UKuncut plan ‘street parties’ for Olympics


8:30 am - April 13th 2012

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UK Uncut, the anti-cuts direct action group, announced yesterday a new plan of action to start shortly before the Queen’s Jubilee celebrations and the Olympic period.

The group will hold street parties in major towns and cities across the UK in the run up to the Jubilee and Olympics which will, “resist the cuts and celebrate a future that is decided by us, not a handful of billionaires.”

They will take place on the weekend before the Queen’s Jubilee. UK Uncut has dubbed these events as street parties with a ‘twist’.

They plan to block major roads and high streets up and down the country to call for a ‘future uncut’ and protest the government’s cuts, austerity agenda and the closure of local public services.

In a statement on their website, UK Uncut drew heavily on parallels with British society in 1948, the year when the Olympics were last held in London. They stated that although Britain’s post-war national debt was much higher than it is today, there was a future for people to look forward to.

UK Uncut will hold training sessions across the UK in the coming months to encourage people to organise mass street parties in their regions and block roads in major cities across the UK.

UK Uncut has no plans to directly disrupt the Jubilee ceremonies or Olympic games.

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1. Ignorant Republican

None of the articles promoting this have provided me, an ignorant republican, with the date of the Jubilee…

I fully expect our ‘Boysand Girls in Blue’ (mostly black riot gear these days) to be out in force giving those filled with the party spirit a ‘right good lathering’.

‘UK Uncut’ – always worth checking your partners’ mobiles you never know who might be employing them (as well as N.I.)

3. Chaise Guevara

“They plan to block major roads and high streets up and down the country to call for a ‘future uncut’ and protest the government’s cuts, austerity agenda and the closure of local public services.”

Very, very bad idea. It’s not directly relevant to the issue, and the people affected will not be the people responsible for the things they’re protesting about. I fully sympathise with both of these causes, but this is just a blueprint for bullying random members of the public to get attention.

Should be fun.

They only managed to ‘occupy’ a rather posh shop for a short amount of time until some were arrested (which they whined and whined about narcisisstically for months on end) so I can’t see major roads or events attended by the great unwashed (who may take it upon themselves to express their opinions directly) being bothered by them.

Sad really. I agree with a lot of their aims, I just cannot identify with them as people. I’m sick of the middle classes everywhere bleating on about what I need to do, be they right, left, middle, green, ukip whatever. They all seem to be from a similar demographic.So none of the above thanks.

5. Chaise Guevara

@ 4 Ted Maul

Don’t worry, I’ll spread the word that opinions only matter if they’re held by people that aren’t in any way different to Ted Maul.

6. Man on Clapham Omnibus

@5
I think Ted is advocating apathy rather than opinions.

I normally don’t have any time for UK uncut, but I would like to see some protests during the Olympics. Just for the fun of it. But to make a real difference they would have to get working class people involved, not just their usual lefty activist types.
I don’t know about doing actual road blockages – as that can be something that is done when you are weak and need to be dramatic to compensate for that weakness. But if you could get the young people who are facing difficult futures and being shafted right now to come out and protest, then it could be good. You’d probably need something to go viral on the internet though, like that video about the Ugandan war lord.
Or when the EMA students came up to Westminister in their school uniforms.

8. Chaise Guevara

@ 6

“I think Ted is advocating apathy rather than opinions”

Agreed!

Glad to hear that protest will be inventive, amusing, and informative. Will it be headline grabbing though? Will The BBC cover the protests? I doubt it.

Is UK uncut against the monarchy btw? It seems a bit churlish to protest against HM Queen I think, but that’s just me. I can see why some people would want to do so though.
It’s just that being a minority view, it comes off as being a bit pointless and divisive.

When the Queen visited Leicester recently, all the communities of that town were out in the streets waving union jacks and having a bit of comunal a love-in. Which was nice I thought.
I know we could do far better, but it’s better than nothing.

