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Queen To Be Asked to Reject NHS Bill


9:20 am - March 16th 2012

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The Queen is being petitioned by the NHS Consultants’ Association and other organisations, including the National Pensioners’ Convention, the NHS Support Federation, Keep Our NHS Public and Public Health for NHS, to withhold her Royal Assent to the controversial Health and Social Care Bill for England if it is passed by Parliament.

Opposition to the bill has grown stronger the more it has been examined.

An ever-lengthening list of professional organisations include:
the British Medical Association,
the Royal College of General Practitioners,
the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology,
the Faculty of Public Health,
the NHS Consultants’ Association,
the Royal College of Nursing,
the Royal College of Midwives,
the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health,
the British Geriatrics Society,
the Royal College of Radiologists,
the British Orthopaedics Association,
the Chartered Society of Physiotherapy,
and the Community Practitioners and Health Visitors Association

… have each called for the bill to be withdrawn but the government has remained obdurate.

The numerous amendments that have been made to the bill during its passage through the Commons and the House of Lords are seen by an increasing number of those who have studied them carefully as largely cosmetic rather than significant.

The petition to the Queen will point out:
· Before the last election, the Conservative party explicitly promised no top-down reorganisation of the NHS
· The Bill was not included in the Coalition agreement
· The Queen’s speech written by the coalition government for the State Opening of Parliament did not herald the core content of the NHS bill.

Dr. Peter Fisher, President of the NHS Consultants’ Association, said:

The public never voted for this reorganisation. Normal democratic processes have been flouted, and by withholding her Royal Assent the Queen would reflect the wishes of the majority of her subjects to save the National Health Service from which they have benefitted so much throughout the sixty years of her reign.

It would be a wonderful gift to her people in this her Diamond Jubilee year.

The full text of this private letter to the Queen is not being released as the signatories feel this would be discourteous to Her Majesty.

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1. Not an economist

I’m sorry, but that’s just mind-numbingly fucking stupid. She has never refused to give royal assent and she never will. Why? Because she bloody well knows she and her family will be stripped of whatever formal constitutional relevance they still have by the end of the following day.

Absolute nonsense to try and pull this stunt. I suppose if it’s an action by some front for Republic then it makes more sense.

It would be a wonderful gift to her people in this her Diamond Jubilee year.

Yes, what the Queen needs in her Jubilee year is a political crisis, where she can act unconstitutionally. Good work, idiots.

But then, I did see that this was Eoin Clarke’s idea, so par for the course in that respect.

4. Disgruntled Gnome

Hurrah! Bring back the Stuarts, prorogue Parliament, let’s have some proper Divine Right of Kings and get rid of this modern Constitutional Monarchy rubbish!

If the Queen had a vote, which Party do we think she’d vote for?

Old Labour
New Labour
Real Labour
Militant Labour
Limp Damps
None of the above

P.S. She no longer has a say in anything Her Government does.

The Queen won’t refuse Royal Assent she NEVER DOES. She just nods and smiles and does as she’s told by her ministers and collects millions each year in payments for doing nothing. Nice work if you can get it.

I don’t think getting the Queen to interfere in politics is a good idea. Besides, if anything she’s almost certainly a conservative.

And

“The public never voted for this reorganisation. Normal democratic processes have been flouted”
Is a bit naive. There are no ‘normal democratic processes,’ this is how our country works. The people decide who governs, but all governments do what they want once elected. Britain has never really been a democracy.

It’ll be pretty bloody depressing if this is the only way to get the government to pay attention. Aside from that, and assuming it actually works, I’m not convinced I like the precedent it sets; what happens when the Christian right decide to ask her not to give her assent to same-sex marriage?

Is this a deliberate attempt to make opponents of the NHS changes look like fools?

It is worth a try, point out to her,that in this her Jubilee year she will sign the death warrant of the nhs by giving the bill royal assent, do not mention the Russian royal family demise at this time.
Also local elections organize wipe the lib dem scum out, enjoy. v.

Is this a deliberate attempt to make opponents of the NHS changes look like fools?

We’re back to Conquest’s Third Law of Politics aren’t we?

“The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.”

There’s nothing wrong with trying this. It’s highly unlikely to work but why not give it a go? May as well.

