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#MyTramExperience woman: Hitler parody


12:43 am - November 29th 2011

by Sunny Hundal    


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You see, I think this is the best way to deal with racism – take the piss out of it.

Daniel Kirk has taken a clip from Downfall and mixed it with the racist tram woman video.

It’s genius.

If you haven’t watched it, here is the original video it refers to.

Some have also mooted another outcome for this woman.

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Yes, humiliating damaged aggressive angry insecure (and possibly somewhat unbalanced) people is always a good idea, isn’t it!

Way to win an argument, Sunny. There’ll be a place in Parliament for you yet.

Yep, it was sad to see that so many comments thought classism and sexism were the best ways to counter racism. Attacking “tram woman” for her supposed economic status, apparent motherhood and alleged drug use was hardly the way to take the liberal high ground. Is there no better way to examine the underlining causes of racial resentment than a Hitler mashup? Does “the UK’s most popular left-of-centre politics blog” really think this is “genius”?

3. anna-rose phipps

This woman and her pathetic, racist rant has been turned into a scapegoat. She seems to be drunk/drugged/mentally unbalanced rather than seriously racist.

Serious racists conceal their racism skillfully, and these are the people responsible for the institionalised racism that still exists.

By focussing blame on a meaningless racist rant and seeking to turn this woman into a national hate figure strikes me as wrong, to say the least. It is nauseating to observe the hypocritical moral sense of superiority coming from some of the leftie-liberal camp.

It makes me want to cringe

Just imagine a native american saying “My country was great before white people came here – you have stolen my country”

or

An aboriginal Austrailian saying the same thing, with similar venom…….

Would you liken them to Hitler. No? because they aren’t white, are they!

She clearly isn’t a very nice woman. The great news for people like you (liberals before you tag me a “racist”), is that she vindicates the “racism is a white phenomenom” liberal conspiracy – and of course, any white person who disagrees with shedloads of foreigners coming here with full entitlements is similarly “just a racist”

Thanks you stupid woman, for setting back ethnic white’s cause another 20 years.

ps

•Misogynist, racist, homophobic and xenophobic comments will be deleted.

I see that liberals are only into free speech when it suits them.

@4 Well, there is the significant difference that whites pretty much butchered native Americans in order to take their land off them, rather than just migrated for work or because they were from nations that were former parts of the empire. So the comparison doesn’t really hold.

6. people like me

As a liberal allow me to be the first one to say …@4 racist!

7. people like me

also cant we stop using the greatest scene in Downfall for every sodding thing that happens. That film was bloody magic, now I can never find that scene without Hitler moaning about X-Box subscription or Joe The Plumber.

@5 – Fair comment. The comparison doesn’t hold as a direct comparison.

“Well, there is the significant difference that whites pretty much butchered native Americans in order to take their land off them” – 18th Century
“, rather than just migrated for work ” – 21st Century

I presume you believe no-one migrates here for the NHS, education, benefits system or criminal opportunities?

I fail to see how a polish bus driver / hotel cleaner pay enough tax to justify the education and entitlements they will recieve.

Are the current poor who are indigenous to these islands responsible for the empire? Weren’t their ancestors whipped into satanic mills?

The attonement of the middle/ruling classes shouldn’t be borne by those at the bottom of the pile.

@8 Well I fail to see why those of a different ethnicity or nationality should have to bear the ills of those at the bottom who are suffering from the fallout of globalisation and free markets. (ie that foreigners HAVE got all their jobs, cept it’s the jobs that have migrated to China and India, were worker’s rights are suppressed to a greater degree, rather than immigrants coming here nicking em).
Perhaps her ire would have been better directed at the middle and ruling classes rather than her fellow tram passengers in that instance.

That “Schwarzfahrer (short cut)” video is genius!

Yes it’s funny, for about ten seconds. Then I remember ”Islamic ray guns” and those horrible middle classs idiots sniggering on youtube about the tattood EDL woman falling off the coach in Whitechapel and getting kicked in the face.
Don’t we love to mock those backward white racists?
I’m from that part of London, and if you ride the tram regularly you will see incidents all the time. Often just to do with fare dodging, anti-social, or gang-like behavior. Whether a group of black youths seriously cussing out and threatening a white ticket inspector who has challenged them for travelling without tickets has a racial element, is not always clear. But it’s something to ponder while you stand there feeling a bit helpless with the other passengers. I have sometimes guessed that it did.
I’ve also heard a black woman cussing out the tram before, when she jabbed her child’s buggy into some people’s legs when she got on as there wasn’t much room – and one white woman told her to watch what she did with the buggy. It was a very racially charged atmosphere I thought, because the black woman had such a ”geheto-black” street accent. Calling the other woman ”bitch” etc, and the white woman was answering her back, equal too her but without raising her voice.
It could have made a good Hitler downfall video too.

Well, I for one have attempted to square my Liberal/Left outlook on life with the State arrest and harassment of this woman…

…But it just doesn’t sit with me at all. People who deliberately break the law in full view of CCTV cameras should get all they deserve, but in this occasion I think we are using a an array of sledgehammers to crack a nut. We, as a society, should not tolerate racism, but come on, thought crime like this? We are going to go round to the house of some woman and lift her because of a racist rant? Really? So what about the guy in the pub who declares that most disabled people are swinging the lead and that most unemployed are lazy good for nothing?

