Watch: Mensch ridiculed on HIGNFY #occupyLSX


3:39 pm - October 22nd 2011

by Sunny Hundal    


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Last night the Conservative MP Louise Mensch tried to make some jokes about OccupyLSX, and failed miserably. Then, Ian Hislop and Paul Merton tear her arguments apart.

It’s a brilliant piece of television.

Thanks to @latentexistence for the clip

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Do you drink Starbucks coffee?
I might have to stop reading your blog.

Danny Baker for mayor of London?

To quote Radgeek, one of my fav bloggers, “You know, it strikes me that if your aim is to use visual rhetoric to lodge a criticism of the people at Occupy Wall Street, then an image whose upshot is, roughly, “the activities of giant corporations inescapably pervade absolutely every aspect of your everyday life” … may not actually be as effective a criticism as you think it is.”

Mensch doesn’t do well with her attempt at humour. There’s a joke in there somewhere, but she fails to deliver it. Starbucks has been targetted by demonstrations in the past, and is up there with the evil McDonald’s empire in the lexicon of bad capitalist corporations as far as I know.
Without being there, it’s difficult to know how much crossover there is between this group of 300 or so, and other protests like the smashers of bank windows and those eejits who went along to resist the police at Dale Farm.
I saw one woman activist on the news, leaving Dale Farm in tears, who I recognised off the ”Just Do It” film.
This woman here.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/resources/images/1805024/?type=display
Maybe she’s now camped outside St Pauls.
There’s some material for humour in that – but you just need someone sharp enough to make it.

“Do you use roads? Do you use electricity? Do you buy food from supermarkets? Do you use use the internet? Do you own a toothbrush? Do you use anything that modern society provides?

If so, you’re not allowed to complain about any part of the system.

So shut up peasants and get back to work – or return to your squalid hovel if you have no work.”

She’s the perfect Conservative – which is the biggest insult I can think of.

6. valueofnothing

You could equally well call all people who believe in free markets hypocrites when they use the NHS or state education

“You could equally well call all people who believe in free markets hypocrites when they use the NHS or state education”

And those who would prefer an elected head of state are also hypcrites and should be obliged to emigrate?

What of those who aren’t Anglicans when the Church of England is the established church? And what of those who send their children to their local bog-standard comprehensive school when they would really prefer the opportunity for the children to go to selective schools?

“You could equally well call all people who believe in free markets hypocrites when they use the NHS or state education”

Except that a coffee from Starbucks isn’t a vital part of “the system”.

Given that Starbucks has been attacked in the past for being a stereotypical evil capitalist corporation I can see the point she’s making. That said she made the mistake of trying to be too serious (after the initial attempt at humour) on a comedy show and where most of the audience and pannelists disagreed with her. That was never going to look good.

But what the bankers and the city are practicing is not capitalism. It is socialism for rich elites. And our idiot chancellor wants more public money to bail out his moronick brownshirt fucks in the city.

Fox was also into this new right wing socialism for the rich.

You could literally see the moment when Ian Hislop wanted to vomit whilst she was speaking.

11. naughty osborne's mum

To be fair to her, she’s pretty thick skinned, maybe just thick.

Perhaps the mass of Botox and filler she’s apparently had pumped into her face blocks all feeling.

She should have known what she was in for after the last Private Eye. A pair of photos, one of Thatcher (who looks like a cross between Gary Oldman’s bouffant Dracula and a transvestite Davros) and one of Mensch captioned Has Tory Sweetheart Had A Facelift? You Decide. Its the vanity and arrogance of politicians that leads them to believe they have a sense of humour. Applause is the spur of noble minds, the end aim of weak ones as somebody said

I thought she was struggling throughout the program. Her comment in this case was telling, playing on a familiar skinny latte ‘n’ iphone prejudice. Black jumpers would have been next. I’m sure it went down well in the bars of Manchester.

I do wonder if Louise Mensch thought anti-communist protesters in the USSR were hypocrites if they worked in a communist factory or took any part in communist society? If those who marched for democracy also bought food in state subsidised markets, did that make their wishes for democracy invalid?

I still would though.

Normally, I wouldn’t draw attention to someone’s appearance. However, as her appearance is such an issue to Mensch – to the extent that it’s obvious she’s had some kind of ‘work’ done – I think it’s fair play to comment on it.

She not only represents all that’s wrong with politics, she’s – quite literally – the embodiment of it. A thin veneer buffed to every inch of its life at the expense of what lies beneath.

17. mostly harmless

Louise Mensch – the reason why people turn off politics

I got the link barred due to “My Video Rights2” – some blanket corporate attempt to monetise the sharing of human experience.

Before Louise Munch tries to claim I am enjoying all the benefits of capitalism, the licence payer funded programme is available on the following licence payer funded on line service:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b016bz95/Have_I_Got_News_for_You_Series_42_Episode_2/

16:20 into programme.

– And just to remind Louise Munch, only 1% of the population are actually enjoying “all” the benefits of capitalism – and they are only able to do so, because we paid out taxes to keep them in work.

