Watch: Sky compares protesters to Nazis


by Sunny Hundal    
9:25 pm - October 25th 2011

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This clip on Sky News was captured today afternoon.

Adam Boulton of Sky News, unbelievably, tries to compare the protesters to Nazis.

I’m not sure descendants of the Holocaust would quite agree with that. Is Boulton out of his mind?

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clip via @davidrobbo66 and @venny06

The hysteria over the supposedly empty tents has also been debunked at the Guardian by Patrick Kingsley.

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Oh no, not another Nazi comparison. Can’t there be a week in politics without one?
This is even worse than Ken Livingstone invoking Hitler: http://andreasmoser.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/ken-livingstone-hitler/

Rebutted, but not debunked, dear Sunny. Your middle class new heroes have no idea what they are for, threaten to stay until Christmas but give no idea what they should be given in order to make them go home, litter the nation’s premier cathedral, and like the morons in Parliament Square confuse squatting with protesting. And confuse their “protesting” with achieving anything.

The voice of the working class easily distinguishes action which achieves better conditions from the action of yummy mummies, hippie dropouts, and bohemian chic turds who want to “pull down capitalism”, “capitalism is crisis” etc, all meaningless bollocks which achieves nothing but contempt.

What the voice of, let’s say, brickies in Bolsover, are saying is “Middle class twats on their gap yah! Water cannon the lot of ‘em.” But I don’t expect you to appreciate this, talking only to your middle class Hampstead and Islington friends, with all of whom you of course voted Lib Dem last year.

As a working class Tory (mother a chip shop waitress, dad a mechanic: earned enough to put me through university, didn’t stop badgering me til I got to university, and I bless the day both of them were born) this shit fills me with rage and anger; fuck the lot of your crusty mates in their designer tents; water cannon them all, and if any of them is in employment their employers should sack them.

No doubt we’ll have Leon Wolfson round here soon to patronisingly sneer at my ghastly, terribly petit-bourgeois, almost (horrors! how beastly!) middle-class (UGH!) contempt at the brave noble squatting twats; all I can say to “Leon”, old mate, is that the workers are on the whole with me and not with Tarquin and Cressida in the £300 tent which they only stay in one night a week.

@2 – Well yes, I’m sure sociopaths like you would love to pull out the water cannon the police have not used in the past as unsafe in London against anyone who dares protest.

You’re quite right, I’m going to condemn your call for the violent suppression of protest, part of your all-too-typical Tory one-party “solution” to England’s issues.

And the “workers” on your side in that area, in the City? Well yes. They most certainly are. The Tories have cozened right up to them. Shame about the REST of the country, the 99%. You’re standing with the 1%, and I can’t cry for what will happen to the Corporatist elite.

I watched this live. He was unbelievably belittling throughout. I thought Sky News was unbiased?

@3. Oh, sociopath, that’s a new one. I’ve no problem with protest, but a squat’s not a protest, is it? It’s a squat. Tell me, what concession, what change in legislation, will make these “protesters” go home? The answer seems to be “none”, because “we’re here to raise awareness”: awareness of what? Presumably awareness of something that needs changing, through legislation. If there’s nothing that can be given to make these protesters go home from their protest, it’s no protest.

As for your comment about workers in the City, no, not workers in the City, I mean real workers, hence why I mentioned brickies from Bolsover in my last post which you clearly are incapable of reading. And I don’t buy any of this bullsh-t about the “1%”. The real “1%” are the sanctimonious university lecturers, students, and bobo drop-outs, all of whom grew up in 10 acres in the Home Counties unlike the rest of us. But for whom, yeah man, capitalism IS the crisis, y’know, we’ll pitch our tents outside St Paul’s, it’s like ’68 y’know, it’s real democracy here, we’ve got ‘down twinkles’ and everything. For information, you smug tw-t, I earn £22k in a white collar job, but I don’t consider myself one of the 99% because “99%” is a false dichotomy set up by soixante-ruitard morons.

If you don’t want to listen to a Tory telling you why the simpering Tarquins and Jocastas are a bunch of smug pricks who most people want water cannoned, listen to it from Labour’s mainstream: http://labourlist.org/2011/10/its-time-to-listen-to-the-99/

But then, of course, it’s now de rigeur on the left to sneer too at people like Dan Hodges telling you where you’re wandering down the path to irrelevance. Your choice.

You sneer, and everyone who doesn’t live in your middle-class left bubble walks away. Enjoy your high horse.

@2

You’re stupidity just forced me to agree with Leon Wolfson. I hope you’re pleased with myself. I’m not sure whether I should feel sullied now.

