Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town


6:32 pm - March 26th 2012

by Sunny Hundal    


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Tory MP Gerald Howarth told BBC Surrey Breakfast this morning (2h 10m) that people were “fed up” of elderly Gurkhas in their local town of Aldershot.

He also said they “don’t understand our customs” and that they were “just basically wandering around”.

The discussion on BBC Surrey centred around whether Gurkhas will still be allowed to serve in the British army.

Gerald Howarth told the radio station:

I was walking around in Aldershot on Saturday and everywhere I went there were Nepalese just basically sitting out in the open … sitting out on the park benches.

You may find this bizarre, but some of my constituents say ‘if I go into town, I haven’t got a park bench to sit on because they are all taken by the Nepalese’.

I don’t even where to start.

The Tory MP is of course talking about Nepalese Gurkhas who risked their life for this country in the Army. And he’s complaining about them taking up all the park benches?

Howarth went on to criticise what he called the “pretty disgraceful campaign by Joanna Lumley” to get Gurkhas settled in the UK.

He also said:

Quite clearly, people in Aldershot I tell you are absolutely fed up and had enough of this. They feel powerless, if they say something they get accused of being racist. It’s their town they are entitled to a view on it.

People are telling me: “we’re moving, we’re leaving this town’, and this is not fair on them and not fair on the elderly Gurkhas…

Nearly 4000 Gurkhas serve in the British army.

Many Nepalese army families have ended up settling in Aldershot (which is in Hampshire, not Surrey).

Update: Labour actually have a statement released on this story:

Kevan Jones MP, Labour’s Shadow Defence Minister, responding to comments made by Defence Minister Gerald Howarth about Gurkhas, said:

This shows a worrying lack of respect for a community who have given a huge amount to our country and continue to do so on the frontline.

We recognise the pressures on the community in Aldershot but Gerald Howarth and the Conservatives supported Gurkhas in Opposition and should do so in Government.

This is a Government making mass redundancies and who desperately need to show some compassion towards service veterans.

Mr Howarth should clarify his comments and apologise for any offence caused.

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Why am I not surprised it is Gerald Howarth?

I wonder if was carrying Thatchers handbag at the time?

Typical of this bloody country. You can’t even complain about people of another race OPENLY SITTING ABOUT IN PUBLIC PLACES, if you please, without the so-called politically correct brigade trying to say you’re some sort of racist.

I seem to recall the Tory party milking the Joanna Lumley campaign for its very last drop.

Since when has demanding that white people’s right to sitting down is greater than foreign people’s right been racist??? Comin’ over ‘ere, takin’ our benches!

Yes, how dare people move freely through public space and use local facilities??!

He’s not going to be able to get away with this, surely?

I suppose “more benches” might be an answer to the problem?

7. Andrew Dicker

Sadly some old-school tories do have this unsdesireable attitude. A lot of Nepalese have settled in the area, in towns like Aldershot and Bordon which have the strong army link, but they’re always very pleasant. Attitudes like this deserve to be challenged.

There are park benches and people are sitting on them! Oh noes!

The shortage of benches in this country is scandalous!

9. Shatterface

Sitting on benches? That’s nothing – in my town there’s a bloody big monument for people who fought for this country right in the middle of the bloody park.

And that’s for people who aren’t even alive.

Mental.

10. dapperdannielle

If they’re good enough to serve in our Army and get injured or die – then they’re perfectly entitled to sit on park benches in Aldershot.

It’s a pity they can’t settle somewhere where the locals have the manners to make them welcome though, instead of among Howarth and his ingrates.

11. Eddy Nixon

It’s clear this guy has not realised that (a) as the Nepalese have settled in Aldershot it is their town too and (b) they are his constituents as well. And this is the type of person running the country!

12. Planeshift

“The shortage of benches in this country is scandalous!”

The tories plan to increase the number of park benches available under their ‘affordable housing strategy’.

They are currently working with the banks to get a scheme of shared equity available for first time buyers, whereby the buyer will only have to provide the paint for the bench as a deposit.