All great “Let’s tease the Tory” points, but the thing I would criticise her for is not preparing the one killer line to complete her argument:

“Why are these anti-capitalist protestors choosing to patronise and enrich global mega-corporation Starbucks INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE MANY INDEPENDENT COFFEE SHOPS just nearby (Grace St. Paul’s, for example)? Was it just because Starbucks was a few seconds less of a walk or a few pence cheaper (doubt that…)?”

That would have been game over. She should have done her research more fully, but her general line of argument was not wrong.

Personally, my point would be that the current problems are caused by privatising gains but socialising losses. That is not capitalism. It was a failure of leadership to face up to a potentially unpopular decision in 2007/8. But we had a leader who “saved the world”.

Failing banks and other failing companies should have declared bankruptcy and defaulted, with intact competitors taking over the customers and viable bits of their businesses. Countries that cannot repay need to default too and start again spending much less. THAT is capitalism. Sure, traumatic for a few weeks or months, but we would be a lot further down the road to recovery now.

@19 Assuming the majority were patronising Starbucks and not independent coffee shops, and that she wasn’t just constructing a lazy stereotype.

Why does a failed attempt at humour on a middle of the road comedy tv show merit the valuable space of an article on here? Sunny must be ever so insecure if he feels that an over the top putting the boot in on an MP in such circumstances validates his own views on the subject in hand.

Certainly criticise an MP (of whatever party) for what they say in public life – but to go to town for what they say on a comedy show? A bit pathetic don’t you think?

The protesters have not helped themselves in trying to curry favour with the public by coming across as appearing to condemn all capitalism without suggesting an alternative system or suggesting ways to make the system we live under fairer.

I am sure no one would want to nationalise the production and sale of coffee (as opposed to sensible nationalisations such as the railways and main utilities); yet some on the left maybe have a problem in actually saying out loud – yes we agree coffee is best left to the markets.

@21 Valuable space? Is the internet nearly full? Why not criticise a politician over what they say on a comedy show? Why do they appear on comedy shows when they have no sense of humour? Was she paid for appearing?

Starbucks is a triumph of marketing, not quality of coffee. Give ’em a few years and it’ll be Pequods vs QueeQuegs.

@21 Valuable space? Is the internet nearly full? Why not criticise what a politician says on a comedy show? Why do they even appear on comedy shows when they obviously have no sense of humour? Was she paid by the BBC?

Starbucks is a triumph of marketing, not quality coffee or price. Give ’em a few years and it’ll be Pequods vs QueeQuegs

24. Steve Devine

What a nob!


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  2. Peter Coville

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  3. Andy Pennick

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  7. Spir.Sotiropoulou

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  9. Will Black

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  10. Hannah Rawson

    Now this is what's known as verbally setting someone on fire. Good work lads. She's a disgrace to disgraceful Tories. http://t.co/l8JnoPbp

  11. Dr Isabel M Scott

    OH MY GOD THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL. RT @libcon: Watch: Louise Mensch MP gets ridiculed on HIGNFY over #occupyLSX jokes http://t.co/OWyHzMam

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    Ouch “@sunny_hundal Watch @LouiseMensch getting ridiculed on HIGNFY over #occupyLSX http://t.co/5iGLTjon (ht @latentexistence)” #FAIL #PWND

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    Ouch “@sunny_hundal Watch @LouiseMensch getting ridiculed on HIGNFY over #occupyLSX http://t.co/5iGLTjon (ht @latentexistence)” #FAIL #PWND

  15. Barrie Hall

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  16. Tom King

    If you've ever had a latte you don't count http://t.co/VXw53hqi

  17. emma beckett

    This is one of the funniest things I've watched in ages: http://t.co/ywUP2eLE

  18. Martin Fivehats

    OH MY GOD THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL. RT @libcon: Watch: Louise Mensch MP gets ridiculed on HIGNFY over #occupyLSX jokes http://t.co/OWyHzMam

  19. James Doleman

    Louise Mensch get pwnd on have I got news for you over #occupylsx http://t.co/fpbEwAzV

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    Watch: Mensch ridiculed on HIGNFY #occupyLSX | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/fsoBFZZ3 via @libcon …entertaining….

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  23. bijal

    @TheYoungTurks http://t.co/5tPXK2UG < from popular bbc panel show

  24. Talha Aquil

    The right continues to be wrongfooted over Occupy: http://t.co/gHMcboPn Mensch is thick as usual but loving Merton and Hislop.