For everyone who may not have got the obscure reference, here’s some down twinkles, courtesy of Occupy Portland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NJjiGV0cCw

Isnn’t there are a bit in John O’Farrell’s book, where he suspect the FBI infiltrated the CND in the 80s, and subverted it so the whole of middle England would say “CND? What middle class twats!”. That’s essentially what I feel about the Occupy hippies. No excuse not to water cannon them, though.

@5 – So you feel that anyone squatting should be subjected to violence? Even better. It’s always violence and blood with the 1%.

And I’m poor. Thanks for spitting on me.

OMG OMG OMG !!!! Adan Boulton, I think you should resign, and go and hide in a drain pipe, how absolutely DARE you compare a peaceful protest with the calculated murder of millions of people, if you still have a job tomorrow it proves your management seriously ‘lacks judgement’. Epic Fail.

@2 etc ”As a working class Tory”
”earned enough to put me through university”
can say to “Leon”, old mate, …I bless the day both of them were born..No excuse not to water cannon them, though.” Test.

Is Danny Dyerism subject at University now? Or are you really that fake? Maybe just have a chip (mother!?) on your shoulder by becoming what you claim to hate – why go to you university in the first place if you so hate the ‘middle class’ ? Why be a tory? …sorry, but your bewildering.

Yeah I watched this live – total fluke as I almost never watch Sky ‘news’. I was choking on my lunch. There’s this nice, well spoken young man trying to explain what they’re up to and Boulton just compares him and the occupation to the Nazis. What a dickhead.

And test? I award you the prize for the most stupid thing I have read in years. I quote:

“If there’s nothing that can be given to make these protesters go home from their protest, it’s no protest”.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have our village idiot.

@2 ”this shit fills me with rage and anger; fuck the lot of your crusty mates in their designer tents; water cannon them all, and if any of them is in employment their employers should sack them.”

I’m working class and run a business – does that make my views in support of the protesters any more palatable to you- do I pass your test.

I fail to see the relevance though indeed i think you are a Tory fake who is just putting down the pen for the night in his/her useless PPE degree – what do you think.

Who cares about the rights of a few faithful to pray at St.Pauls. God does listen in to the church down the road maybe? Put in perspective, the Occupy protests is the most important movement of our times and the Church (if it had a backbone) would be recruiting town criers the country over to join this revolt against tyranny; instead it shows its true colours by threatening legal action against protestors- after initially failing with the health and safety try on- citing £20,000 daily revenue loss.

Tyranny is exactly what is being subjected to the 99%. The shortsightedness of right wing dunderheads like Boulton (whether out of ignorance or sinister disengenuity) is a mark of just how dislodged the masses in the UK are from making the economic connection to every process is their existence.Ask yourself why we learn nothing about money in school and you’re nearer to understanding this dynamic.

There are many trying to subvert this movement through character assassination by promoting the ant avoiding, vegetable muncher stereotype. This has largely been effective in years gone by.This time however, the penetration of hardship triggered by recession has reached far too many and far too quickly for discontent to be contained just on the peripheries and many have educated themselves to understand and question the fundamentals of this so called Capitalist system-something that was anathema even in PHD Economics until recently.
These questions and the solutions are far too destablising to a system that the bankers and their enablers have worked 400 years to perfect (and now destroy) that every effort will be made to discredit, malign and contaminate insurrections like this.

This protest is not about anti Capitalism (The bank bailouts would never have happened under a true Capitalist system). It is dissent against the fundamental constructs of the banking system,a scam so effective that it is disgusting it goes unchallenged in society (see above reference to school and money).

Make no mistake, the blue touch paper is lit and were the thresholds to hardship anything compared to poorer countries, the UK would be in flames now-with banker bonfire ceremonies at bongo thumping o clock every night instead of sneaky home trips for a cuppas and naps.

The idiots on X factor,the TalkSport cab drivers and the Daily Mail’s return on investments will eventually be on board as the battle line between the bankers,their minions and the people becomes easier to recognise. Before then, its in the best interest of the majority of the British people to understand why this movement has gone global for there will come a time, and I can say with certainty this will pass, when those that fail to appreciate what the bankers have done and are doing will seek the path of least resistance and focus their ignorance on easy targets like minorities.

Bankers have been getting away with it since time immemorial but this time I remind myself that the people in generations past did not have the internet so it this time it will be different.

Faisal @ 13:

“Who cares about the rights of a few faithful to pray at St.Pauls.”

An attitude which is strangely reminiscent of the greedy “I’m alright, so sod everybody else” attitude which the protests are supposedly aimed at.

15. Matt Wardman

Ouch !

Faisal,

I’m bored, so lets look at these statements.

Who cares about the rights of a few faithful to pray at St.Pauls. God does listen in to the church down the road maybe? Put in perspective, the Occupy protests is the most important movement of our times and the Church (if it had a backbone) would be recruiting town criers the country over to join this revolt against tyranny; instead it shows its true colours by threatening legal action against protestors- after initially failing with the health and safety try on- citing £20,000 daily revenue loss.