Having travelled/trekked in Nepal, I found them to be exceptionally friendly people. They live their lives, like much of that region, out in the open, not locked behind closed doors glued to the TV or Wii. It is a very sociable and engaging existence and I can only imagine the joy they feel of being able to do it in such a (supposedly) military town of Aldershot.
Gurkhas are understandably proud of their military links with Britain, and to be living in a place like Aldershot, with its equally proud military history, they must be bursting with pride.
It’s a shame the residents of Aldershot and their gimlet of a Tory MP have shamed our nation by their self-centred, selfish, cowardly and disrespectful comments.
Perhaps a “sit-in” by peaceful protestors would be the way forward. With flasks of hot tea, tartan blankets and placards, I’m sure we cold get right up the noses of Gerald Howarth and his thick-wit constituents…

How telling: http://www3.hants.gov.uk/aldershot-museum.htm

(You can fight them on the beachs, but you can keep off the benches…)

To be fair to the MP, gurkha sounds a bit like burqhua, so it’s quite possible he thinks they’re Islamic terrorists or something. You can’t be too careful.

My take is that this won’t get really serious until they press to revoke the VCs awarded to Gurkhas for valour while fighting battles in the British army on foreign fields.

I live near Aldershot and understand this statement from him.

What is not made clear is the actual statement that is meant. The Nepalise community have different way of lifestyle to our own an it is evident in a few events i have witnessed.
– Often see Nepalise women squatting in parks and street corners to urinate.
– See large crowds of people (can be between 10 and 80) of Nepalise sitting on public footpaths pealing vegtables and preparing meat for meals.

I personally think that this article is not specific enough to point out events that are happening and think that people away from this area do not understand them.

I am sure you can understand now why people take offence to some actions of the minority of this race.

However, Some people in the area are plain racist against these people which is obviously unexceptable.

Did no one read a little more of the detail?

”’Around 10 per cent of the Hampshire borough of Rushmoor’s 90,000 population is now Nepalese”.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039286/Minister-Gerald-Howarth-says-treat-Gurkhas-like-asylum-seekers.html

”But many old Nepalese soldiers are penniless, spending their nights in rundown bedsits and their days searching for affordable food.
Some 800 children with Nepali as their first language have arrived in the constituency and must be accommodated in schols”.

19. The Cricks

You’ve never lived in Aldershot, I can see.

I have. This is a sore which has festered for decades and is a local issue of anti-social behaviour, you’re not really qualified to comment. The Tory is not a great MP but has, on this occasion, judged the mood well.

As far back as the 1980’s I remember that a lot of town centre violence in Aldershot involved ghurkas. The pub outside the station was a no-go area as running battles went on there regularly, they queered their pitch in the town a long time ago. I left in 1999 but they were not regarded at all well.

This chimes as being a local issue which is still ongoing and can’t be understood by countrywide political commentators. I hate to say it, but the Tory has his finger on the pulse, and he would have loved Labour’s release as it gives him more votes next time around and drains them from Labour.

@ Scott
I am sure you can understand now why people take offence to some actions of the minority of this race.

Really? “this race”? So, clearly, not your race then, but as they’re human, what does that make you?

Scott, I see, again and again, men of every colour, nationality, occupation and age get their todgers out and pee openly in the streets in Britain, including oh-so-many white British men, and I have seen this for decades. They pee against walls, in shop doorways, against trees in the park, in litter bins, behind cars. I understand that you don’t like to see people peeing in the street. I, too, hate to see people peeing in the streets – it makes the streets smell bad, for one thing, and I don’t want anyone to show me their todger unless I have invited them to do so – but this practice amongst men seems to be curiously acceptable with many people and in many towns and cities. So, if this is indeed happening, and not just a story being put about to slur the Nepalese women in Aldershot, is it the fact that they are women or that they are Nepalese that makes you cross?

My father fought alongside Gurhkas in WW2. He always drummed into me just how loyal they are, as well as how deadly they are in combat. Sadly (or maybe refreshingly) they are also very polite and meekly mannered in private life and an easy target for a bully. That’s the reason why Joanna Lumley stuck up for them – they needed someone to stick up for them. They are welcome to share a bench with me and pass the time of day anytime, in fact it would be an honour.

Can I suggest the simple answer is to get more park benches as they are clearly required? And show some pride in our old Soldiers like other greatful Patriots do. Disgraceful attitude for an MP to hold!

Kevan Jones, friend of the Gurkhas.

