings then it’s a bit rich to claim a lack of figures, no?

17. Chaise Guevara

@ pagar

From the OP:

“The department of Work and Pensions have admitted that 55% of people who lost their disability benefits after assessments with the french IT company were unable to find employment. 30% were relying on other forms of benefit and only 15% had found a job.”

You’re talking about “previously classified as unfit to work”, but your 29% figure appears to refer to all people tested, not just those who were previously deemed fit.

The Tories evil machine acting under direct orders.

Its disgusting the way people are treated by them, I was one of the many that’s had issues with them, and within 2 weeks of them clearing me fit for work, I had a near fatal accident in the work environment, which I warned them was a very real possibility having blackouts etc. I wonder how many people have been in a similar situation, or how many fatalities the IT company in conjunction with the DWP have caused to make the figures look good, not to mention the potential for further aggrivating conditions some people are already struggling with. It’d would be interesting to do some research and get some figures.

4. David Moynagh

When do the concentration camps begin so that the sick and disabled can be worked to an early death and the real spongers in the westminster tory ranks can continue to squabble like vermin over the meat from the corpses.

That’s probably what they have planned. The government gives G4S, A4E Serco or some other predatory private company a contract for running a corpse disposal service for all the dead bodies of the poor killed by the government’s war on the poor – the suicides, the homeless killed by exposure, the sick people dying through neglect etc and also gives them a contract for providing ultra low-cost meat for the foodstamps that they are planning to issue to JSA “customers”, the working poor and the sick and disabled in the very near future. Instead of “let them eat cake” it will be “let them eat each other”.

Pagar @ 8

I will say this for you, for someone who prides himself as appearing as a fucking halfwit, you manage to keep a high level of dumb ignorance, you never disappoint.

Are you seriously suggesting that you are so ignorant? Are you attempting to imply that you are too fucking stupid to understand that people can be cured or recover from illness or injury? Have you never, in your entire life, been so ill that you cannot work for a short time? Or ever met anyone who has been ill for a couple of hours or days, then duly went back to work? Are you attempting to suggest that you can possibly conceive of an scenario where someone with a debilitating illness eventually recovers? Are you seriously telling me that you are completely unaware of the fact that some people recover from illness and then move on with their life?

People become better, people recover, and when people recover, they get signed back on and duly go back to work. I bet most people who use this board have colleagues that have been signed fit and duly returned to work.

Try and get this concept into your head: ‘People have been recovering from illnesses and injuries and returned to work for decades’. The fact that the Daily Mail never tell you about it, doesn’t mean it never happens. These people have returned to work, not because of the hard work of ATOS, but the dedicated work of the NHS.

Long, long before ATOS were awarded free money for attacking the sick, people have been coming on and of benefits for decades, mostly without fuss. People lose and find jobs or are diagnosed with illnesses and receive treatment and go back to work. People have accidents and eventually go back to work as well. For some reason, the Daily Mail never tell its vile readership this, and for some ‘strange reason’ it genuinely never occurs to them that the vast majority of people would rather work than live on benefits.

And people wonder why I despise the Right?

The real story here is that between 15% and 30% of previous claimants are now working.

If I recall, the hard Left have always argued that the level of abuse was less than 2%.

Well. Surprise, surprise.

With this kind of success rate Labour will have no option but to continue.

23. Chaise Guevara

@ 22 LondonJ

Coupla things you missed while you were leaping to absurd conclusions:

First, people can have crippling medical conditions and get better.

Second, having a disability can make it harder to get a job. Someone might be looking for work for a year, needing benefits, and then finally find one.

You’re welcome.

I’m no fan of ATOS but I don’t follow all of the stats quoted in the OP.

The Daily Record (which the OP quotes) says: “Investigators from the department spoke to 1100 claimants deemed fit for work and found that 55 per cent had no jobs or benefits.

Thirty per cent were getting jobseekers’ allowance or other benefits and just 15 per cent were in employment.

A later, follow-up survey of 590 of the claimants revealed that 43 per cent were still jobless and without income. Twenty-eight per cent were receiving benefits and 29 per cent were in work.”

Unravelling the two narratives a bit, I reckon that some claimants were denied JSA and that another member of the family is forced to help them out. There is also a probable transfer from JSA to other benefits. At the same time, more people had jobs.

The OP is as much of a jumble as government policy.

