Tories down to 30% in devastating poll


1:12 am - April 8th 2012

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A new poll by Survation for the Mail on Sunday finds more grim reading for the Conservatives.

- Nearly two out of three say entry to Mr Cameron’s elite inner circle depends on ‘who you know’

- Three out of ten said George Osborne was a ‘snob’

- More than six out of ten say Mr Cameron heads a ‘Government of chums’ – only 1 in 7 disagree

- Nearly three-quarters view the Conservatives as ‘out of touch’ and 61% say the Tory leader is ‘more style than substance’.

- Nearly seven out of ten say that Ministers are not personally committed to their ‘we’re all in it together’ slogan.

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Its difficult to draw anything meaningful from this, apart from that the Mail are willing to go on the attack against Cameron. Its amusing that having claimed there’s no longer a class divide not so long ago (supposedly the divide between public and private sector workers is more important, if you’re gullible) they’re now making a thing of the Old Etonian/Bulligdon background.

2. Leon Wolfeson

Oh come on now, the Ministers are very much all in it together.
Shame about the rest of us.

I’d point out that it’s not very devastating, though. That shows Labour +5.

Yougov have them on +9/+10. Heck, the Sun have them on +10.

3. Shinsei1967

You have to admit its quite an achievement that a coalition government (ie one of two separate parties and quite different political philosophies) can be regarded as a government of chums.

Nice question about the car boot sale. And interesting response.

Odd question about the Bullingdon/pint in bar. There’s nothing un-Bullingdon about drinking pints. Go into any decent pub in Chipping Norton this weekend and it will be full of braying Hooray types drinking pints. Same issue with the pasties. The likes of Cameron love pasties, sausage rolls and scotch eggs.

And thus the problem in London.

Look at that “Who would you invite for dinner” list.

Bozza way ahead of everyone else. That is what too many voters are doing – not looking at what is best for them, but instead looking at the jolly good chap who makes everyone laugh.

And trading on that is exactly what the Tories will continue to do.

5. Shinsei1967

“Bozza way ahead of everyone else. That is what too many voters are doing – not looking at what is best for them, but instead looking at the jolly good chap who makes everyone laugh.”

Because the question was “who would you invite to dinner” not “who do you think has the best transport policies for London”.

I think the real problem with these sorts of polls is that most people are ignorant of the issues. Not that they are stupid but that they just aren’t bothered enough to inform themselves what is going on.

So we have people saying that this is a government of chums yet actual political commentators who follow these things closely have all moved on to how this government, formerly very friendly, is falling out with itself.

See today’s Observer piece by Rawnsley on how the Cameron and Osborne relationship is beginning to strain.

6. Chaise Guevara

@ 3

“Odd question about the Bullingdon/pint in bar. There’s nothing un-Bullingdon about drinking pints. Go into any decent pub in Chipping Norton this weekend and it will be full of braying Hooray types drinking pints. Same issue with the pasties. The likes of Cameron love pasties, sausage rolls and scotch eggs.”

Yeah. This whole pasties thing seems to be based on a bizarre assumption that, if you’re posh, you wouldn’t dream of eating anything less esoteric than lightly poached sea-bass with sauteed quail. As if posh people’s tastebuds don’t work properly and they can’t tell that pork pies are delicious.

7. Shinsei1967

@Chaise Guevera:

Well quite.

Go for dinner at the poshest club in St James, Whites, and the menu is wall-to-wall steak & kidney pudding and treacle tart & Birds Eye custard.

Old school Tories and traditional Labour types have plenty in common culturally – plain food, plenty of booze and betting on horses.

It’s Lib Dems and New Labour types who pan fry sustainably-farmed sea bass and go to the theatre.

The headline seems a tad hysterical to me… it still only makes Labour 5% ahead of the Tories, and Ed Miliband is still behind Cameron in terms of “who would be the best PM”, even tho Cameron’s figure has dropped sharply recently.

The big increase is in “don’t knows”, which probably reflects the general disaffection of large sections of the voting public…. they don’t like ANY of their options at present!