I love the fact that the Occupy protests are an important movement, as they have failed to achieve anything, not attracted mass public support (it’s worth noting most people agree with their vague aims, but most people would have agreed with Stalin’s vague aims – because they sound nice) and as far as I can see now started to attract negative press – the Nazi comparison will not shock those who do not support the movement, as it has a historical basis, crass as it is; that Adam Boulton was able to do this therefore means that the perception of the Occupy protests is poor.

Tyranny is exactly what is being subjected to the 99%. The shortsightedness of right wing dunderheads like Boulton (whether out of ignorance or sinister disengenuity) is a mark of just how dislodged the masses in the UK are from making the economic connection to every process is their existence.Ask yourself why we learn nothing about money in school and you’re nearer to understanding this dynamic.

I see the tyranny in the way the tanks have cleared the 20 or so sleepers from St Pauls without any media coverage… Oh hang on, that hasn’t happened yet (slips secret right-winger only plan for dealing with protests back into pocket…). Or seriously, what the hell do you mean tyranny? Do you really believe that democracy is a sham, that there is no rule of law and that the powerful can do as they wish? Otherwise, I think you may be engaging in hyperbole.

Incidentally, I learnt a lot about money and money management in school, and it seems to be a compulsory part of citizenship nowadays. Your failure to learn could be explained in various ways, but my favourite would probably be the creation of a teaching to test system which fails to provide useful information. This is a result of a centralised state-driven target regime, not some tyranny of the rich.

There are many trying to subvert this movement through character assassination by promoting the ant avoiding, vegetable muncher stereotype. This has largely been effective in years gone by.This time however, the penetration of hardship triggered by recession has reached far too many and far too quickly for discontent to be contained just on the peripheries and many have educated themselves to understand and question the fundamentals of this so called Capitalist system-something that was anathema even in PHD Economics until recently.

I tend to avoid ants as well. Quite powerful bites for their size you know.

Anyway, I see you are well educated. You must be to know that PhD (note the small h – Philosophiae Doctor is the actual term…) Economics (whatever the hell that is – you do realise that PhD is a research degree, so it has no curriculum, and that universities anyway set their own criteria for award) would not question the fundamentals of this so-called Capitalist system (it is a Capitalist system – otherwise, what the hell are you complaining about capitalism for?). Obviously you are correct – if I went to LSE for example, I would not find one holder of a PhD in Economics who argued that capitalism was not working. None of them have signed letters to the Guardian recently.

These questions and the solutions are far too destablising to a system that the bankers and their enablers have worked 400 years to perfect (and now destroy) that every effort will be made to discredit, malign and contaminate insurrections like this.

400 years eh? And look how much better 99% of the population are off in that time. Maybe there is something in this capitalism lark after all. Still, nice to see you believe this questions and the solutions (what are they incidentally – as with much support of the Occupy movement, this all seems somewhat vague) will destablise a system that is already apparently destroyed. Should be quite easy I’d have thought.

This protest is not about anti Capitalism (The bank bailouts would never have happened under a true Capitalist system). It is dissent against the fundamental constructs of the banking system,a scam so effective that it is disgusting it goes unchallenged in society (see above reference to school and money).

Hang on, I’m now almost in agreement, other than I would argue that a true capitalist system would support the capitalists – I think you mean a true free market. Whilst I do not think the fundamental constructs of the banking system (bank looks after my money, and makes profit by investing it) are a scam, I do think you may be right about the fundamental relationship between banks and state – however, considering the last half-competent government we had was arguably a matter of necessity in 1939-45 (and note the half there) I doubt this is actually organised.

Make no mistake, the blue touch paper is lit and were the thresholds to hardship anything compared to poorer countries, the UK would be in flames now-with banker bonfire ceremonies at bongo thumping o clock every night instead of sneaky home trips for a cuppas and naps.

Bongo-thumping o’clock? Lets be generous and assume that was not a potentially racist comment (because I get sick of seeing this accusation – apologies for bringing this up). But what you are saying is that because the British population are well-off anyway (due presumably to that nice capitalist system…) they are not angry or even very dedicated to protesting.

The idiots on X factor,the TalkSport cab drivers and the Daily Mail’s return on investments will eventually be on board as the battle line between the bankers,their minions and the people becomes easier to recognise. Before then, its in the best interest of the majority of the British people to understand why this movement has gone global for there will come a time, and I can say with certainty this will pass, when those that fail to appreciate what the bankers have done and are doing will seek the path of least resistance and focus their ignorance on easy targets like minorities.

