Cameron caught out on pasty eating fib


2:19 pm - March 28th 2012

by Sunny Hundal    


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Here’s David Cameron this afternoon pretending he is still in touch with ‘the masses’:

I’m a pasty eater myself. I go to Cornwall on holiday. I love a hot pasty. I think the last one I bought was from the West Cornwall Pasty Company. I seem to remember I was in Leeds station at the time.

The choice was to have one of their small ones or their large ones. I’ve got a feeling I opted or the large one and very good it was too.”

Nice try Mr Cameron… but

Brilliant. It is now officially pastytax-gate.

Update: A Leeds woman tells the Telegraph live-blog: “David Cameron? Buying a pasty on this station? I don’t remember that.”

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How is this a fib? He never claimed *when* he had eaten it, and in any case, the statement was heavily qualified. I think you’ve over-egged it Sunny – why not focus on his real lies, instead of this half-baked pasty wannabe?

Turns out there is a pasty shop there, but it’s a Cornish Bakehouse, not a West Cornwall Pasty Co.

Today has been a very silly day.

Of course, it could all be a simple mistake, as there IS a Cornish Bakehouse pasty stand still open in Leeds Trainstation.

I hate to defend the toffs, but it needs to be done in the face of blatant flan-flinging. I don’t think there’s VAT on flans, is there?

I’m no fan of the man, nor of his attempt to appear “down to earth”, but this is just gratuitous. A “fib” is a lie; and mis-remembering (as clearly seems to be the case here) is not sufficient for lying. I’m sure DC has visited plenty of rail stations.

Did he buy it from a 40 year old black man who’d served in the navy for 30 years?

pathetic

Or, according to Twitter, it closed last week.

The Curse Of Cameron?

Desperate…

Not really a full-on pork pie is it? Definitely flan flinging. All getting a bit quichéd now.

Christ Al-fucking-mighty.

11. Chaise Guevara

If Cameron says he he had a pasty from what might have been the West Cornwall Pasty Company in what might have been Leeds station at some unnamed time in the past, the fact that this place closed in 2007 does not show he’s fibbing.

For an example of an actual fib, see the headline of this article!

I could bloody kill for a pasty now!

13. Tomas Stanger

Just because he last ate a pasty 5 years ago doesn’t mean he isn’t fibbing. He’s trying to quell a dispute regarding the subject and he’s trying to weasel out of it by pretending to be a man of the people, which he clearly isn’t.

As the stall closed 5 years ago it shows that he has no concept of what such basic luzuries mean to the everyday person, this is not about whether he’s ever eaten a pasty or not this is about how he misrepresents the general public.

That’s the fib!

Oh my god. Is this REALLY important?

15. Chaise Guevara

@ 14

“As the stall closed 5 years ago it shows that he has no concept of what such basic luzuries mean to the everyday person”

Eh? You can’t understand what basic luxuries mean to the everyday person unless you’re familar with the history of commercial outlets in Leeds Station?

Wanna unpack that a bit?

14 – No but it gives Sunny an excuse to bash the Tories

17. Shatterface

This, and his ‘links’ to the On Digital hacking?

He truly is History’s Greatest Monster.

Oh dear our PM is starting to give us a laugh a minute.

19. pete stanway

He didnt say when but I assumed this was a regular recent thing

What is actually the thinking behind this reasoning? Why should hot food and cold food be treated differently?

The pasty example is very good at showing how ludicrous the idea is. If hot is taxable and cold is not then there has to be legal definitions of hot and cold. Is warm taxable or not?

I don’t know what’s sadder – the fact that someone can remember where they ate their last pasty or the fact that it’s of interest to anyone.

22. Robin Levett

@Chaise #15:

@ 14

“As the stall closed 5 years ago it shows that he has no concept of what such basic luzuries mean to the everyday person”

Eh? You can’t understand what basic luxuries mean to the everyday person unless you’re familar with the history of commercial outlets in Leeds Station?

Wanna unpack that a bit?

Not to put words in the OP’s mouth, but I think the point is that he clearly hans’t eaten a pasty for 5 years, which suggests he is not a frequent pasty-eater, which in turn means his attempted “man of the people” schtick is torpedoed by his patent lack of familiarity with life as it is lived on the raw pasty-eating fringes of the UK.

To be fair, the vendor named sounds like exactly the kinda place to charge over a fiver for a special edition quail with a hint of swan pasty.

I do agree that with a million and one crappy things he’s done, this isn’t a priority, but is there really any harm in finding something a bit light hearted and ripping on him about that, or can we only bash people for the big stuff?

I’m fairly sure this isn’t a serious attack on the Conservative Party, if it was, I’m losing faith in this place 🙂

I ate my last pasty 12 years ago, on a visit to Cornwall.

I’m still digesting it.

BenSix, I can honestly tell you I haven’t eaten a decent pasty in years, despite buying a number of pasties from supposedly reputable companies at railway stations.

This is the sort of thing a Prime Minister should crack down on – leave alone the NHS and legal aid reforms and the problems with the economy and for god’s sake let’s campaign to ensure every man, woman and child has access to a decent, law-abiding British pasty within walking distance.