11. Chaise Guevara

@ 10 damon

“It’s just that being a minority view, it comes off as being a bit pointless and divisive.”

So you disagree with people who hold a minority view expressing their opinions (not in the sense of wanting it banned, but as a principle of courtesy)? How else are they supposed to turn their minority view (or in this case in-the-minority-but-not-by-much view) into a majority view?

As a schoolboy, I did go to watch some events at the Olympic games in London in 1948 although I don’t recall any street parties at the time, only three years after the end of WW2. However, I shan’t be going to watch the forthcoming games this time round and I shan’t be watching the games on TV either since I don’t have a TV license.

Chaise @11. I’m pretty much a republican myself, but I’m not sure if publicly mocking or protesting against the royals is the way to do it. I’m not that fussed either way, but I wouldn’t join such a thing myself.
It’s not really a good way of making the republican case I think.
Here in Belfast it would be a very divisive thing to do and would only set people against each other. In Britain it’s not as acute of course, but it would still be unnecessarily antagonistic I think. Like ‘Occupy St. Paul’s’ ended up being.

In politics these days, it seems hard to not bring too much personal animosity into leftist campaigning. Even the adds on the buses thing with the ”People are gay – get over it” message from Stonewall come across as finger wagging and sectarian.
The ”get over it” part of it is too smug and elitist, just like an anti-royals party/protest might be.

14. Chaise Guevara

@ 13 damon

“I’m pretty much a republican myself, but I’m not sure if publicly mocking or protesting against the royals is the way to do it. I’m not that fussed either way, but I wouldn’t join such a thing myself.
It’s not really a good way of making the republican case I think.
Here in Belfast it would be a very divisive thing to do and would only set people against each other. In Britain it’s not as acute of course, but it would still be unnecessarily antagonistic I think. Like ‘Occupy St. Paul’s’ ended up being.”

I agree that there’s a line to be crossed between productive campaigning and pointless aggression. I also think that that line is grey. I think the idea of blocking streets for this protest crosses it – but not just general protests and awareness-raising events.

Staying with the monarchy theme: if anyone had managed to disrupt Will and Kate’s wedding, to the point of marring the event for the couple themselves, I would have called that an appalling way to get your point across (like that pillock who stopped the Oxbridge boat race, apparently in protest against posh people). But people were accused of divisiveness and churlishness simply for holding fun events like We Don’t Care About The Royal Wedding Parties. At that point, I think the condemnation stops being “please be polite” and becomes “STFU and conform”.

“In politics these days, it seems hard to not bring too much personal animosity into leftist campaigning. Even the adds on the buses thing with the ”People are gay – get over it” message from Stonewall come across as finger wagging and sectarian.
The ”get over it” part of it is too smug and [redacted], just like an anti-royals party/protest might be.”

I’ve cut a word from this paragraph as I’ve decided it doesn’t actually mean anything when you say it, and I’m tired of having the same conversation about straw man attacks.

On to the main point: I like Stonewall’s campaign, but I agree that it can come off as smug. I think it makes its point well and succinctly: the fact that some people are gay is a fact of nature, and it doesn’t have any real effect on anyone else, so why get angry about it and abuse or attempt to oppress people just because you don’t like their lifestyle? It’s a bit like a Facebook group I joined ages ago called something like: “Don’t like interracial relationships? Then don’t have one.”

As TV Tropes might put it: some anvils need to be dropped.

15. damonthecunt

@damon:

Aka Labour Right EDL Lunatic – Why don’t you fuck off?

Working Class cunts will never be involved in protests because a majority of them are thatcher and stupider then Sarah Palin.

If you don’t like the word ”elite” that’s OK. But I have made it clear what I mean.
The Occupy protesters were elite in the sense I mean it, because they were so much more pious and ”aware” than the X-Factor viewing masses.

