We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes


9:00 am - March 10th 2012

by Guest    


      Share on Tumblr

contribution by Andy May

I have a confession to make. I am still a member of the Liberal Democrats.

I’ve received plenty of abuse from many friends I convinced to vote. And I’ve agonised over the painful choices and compromises made in coalition with political party I have spent a decade campaigning against.

Up until now I have maintained that compromises made in this coalition have been necessary ones. What’s more they can claim to have secured some good wins as well as losses in the past twenty two months.

On that basis I have stood by them, until now.

Unlike other policies painstakingly negotiated with the Conservatives, the NHS bill is not in the coalition agreement. In fact when the bill first arrived, many Liberal Democrat parliamentarians did not understand it any more than the public.

Lib Dems like Evan Harris, former Lib Dems like Graham Winyard and others within the healthcare profession did – and have done a more than adequate job in describing their concerns with the bill.

John Pugh has even offered an alternative for the party. That this and the huge level of concern from medical establishment has been ignored is appalling.

This is why the party leadership is losing the confidence of those of us who have grudgingly stood by so far and accepted that deals need to be done – and that some good can come out of the coalition if we stick to our principles.

If the leadership of the Lib Dems really want us to ‘stop apologising’ and ‘move on’ they had better show that they respect one of the fundamental principles of the party – internal democracy. So far they have done their best to manipulate it. Nick Clegg should stop presenting this bill that the majority of members oppose as a fait accompli and respect the membership vote.

They must step back from the precipice and heed the views of their members, a large majority of whom oppose it, and even with interference will likely vote for it to be scrapped in Newcastle this
weekend.

We’ll stop apologising – and start fighting on our record, once we have a record to be proud of. Drop the bill and give us something to be proud of.


Andy May was National Manager of the Regional Staff for the Yes2AV Campaign and formerly National Organiser of Take Back Parliament.

    Share on Tumblr   submit to reddit  


About the author
This is a guest post.
· Other posts by


Story Filed Under: Blog ,Health ,Libdems ,Westminster

Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.


Reader comments


Is there anything in the bill that the Orange bookers are actually ideologically opposed to?

2. ex-Labour voter

I think that the Liberal Democrats should not have joined a coalition.
They could have achieved far more by staying out. They have been co-opted and given cover to the Conservatives. Their role has thus been similar to some of the people in the Labour Party who gave cover to Blair and Brown in the last Labour government.

ID cards have been abandoned but that did not require a coalition.
They have actually managed to win absolutely nothing on Trident because billions of pounds of expenditure have been committed ahead of the formal ‘Main Gate’ vote.

On the NHS bill, they say they have amended it. However, if they had opposed it, they could have stoppped it altogether.

The Conservatives were deeply disappointed by their failure to win in 2010. Yes, there was a danger of another election in which the Conservatives might have won an overall majority. However, such a danger was not certain. And, besides, even that outcome might have been preferable to what we have now.

Being a member of the lib dems and not wanting to destroy the NHS (i.e. replace it with a US-style system) is like being a member of the BNP and not being racist. The kind of position you might find yourself in if you were either deeply politically stupid, or just not paying attention to the details of what the party was about, why it existed, what made it different from the alternatives.

If you don’t believe a regulated-for-competion marketplace of profit-seeking corporations will produce a better result than a national-level tax-funded institution, what are you doing in a party that is founded on that premise?

Do they give out particularly tasty free doughnuts or something?

Andy, this is what the Lib Dems campaigned for at the last election, so what is the problem? At the last election, there was a clear choice between those of us who believed that the deficit was the result of a Government attempting to revive an economy damaged by bankers and greed and those who believe that spending on the unemployed, disabled and the NHS has caused the deficit.

Andy, your Party aligned itself with the owners of Capital and their lackeys in politics and the press, against the working people of this Country, fair enough, so why the crocodile tears now?

Before the last election, your spokespeople where peddling the line that Labour’s overspending was responsible for the deficit and that scroungers were bleeding the Country dry. Even now, when the deficit is discussed, the Lib Dem on any panel walk talk about ‘Labour’s overspending’ and ‘Labour’s mess’ etc and expect wild applause in return as well as the nodding approval of the Tory and hate mongering columnists. The results from the last election shows that this campaign has borne fruit and you are in government (albeit in coalition) for the first time in a couple of generations, so what did you think was going to happen?