13. Chaise Guevara

@ 12 Redshift

“There’s nothing wrong with trying this. It’s highly unlikely to work but why not give it a go? ”

Because it a) makes us look like we don’t know what we’re talking about and b) amounts to begging for a dictatorship?

So presumably this means that we can ignore any political utterance (and the NHS is a political matter) from these anti-democratic organisations?

Or do we actually trust organisations calling for unanswerable autocratic leadership to make arbitrary decisions?

Slight sarcasm aside, this is indicative of the mindset of these vested interests (trade bodies are always vested interests), that they believe their interests trump a democratic (and our parliament is democratic, but representative democracy, not direct democracy) decision. I’m pretty certain that that sort of thinking has led to a couple of civil wars over our history – and in an autocratic monarch versus parliament argument, how many of you want to end up as the cavaliers?

15. redvelvetshoes

Hmmm as usual quite a bit of trolling.
Two points
1 the consultants involved in this petition know full well it won’t work. But that’s not the point. And I’d hazard they’re brighter than most of the trollers out there.
2 Another question to the towering intellects banging on about “constitutional matters”—- since when has the “constitution”(which BTW doesn’t exist-on paper) ever stopped this Government from lying to the people, hiding their plans and therefore,acting in an “unconstitutional manner”?
So, dear trollers—- leave the constitution out of it—you can’t have it both ways.

16. Chaise Guevara

@ 15

I love how you assume that anyone who doesn’t like the idea of appealing to a powerless and unelected monarch to decide the country’s policy is a) a troll [look it up] and b) a big fan of the Tories.

17. redvelvetshoes

@ chaise Guevara
Au contraire
I was referring to the tone they use, and the lack of irony.
If you can quote,verbatim, where I said any of them were Tories etc feel free.
Oh- you can’t.
So don’t put words in people’s mouths. It doesn’t serve any argument well.

18. Chaise Guevara

@ 17 redvelvetshoes

“If you can quote,verbatim, where I said any of them were Tories etc feel free.
Oh- you can’t.”

Dun-dun duuun!

Sorry, but I don’t accept your conditions. How would anyone be “having it both ways” unless they supported the government?

”since when has the “constitution”(which BTW doesn’t exist-on paper)

OMG – the British constitution is unwritten??!! Who the hell knew? Well, that invalidates all my scepticism about the merits of appealing to the monarch to withhold assent from a Bill passed by Parliament.

Christ.

20. redvelvetshoes

@chaise Guevara.
Hmm quite the mind reader aren’t you.
Except that its clear I’m referring to people banging on about the*constitution*. Nothing else.
I couldn’t care what party the posters, or you, support. The inference you accuse me of with such eloquence exists only in your mind. Saying it loudly and often doesn’t make it fact.
So please carry on clutching straws, you might build a straw man to attack me with.
Except strawmen make bad soldiers.

Its a good publicity stunt, and it does put the screws on the government by focusing minds on it, but it won’t happen for all the reasons given. I doubt they actually ever expect her Majesty to do it, and it was drafted as a publicity gatherer. Now in terms of stopping the bill, a petition from serving health professionals saying they will not co-operate with changes, will not implement them, and will practice as if it had never come into force, would (as long as the carried through with it) really kill it stone dead. And this repugnant government too. That would be democracy in action. A government cannot rule without the consent of its people, and by complying with their increasingly insane directives, we are consenting.

As much as I hate this bill and most things the tories do I could never accept an unelected hereditary monarch overruling parliament. Democracy must rule even when its bad bills like this!

How is this a good publicity stunt? A bunch of unelected representatives of high-paid doctors asking the unelected Queen to overrule an elected parliament (after the unelected house had tried to stop the bill)? Especially since any response from the Queen will be carefully phrased to avoid supporting their position.

How difficult would a half-decent spinner find it to turn that round to showing why the bill was needed? redvelvetshoes might think the consultants involved in this are smart, but I am not sure – doctors might be more trusted than politicians, but if they are portrayed as playing politics, they stop being doctors themselves. Plus, note that many opponents of the actual bill posting here are horrified at this idea – it can work to actually split the opposition.

I would not really be surprised to find this was something dreamt up by Andrew Lansley (to be honest, it has about the same chance of success as most of his recent ideas…).

24. Not an economist

”since when has the “constitution”(which BTW doesn’t exist-on paper)”

BEEP BEEP BEEP – cretin alert.