You couldn’t make it up….

Knowing the Tories they will start charging for a sit down on a public bench.

British Benches for British arses!!!

Have we considered a tax rebate for private sector firms that invest in local bench provision?

I probably shouldn’t even joke, it’ll be government policy soon…

why is it not surprising that Gerald Howarth used to be MP for Cannock, the same seat now held by Aidan Burley the purveyor of dodgy German regalia. Honestly I don’t know what Cannock does to em but at least Jennie Lee and Tony Wright were good uns

Maybe we should introduce laws so that some benches are for Brits only and the Gurkhas can have their own. We don’t even need to stop there! Separate buses, swimming pools, hotels and restaurants are needed as well. I think they did something like that in South Africa and that it worked out well.

29. tigerdarwin

I’ve been hearing groans about Gurkhas from from the usual Tory types, few drinks too many, mockney SE accent, all drinking down the locals.

What you have to remember is that Howarth et al are the types who colonised the Raj and think they are socially , and culturally superior.

Not a nice group, he embodies the nasty party.

It’s the same in my town, can’t get into the betting shop for Gurkhas, this country, I don’t know.

31. Emma Reardon

My friend linked this to me. The link description didn’t say the town.

My response?

“Is he from Aldershot?”

Too predictable.

32. Emma Reardon

also, to The Cricks: I lived in Aldershot. My mother still does. I am also ex-military, and I think this MP is speaking a load of dingos’ kidneys.

33. PAUL MILLER

the hilarious irony of this story is tory mps and joanna lumley attacked the previous labour government for NOT allowing ghurkhas into the country. now a tory mp is saying the opposite. hilarious.

“Miltary men are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”

Henry Kissinger
National Security Adviser to Richard Nixon 1973 and White House Advisor during the Iraq and Afghan wars.

One could easily be led to believe that men and women who have served their government’s foreign ambitions well, should equally be quite dispensable.
If perchance their bodies or spirits have been broken by conflict, whether spun as legal or plainly not, then they are simply an inconvenience.
Despite the hype and the posturing do not fall into the trap of believing politicians of the mind set of Howarth feel any different about miltary persons of white Anglo Saxon origin.
Because they don’t.

35. Chaise Guevara

When I saw the headline, I initially thought “poor sod, he’s probably got an understandable complaint against a group that it’s not considered acceptable to criticise”.

But no. Having read his slightly unbelievable comments, he’s clearly a racist twat boldly standing up for the desires of his fellow racist twats.

36. Chaise Guevara

@ 19

“I have. This is a sore which has festered for decades and is a local issue of anti-social behaviour, you’re not really qualified to comment. The Tory is not a great MP but has, on this occasion, judged the mood well. ”

Perhaps Aldershotians should just accept the fact that non-whites are allowed to sit on benches?

As for your anecdotes about crime by Gurkhas: fascinating, and surely not at all biased, but could you tell me how that adds up to the entire group being deemed not fit to sit down in public?

37. Planeshift

“You’ve never lived in Aldershot, I can see”

“. I left in 1999 but they were not regarded at all well. ”

Excellent, I too am going to comment on local news stories about areas I haven’t been in for 13 years. In fact as I went to barcelona in 1993 I feel suitably well qualified to talk about it’s litter problems and the influx of non-catalonians who are ruining the culture.

Chaise Guevara, come on, think a bit.
He’s not complaining about people sitting on park benches in a normal sense – even if he has spoken very poorly. If a park was full of homeless people spending their days sitting on park benches you wouldn’t just say that to mention it meant you were prejudiced towards homeless people. You might be highlighting that there was a problem.

Having looked up this story from some other sources, there does seem to be an issue of some disorientated people being somewhat lost and disconnected in their new environment. 9,000 Nepalese in a borough of 90,000 is quite a lot. Of course the local MP should have something to say about it.

39. Chaise Guevara

@ 28 damon

“Chaise Guevara, come on, think a bit.”

Ah, the old “people who feel differently to me are thickos” gambit. What a great way to start a conversation. Well done.

“He’s not complaining about people sitting on park benches in a normal sense – even if he has spoken very poorly. If a park was full of homeless people spending their days sitting on park benches you wouldn’t just say that to mention it meant you were prejudiced towards homeless people. You might be highlighting that there was a problem.”