You spent two years yelling with the Tories and the Daily Mail ‘Dirty scrounging Spaz’ and now you cannot bear to follow up with the actions? Being part of the playground bully’s gang has lost its shine, when you see what ‘cutting Labour’s waste’ actually entails?

The political landscape in this Country is hardening, compassion and humanity has been eased out of the picture and replaced with cynicism, greed and a climate of persecution.

Andy, the Lib Dems actively sought out to exploit that persecution and that culture of division. You were happy to ride the dragon’s back when Labour was being kicked up and down the place for spending on the weak and vulnerable. You were quite happy so join in when the Daily Mail were seeking out examples NHS spending not reaching patients. You were quite happy to see disabled people have their dignity stripped from them in the run up to the last election. You hitched your wagon on to the climate of hate that was brewing and your active campaigns against these people has helped to generate a climate where such hatred is not only acceaptable but expected.

Politics, along with the rest of the Country has polarised between those of us who put people first and those of us that put the needs of big business at the top of the agenda. Your Party and a fair number of its supporters joined the latter camp and if that is what you believe, fair enough, but don’t get squeamish when the harsh brutal reality smacks you in the face.

The next generation will be faced with a hard binary choice between humanity and the faceless corporations who run the planet and we will all be forced to pick a side.

The Lib Dems and the Labour Party to a lesser extent think you can comfortably have a foot in both camps, however, the decent people in the Lib Dems are finding out hat the faceless corporation expect nothing less than total loyalty.

You will be expected to sacrifice the NHS on the corporate altar, not because it is strictly necessary, but because it will show to your masters that you are willing to throw away anything to cling onto your futile grasp of power.

Then again, you handed the disabled in far too easily, so garrotting the NHS in front of a baying mob of Tories will not take too much conscience, will it?

@3. soru: “Being a member of the lib dems and not wanting to destroy the NHS (i.e. replace it with a US-style system) is like being a member of the BNP and not being racist.”

Let’s take the statement “replace it with a US-style system”. That statement cannot be applied to Lib Dem policy. Nor can it be applied to Lansley’s Bill. Whatever decisions are taken by parliament, health care will be free at the point of delivery in the NHS.

So there isn’t much to argue against with soru given that the basic premise is factually wrong. Arguments against Lansley’s Bill are that it is too much change at the wrong time, that it is undemocratic/disempowering or that the numbers don’t add up. Claims that it removes the foundations of the NHS are false and do not assist in creating sensible health policy.

6. Shatterface

Being a member of the lib dems and not wanting to destroy the NHS (i.e. replace it with a US-style system) is like being a member of the BNP and not being racist.

No, because racism is the BNP’s reason for existence.

A more accurate analogy would be remaining in the Labour Party while opposing ‘extraordinary rendition’.

7. Just Visiting

IMHO the level of debate on the NHS here can be rather emotional.

The word ‘privatise’ seems an emotional dog whistle.

My wife is German, and I’ve personal experience of German health care.
And they don’t do too badly in health care outcomes across Europe.

This is how it works there – all the hospitals are private, in that they are not run by the central state, but, like UK hospitals pre-1948, they belong to a range of groups:
* non-profit charities
* churches
* local town authorities

The hospitals have to compete with one another to win work – so there is a healthy competition and awareness among them, of what is good practise, good value for money.

Everybody pays health insurance from their salary – either to the state run AOK; or in some cases, big companies run their own insurance schemes.

If you don’t work, AOK picks you up – so it;s not like the US system where people are left out.

Health is still essentially free at the point of use: in that the insurance companies pay.

I find it hard to criticise that system on principle.

And therefore the emotion round the ‘privatise’ word, escapes me.

It would have been so much better if you had let the tories form a minority govt and let them reveal their agenda policy by policy, and then agree to support each policy on its own rather than as a joint govt.

Clegg has made the wrong choice on every major decision. He is either an idiot, or a closet tory. Either way you have been had. But Clegg will be well rewarded by big business just like Blair. Your party may not enjoy such a wealthy future.

