We killed the News of the World! [updated]


by Sunny Hundal    
4:46 pm - July 7th 2011

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My view – post updated

In the end, Rupert and James Murdoch decided to ditch their employees instead of the people really responsible for phone-hacking. That is a decision we had no influence over.

However, I express no regret in running (with Political Scrapbook, FB groups) a highly successful campaign to persuade advertisers to boycott the Sunday tabloid. We wanted it to own up to all its mistakes and it still hasn’t done that.

Without the ads – the newspaper was as good as dead.

We continuously harassed press officers, we ran running tallies of boycotts, we focused on top advertisers and kept the story running. In short, we ran a guerilla campaign using all the tools at our disposal to make our voices heard. It is what it is. The blame for job losses lies with the Murdochs not us.

More statements below:

Statements on TV:

Ed Miliband:

People have shown their revulsion at the hacking of the phones of Milly Dowler, the 7/7 victims and the families of fallen soldiers.

But the one person who seems to be staying in her job is the woman who was editor at the time of the hacking of Milly Dowler’s phone and who is now Chief Executive of News International.

News International cannot deal with these allegations properly while she continues to be in place.

Labour culture minister Ivan Lewis: “If [closing NotW] a tactic, it will be treated with genuine contempt”

Independent editor Chris Blackhurst: “I don’t think we should be fooled by what Mr Murdoch has done today.”

John Prescott on Sky News: “If they produce the Sunday Sun, quite frankly that does not change the culture”

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Update: James Murdoch’s full statement below.

“I have important things to say about the News of the World and the steps we are taking to address the very serious problems that have occurred.
It is only right that you as colleagues at News International are first to hear what I have to say and that you hear it directly from me.

You do not need to be told that the News of the World is 168 years old. That it is read by more people than any other English language newspaper. That it has enjoyed support from Britain’s largest advertisers. And that it has a proud history of fighting crime, exposing wrong-doing and regularly setting the news agenda for the nation.

When I tell people why I am proud to be part of News Corporation, I say that our commitment to journalism and a free press is one of the things that sets us apart. Your work is a credit to this.
The good things the News of the World does, however, have been sullied by behaviour that was wrong. Indeed, if recent allegations are true, it was inhuman and has no place in our Company.
The News of the World is in the business of holding others to account. But it failed when it came to itself.

In 2006, the police focused their investigations on two men. Both went to jail. But the News of the World and News International failed to get to the bottom of repeated wrongdoing that occurred without conscience or legitimate purpose. Wrongdoers turned a good newsroom bad and this was not fully understood or adequately pursued.

As a result, the News of the World and News International wrongly maintained that these issues were confined to one reporter. We now have voluntarily given evidence to the police that I believe will prove that this was untrue and those who acted wrongly will have to face the consequences.

This was not the only fault.

The paper made statements to Parliament without being in the full possession of the facts. This was wrong.

The Company paid out-of-court settlements approved by me. I now know that I did not have a complete picture when I did so. This was wrong and is a matter of serious regret.
Currently, there are two major and ongoing police investigations. We are cooperating fully and actively with both. You know that it was News International who voluntarily brought evidence that led to opening Operation Weeting and Operation Elveden. This full cooperation will continue until the Police’s work is done.

We have also admitted liability in civil cases. Already, we have settled a number of prominent cases and set up a Compensation Scheme, with cases to be adjudicated by former High Court judge Sir Charles Gray. Apologising and making amends is the right thing to do.

Inside the Company, we set up a Management and Standards Committee that is working on these issues and that has hired Olswang to examine past failings and recommend systems and practices that over time should become standards for the industry. We have committed to publishing Olswang’s terms of reference and eventual recommendations in a way that is open and transparent.
We have welcomed broad public inquiries into press standards and police practices and will cooperate with them fully.

So, just as I acknowledge we have made mistakes, I hope you and everyone inside and outside the Company will acknowledge that we are doing our utmost to fix them, atone for them, and make sure they never happen again.

Having consulted senior colleagues, I have decided that we must take further decisive action with respect to the paper.
This Sunday will be the last issue of the News of the World.

Colin Myler will edit the final edition of the paper.