People tend to find homeless people offputting – the extent to which this is prejudice is something I can’t be bothered to get into right now. So what, specifically, is it about Gurkhas that makes this reaction valid? What exactly is the problem with them using benches – other than it meaning nice white folk might not get a seat, of course?

“Having looked up this story from some other sources, there does seem to be an issue of some disorientated people being somewhat lost and disconnected in their new environment. 9,000 Nepalese in a borough of 90,000 is quite a lot. Of course the local MP should have something to say about it.”

Then perhaps he should say something about it, instead of going off on a racist rant about how Gurkhas are failing to act like second-class citizens and SITTING ON PARK BENCHES like they think they’re people or something? Just a thought.

And why is it that I knew before I read your post that you’d be providing support to the bigots? You always want to defend people who hate gypsies, gays, Gurkhas… interesting trend, that.

Chaise, that last line was pretty silly. I can’t work out who’s worse, some of the people on LC or some of them on Harry’s Place. Did you see this nonsense about John Prescott?
http://hurryupharry.org/2012/03/26/what-a-wanker-john-prescott-is/

Because he mentioned ”north London dinner party activists” they automatically presumed he was talking badly about Jews.

If this thread is just to have cheap laughs at a Tory, them fair enough. There’s a lot of that on LC. Maybe it isn’t the place to be talking about 9,000 Nepalese people turning up in a town quite quickly. And whether there is really provision for them all.
The Daily Mail article said that many of them are poor.
That’s hardly a great way to start a new community living in England.

41. Chaise Guevara

@ 40 damon

Refusing to answer questions and engaging in whataboutery, I see. Same shit, different day.

If the Tory’s comments are so unimportant, why did you rush to defend them? And are you capable of answering that question instead of just linking to an irrelevant article? Give it your best shot!

Obviously we need to privatise the park benches so only the richest most deserving people cansit on them.

So what, specifically, is it about Gurkhas that makes this reaction valid? What exactly is the problem with them using benches – other than it meaning nice white folk might not get a seat, of course?

Are these the questions you were talking about? Let’s see if anything develops with this story. Although, like with the ”bigger fatter gypsier” thread, LC often doesn’t follow up.

If you get a lot of people turning up all of a sudden in a new place, and not just Gurkhas, but their families too, and then just leaving them to it, they could well be suffering some culture shock. And if they are poor, even more so.
Similar things were said of some asylum seekers who were ”dumped” on some rundown housing estates in Glasgow.

It’s so easy for people to get the wrong end of the stick about anything even slightly contentious. Some people enjoy doing so I think.
Where I live there’s a dozen Romanian Roma families living in the area, who are not eligable for any benefits or allowed to work and so who make their living from selling the Big Issue, busking, begging and working at car washes (self employed).
http://belfastmediagroup.com/locals-%e2%80%98we%e2%80%99re-not-racist%e2%80%99/

But to even try to talk about them and what should be done for them is fraught with difficulty, because people will start shouting ”racist” at the first opportunity.
So far, commentators here have only gone in for the easy ”Tory Colonel Blimp” angle.
Maybe that’s all the tread is meant to be.

44. Chaise Guevara

@ 43 damon

“Are these the questions you were talking about?”

Yes… but answer came there none!

Don’t insult my intelligence, then refuse to enter dialogue about the topic I was talking about. It’s extremely fucking rude. Put up or shut up. Why is it ok to have a go at Gurkhas for sitting on park benches? Justify the positions you support for once.

Oh, and that thing about how horrid it is of me to refer to a racist as “racist”? I don’t care. The cap fits, he can wear it. You have yet to explain why bigots should be protected from criticism, despite me asking several times.

[Awaits non-sequitur.]

45. Chaise Guevara

@ 43 damon

Oh, and I see that the answer to my question: “are you capable of answering that question instead of just linking to an irrelevant article?” is a resounding “no”.

I grew up in Surrey, and worked in Aldershot when I was younger. To my bemusement, several of my friends continued to live there until quite recently; the last time I’ve been out on the town there or had serious conversations about the place was in about 2010.