@ Jim

“The political landscape in this Country is hardening, compassion and humanity has been eased out of the picture and replaced with cynicism, greed and a climate of persecution. ”

This should please a good Marxist like you. Surely we are witnessing the birth pangs of the glorious socialist future.

10. Charlieman

@7. Just Visiting: “IMHO the level of debate on the NHS here can be rather emotional.”

Shhh, you’ll wake the children.

You present a good alternative to the NHS health mechanism. The sad thing is that “health care supporters” do not want to know about alternatives. According to them, the NHS model is good enough for now and anyone who seeks change is anti-NHS. Consequently, the only people who make suggestions are right wing headbangers. Consequently the Lansley Bill receives 1,000 amendments to make it more sensible (this says a lot about Lansley and the failure of Cabinet government to come up with reasonable proposals in the first place).

Was the Welfare Cuts Bill in the coalition agreement or did the Lib Dems think it funny to f**k over disabled people by removing the benefits and allowances they rely on?

12. Mr A James

Nick Clegg will be wearing a Conservative Party Rosette at the Liberal Democrat’s conference !

Nick Clegg and David Cameron are very much alike and totally compatible together.

What you will find is that Nick Clegg and David Cameron are playing a very clever deceitful game together which has left the back door open for Cameron and Company to succeed in breaking up and privatizing the NHS at a later date.

The Liberal Democrats are about to be Hood Winked yet again at this conference, you will see, it’s a matter of time before the full reality of what Nick Clegg has secretly arranged/conspired with regards to the NHS. These people are clever, so clever it makes me want to vomit because they will get what they want in the end.

I have heard plenty of comments about the NHS reforms not being about privatisation and it will create competition etc etc. The reforms are being sold as if you will be able to go to a GP, and when he decides to refer you somewhere, he will have the choice of many competing providers, and will therefore be able to choose the best to send you to.

This is not the reality. Providers will bid for the contract to provide the service to a GP consortium – but my understanding is that it is not the GP’s who will decide who gets the contract, but a separate group – undoubtedly deciding on cost alone and not necessarily quality. This contract will then run for a period of time – say 3 years, for instance.

By the time the patient gets to the GP, there will be no choice over which provider to be sent to. And although there isn’t much choice now, at least the NHS providers are not dependant on making profits, whereas private companies bidding for contracts will be. This will undoubtedly lead to failures – providers who cannot fulfill their contract to even an adequate standard for the price quoted, and near failures – providers who can just about provide a barely ‘adequate’ service for the price quoted.

The Tories trotting out the standards of current private care in this country as examples of what can be expected is seriously deluded. In order to get people to pay for private healthcare in the UK, a service superior to that offered by the NHS has to be provided. When there is a captive customer base, there is no incentive to provide a superior service – especially where profits have to be considered, and I suspect many services will turn out to be inferior, especially when we have no idea of how the providers who win contracts will be assessed, or when a contract would be taken away – how bad do they have to be to be deemed to be failing. Can a contract even be removed from a failing provider? And if so how would those services be provided to patients without that contract in place? Once a contract is awarded, competing providers are going to have great difficulty staying open. Or are multiple providers in each area to be commissioned?

It sounds like an almighty horror show to me.

I voted libdem – I won’t make that mistake again.

@ Cylux

“Is there anything in the bill that the Orange bookers are actually ideologically opposed to?”

Yes, they’re opposed to the retention of a National Health Service (in some form) and favour its abolition and replacement with a National Health Insurance Scheme. Thank goodness the Tories are there to rein in the right-wingers, eh?

As Andy points out, the Health Bill was not in the coalition agreement nor was it in the Conservative Party manifesto. So the correct response of the LibDems when it appeared would have been to refuse to support it. Claiming all those amendments to the Bill as a success is wrong because
– there was another option – refusing to support it
– the amendments have turned a simple Bill (with many dangerous feautures) with a very complex Bill (with probably just as many dangerous features)

Tim Farron wrote in the Guardian that the Bill would have passed unamended if the LibDems had not amended it. He does not explain where Cameron would have got the votes to get it passed if the LibDems had voted against it.