Come to think of it, what about the people who repeat that sort of thing here? Christ we are all happy to see a ‘working class’ woman huckled of a tram for having a go at a Polish guy, but we are quite happy for Sue Marsh to be publicly humiliated by the despicable Tory bastards on this very site! Not only that but we will see thousands of disabled people accused of lying about their illnesses on every phone-in, Talk show, blogg, reader comment/letters and nothing said about it. Is ‘hate crime’ more acceptable if the person espousing does in an articulate manner? Or merely okay as long as it aimed at disabled?

The left on the other hand really need to get up to speed on this. The natural reaction for the Left is to condemn (rightly) the racist rant of this woman and demand the book be thrown at her. However, a slightly harder question is why she has xenophobic views in the first place. We condemn her without quarter for this, but are perfectly willing those people who would engineer the conditions that allow this type of lazy racism to grow. The type of people who would never vote anything other than hard Right are pandered and listened to while our natural supporters are ignored. We have tailored our policies to appease the bar room nutcase, while the poor are left to wither on the vine.

That woman is clearly angered by her lot which she blames the racial minorities on. Instead of attempting to engage her and getting to the root causes of her problem(s), say, unemployment, housing schooling or whatever, we ask feed her prejudices by pandering to the bigots.

1 – Clarice;

Sunny is not pointing and laughing at people, he is saying that one of the most effective ways to tackle *racism* is to belittle racism and take the piss out of it. If the woman needs help then she will have her needs assessed now, but as for existing racism, which many people suffer on a day to day basis from people with malicious intent, humour can play its part in stamping it out and making it foolish.

@13 Yes I know, and I disagree.

I am white, so I can only imagine how it feels for a non-white person to watch the #Tram, or to experience such incidents themselves. I imagine it would make me feel upset and angry, but also very threatened (and for good reason), so I can understand why trying to belittle it in any way I can would be a natural response.

What I am saying, however, is that in any subject other than racism, belittling dissent, or ad feminam attacks, are not a strong or ethical way to win an argument, or the high-ground, or to effect change. If we, as a…society, want to address racism, then we have to do just that, not just take the quick and easy out of putting other people down to make ourselves feel better. We have to acknowledge that racism is a reflection of the very real (if misplaced, but no less potentially murderous for all that) sense of being threatened that some (often but not always disenfranchised) white people feel. Personally, I don’t feel that mockery is an effective way to do this, but rather that it makes things worse.

15. Man on Clapham Omnibus

Sadly the parody was as unamusing as this lady’s outburst.
Shouldn’t the left try to take a more intelligent attitude of understanding how ideologies are underpinned by their material roots. There clearly is a notion of being British which underpins these sentiments. Maybe we should talk about how this is constructed. Personally, I felt sorry for the lady. She was obviiously at her wits end.
I’m sure 5 years in stir will make all the difference

Black woman on video.

“You lot don’t want to work. That’s why we’re over here. To do the work for you.”

Such language constitutes a hate crime against people on welfare and she should go to jail too………

”The Twitterati’s unhinged hounding of ‘racist tram lady’ confirms how intolerant the tweeting herd can be.”

That’s Spiked-online, who are really not liked at all on LC I think. But they make some good points on this tram woman.
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/11853/

”The hounding of this woman was not a great act of anti-racist activism – it was the virtual equivalent of children chasing the local crazy lady through the streets and shouting ‘Nutter!’ or ‘Cow!’.”

That’s true I think. And like the John Terry case, this kind of thing is not a matter for the police.

Some wit changed the BNP graffiti in the toilets of a local pub to Buggering Nancy Perverts, which sums up the reaction here: fight one bigotry with another.

Sunny is not pointing and laughing at people, he is saying that one of the most effective ways to tackle *racism* is to belittle racism and take the piss out of it. If the woman needs help then she will have her needs assessed now

Sure: that’s just how the law works. The first thing the police will think is how can we help this woman, not well that’s another target reached without me having to tackle some thug with a knife.

19. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells

Shouldn’t the left try to take a more intelligent attitude of understanding how ideologies are underpinned by their material roots. There clearly is a notion of being British which underpins these sentiments. Maybe we should talk about how this is constructed. Personally, I felt sorry for the lady. She was obviiously at her wits end.

Root causes?

Sounds like muesli munching, wooly Guardianista rubbish to me.

Such language constitutes a hate crime against people on welfare and she should go to jail too………

Prisons are already full, there’s simply no space for the entire tory party and all it’s registered members.

@9 – I agree – it’s where my ire is directed, Unfortunately the politicians do not care one hoot about what is right and wrong. I am still convinced the Labour Party has actively recruited supporters through immigration (and of course “to rub the rights face in it”)

“suffering from the fallout of globalisation and free markets”

– I know, it’s amazing how real living standards have decreased dramatically with free markets. What a shame we haven’t followed China’s lead – I mean, who cares about a little censorship here and there.