I’ve heard many townies complain about the behaviour of squaddies (and seen some, although less than might be expected, bad squaddie behaviour – all were British) – although this has diminished since the Paras left town. I’ve seen far more awful townie behaviour, and this is also generally what the locals I know tend to complain about (usual provincial-town-thuggery ‘you looking at my bird’-ness).

But until reading this piece today, I’ve *never* heard *anyone* resident in, from, or affiliated with Aldershot complain about the gurkhas. At all.

Now, I accept that if 9,000 Nepalese have arrived since 2010, things could have changed drastically – but it’s for certain that The Cricks upthread is talking absolute bollocks.

47. CharlieMcMenamin

Well, I grew up in the town and, after a gap of thirty years, have had cause to return a couple of times recently. It’s richer than it was.

The chicken wire on the pubs in the centre of town, a precaution against IRA bombs, seem to have gone The handwritten notes on pub doors banning this or that battalion of the Paras from the establishment after fights with other battalions have gone as well. I’ve no idea if those two jeeps full of Redcaps still arrive outside selected town centre hostelries mid afternoon on Saturdays to ‘supervise’ the exit of squaddies. Perhaps even that’s stopped.

But what I’d bet my bottom dollar on is that the basic and huge gender imbalance in the 16-30 age group hasn’t changed: such an imbalance is also impossible to escape in any military town . & it is this imbalance which made Aldershot such a leery place to visit in the evenings in the 1970s and 1980s and I suspect still does.(My teenage years left me with the firm conviction that what young men do in the absence of roughly proportionate numbers of young women is drink, fight, bet, get tattoos and mill about aimlessly.)

So it makes me laugh to hear that the basic problem is Nepalese sitting on park benches.

As it happens, my recollection is that Gurkhas – perhaps because they were a bit older on average compared to the normal run of British squaddies, perhaps because they were mainly based some distance from the town, were rarely involved in any public violence in the 1970s/80s. At school we had a standing joke about the periodic coverage of the unveiling of yet another prostitution court case in the musty pages of the Aldershot News: somehow the woman always used to be quoted as saying something along the lines of ,” I always prefer Gurhkas, they fold their trousers neatly before hand…”

This is just racism, isn’t it? Pure and simple…..

The Labour statement is rather weak. And the inclusion of “We recognise the pressures on the community” makes me doubt what they wish to achieve with it.

Why can’t Labour call racism what it is?

Well Chaise, I can see you don’t want to try too hard on this one. Sure – the Tory MP made a bit of a hash of what he said. The thing is, I don’t think that you want to look into or mull this one over (just for the sake of argument) and see if there could have been anything in what he was saying.
I presume you listened to him on the radio. He spoke of ”elderly Nepalese wandering around”. The words ”wandering around” could be important there. The words could mean in a confused and not entirely healthy way.

Someone found ”wandering around” could be in need of some help. Or it could be yourself just ”wandering around” the shops. If he was hinting at the former, then it takes on a diferent meaning to if it was just people wandering around going about their business. But he does emphasise that they are elderly, and that they have had particular medical problems to do with being elderly, and 9,000 people in a town of 90,000 is a heck of a lot of people. He is rather concerned that it could be another 9,000 coming to his borough in the next few years and wants some kind of dispersal programme to be enacted. Maybe Chaise you could give your opinion on whether that’s reasonable.

He spoke of this a year ago when he wrote a letter to David Cameron.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355879/Gurkha-heroes-overwhelming-town-say-Aldershot-councillors-MP.html

As did people from the local council.

Rushmoor council asks for support for Gurkha migrants
Council chiefs have taken their concerns over an influx of former Gurkha soldiers in two Hampshire towns to Parliament.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-12890941

And Chaise, your ”cap fits – wear it” thing is seriously dull. Sanctimonious even.

42. Phil Hunt

” Obviously we need to privatise the park benches so only the richest most deserving people cansit on them. ”

A private coin operated bench has already been designed. I think I read that Japan has introduced them. A bit unfortunate if someone falls asleep.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/15/pay-or-pain-the-private-park-bench/

51. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells

Why can’t Labour call racism what it is?

Because they’d be called that most dastardly of all things – ‘politically correct’.

43
Let’s just hope that the Ghurkhas start taking on some of the more visible aspects of park and town centre culture, y’know like drinking out of their minds and vomitting everywhere.