The news from the LibDem conference is that they have voted not to vote on the NHS bill – which will doubtless avoid lots of potentially embarrassing problems.

I see that once again the Liberal Democrats have capitulated, given in and given the Tories exactly what they wanted, the nations NHS on a plate, all wrapped up and tied with a blue bow until rip for privatisation.

Shame on you Liberal Democrats – During the 2010 general election campaign my daughter, her husband and in-laws receive leaflets from the Liberal Democrat party asking for them to consider loaning their vote to them if they wanted to help keep the Tories out, they all thought about about and decided to vote Lib Dem, just so you know exactly where you are now, this is something they will definitely not be doing again. I imagine that this and the anti-government of the day protest votes, and the tactical voters etc will never ever consider voting for that party again. You are in fr an absolutely hammering at the next election – I can’t wait.

In order to get people to pay for private healthcare in the UK, a service superior to that offered by the NHS has to be provided.

Yes, exactly. And what is the cheapest way to do that? Pay the wages of the people planning the reorganization of the NHS, so that the level of care it provides drops below that you plan to offer.

Destroy, then replace. And given it would be strange to have two state-run health systems simultaneously, the second health system will inevitably be entirely private and individually-paid, like the US or Ireland as opposed to France or Germany. If you are, and plan to remain, a Lib Dem voter, that is what you are voting for. In fact, you always have been; more fool you if you failed to realize it.

No, because racism is the BNP’s reason for existence.

On the contrary, belief in the superiority of well-regulated free markets to NHS-style state institutions is, historically, the main reason for both the original 1920s split between the Labour and Liberal movements, and the 1980s spin off of the SDP from Labour. This is not something that’s a consequence of getting into office and having the experts tell you in a private briefing how they think things should be, and failing to disagree. it’s exactly the opposite; the deeply-held principles that are _not_ compromised despite the professional advice.

‘The news from the LibDem conference is that they have voted not to vote on the NHS bill ‘

Haha, if it wasnt for the dire consequences for so many vulnerable innocent people it would be hilarious, in the words of the great but unfortunately not late Richard Littlejohn ‘you couldnt make it up’.

down (3,3) abject cowards, quislings

20. paul barker

Joe, you could make it up & the media did. There were 2 motions on the nhs bill in the emergency motions slot, only 1 could win & it wasnt the one the media wanted. The nhs bill will be debated tomorrow morning.

21. paul barker

test

22. Churm Rincewind

@ Jehane: With respect, your description of the proposed reforms to the NHS is pretty much 100% inaccurate. The actual proposals can easily be found in a useful series of factsheets published by The Department of Health – try googling Health and Social Care Bill Explained”.

I’ll limit myself here to making three simple points. First, all the surveys indicate that the public does want choice in healthcare. Second, all independent academic research concludes that the competition within the NHS introduced by the last Government has improved patient outcomes. Third, we should never forget that GP practices are private businesses, so most people’s day to day contact with the NHS is already in the hands of private sector organisations, and has been since its foundation.

Havind said that, I don’t support the bill myself because I’m unconvinced that the proposed structures, costs, and upheavals are justified by the benefits.

But, as other posters have commented, it would be good to debate the issues on the basis of evidence rather than emotion.

If the ‘reforms’ are a success (unlikely, we are already seeing ‘Priority Panels’ refusing medical treatment for conditions that were previously routinely treated) then the Lib Dems will want to claim ‘it was them that won it’.
Worse scenario, we will find that it wasn’t them ‘it was a big boy wot dun it and he run away’.
Either way it needs to be firmly nailed to their foreheads.
Should the nailing result in the fatal demise of the patient – then no great loss – it should be a standard NHS treatment for self serving parasites.

What I’m waiting for is for at least some Lib Dems to stand by what they actually believe. I’ve have been witness to speeches by Vince and Simon since your catastrophic capitulation and they have since proved to have lied again and again.

Have you really all become super complaint Nick Clegg (Laws, Alexander, Cable et. al.) clones or do you actually really think believe in anything real? If your beliefs are a strictly market led economy then say so. I think those of you who believe in this ideological mantra have been utterly cowardly in trying to align themselves to something else.