Aha – you are now a prophet (for your certainity implies you can see into the future), who for some reason thinks that groups of people whom I presume you dislike for some reason (oddly aren’t the X factor, Talksport and the Daily Mail consumed by large and fairly discrete sections of the 99%? But I presume they have no choice about this, and this reflects their forced ignorance – after all, why else would people not be up in arms?) will be forced to join your ‘battle lines’ in the end.

Bankers have been getting away with it since time immemorial but this time I remind myself that the people in generations past did not have the internet so it this time it will be different.

Hmm. Care to put money on that? I hope the link with government will be more clearly cut (note that the current government has already indicated that it will not be bailing people out), and ideally the situation in which large businesses do best will be reversed (the internet will help there). But I doubt the revolution you seem to be dreaming about will happen.

“all meaningless bollocks which achieves nothing but contempt.”

The when do so many people have admiration for them. Talking out of the back of your arse, test.

@test-icle

“listen to it from Labour’s mainstream: http://labourlist.org/2011/10/its-time-to-listen-to-the-99/

Anthony Painter, Labour’s mainstream?!! Laughable! You’re not only deepy ignorant about the Labour Party, but off your trolly.

For better or worse, the protesters now have far more in common with the students on the streets of Paris in 1968 than with the Nazis.

La lutte continue.

@Test

As a working class Tory (mother a chip shop waitress, dad a mechanic: earned enough to put me through university, didn’t stop badgering me til I got to university, and I bless the day both of them were born)

Sigh.

I’m a working class liberal (mother a housewife, father construction worker) and I thank my stars that I was educated enough to see what fools working class Tories really are.

21. douglas clark

I suppose one could assume that Adam Boulton was back in his Oxford days when arguing a fucking stupid point got you lots of credo in the local debating society, where brain dead morons argued for or against what they actually thought. It seems to me that that more or less encapsulates our political and commentariat class. You care about nothing, but you can argue a good case. Frankly it is pooh….

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Or you could just assume he is a complete utter wanker.

@21: “I suppose one could assume that Adam Boulton was back in his Oxford days when arguing a fucking stupid point got you lots of credo in the local debating society, where brain dead morons argued for or against what they actually thought.”

As a regular student debater, that seriously understates the challenges and merits of the exercise. Lawyers and politicians, as well as business executives, often have to make cases in contexts where others will oppose it.

Adam Boulton is just a poor analyst. The Nazis of the 1930s had a clear political agenda – as unspeakably awful as that agenda was. The current protestors manifestly lack a clear agenda – as did the students on the Paris streets in 1968. If anything, they were protesting at the persistence of top-down decision-making and pressing for wider engagement in the process.

The immediate turmoil has more to do with the failings of European Monetary Union, which many had anticiapted, than with the failings of capitalism.

23. douglas clark

Bob B,

No, it doesn’t. It means you have surrendered any principles you may have had for the sake of an arguement, discussion or up your arse point of view. There is zero merit in university debating societies or those that support them.

Evil little runts, the lot of them.

Unprincipled little bastards in the main….

If you regularily played that game then hell mend you :-)

24. douglas clark

Hmm…

My comment about university debaters has not appeared. Is that because this site is exclusively run by university debaters?

@Douglas: “it doesn’t. It means you have surrendered any principles you may have had for the sake of an arguement, discussion or up your arse point of view.”

That’s immature rubbish IMO. In many subjects, students at university are often confronted by theories, analysis and opinions they have never previously encountered and where it is none too clear how any cherished principles they might have previously subscribed to could apply. It’s as well for their academic progress – and very likely for their subsequent professional careers – if they first get inside and explore these novel ideas before discarding them.

Just to take a minor but relevant example, tutors will often ask for papers in economics on the theories of Milton Friedman – or JM Keynes, or, say, the British Hegelians, such as TH Green and Bosanquet, for a seminar discussion. In physics, scientists are presently grappling with the notion that there are sub-atomic particles capable of travelling faster than the speed of light, which runs counter to the fundamental assumptions of Einstein’s thory of relativity. A student responding along the lines that they won’t do that paper because (s)he doesn’t agree with the topic is liable to be regarded as a low-grade bigot.

Even journos have been asked by editors to write pieces with prescribed perspectives.

Adam Boulton could at least have checked to see whether the protestors outside St Paul’s are saying anything remotely similar to the 25 points manifesto of the National Socialist German Workers Party:
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP_25_points_manifesto

If he hasn’t checked, that makes him a bad journalist even if he is an Oxford graduate, which I’m not.

What an extraordinary arguement by Adam Boulton.

A protest is a ‘collective’ act – whether some of them go home at night is irrelevent.

Sky News says it’s a 24 hour news channel – do we assume that, because of that, none of the presenters ever go home after their shift?

Oh, yay. A British Glenn Beck.

