Just makes a mockery of that tory tart Mench on Newsnight claiming to be a feminist.

We know the tories hate woman and choice, but we can once again thank the hopeless, goofy morons that are the Lie Dems for propping this govt up.

Next up, the tory Right wing will be demanding the Vaginal probes that they have now legislated in Texas for woman wanting an abortion.

The perpetually thirsty Paul Staines and his tame gofer Henry Cole have taken Nadine Dorries’ Tweet on Diane Abbott’s attendance as data. Hilariously, the less than dynamic duo failed to copy it correctly:

http://zelo.tv/At7N5g

You really couldn’t make it up.

Not taking sides on this, but just watched Dories wipe the floor with Abbott on Newsnight.

“You slept through the first meeting, didn’t attend the second and were late for the third. Then you resigned.”

Diane didn’t deny it.

Epic fail.

Yes she did. Which proves you are a lying piece of shit……..But we knew that already.

” No I did not sleep through it.” No doubt you were too busy jerking off to that tory monster.

Diane Abbott and Nadine Dorries in a credibility standoff. Anyone care to set the odds?

@ Cherub – I’ll take Walter Mitty Vs Baron Munchausen as an easier question please.

@ 3 pagar

“Not taking sides on this, but just watched Dories wipe the floor with Abbott on Newsnight.”

I didn’t know ad-hom attacks qualified as “wiping the floor” with your opponent.

@ Chaise

Hey don’t shoot the messenger !!!

I have no time for Dories politics and am pro choice but Abbott was shamefaced throughout and her half hearted lie about not falling asleep was utterly unconvincing. She was absolutely demolished.

@ Sally

My sexual preferences are my own business though I will admit to finding Ms Abbott less of a babe since she got her hair straightened.

@ 8

her half hearted lie about not falling asleep was utterly unconvincing.

I missed Newsnight, but I gather the line today is that she was “resting her eyes”. She didn’t actually use that one on-air, did she?

@ Pagar

Fair enough, I didn’t see it myself. All I’m saying is that putting the boot in against another politician on personal grounds is not the same thing as winning the argument. Even if the person deserves it.

Also, the whole thing has an I’m-telling-on-you feel that I don’t think is particularly supportive of cross-party panels.

@ Chaise

Watch at 14 minutes in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01b679j/Newsnight_26_01_2012/

Isn’t this all about who can best provide impartial and fully informative abortion counselling?

@ 12

“Isn’t this all about who can best provide impartial and fully informative abortion counselling?”

Apparently not, no.

@ 11 Pagar

Ok, yeah. Dorries came out of that looking a lot better than Abbott. Abbott made at least one good point, saying that Dorries was trying to personalise the issue. And the interviewer seemed strongly on Dorries’s side from the start – I hope you’d agree that I don’t automatically say something like that when the person I support loses, but she introduced Abbott with a hostile question, introduced Dorries with a friendly question, and appeared to take Dorries’s word for it when they disagreed about Abbott’s conduct at the meeting.

Even taking that into account, Abbott came off like a bit of an idiot. Which, judging by the fact that she recently decided to make racist comments in the public domain, is probably true!

@ Chaise

A fair summary.

The conclusion is that they are both self serving idiots.

Not unusual for politicians, you’ll agree…..

We had a GP in our neighbourhood in the 70s who used to throw the bible at any woman seeking an abortion. They were routinely humiliated in the waiting room, then told they were ‘murdering a baby’. They were then, horiffically, deliberately kept waiting over the 28 week limit, then casually told by this school marm, arms folded, that ‘they’d have to have the baby now’. She was reported to the GMC only after 4 women heard how others were treated at an inquest into a suicide by a young girl who she’d given the same treatment. She should be sued for the cost of their upkeep.
Nadine Dorries is a woman who has had an abortion that she regrets – she isnt a woman who’s been raped, or a women with 4 children to feed and one on the way courtesy of a failed contraceptive device. I always thought men were patronising in their assumption that women couldn’t make up their own minds – Dorries is even more patronising – she cannot accept that to millions of us, it is a procedure that is about as relevant as a douche.