I think you all have shamefully misrepresented yourselves to the public; saying one thing, no pledging one thing, and then doing the exact opposite. This is way beyond failing on manifesto promises, you “pledged” to be something different and your actions betray you as 2nd class Tories.

You shameful bunch (with the entirely honorable exception of Evan Harris)

25. the a&e charge nurse

[23] “What I’m waiting for is for at least some Lib Dems to stand by what they actually believe” – nobody knows what these principles are jon, least of all the liberals themselves.

Admittedly their meddling may have made the bill less bad – but any minor concession gained today can easily be brushed aside tomorrow once the needs of the shareholder become the central driving force behind our health care system.

What a quaint notion – relying on liberal party ‘principles’.
Pollock gives them a spanking here
http://www.allysonpollock.co.uk/administrator/components/com_article/attach/2012-03-09/Pollock_HouseOfLords_HSCB_StatementLibDem40Pts_09Mar12.pdf

Dear Lib Dem members, I note that you have decided that the bill will go through, and as some of the papers say, Clegg is triumphant. I notice that you are going to make sure the electorate know what a difference you have made. And you have. You have given away the NHS to private companies who want profits.You have said that disabled people who have more than 6 months to live can go on unlimited and unpaid work placement at places like Tesco, in between chemotherapy, and you have raised tuition fees to the highest in the world. Well done to you. An excellent doorstep message.

The sheer enormity of the evil Clegg has already enabled the Conservatives to get away with means that was he to adopt the Yakuza act of contrition he already wouldn’t have enough fingers left to make a mildly offensive gesture. The only apology suitable for supporting this bill would be for Clegg to whip out a wakizashi and commit seppuku on stage at this miserable fan club meeting.

Nobody wanted this bill. Nobody voted for it: it wasn’t in the manifesto. The myth started with the NHS that ‘it couldn’t go as it was.’ Why?

‘The myth started with the NHS that ‘it couldn’t go as it was.’

It wasnt generating vast quantities of unearned income for lazy, inbred, feudalism-fetishist sociopaths, and therefore like everything else that falls into that category, it must be eliminated and replaced with something that does.

30. Just Visiting

Joe 28

Oh come, that’s just an emotion gush too !

There is the fact that the NHS budget has been rising by more than inflation each year for many years – and faster than average salaries.

One day, it will reach 100% of the tax take and at that point a discussion will have to follow on how to change it.

Instead of waiting for that calamity – why is it wrong to discuss other ways to run it in now?

If not this year – at what point between now and that inevitable future calamity do you suggest it should be discussed.

Readers may like to know of this link to the text of the editorial in the British Medical Journal on 22 January 2011:

NHS reform: too soon to let GP consortia out of the lab
http://www.hospitaldr.co.uk/features/nhs-reform-too-soon-to-let-it-out-of-the-lab

“What do you call a government that embarks on the biggest upheaval of the NHS in its 63 year history, at breakneck speed, while simultaneously trying to make unprecedented financial savings? The politically correct answer has got to be: mad. . . “

32. the a&e charge nurse

[29] “There is the fact that the NHS budget has been rising by more than inflation each year for many years – and faster than average salaries” – it’s true spending has gone up, but can you name a single developed country where expenditure on health has gone down – and if you can’t what is the point you are trying to make (other than health care costs more than most people would like to pay for it).

Looking at per capita cost (of health care) you can see NHS spending is very respectable compared to much of Europe, and certainly compared to Germany.
It goes without saying that expenditure in the USA remains virtually off the scale.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person

The first question reformers must address is the quality of evidence for other health system (with comparable demographics) that provide better clinical outcomes, and at a lower cost – since you seem to be pro-reform perhaps you can tell us which country is operating such a system ?

Don’t forget the Germans are spending a third more than the NHS.

Just Visiting – it is one of the most cost effective health systems in the western world as a matter of statistical record.

This is not about cutting costs – like PFI, rail privatisation utility privatisation and so on, it will end up costing us more for a worse service in order to make some subhuman sociopaths’ offshore accounts bulge that little bit more.