The aim of all 3 parties is to maximise the supply of labour and thereby force the price of labour(i.e. wages)down.
In February 2008, when the prospect of a recession in the UK was being debated, the Daily Telegraph published a revealing interview with former City financier David Freud – who had been appointed by Prime Minister Tony Blair in 2006 to provide an “independent” review of the so-called welfare-to-work system. In the interview Freud claimed that he thought it was possible to get “about 1.4 million back to work”. By the time the final question of the interview came around he seemed to have forgotten the need to pretend he favoured an economy with lower unemployment, and when asked whether he thought there will be a recession, he replied “Yes, because we should have recessions every five or six years and we are due one”. This was one of the rare instances of a politician publicly departing from the mantra of claiming to want an economy that will produce “jobs and growth”.
http://thetruthaboutunemployment.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/what-causes-unemployment-2/

So 15% of these people assessed as fit found work. Ignoring for a moment the fact that they might have recovered, we don’t know what this work entails. We don’t know whether it’s part or full time. Even if it was only one afternoon a week, it would have counted as finding a job – even though this amount of work would not be enough to live on.

ESA has a ‘Permitted Work’ scheme which means that you are allowed to work up to 16 hours per week (or earn a certain amount), and it not affect your benefit. It’s so that people can try a small amount of work and see if they’re up to it. I wonder whether the jobs alluded to by this study would qualify for that scheme, and if they do then you could argue that the person is not actually ‘fit for work’, and could still be claiming ESA.

What would be a better set of figures is how many people, after being found ‘fit for work’, go on to get jobs that they can live on. How many work full-time, how many work more than 16 hours part-time, etc.

To me ‘fit for work’ means fit to support yourself financially by working, over the long-term. We don’t know whether the people finding jobs are supporting themselves.

@ Jim

Have you never, in your entire life, been so ill that you cannot work for a short time? Or ever met anyone who has been ill for a couple of hours or days, then duly went back to work? Are you attempting to suggest that you can possibly conceive of an scenario where someone with a debilitating illness eventually recovers? Are you seriously telling me that you are completely unaware of the fact that some people recover from illness and then move on with their life?

Jim, keep your hair on.

The stats quoted seem to indicate that around 30% of those found fit for work by ATOS had found employment within three months.

Are you arguing that they would have done so had the intervention not occurred? Are you arguing that 10% a month is the normal rate of churn where claimants voluntarily give up their disability benefit?

Frankly, if these figures are correct, ATOS must considered be faith healers.

Pagar @ 27

The stats quoted seem to indicate that around 30% of those found fit for work by ATOS had found employment within three months.

Where does this three months come into it? I honestly may have misread this part, but I cannot see it.

Are you arguing that they would have done so had the intervention not occurred? Are you arguing that 10% a month is the normal rate of churn where claimants voluntarily give up their disability benefit?

We never really read about the churn rate before ATOS do we? No one in the DWP is ever likely to point out the success stories of people who quietly move from being ‘too ill to work’ to ‘getting back into the labour market as they recover. Be honest, you and the rest of the Tory lice are obsessed by reading about the plight of the benefit claimants, I bet you are not aware of a single report of how many people actually get of benefits? Okay, now I have pointed out that anomaly, not goggle will be battered into submission for previous studies, but you would surely admit that going from an unmeasured to measured state is not the same as going from zero to one hundred and sixty, is it?

The other thing we need to look at is how fluid the definition of ‘employed’ is. The DWP are notoriously vague about the term ‘employment’, normally lumping further education and training into the mix. I wonder how many people of this study are actually in unpaid ‘workfare’ or other unpaid work and more to the point, how many of these people are struggling to hold down a job as well. It is relatively easy to get a small number of people into work for a short amount of time if you are a tightly focussed organisation like A4E, but it is keeping people in work long term work is the challenge. Once the absenteeism and the performance level dips, are the still in work? The irony of course being that the number of people found to be ‘employed’ who subsequently find themselves on the long term sick is not recorded.

One further point of course, the single point that the Right Wingers have patently failed to comment on, confirming my already jaundiced opinion of them. While lauding ATOS as a success in apparently finding two hundred scroungers and forcing them into work, nearly half of their victims are left without an income. Hundreds of thousands of people’s have been destroyed and countless millions of pounds have been wasted getting a relatively small percentage of people into work, if indeed they are in work at all.

