Red Tory Blond: gay marriage “homophobic”


6:02 pm - May 23rd 2012

by Sunny Hundal    


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‘Red Tory’ thinker Philip Blond gave a speech today at a conference by Christian Concern.

Christian Concern are a deeply homophobic and bigoted organisation. Its director Andrea Williams believes homosexuality is sinful and the world is 4,000 years old. Christian Concern has also called for “corrective therapy” for gays in the past.

It has campaigned against Sikh and Muslim people doing religion programmes at the BBC because of their background, and wants abortion banned completely.

Did Philp Blond know about Christian Concern’s past? Does he think it’s right to appear on a platform hosted by them?

His argument was also bizarre.

(hat tip @bc_tmh)

UPDATE:
Phillip Blond told me via Twitter that he was unaware of Christian Concern’s past, but this didn’t seem to bother him too much.

I also said they believed in corrective therapy for gays. He replied that I was misrepresenting their position. I’m afraid this is either ignorant or highly disingenuous.

Christian Concern’s CEO Andrea Williams herself write about corrective therapy for gays, and its sister organisation Christian Legal Centre is currently defending a Christian therapist who claims she can help gay men go straight.

Does Mr Blond still believe I’m misrepresenting CC’s position? I also asked if he believed in corrective therapy for gays, but hasn’t replied.

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I think they’ve gone through the bottom of the barrel and are now scraping at the floor.

He’s a moron’s idea of what a philosopher sounds like.

I mean that in terms of his arguments, and his over all rhetorical style. Which is turgid.

4. Alisdair Cameron

@ Left Outside.
Quite. He doesn’t actually do anything apart from try and yoke together contrary positions with a buzz-phrase, something typically oxymoronic. When pressed on details of how the contradictions can be reconciled, or accommodation made, he falls silent. Not literally silent (chance would be a fine thing), but just obfuscatory bluster.

This from the anti gay marriage brigade is getting very tiresome, pathetic and they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. The Government should just legalise gay marriage and be done with it. When they do people will wake up the next morning and it will be the same as any other morning except that gay people will be happier in the knowledge that they can marry lawfully the person they love.

Well, perhaps there is another way we can sort this out – maybe take away “straight” marriage. No? I didn’t think so. I wouldn’t do that either. Why is it gay marriage? Surely it is just marriage.

I don’t understand. Can’t Christian Concern learn from all the “reparative therapy” in the USA, that is doesn’t work. And can’t they just see the homosexuality/omnisexuality in other species?

Sorry, I’m new. Hello, hello :). I don’t like to cause any stirs and I am liberal-left. I am looking for motivation. I’m sick of the “right” as they call themselves just saying “oh those lefties, it’s all their fault” I don’t know how to respond to that.

Ed at 6

I think there is a fair chance that you might feel even more antagonised by the ‘right’ if you visit / post at Liberal Conspiracy.
I’m sure they must know they are not going to change or influence anybody’s opinions but they like to see their views represented and indeed have every right to.
Other than that it’s rather like bear baiting.
At least when they are on here, they’re not eating their own babies, so that’s some small compensation.

Best of luck.

8. James Reade

Another classic LC post, this one. Before anyone accuses me of being on the right, I’m not, thanks. I’m just not as liberal-left as most of the posts on here.

First off, shock horror, Andrea Minichiello-Williams believes homosexuality is a sin. Well, that is what the Bible says (based not on some isolated (humorous) reading of archaic laws in Leviticus or Deuteronomy btw but on the entire Bible thrust on the subject), and hence any Bible believing Christian will also believe that – unless they are a pick’n’mix type Christian – only taking the bits that are culturally appropriate – Jesus vs current opinion with the latter winning every time – the kind of “Christian” I bet you guys on LC just love – one that has no consistency at all.

But of more substance, can you actually repeat Phillip Blond’s arguments? Merely repeating his snappy summary isn’t sufficient. Why does he make these statements? Is it just that he is stupid, as you guys all seem to think? Why not give the guy a fair hearing? I guess you don’t want to. I think that’s the kind of thing bigots do isn’t it?

Oh, and please define bigot, since apparently Christian Concern is bigoted. Is a bigot someone who has views that happen to be conservative and not liberal, by any chance?

Define also homophobic. Because usually a phobia refers to something you’re scared of. Stating that homosexuality is a sin does not equate to being scared of it.

Why be surprised at the idiocy of Phillip Blond? Man is as close to a fascist as you’ll find outside the BNP etc.

Quite literally: his economic ideas are based on Distributionism, Belloc’s and Chesterton’s cribbings of Mussolini’s nonsenses.

Try looking up the LRB review of his book….

He taught at my university. His highly offensive views and reprehensible behaviour in local nightclubs ensured that every male and female student I knew spoke of him with disgust and venom.