Data for per capita spending on health care is open to quibbles about the exchange rates used to make currency conversions. Arguably, a better metric is expenditure on health care as a percentage of national GDP. The chart shown here shows figures for OECD countries (Britain = GBR) – click on the chart at bottom right for an enlarged image:

OECD Factbook 2011-2012: Economic, Environmental and Social Statistics
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/factbook-2011-en/12/03/03/index.html;jsessionid=ak55652rb7n2l.delta?contentType=/ns/StatisticalPublication,/ns/Chapter&itemId=/content/chapter/factbook-2011-112-en&containerItemId=/content/book/factbook-2011-en&accessItemIds=&mimeType=text/html

America is an outlier with spending on healthcare as a percentage of national GDP at about twice that of Britain. Curiously, other data show average life expectancy at birth for America is slightly lower than for Britain despite the high national spending on health care. It’s a regulaly propagated myth that expenditure on health care in Britain is inordinately high compared with that in peer group countries.

The distinctive feature of Britain’s NHS is that the government operates a social insurance scheme to cover personal health care costs and the government also manages what amounts almost to a national monopoly for the provision of health care services. Peer group countries in western Europe also manage social insurance schemes for personal health care costs but provision of health care services is by competing, independent providers. Consumers of health care have a wider choice.

Americans don’t get a good deal for their high expenditure on health care and – by American figures – about 46 million have no insurance cover for health care costs, which are reportedly the largest single annual cause of personal bankruptcy.

35. Just Visiting

A & E

> Don’t forget the Germans are spending a third more than the NHS.

I’m not up with the latest statistics – is the difference today that size?
Do they get better outcomes commensurate with the difference?

But yes, It’s interesting how quite small differences in frameworks, have big effects.

One reason for the German over-spend – is that GPs there are not on a flat salary like UK ones – but on piece-work. They get paid for each thing they do, per individual patient. Like say car mechanics.

Hence they are financially motivated, on average across the board, to over-intervene: you go in with a cough, and where in the UK listening to your lungs would be enough, in Germany they offer blood tests /breath tests/ x-rays, various extra stuff.

Over the years, the GPs have offered more and more extra stuff, and complain that the amount they get per extra has not risen enough ! That they have to work harder to stay still financially.

Classic, predictable problem when the incentives are piece work with only the GP deciding which piece works they will do !

I guess back in 1948, when it was famously difficult to get the GPs to take part in the NHS and the government had to throw money at them (‘stuff their mouths with money’) – someone had the plan to move them to a fixed salary model, away from what they were used to before: private practise and hence piece work.

Full credit to whoever it was in 1948 that got them off piece work !

36. Just Visiting

Another German difference – is that their average GP practice is much smaller – many more one-person practices than we have: which is also inefficient in terms of admin-resources overhead (computer system, receptionists etc).

But right now, German doctors earn less than UK ones – thanks to the large salary rises they got under Labour – so there are numbers coming here to work.


Reactions: Twitter, blogs
  1. Liz Kendall MP

    “@libcon: We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/lmc7AgYR” < indeed…..

  2. Bosworth Rose

    “@libcon: We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/lmc7AgYR” < indeed…..

  3. Mark Ward

    "We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes" http://t.co/LkFODL94 – says @AndyMay101

  4. Andy Reed

    “@libcon: We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/lmc7AgYR” < indeed…..

  5. Emma Burnell

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/EDaqVMQc

  6. David Pope

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  7. Kyron Hodgetts

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  8. Chris Hanrahan

    “@libcon: We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/lmc7AgYR” < indeed…..

  9. Dr Theresa Eynon

    “@libcon: We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/lmc7AgYR” < indeed…..

  10. Jamie

    A blooming good read: 'We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes' by Andy May ~ http://t.co/rmalBQsQ via @libcon

  11. What does the NHS mean to me? | Edinburgh Eye

    […] She then promptly ignored everything I just said and started asking Emily about her address and insurance information. Read more: 5 Unhelpful People You Meet in Every US Hospital Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post. […]

  12. fljf

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  13. Vivienne Ward

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  14. Virginia Moffatt

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  15. David W Edwards

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  16. Ed Kelly

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  17. elizabeth bradley

    Make or break time for Clegg. #NHS Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/SSqqN5Hj via @libcon

  18. Andy May

    "We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes" http://t.co/LkFODL94 – says @AndyMay101

  19. Rosena McKeown

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  20. Raymondillo

    A realistic view of the political situation for the LibDems http://t.co/x9GhYIf0 from @libcon. < Definitely worth a look.