“Often see Nepalise women squatting in parks and street corners to urinate.”

Surely, what is need is a new Morality Police, just like they have in Iran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56rBVuaq2yc

A Morality Police getting a few culprits convictions for breaches of chastity laws in Aldershot would soon stop all that

ok we have covered people committing offences like using benches for the purpose they were intended. But what about these Nepalese who are “just basically wandering around”. What exactly is this Howarth’s problem? Isn’t this quite legitimate within rights of way legislation? after all they are not loitering with intent.

Isn’t sitting on benches, and then wandering around exactly what Howarth does as an MP?

55. Chaise Guevara

@ 49 damon

“Well Chaise, I can see you don’t want to try too hard on this one. Sure – the Tory MP made a bit of a hash of what he said. The thing is, I don’t think that you want to look into or mull this one over (just for the sake of argument) and see if there could have been anything in what he was saying.”

Oh, FFS. Of course there could be something in what he’s saying about the broader issue. That doesn’t excuse his racist comments. Or make it cool for you to act like the patronising, question-dodging, borderline-trolling prat you increasingly are. Don’t accuse me of not wanting to “try too hard” when you’re too much of an intellectual coward to answer simple questions despite being asked repeatedly, you ridiculous hypocrite.

It’s like you’ve suddenly realised “I know, if I wander around insulting people and being passive-aggressive, but every time I’m asked to justify my behaviour I just go off on a tangent, I can stroke my overinflated ego every day without ever having to admit I’m talking out of my arse!” Well, good for you, but I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt for far too long and I’m not bothering with this horseshit any longer.

56. Man on Clapham Omnibus

I personally believe that benches made of foreign wood should be repatriated.

Chaise, it’s clear that this is only meant to be a joke thread and the chance to have a go at a Tory. See comment @56 for an example.
My mistake was taking the actual situation seriously. Even members of the council were concerned by 9,000 new arivals in short time and are probably worried it could become another 9,000 quite quickly.
I don’t know exactly what the MP meant by his words, but it’s not something you can really discuuss in an environment where attacking Tories is seen as a bllod sport.

I mean, if we brought 9,000 asylum seekers out of an African war zone and brought them to one borough and just housed them in multiple occupancy houses, there might be some fall out from this, because for it to work it would need a lot of planning and resources. That’s probably what the MP was talking about. He just said it very clumsily.
Maybe he’s just a bit of a NIMBY.

I still think the ”wandering around and sitting on benches” could be how some people might react to too many ”care in the community” case people being left to wander the streets without adequate provision.

58. John L Oakes

What a nasty, ignorant ungrateful little shit Howarth is.No wonder we lost the Empire, if there were people like him in control.

Doesn’t he know how much we have relied on the legendary Ghurka fighting- reputation to win in situations where we were outnumbered ?

This Daily Mail article from a year ago paints a rather grim picture of life for some of the elderly Gurkhas, wives and widows.

At a bedsit in a rundown house in Aldershot, the 64-year-old Mrs Rai is all alone. She spends her days with her few possessions, a couple of colourful knitted blankets pinned to the wall and photos of her – as a Gurkha soldier’s wife – taken years ago when she was young and happy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1362426/Gurkhas-UK-living-poverty-convinced-theyre-exploited-head-home.html

In British towns, the old soldiers live in dingy rooms rented for hundreds of pounds a month. After selling their possessions and land, and borrowing huge sums at high interest to journey here, many are destitute and in debt. Almost all are without work.

I think they may be sitting out on park benches because they live in dingy rooms.
Fifty years ago, the Irish men who lived in dingy rooms over in England, used to spend a lot of time in the pub for somewhere to go.

60. Kevin Archer

If we fly all the people of Aldershot out to fight the Taliban or maybe a few Argentinian’s just before the next general election, then there should be plenty of spare seats in the park for the retired peace makers to rest their weary limbs.

So what, specifically, is it about Gurkhas that makes this reaction valid? What exactly is the problem with them using benches – other than it meaning nice white folk might not get a seat, of course?

Just to add, I thought these questions were pretty stupid, and the way this thread went showed that I was wrong to try to bring up what actually might be happening in the town.
Poor Gurkhas and their families moving to England on an idea that things were going to be all rosy and nice, and the reality turns out to be far from that. With poor people being somewhat dumped and now cut off from their families back home.