@14 To be fair Jesus wasn’t all that keen on public displays of worship or with selling things from stalls within temples…

29. test fishy mother

fuck me test is a twat. Also for a Troll he writes any awful lot, good trolls keep it short and simple. What a cock.

To be fair, try the parable of the talents in Matthew chp. 25.. The bottom line was:

’28 Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29 For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:14-30

But was that in the Coalition agreement?

31. bricky in Bolsover

FUCK ME! That test is a right fucking twat, but if he starts banging on about politics just nod and agree with him, that should shut the wanker up.

Adam Boulton is a total idiot, but if people really are doing that ”down twinkles” stuff, then they deserve to be mocked.

@16. Watchman

I am trying to avoid guessing what year of school you may be in after you defended the success of money and money management education only to attempt (and it was at best that) to convey your understanding later that the fundamental construct of banking is the bank looking after your money and investing it for profit. I also reserved suspicion that you may be foolish until you wrote that the govt has indicated it will not be bailing anyone out anymore and it is presumably your conviction that this hasn’t or won’t happen?

Lets look at the £75bn QE (part 2) injection the BofE announced 2 weeks ago. Now tell me how that wasn’t a bank bailout? Tell me how that WONT manifest itself in inflation once the printed money filters down to the street? Tell me how this QE and the threat of more QE-which the BofE has kept the door open for- wont result in pain for the people and further social unrest?

The fractional reserve system of banking (money created and backed by nothing) allows banks to leverage (counterfeit) themselves by 40:1 today. A 4% drop in asset value for a bank leveraged at 26:1 (as Europe is) will wipeout ALL of its equity (which includes the savings of pension plans and churches) and you think this fundamental construct is sound and fair do you?

The deflation threat that can so easily be realised, where the value of your house (bank asset) depreciates (a good thing IMO), and will see that money printing or QE or whatever else they will call it, will continue to infinity.You believe this threat will not force the hand of the govt and BofE to further bailout Greek bondholders, Italy, Spain and the other countries through the IMF do you?

You believe the construct of the fractional reserve banking system,where only £10 of your £100 bank deposit is held in reserve while the other £90 is used to speculate and inflate commodity prices for quick profit is good money management do you?

Ask yourself what a pound in your pocket can buy now compared to 20-30 years ago. The equivalent buying power of a £1 is now £0.113 compared to £1 in 1971.
Resist in seeking confirmation from your brain that its ‘inflation init’ because this has not happened by accident. It is an inherent design fault with the fiat currency system (money backed by nothing) and has a half life of about 40 years.

The 400 years of Capitalism that you implicate in the progress of the West needs more qualifying as Capitalism as a monolithic identity has never existed. The debt based system needs exponential growth to service interest on principal that came before it (this is called a Ponzi Scheme and last I checked it is popularly accepted as a scam) and this is what eventually manifests itself in enslavement of the 99%.
Eventually because creating debt bubbles (what has fuelled our prosperity for 400 yrs) can only extend to the available resources which is for all intense and purposes, finite.
And when fake wealth can’t stimulate the necessary growth, the wheels come off and the party is over. Well, the biggest debt bubble in the history of mankind (sovereign debt) is about to blow up on the West’s face and it is the 99% who will pick up the pieces unless you act now to prevent the misappropriation and extraction that is certain to ensue. That is not being a prophet, it is looking at the patterns of behaviour of the bankers and their lackeys and suspecting what they are likely to do and supporting (at the very least) preemptive voices of resistance whose cause, I will repeat, far outweighs the inconvenience of finding a church down the road that utilises financial instruments that fly in the face of everything it should stand for anyway, to donate to.

He doesn’t compare the movements aims, whatever they are, or its members to National Socialists. He aptly questions the definition of the protest as an ‘occupation’, which it clearly isn’t if people are going home in the evening. .

I personally don’t see any specific similarities with Nazis in terms of motivation or behavior. The only similarity is the Nazis would take to the streets and claim the ‘ordinary people’ (the 99%) were with them, without providing any evidence of that. The only thing is the age-old similarity between extremists factions and the political movements of the ‘street’, both right and left. Both have equal contempt for the institutions of democratic politics – the party system and parliament. “What’s the point, its all lobbyists and parties for the 1%” etc. “Whats the point, the whole systems controlled by Jews and bankers anyway” etc.

I knew this movement would not become something political in the traditional sense, such the Tea Party. It will not because they wont engage with people less radical with them on the key issues. Neither did the Tea Party? Fair enough, but the TP literally had 100s of thousands of determined supporters and sympathisers, with a very clear agenda which was achievable.

On a broader point about PR, the movement has so far received an extremely soft ride from the media. This is mainly because the timing of the protest fits in nicely with wider concerns about ‘feral financiers’ etc. It was inevitable this ‘free pass’ was going to be revoked the longer this aimless protest dragged on. Its equally inevitable public support was going to sap away after the Cathedral had to shut, despite the pleading from the faithful.