11. Helen (@RidleySays)

@James Reade : Actually the general ‘thrust’ of the Bible is tolerance, humility and forgiveness.

If Christian Concern spent more time (and money) on tackling poverty & helping the sick than they do on restricting the rights of homosexuals, people might be more able to call them Christians – and less likely to call them bigots.

@4

“He doesn’t actually do anything apart from try and yoke together contrary positions with a buzz-phrase, something typically oxymoronic.”

Another great victory for postmodernism then.

@James
I was under the impression that Jesus had nothing at all to say on the matter of the sinfulness of homosexuality perhaps you could point me to the relevant passages where he himself discusses the subject.

So the question is what would Jesus do. Would he commit homosexuals to conversion therapies, would he condemn homosexuality as a sin which needs to be frowned upon and so on. I think he would embrace two loving people into the world of humanity rather than disregard their true nature as long as it is not hurting anyone else. I think that Conservative Christians forget that Jesus was not a Conservative in his time but a liberal minded individual that put the establishment in a fit of fear about his teachings that would disestablish their position of authority.

15. Chaise Guevara

This is just the sexuality version of “Arguing against mixed-race couples doesn’t make me racist, because I’m just as worried about preserving the black race as the white race”, isn’t it?

Steven @ 14:

“I think that Conservative Christians forget that Jesus was not a Conservative in his time but a liberal minded individual that put the establishment in a fit of fear about his teachings that would disestablish their position of authority.”

He wasn’t a supporter of the official government, true (although nor, it has to be said, was he a noteable opponent — there’s no evidence of him trying to lead a rebellion against the Romans, for example), but his moral outlook was pretty far from the “do as you want, as long as it doesn’t harm anybody else” outlook that most people here seems to have. (“You have heard that adultery is wrong; but I tell you now, that he who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery in his heart,” and all that.)

17. James from Durham

What JC is more likely to do is ask you some complex question, rather than merely giving a soundbite answer. Asked more questions than gave answers, specially when people wanted a “straight answer”. I doubt either side in this argument would get what they wanted!

18. Robin Levett

@james from Durham #17:

What JC is more likely to do is ask you some complex question, rather than merely giving a soundbite answer. Asked more questions than gave answers, specially when people wanted a “straight answer”. I doubt either side in this argument would get what they wanted!

Which is fine for those of us whose primary argument is not religious.

To clarify; conservative Christians say that homsexuality is a sin, that Jesus would oppose gay marriage etc. We say – actually, there is nothing inherently immoral about homosexuality, and the argument for recognising gay marriage is simply an expression of values of fundamental decency and fairness. Furthermore (we say) you conservative Christians are misrepresenting what JC would say; and so even your religious argument (the validity of which we don’t in any event recognise as a good reason for resisting recognition) isn’t a good one.

19. Just Visiting

Robin

LC does have form for atacking christains and not other religions.

The issue of homosexuality is interesting – as in fact Islam seems to have a much tougher line against it.

You said:
> Furthermore (we say) you conservative Christians are misrepresenting what JC would say;

So how about Islam – do you feel Islam is mis-representing what Muhammed said about homsexuality ?

James- great points.

For all others on the board…if your not Christian, please don’t assume to know the mind of Christ and just continue supporting your sinful cause. If you believe one part of the bible then you should believe all…Gods opinion concerning homosexuality hasn’t changed. He was against it in the old testament as well as the new. God’s Word never changes- Times change , people change and interpretations change, but not God- oh and that’s in the Word too. Since there is nothing new under the sun you can imagine all of this (homosexual relations) was going on in the days of old which is why the bible addresses it along with many other sinful acts that remain reprehensible to God.

@Rb – Does that include wearing clothes with mixed fibres and eating seafood still being sinful then?

I don’t think Christian views on homosexuality (which I assume vary) should have any bearing on the law. Most Christians would view adultery as a sin, and some might say you shouldn’t get divorced, but that doesn’t mean those things should be illegal. Blond’s views on the distinctiveness of gay/straight experiences could be used to keep women at home, or reinforce racial stereotypes.

23. Roger Mexico

rb

James- great points.

For all others on the board…if your not Christian, please don’t assume to know the mind of Christ and just continue supporting your sinful cause. If you believe one part of the bible then you should believe all…

Well you rather undermine your self confessed ability to “know the mind of Christ” by being unable to understand a three and a bit line comment.

James from Durham made (one) subtle point about how, in the gospels, Jesus deals with those who wish to have a lot of fun condemning the (usually sexual, usually female) sins of others. Rather than join in he points out their hypocrisies and asks that they consider their own conduct.

You completely missed his straightforward point, but seem happy to interpret a large complex set of books as just meaning “get the poofs”. While I suspect failing to live the life of a 2nd Century BC Orthodox Jew.

Still humility was never a Christian virtue.

Roger @ 23:

“Still humility was never a Christian virtue.”