When you chose to look at it from that point of view, Chaise’s little outburst in post 55 looks a little overdone and flouncy.

The Gurkhas might be sitting around on public benches in the park because they don’t have a good home life like they are used to in their villages in Nepal.

Btw, are Gurkhas mercenaries? Are our Gurkhas in Aldershot any better than ex members of the French Foreign Legion?
I’d say they are about the same. Which isn’t particularly good.

Damon “Btw, are Gurkhas mercenaries?”

What’s wrong with mercenaries? The only difference between them and any other soldiers is that they don’t fight for their own nation state. So what? And for anyone who doesn’t believe in the nation state even that distinction is irrelevant anyway.

revisiting this post, I noticed

Gerald Howarth described himself as “I was walking around in Aldershot…”

and his worry was that the Gurkhas were “just basically wandering around”

I would suggest that Gerald Howarth could be a Gurkha, but that would also require a great service to the British nation.

Tory MP Gerald Howarth what a disgrace of this country. Sending poor and innocent Nepalese youth on front line war to protect Britain and now he can’t digest living them around what a big heart of British people.

thanks god Lumley there.


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    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/OPwQ6KM1 via @libcon

  3. Daisy

    Racism – pure & simple: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/yqjF8Mrh via @libcon

  4. Lee Cooper

    Tory MP complains of Nepalese Gurkhas "sitting" http://t.co/5pacFNG6

  5. Nick Cotter

    Our story: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” on park benches and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  6. GStranks

    How dare those pesky Nepalese dare to go out in the OPEN and sit on park BENCHES http://t.co/shNHEkHR

  7. Danny Vandal

    Ridiculous. Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/BqD6Anxr

  8. Imran

    People of Aldershot, buy more benches! Stop being complete arses! http://t.co/wb2ZYZqB

  9. Neeraj Agarwal

    Ridiculous. Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/BqD6Anxr

  10. J.Teigland

    Ridiculous. Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/BqD6Anxr

  11. Eileen Cowen

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/f0ZLskaw via @zite

  12. John Appleby

    Gerald Howarth makes a pitch for the hotly contested title of Most Racist Tory MP Ever http://t.co/0itEMMvn (via @philbc3)

  13. the man who cant run

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/2A782niH via @zite

  14. D MacGille-Mhuire

    RT @libcon: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas "sitting" and "wandering" in his town http://t.co/OAjucp0E

  15. freiahill

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  16. michelle maher

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  17. Colm McCarthy

    Mental racism.

    http://t.co/uCO9dI2p

  18. fauxpaschick

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  19. Jay Asher

    Ridiculous. Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/BqD6Anxr

  20. Roger Bliss

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  21. BevR

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  22. Teddy Ryan

    How dare Gurkhas sit on park benches. Anybody would think they selflessly servd the country, the way they swan around http://t.co/c2wqhl3X

  23. Pui Shi

    How dare Gurkhas sit on park benches. Anybody would think they selflessly servd the country, the way they swan around http://t.co/c2wqhl3X

  24. TheCreativeCrip

    Racism – pure & simple: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/yqjF8Mrh via @libcon

  25. Love the Bees

    Racism – pure & simple: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/yqjF8Mrh via @libcon

  26. Nell Epona Bridges

    Racism – pure & simple: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/yqjF8Mrh via @libcon

  27. Geoff White

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  28. Dave @sharpcoupe

    Racism – pure & simple: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/yqjF8Mrh via @libcon

  29. Ian Kerr

    Racism – pure & simple: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/yqjF8Mrh via @libcon

  30. Elaine

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  31. michelle maher

    Racism – pure & simple: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/yqjF8Mrh via @libcon

  32. Rhys Griffiths

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/oVr4iREL via @zite

  33. duona

    Update on Tory MP slur on Gurkhas: Labour want clarification he's complaining about Gurkhas sitting on park benches http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  34. McGinOxford

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  35. Lucas E. Burgess

    #UK : Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting ” and “wandering ” in his town http://t.co/v2IXGEVL