21. Chaise Guevara

@ 4 Hoondiggy

“The great news for people like you (liberals before you tag me a “racist”), is that she vindicates the “racism is a white phenomenom” liberal conspiracy”

Why is that great news for anyone?

“and of course, any white person who disagrees with shedloads of foreigners coming here with full entitlements is similarly “just a racist””

Um, the woman in question was ranting about “all the black and brown people”. She IS a racist. Why are you off on some kind of non-sequitur? What has the justified condemnation of this woman as a racist got to do with the immigration debate? How is this at all “similar”?

“I see that liberals are only into free speech when it suits them.”

No no, you’re confusing “liberals” with “Sunny Hundal”.

Essentially, you came to this site desperate to make angry sweeping statements about teh evul librulz, who are of course ALL THE SAME, and never mind if the content of the story is nothing to do with your intended rant!

@20 Re: China – Don’t confuse free markets with individual liberty, one doesn’t necessarily require the other. Indeed oftentimes they conflict strongly.

Why is that great news for anyone? – it isn’t, it was a sarcastic statement.

Um, the woman in question was ranting about “all the black and brown people”. She IS a racist. Why are you off on some kind of non-sequitur? What has the justified condemnation of this woman as a racist got to do with the immigration debate? How is this at all “similar”?

Dumbo – her main rant was “coming over here, this isn’t your country, go back to your own country etc” – that’s not about immigration then is it? I didn’t hear her say anything about them being inferior genetically or culturally. She was ranting about “them coming here”, so it WAS an immigration rant a racist rant. She included poles, who are not normally considered a race apart from western white people.

Essentially, you came to this site desperate to make angry sweeping statements about teh evul librulz, who are of course ALL THE SAME, and never mind if the content of the story is nothing to do with your intended rant!

it has everything to do with it.

“We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.”

When I read Luther King’s speech, I reflect that in Britain we have always been a nation of mongrels, and “indegenous” is something less meaningful to the American meaning of indegenous. Perhaps the greatest symbol of Britishness is the Queen. Half German. Married a Greek of Russian extraction. And our language has become rich because of so many generations of migrants coming in, and subsequent generations taking it abroad.

25. Leon Wolfson

@22 – Name them. Capitalism is quite separate from free markets, of course, so don’t include any elements of capitalism in your list…

@17 – Of course, it’s never a “matter for the police” to you until the deaths.

@8 – Right, so close the borders, get cut off, watch GDP plummet. You want to make the poor a sacrifice to the 1%.

Leon @ 25:

“Of course, it’s never a “matter for the police” to you until the deaths.”

So what, the police should get involved on the off chance that this woman might kill somebody?

27. Chaise Guevara

@ 23

“it isn’t, it was a sarcastic statement.”

So why act as if it’s great news for liberals, then?

“Dumbo – her main rant was “coming over here, this isn’t your country, go back to your own country etc” – that’s not about immigration then is it? I didn’t hear her say anything about them being inferior genetically or culturally. She was ranting about “them coming here”, so it WAS an immigration rant a racist rant.”

Moron – my point is that condemning people for genuine racism is not “similar” to using “racist!” as a knee-jerk attack on anyone who disagrees with open-border immigration policies. You seem to think that, because liberals call a racist a racist, we OBVIOUSLY must also call non-racist anti-immigration people racist.

“She included poles, who are not normally considered a race apart from western white people.”

Point being?

“it has everything to do with it.”

No it doesn’t. You’re conflating reasonable criticism with straw-man attacks simply to give you an avenue to post what I assume is your default “liberals are bad” rant.

BTW, do you realise that you’re complaining about anti-immigration views being confused with racism, while IN THE SAME BREATH conflating anti-racism views with straw-man attacks on people who don’t like immigration? Hypocrisy, much?

28. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells

Moron – my point is that condemning people for genuine racism is not “similar” to using “racist!” as a knee-jerk attack on anyone who disagrees with open-border immigration policies. You seem to think that, because liberals call a racist a racist, we OBVIOUSLY must also call non-racist anti-immigration people racist.

You know what I realised after watching that video?

After ten years of “OH WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO CALL ME A RACIST JUST BECAUSE I HATE FOREIGNERS; NEEE NAWWW, NEEE NAWWW, UH OH SOMEONE RUNG THE PC BRIGADE.”

They’ve managed to make it politically incorrect to call someone a racist.

@25 Do you want me to find an example from the theoretical idea of free markets, which simply can’t exist without replacing humanity with emotionless machines programmed to be fully informed and always act in their own best interests, or the more real world versions of free markets were things like thuggish intimidation and corruption are far more common?

30. Chaise Guevara

@ 28

“They’ve managed to make it politically incorrect to call someone a racist.”

Certainly seems that way in some cases. And it’s not the only example of so-called PC actually being invented by the sort of people who claim to hate PC. Another phrase that will get instant jeers, regardless of how true it is, is “society is to blame”.

she’s a bit thick.

Well said, Sunny. Perhaps this event will be will be the start of the backlash which is needed.


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    […] to push for better social attitudes through the law is a futile task. Popular condemnation and viral piss-takes work far better instead.Second, you may argue she can already be prosecuted under the Public Order […]

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