There was a programme on radio 4 yesterday about Geenham Common, which brought together people who had been on either side of things there. Listening to it you see how far apart the people were – and are still very bitter about it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007x9vc

It’s classic stuff. Greenham Women verses people who worked on the base, and local ”Middle England” residents. The ideological gulf is unbridgeable, and the Greenham Women don’t come off that well in my opinion. They were ”elitist”.
In their minds they were right and everyone else was wrong and just ”didn’t get it”.

As for ”just get over it” campaigning, as we’ve seen by the adds that Boris banned yesterday, it works both ways. In our multi-cultural society, a good proportion of people are bible/koran bashing morons .. just get over it. And they will want to build ”mega-mosques” and mega-churches and run their own schools. But ”just get over it” doesn’t sound so good when they do it.

My problem with any of these protests is that they will always be led by the kind of people I don’t like. The Occupy-like people and the UK uncut- type activists.

People who can’t just do a dignified protest, because it’s not headline grabbing enough, so have to invade shops, or have a go at the police and try to provoke them …. like Alfie Meadows – who was clearly out for trouble in his stupid ”middle class” balaclava.

Even an anti-royal party would probably come across as too smug.
But I would think it was good if there could be big protests about cuts and the recession during the Olympics. If only they could get a ”critical mass” of ordinary people involved.

I would propose some slogans along the lines of people wanting ”bread” not circuses.

Or ”Stuff the Jubilympics”.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00qsr82

17. Chaise Guevara

@ damon

“If you don’t like the word ”elite” that’s OK.”

I have no problem with the word. What I object to is you defining it in such a way that you could apply it to nearly anything (e.g. your definition seems to include “someone who thinks that they are right and people who disagree with them are wrong”, a category that includes the entire human race) and then selectively applying it only to people you disagree with or dislike.

I could easily accuse you of elitism on several basises (bases?), such as your habit of turning up on threads and sadly remarking that nobody except you can see the big picture. But I don’t, because addressing arguments on their merits is better than making straw man attacks. And no doubt that attitude makes ME elitist for professing the superiority of reason over rhetoric etc. etc. It’s a complete rabbit hole of a discussion.

Finally, you follow Spiked’s lead of using it as a kind of class warfare by stealth (a middle-class guy has opinions that clash with those of a working-class guy – elitist!) and a way of attempting to validate argumentum ad populum (most people disagree with you – elitist!), neither of which I consider reasonable debating methods even in their uncloaked form.

OK, back to discussion.

“As for ”just get over it” campaigning, as we’ve seen by the adds that Boris banned yesterday, it works both ways.”

Point of fact: he didn’t ban them, he doesn’t have the authority to do so. Although I was uncomfortable with the rationale for boycotting them.

“In our multi-cultural society, a good proportion of people are bible/koran bashing morons .. just get over it. And they will want to build ”mega-mosques” and mega-churches and run their own schools.”

Different issue, though. Someone’s sexuality and religion is their business. Whereas faith-run schools directly affect other people – the pupils. So “get over it” in that case leans towards callousness, not respect for freedom of choice..

“But ”just get over it” doesn’t sound so good when they do it.”

It’s a case of fitting the tongue to the ear. I suspect the ads pulled by Boris sounded a lot better to Christian homophobes than the Stonewall ones.

“My problem with any of these protests is that they will always be led by the kind of people I don’t like. The Occupy-like people and the UK uncut- type activists.

People who can’t just do a dignified protest, because it’s not headline grabbing enough, so have to invade shops, or have a go at the police and try to provoke them …. like Alfie Meadows – who was clearly out for trouble in his stupid ”middle class” balaclava.

Even an anti-royal party would probably come across as too smug.”

Leaving the stupid class warfare aside, you’re contradicting yourself here. First you claim you dislike Occupy etc for going overboard and not just having a dignified protest, then you condemn the dignified, non-invasive protest of an anti-royal party as “smug”. What this comes down to is that Damon disapproves of any protest that he doesn’t agree with or that is carried out by someone who has committed the crime of a demographic he dislikes.