Sitting on a committee chaired by someone as bitchy as Nadine Dorries is a waste of anyone’s intellectual ability. Women dont need any more counselling than they already get – make up your own minds by attending a Marie Stopes session,and see how genuinely UNBIASED they are! Dorries wants to ‘save the unborn’ – the way she behaved on Newsnight, (constant interruptions, talking over Diane Abbott) shows she is unsuitable to chair a meeting, the findings of which will affect the lives of hundreds of thousands of women each year. And I agree – you get marvellous counselling from Marie Stopes – this committee is a waste of the taxpayer’s money, and a dangerous and retrograde step for women’s rights. The ‘unborn’ do not have any as far as I’m concerned. End of.

I’ve had 3 d & c’s to stop a few pluripotent cells (rather like a tumour) implanting into my uterus and growing into a child I’ll have to look after for 18 years – all I wanted was sex, not an 18 year burden – love sex, love my children – never regretted any of them – I have 2 children I wanted, when I wanted them – stuff Dorries – and shout every time these stupid tory girlies try to make out they are representing the views of ‘women’ -

Pleeeease Cameron, get rid of this stupid girl Dorries – how schizoid is it for her to reduce the number of abortions,at the same time your other ‘career catholic’ IDS is banging on about the cost of paying for single parents???? I’ve had 2 abortions removed wth a dettol rinse before they grew, and 1 child I wanted -I’ve had sex I dont know how many times, and still posess several thousand ova – each time I have sex, I get a few million sperm injected into me – does she think fertilisation is anything more than a chemical reaction? I dont’ – why is she allowed to express views on my behalf? I didnt and would never have voted for her – I live in the real world, she seems to either be a virgin, or be deluded enough to believe contraceptives don’t fail.
Listening to her on Newsnight this evening, was like listening to a 4th former – no wonder Abbott resigned -

@ 15 pagar

“The conclusion is that they are both self serving idiots.

Not unusual for politicians, you’ll agree…..”

I’ll certainly agree in the case of Dorries and Abbott. Both of them come off as stupid individuals more interesting in point-scoring than a rational conversation. Dorries beats Abbott in terms of obsession with point-scoring, but Abbott exceeds Dorries in the art of stupidity.

Bad show all round, really. Still, Abbott’s on the right side of the argument, if only through grace of party loyalty and/or sheer luck.

@ 18 Alice

“and shout every time these stupid tory girlies try to make out they are representing the views of ‘women’”

To be honest, it’s annoying whenever someone pretends to speak for their entire demographic, because they’re always lying. Take the Taxpayer’s Alliance, for example: I’m a taxpayer, and I disagree with pretty much everything they say. So much for that.

18. Alice

I’ve had 3 d & c’s to stop a few pluripotent cells (rather like a tumour) implanting into my uterus and growing into a child I’ll have to look after for 18 years

I have always had a fascination for comments that I think George Orwell would have liked in the sense they force each side into strengthening their position. You see this quite often on LC – someone says something that people who support the issue at hand see as strengthening their case, but at the same time people who oppose the issue see as strengthening their case.

Here, for instance, I would have thought that anyone who compared a foetus to cancer and objected to the burden of raising their own child would be doing the anti-abortion campaign no end of good. But I suspect that the pro-abortion camp thinks this is entirely reasonable, sensible and justified. So perhaps that says more about me than anything else.

It is an interesting phenomenon. I wonder what causes it. Are we truly incommensurate in that we no longer speak the same moral and political language? Could be moving that way.

I would care more if I didn’t think the comment was a troll – it is odd that someone with the same user name and the same disjointed linguistic skills can’t make up her mind how many children and abortions she has had. Loved the reference to dettol by the way. Classy as trolling goes.

it is odd that someone with the same user name and the same disjointed linguistic skills can’t make up her mind how many children and abortions she has had.

Suspect Alice has fallen foul of Sunny’s glitch where the comment you have just typed appears to disappear into the ether only to magically return after a few minutes.

However it confirms my view of so many of these personal anecdote type comments- that they are posted by liars.