Our constitution is partly written, partly unwritten. It’s spread between general parliamentary and legal principles on the one hand, and other, more concrete documents on the other, like the HRA and various crucial acts of Parliament. It very much exists and has bite.

Part of our current constitutional arrangement is that the state’s power formally stems from the monarch. In reality, this is a formality, and it would take a true moron to think that anything else is the case in the slightest. The constitutional principle here? Let the Queen refuse to grant royal assent if she tries. Just let her.

25. Chaise Guevara

@ 20 redvelvetshoes

I have no intention of straw manning you. With that in mind, please explain what you DID mean by point 2 in your original post, I see no other way of interpreting it than the way I already did.

It’s a publicity stunt – get over it.

There is a tweet going round which says:

David Colquhoun @david_colquhoun
RT @d_williams_: just received embargoed press release for march 20 saying:

“the health and social care bill has now received royal assent”

Do you know anything about this?

This is beyond retarded, but what do you expect from ‘Dr’ Eion Clarke?

He might as well be petitioning @Queen_UK…

29. Not an economist

“It’s a publicity stunt – get over it.”

It’s a publicity stunt which makes everyone involved – bar the Queen – look like a complete fucking moron. That happens to include you, since you’re giving coverage to this stupid, undermining bollocks.

30. Mr A James

” Queen To Be Asked to Reject NHS Bill ”

Yes she should because this bill concerns every single person and their health that lives in the United Kingdom. Our health is the most important thing to all of us, the Queen included.

In addition to this the Conservatives have fraudulantly sprung this bill upon the United Kingdom.

Before and during the 2010 election campaign David Cameron promised no root and branch changes with the National Health Service if he became prime-minister.

Also before and during that 2010 election campaign David Cameron also promised to financially ring fence and protect the National Health Service and only that.

With in weeks of David Cameron getting into Downing Street as prime-minister he sprung it upon this nation that he was now going to break up and privatise the National Health Service.

This is clear evidence that David Cameron and others always had a secret Agenda before and during the election campaign to break up and privatise the National Health Service. If David Cameron had of told the electorate that he and the Conservatives were going to break up and privatise the NHS during the election campaign he would never be in Downing Street today as prime-minister and he knows it.

Before and during the election campaign David Cameron told the entire nation a pack of outright despicable evil lies knowing that he was going to do the complete opposite to what he promised regarding the NHS. This is the behaviour of a common criminal, no if’s or buts.

All the expert advice from professionals that actually know the NHS and work within it points to evidence that these NHS Reforms are unqualified and very, very dangerous. The consquences to every single person in this country are enormous if the NHS Reforms go through and go wrong, as experts point out they will go wrong. Also when things go wrong they will be irreversible.

The Queen should consider the fact that David Cameron lied to the entire nation regarding the NHS before and during the election campaign.

The Queen should consider the fact that the NHS reforms affect every single person in this country.

The Queen should also consider the fact that when the NHS Reforms go wrong they may very well be irreversible and the consquences will be enormous.

The Queen should not grant Royal Assent on this bill because David Cameron has lied to every single person in this country and the consquences of when it goes wrong will also affect every single person in this country.

By not allowing the NHS bill to go through the Queen will be protecting every single person in this country. She will also b teaching David Cameron a lesson for telling outright lies to every single person in this country. This would also be justice for the people of this land.

31. Man on Clapham Omnibus

An excellent idea. And while we are about it, I think we should all pray to God.

32. Mr A James

This would be a fantastic way for the Queen to PROVE that she cares for the Bitish citizens above all else.

Queen Anne was the last reigning monarch to refuse to assent to an act of parliament in 1707.

I doubt that the Queen would welcome the idea that the year of her Jubilee will be remembered, instead, as the year the destruction of the NHS began.

“Abusive, sarcastic or silly comments may be deleted.”
That would mean most of them, then?! Most of em sound pro the Bill.
Why shouldn’t a monarch over-rule parliament? ….might have been a long time ago, but it can and has been done. What a fantastic speech she could give to back it up (see Mr A James’s comments below for starters….the whole thing was and is a farce). Go on HRH!….be brave!….

37. Chaise Guevara

@ 36 debra

“Most of em sound pro the Bill”

I think it’s more that most of them (us) are anti-totalitarianism, which is essentially what this lot are demanding: a system where an unelected figurehead can decide what parliament can and can’t do.


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