29. dla worked

they don’t give A-TOSS an dont blame the labour half of the same bird its the those lovely elite an bankers who caused the world economic crisis
but when it comes to war they print more money but when its disabled people they turkey shoot a few million to take out the tiny amount of cheats
.those cheats all have phones an facebooks so its easy to catch them without this deliberate hammering of the needy an most at risk. not to mention the fact the atos form makes the mentally ill go over there condition in detail listing there healthy conditions an using medication as a benchmark to see if someone is ill. 110 million could have made millions of disabled peoples lives better instead that money an daily mail style socialist propaganda is being used against them , they use YOUR MONEY to SCREW YOU OVER i knew thatcher mark2 was due but i never imagined they would go after the most vulnerable, whats next are we to fund pedophile foster carers or maybe care home workers that kill i AM Sorry if that Sounds Harsh but if You Look at the Increase in SUICIDES since this Farce was rolled out you cant help but wonder how Brutal There Prepared to go, i actually know both Physically an Mentally Disabled People who have had there Money Stopped, They cant find a Job an They have ended up becoming Prostitutes because they cannot get Money any other way . NATIONAL SOCIALISM IN GERMANY WAS CALLED NAZI IN THE UK ITS CALLED TORY.
LABOUR ARE MARXIST WINGS OF THE SAME BIRD TRUE BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE SOME KID GLOVES WHEN IT COMES TO DISABLED FOLK THE CONS ARE UTTERLY RUTHLESS MARGRET CAMERON DAVID THATCHER

SOCIALISM IN GERMANY WAS CALLED NAZI IN THE UK ITS CALLED TORY.
LABOUR ARE MARXIST WINGS OF THE SAME BIRD TRUE BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE SOME KID GLOVES WHEN IT COMES TO DISABLED FOLK THE CONS ARE UTTERLY RUTHLESS MARGRET CAMERON DAVID THATCHER

Thatcher gave us DLA, then dropped the vehicle which any disabled person had to drive the handicapped vehicle.

Labour brought in the medical I do not mind having a medical I use to have one very three years and had eight in total, it was good because on one medical the doctor I saw suggested I see a specialist he knew, which I did and under went an emergency operation to remove a sliver of bone from my spinal cord.

But the WCA is evil in that if you have no legs yet move your own wheelchair your need mobile, if you use an electric wheelchair then your deemed disabled, if your blind and use a guide dog your deemed disabled if you use a white stick or have a carer to guide you your deemed able bodied.

I was asked can you walk 55mtrs without stopping to rest I said no I cannot walk more then a few steps, they then asked can you walk 125mtrs without stopping I said if I cannot walk 55mtrs then I will not be able to walk 125.

Then put down that they thought I could walk this distance over ruling what I actually said.

Nobody minds a medical a real medical in which a doctor examines you, not this tick box mess.

It’s been said implicitly, but let’s make it implicit.

Ther figures on those who have got jobs post-Atos are meaningless, because we do not know—because the figures are never issued—is what the “churn”, i.e. the natural rate of return to emplyment, is.

There are three types of disability: chronic, where the person either cannot work or can only undertake limited work; short-term (which might be years), where the person recovers and is able to return to work; and episodic, where the person has good periods when they can work and then relapses.

Without this information, as I said, the figures are meaningless.

Of course, I meant let’s make it explicit.

Has the number of people dying since Atos began trying to help them into work gone up significantly? Has the Atos regime been killing people, under a veil, by stressing them out and worrying the lives out of them? Are any statistics extant? Just wondering.

I was assessed by ATOS recently and was found to have 6 points, far short of the 15 that I should get to be able to carry on with my ESA. I have since been told to go and sign on for Job Seekers Allowance despite the fact that I am on Morphine and cannot walk far because of a back condition which is bad enough that the Consultant has said he will not operate because it will make me worse than I am now. I was made to feel like an imbecile at the ATOS Medical and a piece of dirt on the ATOS Advisors shoe. I walked out of the place feeling as if I wanted to slit my wrists and still do now I have no income at all.

I went recently for an ATOS Medical and was treated like a cow in a cattle production line and nothing else. I was not treated fairly or humanely and was eyed with suspicion down the ATOS Advisors nose as soon as I got into the room! I was sacked from my previous job because I was ill and therefore unable to work but I scored 6 points only and as a result my ESA was stopped! I have a back condition that is so bad that my consultant won’t operate as it will make me worse. I am on Morphine and what employer would want me like that and I cannot sit/stand or walk far. I have been told to claim Job Seekers Allowance and find a job, this is government propaganda to get the disabled back to work and off the books of the government. I feel like slashing my wrists.


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