I think it is, actually — just compare Christian teaching on pride and humility with what the pagan Romans thought.

Unless of course you mean that Christians don’t always act in a humble way. That may be true, but that doesn’t mean that Christianity as a belief system doesn’t value humility. (Although if you can find an ethical system whose adherents have never acted contrary to the dictates of that system, I’d be grateful.)

Well, I don’t know much about the word of God.

But I do think that “votes for women” is a sexist construct.

I think it is, actually — just compare Christian teaching on pride and humility with what the pagan Romans thought.

Yer man JC was very much into the humility. Sermon on the Mount, great stuff. And the Romans, massively into pride, self-love, amassing of riches and empires, and all those sorts of bad things.

Unfortunately, the Christian Church as it is constructed is, erm, well, there’s a clue in the name and location of its largest sect, isn’t there?

Old Roland has got a damn sight more in common with his toga-clad, palace-dwelling geographical forebears than he has with the carpenter’s boy saying we should all be nicer to each other…

27. Chaise Guevara

@ 26 john b

“Unfortunately, the Christian Church as it is constructed is, erm, well, there’s a clue in the name and location of its largest sect, isn’t there? ”

Hardly fair to implicitly damn all Christians by association, though. Humility IS a Christian virtue – although as P Ve M says, whether they practice it is a different thing – and it’s not reasonable to portray the whole religion by cherry-picked bad examples.

@27 To be fair, most problems with Christianity come from the fact it went from being a religion of the slaves and the downtrodden – and thus reflecting their values – to being the official religion of empire endorsed by an Emperor – thus also conflictingly reflecting the values of the powerful.

It’s not for nothing that a group of New York Christians somehow managed to choose this graven image to pray around in an attempt to get God to stop the crash in 2008.

Hardly fair to implicitly damn all Christians by association, though

I dunno. If I were to hate all Tories because of the behaviour of the Conservative Party, I don’t think that would be *entirely* unreasonable.

30. Chaise Guevara

@ 29 john b

“I dunno. If I were to hate all Tories because of the behaviour of the Conservative Party, I don’t think that would be *entirely* unreasonable.”

Yeah, but Bob Bobson of Ipswich, Methodist, doesn’t vote for the Pope. And for obvious reasons, the less humble a Christian is, the more likely they are to be a household name.

31. Chaise Guevara

@ 28 Cylux

“To be fair, most problems with Christianity come from the fact it went from being a religion of the slaves and the downtrodden – and thus reflecting their values – to being the official religion of empire endorsed by an Emperor – thus also conflictingly reflecting the values of the powerful.”

Sure. Working class can kiss my arse and all that.

“It’s not for nothing that a group of New York Christians somehow managed to choose this graven image to pray around in an attempt to get God to stop the crash in 2008.”

That’s a wind-up, surely?

33. Just Visiting

Cylux

So when you said ‘graven image’ you didn’t mean what we all thought you meant – a non-christian icon/god.

Were you intending to be misleading?

Anyway – are you just descending into the usual LC bigotry – seeking out whacky / mnitory interes christians worldwide solely for the purposes of mocking.

Whilst ignoring any whackiness by other religions.

Like Malaysia on Thursday banning a book by Irshad Manji’s – ‘Allah, Liberty and Love; as they argue it contravenes teachings of the Al-Quran and Hadith.
Irshad is a liberal Muslim activist.

She is open in support of LGBT issues – so normally someone LC would approve of.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2012/5/24/nation/20120524222905&sec=nation

34. Chaise Guevara

@ 33 Just Visiting

“Were you intending to be misleading?”

To be fair, he linked it, and there IS something pretty funny about a load of Christians praying to a grown-up golden calf.

“Anyway – are you just descending into the usual LC bigotry – seeking out whacky / mnitory interes christians worldwide solely for the purposes of mocking.

Whilst ignoring any whackiness by other religions.

Like Malaysia on Thursday banning a book by Irshad Manji’s – ‘Allah, Liberty and Love; as they argue it contravenes teachings of the Al-Quran and Hadith.
Irshad is a liberal Muslim activist.”

JV, you know I think that you generally have a point with LC’s bias on Christians and Muslims. But complaining that the site failed to cover a story from Malaysia goes into grasping-at-straws territory.

@33 Misleading? I embedded a link in the actual words ‘this graven image’. Plus, it’s not overly hard to claim the bronze bull has become a symbol of money worship.

36. Craig Tomkinson

Red Toryism & the Big Society sounds like 21 Century Fascism. Define Fascism and thats a mix of socialism, nationalism and private Corporatism .The all powerful state controlling every aspect of the citizens lives. This is Britain today.

37. Craig Tomkinson

The tories are hell bent on driving divisions in our Society to drive down wages for us all, cut Services, welfare etc and putting Britain back to Victorian times. Cameron is worse than Thatcher shame on the Lib Dems you will lose your seats come the next election, the longer the Coalition the worse it will be for the Lib Dems!