  25. Soton_Unite

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  27. fiona wordsbird

    And this, ladles and jellyspoons, is what passes for my MP… http://t.co/BTKBXd8q

  28. Thomas Hemingford

    If you've ever had a latte you don't count http://t.co/VXw53hqi

  29. Thomas Hemingford

    Watch: Louise Mensch MP gets ridiculed on HIGNFY over #occupyLSX jokes http://t.co/INV8x5PO

  30. Thomas Hemingford

    And this, ladles and jellyspoons, is what passes for my MP… http://t.co/BTKBXd8q

  31. PlutoPress

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  34. James Eagle

    Those Soviet dissidents, eh? Eating produce of collective farms & then criticising the system that gave them everything http://t.co/28lo1Wbl

  35. Dicky Moore

    Those Soviet dissidents, eh? Eating produce of collective farms & then criticising the system that gave them everything http://t.co/28lo1Wbl

  36. DC

    Those Soviet dissidents, eh? Eating produce of collective farms & then criticising the system that gave them everything http://t.co/28lo1Wbl

  37. Gael

    OH MY GOD THIS IS SO BEAUTIFUL. RT @libcon: Watch: Louise Mensch MP gets ridiculed on HIGNFY over #occupyLSX jokes http://t.co/OWyHzMam

  38. Gael

    And this, ladles and jellyspoons, is what passes for my MP… http://t.co/BTKBXd8q

  39. Peter Coville

    "@Toby_Clements: Protesters fighting Capitalism while buying coffee from Starbucks, brilliant. #OccupyLSX" Watch this: http://t.co/RLNVjTOh

  40. David Harney

    "@Toby_Clements: Protesters fighting Capitalism while buying coffee from Starbucks, brilliant. #OccupyLSX" Watch this: http://t.co/RLNVjTOh

  41. Rob Walker

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  42. Steve Percival

    Ah, a Tory demonstrating she's absolutely in touch, just like the 18 cabinet members who are millionaires: http://t.co/WAnUNeAW via @libcon

  43. Gavin Morrison

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  45. Complex

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  46. Riot

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  47. Alistair Cain

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    Coffee and capitalism RT @libcon: Watch: Louise Mensch MP on HIGNFY over #occupyLSX jokes http://t.co/vg8vTBLq

  49. Craig Brooks

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  50. Paul McEwan

    On the plus side it's good to see another ego driven popularity seeking mp look like a dick;

    http://t.co/ns7xMUBm

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    Here's the offending #HIGNFY clip http://t.co/d7RP91kz Hislop & Merton have long & ignoble history of ganging up on female panellists

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    rt @catherine_mayer
    offending #HIGNFY clip http://t.co/DCbk8zQ1 Hislop&Merton have long ignoble history of ganging up on female panellists

  57. Hazel Ruthven

    Got to admit I've never been keen on the Bagshawe/ Mensch woman – so quite enjoyed this #HIGNFY clip http://t.co/s20smiTv

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    Here's the offending #HIGNFY clip http://t.co/d7RP91kz Hislop & Merton have long & ignoble history of ganging up on female panellists

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    rt @catherine_mayer
    offending #HIGNFY clip http://t.co/DCbk8zQ1 Hislop&Merton have long ignoble history of ganging up on female panellists

  60. Jessica Adams

    @catherine_mayer – Louise Mensch held her own in this http://t.co/CS15KwU6 but it was hands-over-eyes TV.

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    @mrharrycole you trying to channel Louise Mensch's lame "if they buy starbucks they can't protest" line? Response: http://t.co/sXOS1PWy

  66. sunny hundal

    @charlotteahenry there is already a response to you, and I can't do it better than these chaps 🙂 http://t.co/sXOS1PWy

  67. Pia Muzaffar

    @willonline Louise Mensch already tried the "if you buy coffee you can't protest" line on #hignfy http://t.co/u2NgDwV5

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  73. Thomas Hemingford

    Dopey tory Louise Mensch MP demonstrates her intellect – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #cuts #Dec19

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    Dopey tory Louise Mensch MP demonstrates her intellect – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #cuts #Dec21

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    Dopey tory Louise Mensch MP demonstrates her intellect – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #cuts #Dec21

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    Dopey tory Louise Mensch MP demonstrates her intellect – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #cuts #Dec27

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    “@THemingford: Tory Louise Mensch MP shows her LACK of intellect – http://t.co/2AiG1pf9 #HIGNFY #cuts #Dec27” shouldnt mock the afflicted!!!

  82. Thomas Hemingford

    Louise Mensch ripped to pieces – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #BBC #Jan1

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    Louise Mensch ripped to pieces – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #BBC #Jan1

  84. Thomas Hemingford

    Dopey tory Louise Mensch MP demonstrates her intellect – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #cuts #Jan1

  85. Thomas Hemingford

    Louise Mensch ripped to pieces – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #BBC #Jan2

  86. Vernon Wayne Howell

    Make Tea not War, Consume Coffee not Capitalism: Louise Mensch MP for Corby BBC #HIGNFY Oct 2011 4min vid http://t.co/jHlZtUHB #OccupyLondon

  87. Thomas Hemingford

    Dopey tory Louise Mensch MP demonstrates her intellect – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #cuts #Jan3

  88. Thomas Hemingford

    Louise Mensch MP demonstrates great stupidity – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #BBC #Jan3

  89. Thomas Hemingford

    Dopey tory Louise Mensch MP demonstrates her intellect – http://t.co/fa3sphGd #HIGNFY #cuts #Jan3

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