I wouldn’t celebrate too much – the message this poll is supposed to be sending from the Mail (what with the UKIP score so prominently displayed etc) is that the government is supposed to adopt a radical right-wing agenda of anti-immigration and anti-Europe to win its voters back.

The likelihood is also that the UKIP score is massively overstated, since the firm the Mail uses inexplicably prompts for UKIP alongside the other main parties, instead of listing them under “Other” which others pollsters do and tends to reflect the results at the general election.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dacre and his chums specifically selected the pollsters for this reason, or even included a high UKIP score in the project specification.

@9 Jon

I just noticed the point about the prompt for UKIP on the UK Polling report site; apparently the company carrying out the polling used to prompt for the Greens, but no longer do so, they now prompt for UKIP. Such promoting usually results in overstated support for minor parties in comparison to what they actually poll.

It seems according to the UK Polling report average that Labour’s average numbers now give them a 10% lead over the Tories compared with 5% earlier in the year, not because their total % has increased, but because Tory support has fallen.

11. Chaise Guevara

@ 7

“It’s Lib Dems and New Labour types who pan fry sustainably-farmed sea bass and go to the theatre.”

Indeed! If we’re going to generalise, fancy food, theatre visits and other things dismissed as “pretentious” by class warriors are predominantly middle-class pleasures. Also, just because you enjoy those things doesn’t mean you can’t also enjoy sausages rolls and summer blockbusters.

12. Shinsei1967

It’s very confusing. I was watching a Hugh Fearnley-Wittingstall River Cottage repeat last week and he made a pasty.

And seemed to enjoy it.

And he was in the same year at Eton as David Cameron.

@12

Hugh seems quite a likeable chap tho… I could kinda see inviting him to dinner, but not call me Dave. In fact, Hugh would probably be a better PM….. he’s probably more popular too….

@ 7

Go for dinner at the poshest club in St James, Whites, and the menu is wall-to-wall steak & kidney pudding and treacle tart & Birds Eye custard.

Old school Tories and traditional Labour types have plenty in common culturally – plain food, plenty of booze and betting on horses.

It’s Lib Dems and New Labour types who pan fry sustainably-farmed sea bass and go to the theatre.

Reminds me of the old joke – the class system in a meal.

Working class: Roast beef and yorkshire pudding, roast potatoes, cauliflower and carrots, followed by spotted dick and custard.

Middle class: prosciuttio slices served with ciabatta and endives, cherry tomatos drizzled with olive oil, followed by fromage frais and blueberries.

Upper class: Roast beef and yorkshire pudding, roast potatoes, cauliflower and carrots, followed by spotted dick AND CREAM.

15. Chaise Guevara

@13 Galen10

Isn’t Hugh rather disliked, like many other celebs, for possessing the human failings of competence in their field and enthusiasm for their subject? He certainly seems to get sneered at a lot. Often in the same sentence as “Guardian-reader”, “bleeding heart” or “twitterati”.

@14 Splat

LOL! Although I suspect that replacing custard with cream is one of those nouveau riche errors that the image-conscious upper crust would never dream of doing. Like calling napkins “serviettes” and so forth.

@ 15.

Agreed.

17. Richard W

6. Chaise Guevara

” As if posh people’s tastebuds don’t work properly and they can’t tell that pork pies are delicious. ”

Your blatant promotion of pork identifies you as clearly a far right antisemitic. You are only here to disrupt the conversation of the left, go back to ConHome where you belong.

@17 Richard W

LOL… careful Richard, you can expect Leon Wolfson to accuse you of being a far-right entryist, of following him around sites using various different guises, and being anti-Semitic yourself now!

I’ve asked the LC mods to block him for accusing me of being anti-Semitic and refusing to apologise; it will be interesting to see if I get any response!

19. Northern Worker

Perhaps the British aren’t stupid and recognise incompetence when they see it.

20. Leon Wolfeson

@18 – Follow? You’re a johnny-come-lately who’s harassing me in this post. In fact, you realise one of the smaller forums you post on…I’m the administrator, right?

You and your fellow right winger are harassing me, that is. Entirely typical.