In addition, I have decided that all of the News of the World’s revenue this weekend will go to good causes.
While we may never be able to make up for distress that has been caused, the right thing to do is for every penny of the circulation revenue we receive this weekend to go to organisations – many of whom are long-term friends and partners – that improve life in Britain and are devoted to treating others with dignity.

We will run no commercial advertisements this weekend. Any advertising space in this last edition will be donated to causes and charities that wish to expose their good works to our millions of readers.
These are strong measures. They are made humbly and out of respect. I am convinced they are the right thing to do.

Many of you, if not the vast majority of you, are either new to the Company or have had no connection to the News of the World during the years when egregious behaviour occurred.
I can understand how unfair these decisions may feel. Particularly, for colleagues who will leave the Company. Of course, we will communicate next steps in detail and begin appropriate consultations.

You may see these changes as a price loyal staff at the News of the World are paying for the transgressions of others. So please hear me when I say that your good work is a credit to journalism. I do not want the legitimacy of what you do to be compromised by acts of others. I want all journalism at News International to be beyond reproach. I insist that this organisation lives up to the standard of behaviour we expect of others. And, finally, I want you all to know that it is critical that the integrity of every journalist who has played fairly is restored.

Thank you.
James Murdoch
Deputy Chief Operating Officer
Chairman and CEO, International, News Corporation

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WTF! Wow

Buying BSkyB must be that important!

Its not remorse, its the getting caught.

Murdoch: This Sunday will be the last issue of the News of the World.

…and the Sunday after that…? Murdoch won’t forfeit a 2.6m circulation that easily.

4. Torykilla

You cut one of the hydra’s heads off that’s all.

Note the News of the World could easily be replaced by another edition of the Sun (indeed, Guido reckons that is the case). (Although as the Sunday Sun is a separate, non NI, paper, that could present a few problems.)

Even so, this is quite astonishing – either there were rationalisation plans afoot anyway, something was deeply wrong with News of the World, or News International wanted to wrongfoot everybody…

According to Michael White on Twitter:

News Corp still lying. Closing the NoW will allow them to streamline the operation, save cash and launch the seven day Sunday Sun

Or as Shakespeare put it:

We have scotched the snake, not killed it;
She’ll close and be herself, while our poor malice
Remains in danger of her former tooth.
(Macbeth)

yeah we will get the Sun on Sunday or something, so what, this time they wont spend years hacking the phones of realitives of murder victims. Surely that was the point. Well done to the LC for being a part of this wonderful day though, seriously this has really made a depressing week a bit more happy. People power did work and Murdoch press aint all that powerful.

WIN!

whats wrong with getting a Sun On Sunday, they might understand that if they go around breaking the law in such a sick way they will have to shut down the whole stinking Sun newspaper. Murdoch’s biggest paper is on a yellow card.

Good fucking riddance!

So you’ve helped put some 200 people out of work…

The Sun will just go seven days a week, and people will still buy it this Sunday for the novelty factor.

13. redpesto

Will we know it’s really over over when he ditches Page 3?

And the problem is News International, not just the News of the World. If this doesn’t die down then Coulson will be the second sacrificial lamb.

15. frank tv
16. Watchman

Will we know it’s really over over when he ditches Page 3?

How is that logically relevant? You might not like it, but it is hardly comparable to phone hacking by most moral standards (any feminist who disagrees, please note the most…).

As the NoTW hasn’t had Page 3 for a while now, whilst the Sun does, we may actually have ended up with more Page 3…

@11 – very weak.

18. Matthew Evans

Sunday Sun launches a week later.

I just feel that this is a massive publicity stunt and really quick way of clearing the decks of staff without causing a furore about dismantling a British media tradition. They are also hoping the charity goodwill will bring people to buy the very last News of the World, where they will spring the brand new News International newspaper. Its great business sense and gets them out from under all the nasty scrutiny. It doesn’t stop me feeling sick about the corporation though. Once more the employees are being sacrificed on the altar of Murdoch greed, and the desire to control more media in Britain.