“But I would think it was good if there could be big protests about cuts and the recession during the Olympics. If only they could get a ”critical mass” of ordinary people involved.”

Who are “ordinary people” when they’re at home? The select group of working-class, centrist-conservatives that you’ve greenlighted as being qualified to express an opinion?

Do you realise that if you were to cut straw men of all kinds from your posts, your output would be down by about 75%?

Well I’m sticking with ”elitist”. And the class bias. Just see this youtube of UK uncut protesters in Oxford Street London inside a shop chanting ”pay your tax”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffYlE0lLBbI

And imagine if you were able to show that to all the Liverpool and Everton supporters who were at Wembley today and ask them what did they think of that and the people involved. It’s a class thing and I don’t mind siding with those who would give it the thumbs down. It’s too middle class and studenty. For me anyway. Maybe you can’t see the difference between that and what you say … about people who just have different viewpoints. It does become ”elitist” – but we’ve gone through that enough now.

And I think the Spiked guy has a very good point about Trayvon Martin. It’s not that wearing a hoodie is a racial thing, of course it’s not. Everyone wears them, but it was the people turning up wearing them especially with the ”We are all Trayvon Martin” messages that he was talking about, not JUST the fact that they were wearing hoodies.
It’s a seperate discussion – but he had it right IMO. Anytime you see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton together you know that something is not right and massive racial spinning is in process.

”Who are “ordinary people” when they’re at home?”

All the people who are not in that Youtube above for example. The cross section of London you see when you walk the streets or go on the bus.

19. Chaise Guevara

@ 18 Damon

“Well I’m sticking with ”elitist”. And the class bias. [etc]”

So you’re proud of being a snob. Fine, whatever. There’s nothing I can do if you’re going to wear your bigotry like a badge of honour.

“And I think the Spiked guy has a very good point about Trayvon Martin. It’s not that wearing a hoodie is a racial thing, of course it’s not. Everyone wears them, but it was the people turning up wearing them especially with the ”We are all Trayvon Martin” messages that he was talking about, not JUST the fact that they were wearing hoodies.”

That’s called “solidarity”, which apparently the idiot on Spiked thinks is equivalent to blacking up. And he totally did make hoodie-wearing a race thing, so don’t bother denying it when you’ve already linked to his article

“All the people who are not in that Youtube above for example. The cross section of London you see when you walk the streets or go on the bus.”

Except for those of them who are middle-class, liberals, anyone who disagrees with Damon about anything, or other types of people who really aren’t our sort of people…

Well, whatfucking ever. You can go on sneering at everyone who voices an opinion but happens to differ from your Ideal Man in some way or another. I’m sick of trying to reason with a man whose raison d’etre is masking class hatred behind a veneer of rationality.

Chaise, this medhod of communication doesn’t work for what is really just an argument down the pub. It’s not me who choses to go around calling people elitst or whatever. They self select themselves at things like the St Paul’s occupation, where they brought in bizarre practices like the hand signals and ”repeating back” what a speaker was saying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement_hand_signals

If you were to play the youtubes of that to the Liverpool and Everton fans who were in London today, you’d pretty much get a negative reaction ….. I’m guessing.
They wouldn’t be impressed I think. It’s a different culture. That’s where I get the word ”elitism” from. Maybe you could just call it odd – or unusual, or middle class.

It was they who forced themselves into every news programme and newspaper with their demand that everyone listened to them and engage with them. And like the Countryside Alliance who also tried to force their aganda into the media – not everyone has to listen or take you seriously when you do things like that. The more you insist, the more ”elitist” you become.
Maybe I don’t need being told, or I have other issues with the movement. But it was their insistance that the whole country ”listen to them” which is what actually puts a lot of people off – I think. It’s what put me off anyway.

”Jazz Hands” is not cool – at all.