35. douglas clark

Bob B,

You say @ 25:

Just to take a minor but relevant example, tutors will often ask for papers in economics on the theories of Milton Friedman – or JM Keynes, or, say, the British Hegelians, such as TH Green and Bosanquet, for a seminar discussion. In physics, scientists are presently grappling with the notion that there are sub-atomic particles capable of travelling faster than the speed of light, which runs counter to the fundamental assumptions of Einstein’s thory of relativity. A student responding along the lines that they won’t do that paper because (s)he doesn’t agree with the topic is liable to be regarded as a low-grade bigot.

Eh!

That is rather different from taking a point of political view that you don’t agree with and pretending that you care about it. It is what legal eagles do, not sane and sensible human beings. It is the idiocy of the debating society, and frankly is inexcusable outside a courtroom. Or on a solicitors fees.

You have no case.

@ Douglas: “That is rather different from taking a point of political view that you don’t agree with and pretending that you care about it. It is what legal eagles do, not sane and sensible human beings. It is the idiocy of the debating society, and frankly is inexcusable outside a courtroom. Or on a solicitors fees. You have no case”

That’s more rubbish. You are fixated on political disagreements. Other disagreements can also be fundamental and carry crucial public policy implications.

There were and are plenty of economists who don’t agree with Friedman – and others who don’t agree with Keynes. Both camps regard their disagreements as fundamental and the policy implications diverge. Even Friedman, in an interview in an interview with the FT in 2003, acknowledged personal reservations about monetarism. But we need to understand their respective theories to understand the rationales for the differences. Writing contrasting seminar papers is a good way of getting there.

As for the British Hegelians, some still cherish their legacy – such as Matt Carter, general secretary of the Labour Party 2004/05 and the Communitarians. Evidently, he and they missed out on the revolution in philosophical analysis led by GE Moore, Bertrand Russell, the logical positivists and Wittgenstein in the early part of the last century. That too is a fundamental difference. The revolution in philosophy, bringing a reversion to empiricism, was very liberating in its consequences.

Debating is good intellectual exercise – not least for journalists and policy makers. For starters, it means anticipating and constructing responses to alternative viewpoints.

Sky News isn’t very good, is it?

“Sky News isn’t very good, is it?”

As with FOX News in America, it caters for a very specific audience.

As with other Murdoch controlled media, the executives and presenters are (made) thoroughly familiar with the preferences and demographics of the targeted audiences and readerships – a business model which must doubtless contribute to the financial successes of the empire.

This isn’t a secret, hence James Murdoch’s MacTaggart lecture in 2009 attacking the BBC and all it represents:
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Media/documents/2009/08/28/JamesMurdochMacTaggartLecture.pdf

“Sky News isn’t very good, is it?”

As with FOX News in America, it caters for a very specific audience.

As with other Murdoch controlled media, the executives and presenters are (made) thoroughly familiar with the preferences and demographics of the targeted audiences and readerships – a business model which must doubtless contribute to the financial successes of the empire. This isn’t a secret, hence James Murdoch’s MacTaggart lecture in 2009 attacking the BBC:
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Media/documents/2009/08/28/JamesMurdochMacTaggartLecture.pdf

The protest is messy evolution in progress. Those against are the grunts of the Nethanderal. Times up.

And now Eamonn Holmes – a broadcaster once described as having delusions of adequacy – asks a rape victim why she didn’t take a taxi:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054110/Eamonn-Holmes-asks-Hannah-Cant-raped-didnt-taxi.html

(Look I don’t like linking to the Mail, but when even they think Sky have gone too far)

Is the same sort of slur being made on Liberal Vision by Tom Papworth?

http://www.liberal-vision.org/2011/10/27/poor-good-news-your-days-are-numbered/

43. I hate Nick cohen, martin kelner and Alison Pearson

“me til I got to university”
Not a English degree perhaps.

44. I hate Nick cohen, martin kelner and Alison Pearson

Tory using your logic, the fuel tax protesters were an army of occupation. At least this lot isn’t preventing fuel getting to the public. Whether these individuals are correct is not the point. They are protesting peacefully. Also I find it quite heart warming that in these days of greed, there is a spark of youthful revolt.True most will be investment bankers in their fifties, love the press, hate lefties and think all protesters should be tortured by the security services.

45. magapanthus

It means they are losing the argument if they invoke the nazis. I seem to remember that the nazis also used extreme violence to exert their will. Not the same thing at all!