I say OccuPasty! Who’s with me?

Yea, but when you said Pasty, Cameron thought you ment Patsy, so he thought of Clegg. So he probably did have Clegg on Leeds station.

27. Here we go again.

Ahh once more Sally’s homophobia rears its ugly head.

Once again the gay insinuations about any politicians she doesn’t like. The other day it was Imran Kahn and Boris, today it’s Clegg and Cameron.

Once again we see the way you try to use homosexuality as some kind of insult – but it doesn’t work though. Your insults only work if you think homosexuality is wrong or shameful – and it isn’t.

What is wrong and shameful though is your homophobia!

a tax on pasties will probably do the country the world of good.

29. Chaise Guevara

@ 22 Robin

“Not to put words in the OP’s mouth, but I think the point is that he clearly hans’t eaten a pasty for 5 years, which suggests he is not a frequent pasty-eater, which in turn means his attempted “man of the people” schtick is torpedoed by his patent lack of familiarity with life as it is lived on the raw pasty-eating fringes of the UK.”

Sounds reasonable, except when you realise that it hangs on whether or not he’s right about where and when, exactly, he last had a pasty. TOTAL RECALL OR NOTHING, DAMMIT!

Yes, I get the subtext to all this. But this article is pathetic, and the headline is a lie, and that’s annoying. Not only is it trying to set up an ad hom, but it actually fails to make that meagre achievement. It deserves the piss-taking it’s getting.

For the record, I’m not a fan of pasties. Presumably I should go hand myself in as an Enemy of the People.

30. Chaise Guevara

@ 25 UKliberty

“I say OccuPasty! Who’s with me?”

Not me! Fuck you, and the rest of the crypto-pastiest running dogs. We will fight you on the beaches. We will fight you in that nice delicatessen down the road. We will fight you on general principles, handed down to us from ancestor to ancestor! We of the proud Melton Mowbray clan know that REAL ordinary people care only for pork pies!

You can take our pies, but you’ll never taken our FREEEEEDOOOM!

On Twitter everyone’s having a laugh about this story, and in the comments section all I hear is whining by people that its not a serious enough story.
*note to self: stop forcing people to read all your stories*

3. Ste – that shop (Cornish Bakehouse pasty) is now closed as well. There are no shops selling pasties at Leeds station any more.

@27 – Homophobia, don’t be daft. It’s just good ole fashioned hear say.

What is actually the thinking behind this reasoning? Why should hot food and cold food be treated differently?

The concept behind VAT is that it’s a basic consumption tax on everything (replacing older concepts such as sales tax, purchase tax, luxury tax and so on, and including both goods and services). When it was introduced, the government was worried that there would be a political backlash against taxing ‘necessities’, so food and children’s clothes were excluded. However, counting dinner at the Ritz as ‘food’ and hence a ‘necessity’ would be ridiculous, so a line needed to be drawn somewhere.

The decision was taken to draw the line so that all eat-in restaurants, plus hot food bought from takeaways, were luxuries subject to VAT (there’s no measurable difference between cold food bought from a takeaway and cold food bought from another shop, so it isn’t subject to VAT). The current rule change reflects the fact that places like Greggs were taking the piss by keeping their pasties and pies in hot cabinets after baking, and avoiding VAT on the basis that they were hot as part of the production process rather than deliberately.

The whole thing is a ridiculous piece of angel-pin-head-dancing; far better would be to restrict the VAT exemption to fresh fruit & veg, thereby encouraging healthy eating and returning to the basic-necessities spirit in which the exemption was created in the first place.

Fuel crisis caused explicitly by governmental rhetoric in response to possible strikes, budget for millionaires paid for by pensioners, and what’s everyone focus on? Greggs the bakers. No wonder the Tories keep winning.

There was hardly a night when he and William Hague didn’t share a dozen pasties, twenty or thirty brown ales and a hog’s head of pork scratchings down the ‘Stoat and Ferret’ before pleasuring the village bike with a knee trembler behind the ‘sheds’.
She, clutching the hem of her frock firmly between her NHS dentures and Dave holding aloft the half eaten remains of a fish and chip supper he had promised to take home for Sam’ and the kids.
Ah, those were the days……………………………..before the Bullingdon Club of course.

35. Cylux. Well that is another topic isn’t it? So do you want us to write about fuel in every topic even it has no irrelevancy to the article?

38. Chaise Guevara

@ 31 Sunny

“On Twitter everyone’s having a laugh about this story, and in the comments section all I hear is whining by people that its not a serious enough story.”

To be fair, a lot of us have also pointed out that you’re making things up and leaping to conclusions.

I can almost forgive Cameron the pasty thing – its crap and he looks an arse, but, he did anyway, what I can’t forgive the Tories is for is putting our economy into a recession which was entirely predictable and utterly avoidable! Grrrrr!

I expand on this in the following article: http://www.allthatsleft.co.uk/2012/03/god-help-us-and-save-us-from-the-tories/


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