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@20 Leon

Another figment of your over active imagination no doubt… come on then, name the forum… and if you’re the administrator, surely you should be able to demonstrate that me and this other (imaginary) accomplice you are talking about are in fact the same people, posting from the same IP addresses?

No?

Thought not.

@19 Northern Worker

“Perhaps the British aren’t stupid and recognise incompetence when they see it.”

Hmmnnn… remember, we’re talking about the people who kept the Tories in power for 18 years, and New Labour for 13…. it’s not as if they have a great record backing winners is it?

24. Leon Wolfeson

@22 – You really think I’m going to give you a chance to destroy evidence, given what you’ve said?

25. Shatterface

The Mayoral election is a more immediate concern than the General Election so the fact four times as many people prefer Johnson to Livingstone is hardly good news for Labour. Christ, people would prefer Galloway to Millipede – though that might simply because GG won’t hog the wine.

A poll on actual policies might have been more informative than ‘how much do you hate posh people?’ though, which seems to be more an issue for the frustrated middle-class than the rest of us.

26. Chaise Guevara

@ 24 Leon

“You really think I’m going to give you a chance to destroy evidence, given what you’ve said”

Hang on. How could he destroy the evidence (by which I assume you mean deleting posts) when you’re the admin? And if he COULD destroy the evidence, surely he could already if he knows what this site is, as you claim he does? AND even if neither of those things were true, wouldn’t the evidence hang around in Google’s cache for ages anyway?

27. Chaise Guevara

@ Leon

And and AND: why do you even care about him destroying the evidence when you’re refusing to present the evidence anyway? What use is evidence if not used as evidence?

28. Leon Wolfeson

@27 – You really think I’m that stupid don’t you. It’s pathetic.

29. Chaise Guevara

@ 28 Leon

Sorry, but I don’t know what that means. Why does answering questions make you stupid?

30. Leon Wolfeson

@29 – Blah blah make this about how I hate…

@24 Leon

As Chaise notes @26 your comment, and your subsequent infantile non-responses simply expose you for the cowardly and deeply unpleasant troll you really are.

You have zero evidence on which to base your defamatory and obnoxious insult that I hold anti-semitic views. If you had such evidence, you would have no problem in producing it – indeed, I would have expected you to be only too happy to do so.

As Chaise also rightly points out, since you *claim* to be the admin of this other site (which you refuse to identify), it should be a relatively small thing for you to demonstrate that I am the same person. Again, you cannot do so because it simply isn’t true.

Calling people anti-semites in an attempt to close down debate, failing to provide evidence which you claim to have, rejecting reasonable calls for you to apologise for your defamatory statements, and the construction of a grandiose conspiracy theory that a number of posters here are “out to get you” on this site, and other unnamed sites show all the hallmarks of trolling, and/or someone with mental health issues – the only other reasonable conclusion is that you are just a nasty piece of work.

I have called on the admins/moderators of this site to ban you not in an attempt to close down debate (which would in any case be improved by your removal), but because you persist in making and repeating defamatory statements.

Either present your evidence or apologise.

32. Chaise Guevara

@ 30 Leon

“Blah blah make this about how I hate…”

Are we just stringing random words together now? Well, purple monkey dishwasher to you too.

7. Shinsei1967

Go for dinner at the poshest club in St James….

… “Eton Mess” surely?

34. Leon Wolfeson

@31 – You think I don’t see the trap? It’s pathetic.

Your FEAR of debate and your continual, personally-targeted spam against me is telling.

@32 – “Spam, spam, spam and ham!”

Exactly. As ever.

35. Chaise Guevara

@ 34 Leon

Lots of people on this thread hate admitting they’re wrong – but describing it as a “trap” is pushing it.

36. Leon Wolfeson

@35 – You continue in your campaign to try to encourage me to make a elementary and massive mistake. It’s an obvious and odious trap which only the vicious would keep trying at this point. Give it up.

37. Chaise Guevara

@ 36

You’re right Leon. It would be a massive mistake to admit you have no evidence for your claims, because that would be (shock! horror!) tantamount to confessing you’re wrong.

I’m glad you’ve avoided this terrible fate and will not be prevented from throwing your bizarre and childish lies around.


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