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  1. WestDevonGreens

    Hi @Phillip_Blond did you know of Christian Concern's homophobic & bigoted past b4 you chose to speak at their event? http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  2. Jon Stone

    What's "Red Tory" author Philip Blond up to these days? Oh, arguing gay marriage is "homophobic" and should be opposed http://t.co/aJPMZFTp

  3. Martin Eve

    What's "Red Tory" author Philip Blond up to these days? Oh, arguing gay marriage is "homophobic" and should be opposed http://t.co/aJPMZFTp

  4. Alexander Wallace

    Hi @Phillip_Blond did you know of Christian Concern's homophobic & bigoted past b4 you chose to speak at their event? http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  5. Dean Reeves

    Hi @Phillip_Blond did you know of Christian Concern's homophobic & bigoted past b4 you chose to speak at their event? http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  6. BevR

    Hi @Phillip_Blond did you know of Christian Concern's homophobic & bigoted past b4 you chose to speak at their event? http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  7. BevR

    Red Tory Philip Blond – gay marriage ‘homophobic’ | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/0j6eFFO2 via @libcon

  8. Ian 'Cat' Vincent

    Tory to Xtian Concern: Up is Down. Black is White. Gay Marriage is Homophobic. http://t.co/asokqo1m

  9. Helen

    Red Tory @Phillip_Blond, at a conference by an org that wants 'corrective therapy' for gays, says SSM is "homophobic" http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  10. Andy S

    Red Tory Philip Blond rages against gay marriage http://t.co/LQs3t0a3 (via @libcon)

  11. sunny hundal

    Hi @Phillip_Blond still think Christian Concern, who you defend, don't want corrective therapy for gays? (see update) http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  12. Alan Fry

    Hi @Phillip_Blond still think Christian Concern, who you defend, don't want corrective therapy for gays? (see update) http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  13. Bruno Leipold

    Hi @Phillip_Blond still think Christian Concern, who you defend, don't want corrective therapy for gays? (see update) http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  14. Rich Boulton

    Philip Blond flips out and advances crazy argument against gay marriage: RT @libcon: Red Tory Philip Blond rages http://t.co/7Gj05MFO

  15. Martin Grouch

    Hi @Phillip_Blond still think Christian Concern, who you defend, don't want corrective therapy for gays? (see update) http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  16. Richard Ashcroft

    Hi @Phillip_Blond still think Christian Concern, who you defend, don't want corrective therapy for gays? (see update) http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  17. New Think Tank

    Hi @Phillip_Blond still think Christian Concern, who you defend, don't want corrective therapy for gays? (see update) http://t.co/w66e4B7J

  18. sunny hundal

    What's "Red Tory" author Philip Blond up to these days? Oh, arguing gay marriage is "homophobic" and should be opposed http://t.co/aJPMZFTp

  19. DanielPoxton

    What's "Red Tory" author Philip Blond up to these days? Oh, arguing gay marriage is "homophobic" and should be opposed http://t.co/aJPMZFTp

  20. Threadbare Panda

    What's "Red Tory" author Philip Blond up to these days? Oh, arguing gay marriage is "homophobic" and should be opposed http://t.co/aJPMZFTp

  21. Emma Lucy Aston

    What's "Red Tory" author Philip Blond up to these days? Oh, arguing gay marriage is "homophobic" and should be opposed http://t.co/aJPMZFTp

  22. Gareth Hewer

    Ridiculously confused argument from Blong on gay marriage. Doesn't realise that gay movement has changed since the 80s http://t.co/zSpmun0l

  23. The New Rebels for Marriage! NOM Marriage News | NOM Blog

    […] (For some of his actual tweets, the liberal press in the U.K. reports them here.) […]

  24. That Oliver James

    Philip Blond: "gay marriage is homophobic” http://t.co/Ur2MdAOu via @libcon

  25. Kathryn

    Red Tory Blond: gay marriage “homophobic” | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/25jkK6PJ via @libcon

  26. Sheila NomNomDePlume

    . @godwingrech is this the same Philip Blond? He's so homophobic i bet u just have to say 'cock' and he gets hard. http://t.co/NW9fmIgd

  27. Sheila NomNomDePlume

    @SquigglyRick probably lucky – Blond has hardcore views, did u see my post? http://t.co/NW9fmIgd (@LyleShelton)

  28. KakLinds

    @Phillip_Blond supports homophobic christian nutters.http://t.co/pCKhkrDq @Mamamia @mrbenjaminlaw @SenatorWong @PSyvret #marriageequality

  29. KakLinds

    @Phillip_Blond supports homophobic religious nutters. http://t.co/pCKhkrDq @Colvinius @PhillipAdamsABC @GMegalogenis @MagdaSzubanski





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