  36. Foxy52

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  37. Matthew Champion

    Labour calls on Tory minister Gerald Howarth to clarify remarks after saying Gurkhas take up space on park benches http://t.co/WjNV95ii

  38. Pranav Patel

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  39. Pranav Patel

    Mirror picks up our story: 'Tory MP slammed over outburst on Gurkha veterans' http://t.co/8gkf7K9m // On LC yesterday: http://t.co/1N4ynFJ4

  40. Luke Pagarani

    Can't tell if Howarth MP is having a racist whinge or just doesn't like elderly strollers generally. http://t.co/8LzJqIFB #parkbenchscarcity

  41. John Band

    The MP for Aldershot is as much of a scumbag as one would expect him to be from a cursory knowledge of the town: http://t.co/K1GbXofn

  42. JuliaM

    The MP for Aldershot is as much of a scumbag as one would expect him to be from a cursory knowledge of the town: http://t.co/K1GbXofn

  43. Keith Burchell

    Nasty Party! Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/SiL65iw4 via @libcon

  44. Andrew Ducker

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/cV6nlDw6

  45. sana

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/cV6nlDw6

  46. Stephen Clarke

    "Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town" So fucking what? Dickhead ~ http://t.co/Uu2MusRt

  47. David Munro

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas sitting & wandering in his town http://t.co/mNxaylBJ
    The Conservatives.
    Today's Reason For Independence.
    #sp4

  48. David Robertson

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas sitting & wandering in his town http://t.co/mNxaylBJ
    The Conservatives.
    Today's Reason For Independence.
    #sp4

  49. Pete Prodge

    The Tories are going to punch all orphan babies in the face. Only then they can top…. http://t.co/p7XR0cCn

  50. Daniel Pitt

    #Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town http://t.co/cCOuKhU8 #racism #idiocracy

  51. Morag Rob

    How dare those pesky Nepalese dare to go out in the OPEN and sit on park BENCHES http://t.co/shNHEkHR

  52. Alastair Gordon

    Tory MP complains about Gurkhas "sitting on park benches". Makes #pastygate seem almost irrelevant. http://t.co/cBhemKkP

  53. Paul Sandars

    Tory MP complains about Gurkhas "sitting on park benches". Makes #pastygate seem almost irrelevant. http://t.co/cBhemKkP

  54. John O'Shea

    Tory MP complains about Gurkhas "sitting on park benches". Makes #pastygate seem almost irrelevant. http://t.co/cBhemKkP

  55. Mike Fraser

    Tory MP complains about Gurkhas "sitting on park benches". Makes #pastygate seem almost irrelevant. http://t.co/cBhemKkP

  56. Thomas Milman

    “@alastairgordon: Tory MP complains about Gurkhas "sitting on park benches". Makes #pastygate seem almost irrelevant. http://t.co/4awyXX20”

  57. John Turner

    Tory MP complains about Gurkhas "sitting on park benches". Makes #pastygate seem almost irrelevant. http://t.co/cBhemKkP

  58. Sutton Coldfield CLP

    Tory MP complains about his constituents (only the Gurkha ones) wandering around and sitting on park benches. http://t.co/a91uQL0l

  59. lilian travis

    RT @libcon: Tory MP complains of Gurkhas "sitting" and "wandering" in his town http://t.co/AiF8bbAE

  60. Peter Hague

    @danhannanmep If the left hates, its for the moral failings of the right. If the right hates, it looks like this http://t.co/CJuTvWfO

  61. Peter Hague

    Tory party needs a consistent message. Is it "We rise above your hate" http://t.co/z6KY51ox or "Fuck the Nepalese" http://t.co/CJuTvWfO ?

  62. Jack Allum

    @danhannanmep If the left hates, its for the moral failings of the right. If the right hates, it looks like this http://t.co/CJuTvWfO

  63. Jacqui Janes

    http://t.co/YOfGSYeB Gerald Howarth Tory MP… http://t.co/Y2EUcBRQ

  64. Elizabeth matthews

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/yYRbvO7Y

  65. Abi Cleminson

    @elliotJcornish I respect what they've done but they can't just come and take over a town http://t.co/qjK6389m and that twists his words

  66. Rebecca d'Ancona

    Tory MP complains of Gurkhas “sitting” and “wandering” in his town | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/UHE6Pxl9 via @libcon





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