Reactions: Twitter, blogs
  1. Naturally Cycling

    F**k me, Adam Boulton you idiot RT Jesus christ: http://t.co/ar0zwbLp #MurdochHack #occupylsx #occupyfs #ows (via @fatcharlesh )

  2. Sonny Hooper

    Cheap tents are the new Panzer tanks: Sky News says #occupylsx is like Nazis occupying Europe. http://t.co/6dDylNDq

  3. Rose

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  4. Siren of Brixton

    “@PaulLewis: Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video http://t.co/1EdV2zO5” what a knob

  5. Richard

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  6. t.j greene

    @pNibbler @wickedfairysad @greentak spot the nazi http://t.co/j0IJJlzH

  7. Aardeegeedubya

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  8. Matt Clack

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  9. irk

    Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #OccupyLSX protesters to Nazis. Pathetic smearing http://t.co/m9kJqNHQ

  10. Mark Wernham

    These Sky media gits enrage me: RT @PaulLewis: Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon http://t.co/0PAJY5uV

  11. Tony Browne

    Disgraceful 'journalism' on #occupylsx by @SkyNews . Condescending tone and comparisons with nazis. Should be ashamed. http://t.co/fmndLobA

  12. The Media Blog

    RT @libcon: Sky News compares protesters to Nazis http://t.co/2oamgHu2 <– From Boulton & CO (think the CO stands from 'claptrap opinions')

  13. Ben Abbott

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  14. Miss Browne

    RT @libcon: Sky News compares protesters to Nazis http://t.co/2oamgHu2 <– From Boulton & CO (think the CO stands from 'claptrap opinions')

  15. Paul Daly

    Fox News UK -> RT @sunny_hundal Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #OccupyLSX protesters to Nazis. Pathetic smearing http://t.co/F6wb9Fl1

  16. Nobody Special

    RT @sunny_hundal Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #OccupyLSX protesters to Nazis. http://t.co/n3NzvLx1

  17. Liberal Conspiracy

    Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/fixGTF7k (from last night)

  18. Maria Petersen

    RT @libcon: Sky News compares protesters to Nazis http://t.co/2oamgHu2 <– From Boulton & CO (think the CO stands from 'claptrap opinions')

  19. Nancy

    Shocking! RT-> @libcon Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/h1UbyBew (from last night)

  20. jonathan percival

    Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/fixGTF7k (from last night)

  21. Harry Eyres

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  22. Rob Ballington

    Ha ha ha! What a prick – RT @libcon: Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/u60k97zO

  23. andy northcott

    RT @Liberal Conspiracy Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/nrYUYm3N (from last night)

  24. malcolm

    Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #OccupyLSX protesters to Nazis. Pathetic smearing http://t.co/m9kJqNHQ

  25. ben stewart

    Sky News to #occupyLSX:"When we think of occupations we think of NAZIs in Poland, they didn't go to bed at night" http://t.co/8Wro6qJt Er…

  26. malcolm

    Watch Adam Boulton compare #occupylsx protesters to Nazis http://t.co/DqbO6q8r (go to 1m10s)

  27. Pete Birkinshaw

    RT @Liberal Conspiracy Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/nrYUYm3N (from last night)

  28. Judith Flanders

    Well, orders hve clearly come down from Murdoch. Wow. MT @sunny_hundal Sky News' Boulton compares #OccupyLSX to Nazis. http://t.co/WerXoihG

  29. Steve

    Sky News to #occupyLSX:"When we think of occupations we think of NAZIs in Poland, they didn't go to bed at night" http://t.co/8Wro6qJt Er…

  30. Lea

    Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/fixGTF7k (from last night)

  31. malcolm

    Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/fixGTF7k (from last night)

  32. Colin Smith

    Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/fixGTF7k (from last night)

  33. Martin Shovel

    Adam Boulton of Sky News, compares anti-capitalist protesters to Nazis http://t.co/Bkhi80li

  34. TIME FOR CHANGE!

    #pmsl #irony RT @libcon: Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/dNOKVB4P (from last night)

  35. Sustainable Change

    RT @libcon: Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/SIaSNds7 (from last night) >> unbelievable

  36. Daley Chetwynd

    Murdoch shill Adam Boulton finally loses his tiny mind http://t.co/BbgWyTuZ

  37. Dan Stevens

    Oh dear, Adam Boulton loses it again…: http://t.co/ar9OhdXO

  38. Nigel Freeman

    Odious man – sack him NOW! @PaulLewis: Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video http://t.co/i1SmtDja

  39. Nigel Freeman

    Adam Boulton: "'inability to use thoroughfare' equivalent to nazi occupation of germany." http://t.co/hf1RCZ6q meanwhile, pedestrians pass..