20. blackwillow1

Do’nt believe the hype, the Sun(fucking rag), the Times(snooty, right wing posh rag), these newspapers remain the mouthpieces of Murdoch, expect a ramping-up of the dogma and the diatribe, telling us how terrible the NOTW has behaved, but how other newspapers have probably done the same thing, and how NI and NEWS CORP are being victimised. Murdoch dumped NOTW to save his own skin, what you might expect from the unscrupulous old cunt. I’ve said it on here already, but I’ll say it again. DO’NT LET MURDOCH OFF THE HOOK! He will do whatever it takes to keep himself out of the shit, the main aim being to finalise the bSKYb deal. Rupert Murdoch, James Murdoch, Brooks, Coulson, are these the kind of people who are ‘fit and proper’ to be in control of the media? The Sunday Sun, anyone? They ca’nt be trusted, any of them, the total withdrawal of the Murdoch family and their minions from the UK media is the only way to go. No doubt the gap would be filled by more right wingers, but differing opinions are what make a democracy,well, democratic. Getting rid of this particular bunch of arseholes is less to do with their politics, everything to do with decency, morality and basic humanity. All those claiming they had no knowledge of what went on, they must be made to prove it. Beyond any doubt, otherwise the suspicion will remain for evermore.

This was registered two days ago: http://www.whois.net/whois/thesunonsunday.com

I’m sure that Michael White makes an important point – but a fair proportion of ex NOTW readers will transfer to the Sunday Mirror, not the Sun on Sunday: Murdoch will look for ways to keep x NOTW readers, but he does not have a magic wand Another group will just stop getting a Sunday Paper at all.

So still a big blow to Murdoch, whatever ways he tries to remediate it. Plus he is showing weakness generally, which infects Cameron because of his close “Chipping Norton Set” links to the Dirty Digger.

Murdoch seems to be , partly, sacrificing the NOTW to keep Rebekah Wade (!?), so I think she would be a good target to keep aiming at.

23. Chaminda

A load of people who had nothing to do with phone hacking are losing their jobs to keep Rebekah Brooks in her job. Until Brooks and James Murdoch are out, and until the BSkyB takeover is dead, this isn’t over. Never thought I’d say this, but over to you Ed Miliband.

24. Baying Lynch Mob

So the “big final issue” will ensure it goes out with some respectable sales figures, rather than trailing off as readers wise up. And it sets a precedent for what should happen if any other paper is found to have a less than pristine past.

25. frank tv

oh ffs, seriously, I dont care if the Sun becomes a 7 a day week newspaper, did you really doubt that they would get rid of the biggest selling weekly and not replace it with the same shit. I thought the point was to say that what the news of the world had done wasn’t acceptable. Which it wasnt and so the News Of The World has had to go. Then if the new Sun Sunday newspaper does the same thing then its time The Sun has to go.

Re 20

Blackwillow1

Agreed. We should be targeting all News International outlets. And indeed that is what Watford Coalition of Resistance said in our emails to the various advertisers yesterday.

@ 11….such shame, still its better then masturbating over the corpses of over 300 Argentine conscripts or 96 Liverpool FC supporters…which is pretty much what NI did.

28. Dan Factor

As usual when those at the very top of a company won’t take responsibility for their failings the employees at the bottom take the flake!

I got a feelin they were going to go down when i woke this morning but not so soon. Great news. I don’t reckon this will be the end of it all. Hopefully this will release a tidal wave which will sweep over every journalist who has behaved this way. What a great day.

This is off top of my head and i’ll have to look it up, but question may arise of whether J Murdoch has broken law (Consultation of Employees Regulations 2004?) by announcing redundancies without prior consultation with employees.

31. what BBC six o clock news should be

HEADLINES TODAY – IN YOUR FACE RUPERT!

Incidentally, as Murdoch prepares the Sun on Sunday, worth remembering this : If you ever thought the Sun read like a rant from a mean spirited hypocritical drunk, that’s because it was. Former editor David Yelland admitted to being drunk in charge of the Sun , saying “”How did I do that if I was so drunk?”: The answer is I did it because I was so drunk – the two habits went hand in hand.” Yelland found it easier to be in charge while drunk because , in his words “”my job was to pick out people the country could judge to make us all feel better. One day it would be a paedophile, another a fallen politician.” It was better not to be sober, he said “The Sun was a dangerous place for me to be, because my addictive traits were big box office. I was actually paid to rush to judgement, paid to lash out and attack – it was perfect territory for the drunk.”