21. Chaise Guevara

@ 20 damon

Yes, yes, people who aren’t exactly like you suck, and apparently when you call people elitist you have no choice in the matter – they FORCE you to act like a dick by activating your bigotry! It’s all their fault. No doubt muggers don’t choose to mug people either – they’re forced into action by the sight of an iPod.

If “elitist” means “middle-class”, then 1) that’s pretty hilarious given that the middle classes are probably in the majority by most definitions, and 2) why not just say middle class? Oh, right, you’re a hateful moron who despises everyone who isn’t exactly like you. The fact that a nasty little snob like yourself thinks other people are elitists is hilarious. Before removing the mote from your neighbour’s eye, attend the fucking great plank in thine own.

You’re not making sense Chaise Guevara. I have just said that THIS kind of activism is a great turn off for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUVqGXPWwY

If you disagree, then fine. If you don’t like my use of the word elitist, again that’s fine, but I can’t find a better word for the view that the left is pure and rightious and all the rest are Middle England Daily Mail reading deluded fools. Someone on another thread just used the word ”progressive” to describe the anti-Tory vote for the London mayoral elections.
What’s the opposite of progressive? Lumpen? Backward?

It has been my opinion that some of the Anti-EDL overreaction has been a loathing for the ”lumpen” part of the population. How we laughed at the EDL moron who slured out the words that sounded like ”Muslamic Ray Guns”.
http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/edl-intelligensia-explains.html

Mine is a reaction to a left that is just not good enough and more judgemental than I am. Yours Chaise, seems to be a reaction at me for daring to say I’m not impressed with the politics and tactics of groups like UK Uncut and the people who want to make air travel more expensive and difficult – and noisily go around doing their ”direct actions” for that cause.

Who are the real snobs?

23. Chaise Guevara

@ 22 damon

“You’re not making sense Chaise Guevara.

[…]

If you disagree, then fine. If you don’t like my use of the word elitist, again that’s fine, but I can’t find a better word for the view that the left is pure and rightious and all the rest are Middle England Daily Mail reading deluded fools. ”

Except you just said that you could call it, i.e. what you see as elitism, middle class. So don’t take my words and pretend they were referring to something else.

“Mine is a reaction to a left that is just not good enough and more judgemental than I am. Yours Chaise, seems to be a reaction at me for daring to say I’m not impressed with the politics and tactics of groups like UK Uncut and the people who want to make air travel more expensive and difficult – and noisily go around doing their ”direct actions” for that cause.”

You can’t possibly have got this far into the conversation and think that I’m reacting to that. I’m reacting to your class hatred. Stop straw manning me, it’s unproductive and childish. Unfortunately, along with ad hom it seems to be the only way you’re capable of holding a conversation.

“Who are the real snobs?”

You. Y’know, on account of hating people based on their class. You calling other people snobs is ridiculously hypocritical, because you’re King Snob of Snobtopia.

I don’t have any hatred for anyone Chaise Guevara. I just don’t have much time for the middle class direct action type protests.
In the same way that other people might not care for the Countryside Alliance.
How was that group discussed on sites like this? I don’t know, but I’m guessing that there would be lots of antipathy to all those people. Coming up to London on their coaches.
Blowing their damn bugle horns and carrying all those ”whinging” banners.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2274129.stm

For me it’s not about ”hatred” just politics, and a bit of class bias when it comes to certain kinds of political activity. But only then.

An elite is a group that is better, not one that thinks it is better.
When I was a teenage schoolboy I sided with those who sneered at the pseudo-intellectuals who sneered at the rest of us (apart from the kid who took three ‘A’ levels when he was 15 – they generally avoided talking about him).
So you need to decide whether you are talking about a genuine elite (Coe, Ovett, Beckham, Rooney, Stephen Hawking etc) or a self-styled “elite” (Polly Toynbee, Will Hutton, Richard Dawkins etc)


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