  40. Teflon Dave

    Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/fixGTF7k (from last night)

  41. Greg Lestrade

    Oh dear, Adam Boulton loses it again…: http://t.co/ar9OhdXO

  42. malcolm

    Adam Boulton of Sky News, compares anti-capitalist protesters to Nazis http://t.co/Bkhi80li

  43. Nick Cobbing

    @fieldproducer I get why you put the word 'field' in your name, to distance yourself from what happens in the studio: http://t.co/wvbcjija

  44. Wassim

    Oh my God. Madness RT @sunny_hundal: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #OccupyLSX protesters to Nazis. Pathetic smearing http://t.co/MrLseo7O

  45. Craig Ryan

    @MartinShovel Adam Boulton of Sky News, compares anti-capitalist protesters to Nazis http://t.co/otWEvH7G >> He seems angry and desperate

  46. Paul Jenkins

    Oh dear, Adam Boulton loses it again…: http://t.co/ar9OhdXO

  47. Hannah 'Pops' Barham

    Oh dear, Adam Boulton loses it again…: http://t.co/ar9OhdXO

  48. Karen Cole

    Boulton invokes Godwin's Law? RT @thatdanstevens Oh dear, Adam Boulton loses it again…: http://t.co/s4sgmtuI

  49. Dave Harrison

    Adam Boulton at Sky News compares #OccupyLSX to Nazi occupation. Barely believable: http://t.co/kKYHFitj

  50. cybernoelie

    Astonishing: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #occupy protesters to Nazis http://t.co/fixGTF7k (from last night)

  51. Rory I. Sinclair

    Murdoch shill Adam Boulton finally loses his tiny mind http://t.co/BbgWyTuZ

  52. Hannah Searson

    Oh dear, Adam Boulton loses it again…: http://t.co/ar9OhdXO

  53. Steven Ruddy

    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/10/25/watch-sky-news-compares-protesters-to-nazis/

  54. jonathansebire

    Hailing from Islands occupied in WW2 I am SO disappointed in @adamboultonSKY I will be writing to SKY http://t.co/Y0n2eTeR #occupylondon

  55. Donald Goldthorp

    RT @thatdanstevens: Oh dear, Adam Boulton loses it again…: http://t.co/ShLpwXtF

  56. Mike McLoughlin

    What. A. Nob.
    RT @thatdanstevens: Oh dear, Adam Boulton loses it again…: http://t.co/T0i0kcxv

  57. richardbrennan

    Watch: #Skynews compares protesters to #Nazis | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/To5Bk9BP via @libcon

  58. Ben Trott

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  59. Gillian Kalter

    Watch: Sky compares protesters to Nazis | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/NlsYXZ3t via @libcon Sky News you need to do better than this.

  60. Sean Brannan

    Via @sunny_hundal: Sky News' Adam Boulton compares #OccupyLSX protesters to Nazis. Pathetic smearing http://t.co/Ht4cEOjf

  61. Anomie

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  62. Tierney Smith

    Dear oh dear. #Sky News' Adam #Boulton goes all #Fox News and compares @OccupyLSX activists to #Nazis http://t.co/TyD884UD (via @PaulLewis)

  63. Helen Johnson

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  64. Angus MacInnes

    Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis > @libcon video post that's causing Twitterstorm: http://t.co/D4ES8QSm

  65. Dominic Mantle

    @MathewHulbert Oh I'm just catching up on him likening the Occupy protestors to Nazis a day or so ago http://t.co/wwaHDQXw

  66. ImageHack

    Watch: Sky compares protesters to Nazis | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/eeINeDOs via @libcon

  67. George Orwell Pub

    “@PaulLewis: Oh dear. Adam Boulton did compare London activists to Nazis video post: http://t.co/Pd3jjqmg” he's always been a twat.

  68. Oliver Kearns

    Want a laugh? Listen to Adam Boulton compare #occupylsx protesters to Nazi occupiers. Insightful journalism as ever http://t.co/IEaVbEF7

  69. Andy Farrell

    @derekhumphries @MarinaHyde Ignore the twonk that is Boulton but just listen to the opening line of the 'protester' http://t.co/Hi6ieWMK

  70. Andy Farrell

    @tom_watson and at the beginning of this : http://t.co/Hi6ieWMK you'll hear one 'protester' admitting he goes home at night!

  71. anonymous

    #occupylondon Sky compares protesters to Nazis http://t.co/tVJEUJzd Think its Kate Burley. She got her son a internship with Cameron

  72. Fran Boait

    Watch: Sky compares protesters to Nazis | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/30xrCXZH via @libcon

  73. James

    Watch: Sky compares protesters to Nazis | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/IrVVAXmB via @libcon

  74. John Lindsay

    http://t.co/SlGA4ct5 Adam Boulton compres protesters to Nazis. What a dick

  75. Alex Salmond

    Boulton compares protesters to Nazis.http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/10/25/watch-sky-news-compares-protesters-to-nazis/ Will not be…….

  76. Joe Gannicliffe

    Ridiculous Sky presenter, might as well be watching Fox news…Sky compares protesters to Nazis http://t.co/tEbzdOhu via @libcon





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