  21. Alan Marshall

    RT @davepope1 We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/yxPWVZKK via @libcon !

  22. Paul Trembath

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  23. Tristram Wyatt

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/EDaqVMQc

  24. Cllr Trevor Snaith

    RT @davepope1 We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/yxPWVZKK via @libcon !

  25. Gus Hoyt

    @AndyMay101 says "no!" to Clegg. "We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes" http://t.co/zrr4NuXD

  26. Michael Turner

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  27. Peter Herbert

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/EDaqVMQc

  28. BevR

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/v4XKp0ju #wrb #spartacusreport #nhs #democracy #boycottworkfare

  29. BevR

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  30. Helen Copeland

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  31. Luke Massey

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  32. Chyten Peggy

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/HzmGHUt3 via @libcon

  33. Kevin Donovan

    "We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes" http://t.co/LkFODL94 – says @AndyMay101

  34. K Carington Smith

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  35. Christine Hill

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dCSh5Ckb via @libcon-worth reading!

  36. BevR

    "We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes" http://t.co/LkFODL94 – says @AndyMay101

  37. Karl Smyth

    Some sage words from @AndyMay101 at LibCon on the role of the Lib Dems in propping up the #NHS Bill http://t.co/ObqbgX90 #savethenhs

  38. Kelvin Kent

    A realistic view of the political situation for the LibDems http://t.co/x9GhYIf0 from @libcon. < Definitely worth a look.

  39. Andy May

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/VwLOllxu

  40. Kieron Daniels

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/EDaqVMQc

  41. Staffordshire UNISON

    "We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes" http://t.co/LkFODL94 – says @AndyMay101

  42. Natacha Kennedy

    A Lib Dem admits the #NHS Bill is a trainwreck for the party http://t.co/Oj36a9Op Worse than fees even…

  43. Collin Whittaker

    A Lib Dem admits the #NHS Bill is a trainwreck for the party http://t.co/Oj36a9Op Worse than fees even…

  44. Absolut Queer

    A Lib Dem admits the #NHS Bill is a trainwreck for the party http://t.co/Oj36a9Op Worse than fees even…

  45. Collin Whittaker

    “@natachakennedy: A Lib Dem admits the #NHS Bill is a trainwreck for the party http://t.co/Ri3rhEHO Worse than fees even…”Power corrupts!

  46. JeanneLouiseB

    #UK : We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/AXYSRv61

  47. NORBET

    RT @libcon: We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes http://t.co/Op9ezbLn

  48. Anne Corris

    http://t.co/EOiqYKAS This is how and many now feel I think #Nhs #WRB #LibDems

  49. Kathy Stephen

    http://t.co/EOiqYKAS This is how and many now feel I think #Nhs #WRB #LibDems

  50. KEL Stephen

    http://t.co/EOiqYKAS This is how and many now feel I think #Nhs #WRB #LibDems

  51. David Davies

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes ~ http://t.co/BVMmcDH0

  52. Legal Aware

    Is it time for the LibDems to 'move on' past the Bill? ( a view from @libcon ) http://t.co/x9GhYIf0

  53. Napier Bones

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes ~ http://t.co/BVMmcDH0

  54. SJ

    Is it time for the LibDems to 'move on' past the Bill? ( a view from @libcon ) http://t.co/x9GhYIf0

  55. Paul Bernal

    Is it time for the LibDems to 'move on' past the Bill? ( a view from @libcon ) http://t.co/x9GhYIf0

  56. Edd S.

    RT @NapierBones: RT @acute_tomato: We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes ~ http://t.co/NtJa18iD

  57. The one and only...

    We Libdems will need more than an apology if the NHS bill passes | Liberal Conspiracy – http://t.co/zgSbTD7x

  58. Dear LibDems, climb out of the window now | Edinburgh Eye

    […] NHS reforms were not mentioned in the Tory manifesto nor in the Tory/LibDem coalition agreement. It was open to Nick Clegg to say that the Lib Dems would not support the NHS Bill: it is always […]





Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.