@21 – The TPA support their backers. Who are they? Well, that’s a great question isn’t it. I’d bet the vast majority work in the City…

Now here’s an entertaining link: http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html

Apparently being a moron makes you also inclined to being a conservative. But I repeat myself.

@ Cylux

Hardly surprising, seeing as it’s a lot easier to cling onto your prejudices if you’re not capable of thinking about them properly.

@ 24 Leon

Exactly. Who they represent is not who they claim to represent.

Chaise @ 26:

“it’s a lot easier to cling onto your prejudices if you’re not capable of thinking about them properly.”

To an extent, although being intelligent can also make it easier, as you’re better-able to rationalise and/or explain away your prejudices than a less intelligent person.

@ 28 XXX

True.

25. Cylux

Now here’s an entertaining link: http://news.yahoo.com/low-iq-conservative-beliefs-linked-prejudice-180403506.html

Apparently being a moron makes you also inclined to being a conservative. But I repeat myself.

I love how the Left denies that IQ tests mean a damn thing, until they do. So being a racist when you’re older correlates with a low IQ score when young? So does being Black and male. Does that mean Cylux thinks that Afro-Caribbean males are morons too? Somehow I doubt this.

All this study proves is the prejudice of the people doing it. They have assimilated being conservative with supporting racism. That says more about them than about their subjects. Especially given it is an American study where racism going all the way back to the defence of slavery, has been a hall mark of the Democratic Party.

Chaise Guevara

Hardly surprising, seeing as it’s a lot easier to cling onto your prejudices if you’re not capable of thinking about them properly.

What makes you think people with a low IQ are incapable of thinking about their prejudices properly? Oh the pain of being so sensitive and so middle class.

There is a simpler explanation. Having a low IQ is strongly correlated with being working class. If you’re working class no one gives a sh!t if you hate Blacks are not. You will not get fired from the Mine or from driving a fork lift if you think that the Welsh are all stupid, lazy and thieving. On the other hand from the Middle Class no intellectual deviation is permitted. As Eric Capton or Carol Thatcher or really pretty much anyone who works for the BBC will tell you. The Middle Class needs to have moment by moment control of their every thought and utterance in case they find themselves not merely unemployed but unemployable. Because no one forgives a Thought Crime like that. So the Middle Class, especially those who like to think of themselves as intellectuals, may do well on IQ tests but they are intellectually comformist and sterile. They will not say what they really think about Black people. They will not even admit it to themselves. But look at rates of intermarriage. High in the working class. Low in the Middle.

@30

Especially given it is an American study where racism going all the way back to the defence of slavery, has been a hall mark of the Democratic Party.

The study was done by Brock University in Ontario, which is in Canada.

Why not supply a two for one’r deal if the Feminists are in the business of making and taking life? We should defer to the discussion regarding Dignitas clinics. That way Momsy wont make the same mistake twice.

@ 30 SMFS

“What makes you think people with a low IQ are incapable of thinking about their prejudices properly?”

I know IQ is hardly a great measure, but “the ability to think clearly about complicated things” is pretty much what intelligence means.

“Oh the pain of being so sensitive and so middle class.”

Blah blah blah personal attack blah blah blah non-sequitur blah blah blah toys flying out of the pram blah. I take it you’re older that 12, SMFS, so act like it.

“There is a simpler explanation. Having a low IQ is strongly correlated with being working class. If you’re working class no one gives a sh!t if you hate Blacks are not. ”

There’s an interesting point in here. Unfortunately it’s buried under your stupid sweeping statements, melodrama and obsessions with branding people based on their demographic.

“They will not say what they really think about Black people.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_projection_fallacy

In simple terms, just because you’re a bigoted twat doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

I agree, Conservatives and Niggers both have low IQ which is why Conservatives enslaved Niggers as source of manual labour once upon a time. The now technologically outdated ‘antique farm equipment’ is littering our countrysides and cityscapes, it is dangerously unstable to live near (like falling debris hazard on construction sites), causes blood disease when in contact with the circulatory system (HIV is transmitted much like Tetanus), has a habit of making fertile women bear little surprise babies (Oh noes not Black Jeysus!), and costs an absolute fortune to recycle into something useful.Disposal should really be the priority here as its a one step solution.