And Murdoch was well aware of this – Yelland was so drunk that he turned up for a meeting with Murdoch wearing two shirts and two ties. He’d fallen asleep fully clothed, woke up without realising this and got dressed all over again. He met Murdoch in this odd attire, and the Dirty Digger just carried on.

Ed Miliband’sstatement on NOTW closure (maybe you should make this a post in itself) is pretty good (not often I say that, but he is following my advice)

“People have shown their revulsion at the hacking of the phones of Milly Dowler, the 7/7 victims and the families of fallen soldiers.

But the one person who seems to be staying in her job is the woman who was editor at the time of the hacking of Milly Dowler’s phone and who is now Chief Executive of News International.

News International cannot deal with these allegations properly while she continues to be in place.”

http://edmiliband.org/2011/07/07/my-reaction-to-the-news-of-the-world-announcement/

34. Chaise Guevara

@ 11 ukliberty

“So you’ve helped put some 200 people out of work…”

I’m curious: do you really see the downfall of a corrupt, lying paper carrying out invasive and illegal practices as a bad thing? Or are you just unable to see a parade go by without pissing on it? Is every left-wing success to be called failure just because it put people out of work, and regardless of whether or not it’s likely to put people into work as well?

All those at the NotW are being rehired elsewhere within news international. There are no job losses. Repeat, 200 odd people are not out of a job. Concern trolling on that particular issue can now cease.

36. Charles Wheeler

Damage limitation. There’s a bigger prize for the long-term. This is intended to clear the way.

Meanwhile, Murdoch sits above the fray as his lieutenants take the flak.

It’s far too early to congratulate yourself. Murdoch has just hacked off a tentacle in order to escape the trap. He can grow another and meanwhile his tentacles continue to grow and strangle at will.

38. kernow jim

Now boycott all his disgusting publications, keep up pressure on advertising revenue on Sun etc.

From the NUJ: http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=2152

All NUJ members at NOTW were pure as the driven snow. Apparently.

Murdoch is running scared, there must be so much more to this. There can be no reasonable doubt that top people at Newscorp have plenty more skeletons rattling that closet door. I do hope this keeps on building, Fleet Street has had it coming for so long.

How long until the contagion spreads to other tabloids?

” telling us how terrible the NOTW has behaved, but how other newspapers have probably done the same thing, ”

And they’re probably correct. Which newspaper will fall next? The Sunday Mirror?

What happens now to any evidence that may be lurking in the building? WIll a court have to bring an injunction not to move anything or will Murdoch just disperse everything (except statutory stuff: VAT & payroll records, etc)?

“disperse or destroy” is what I meant to say above.

It will have been for nothing if Murdoch just gets away and starts a new Newspaper using the same tactics as before. We cannot just let him away with that. I will be e-mailing the same people and asking their position regarding this new paper, once it is announced.

44. Charlieman

Did anyone get a bet on this happening? What were the odds?

45. Mr Eugenides

The title of this blog post reminds me irresistibly of Spike Milligan’s “Adolf Hitler: My part in his downfall”. Yup, Murdoch shut down the Screws because of Liberal Conspiracy. Riiiiiight.

46. redpesto

@watchman:

Will we know it’s really over over when he ditches Page 3?

How is that logically relevant?

Note to self: must add knowing wink to posts.

We’ll really know it’s over when NI goes bust.

11 – ukliberty

Haha I didn’t realise Sunny was secretly CEO of News Corp. He kept that secret well.

48. Mr S. Pill

@45

No, he shut it down because it was no longer commercially viable because of advertisers pulling out due to immense public pressure on said companies helped in a large part by Liberal Conspiracy organising the aforementioned pressure (listing companies, spreading the word via facebook and twitter etc). But headlines as we know have to be shortened, and I think in this particular case it’s rather fucking accurate. Too bad if you don’t like the fact that there’s one less right-wing rag on the market to promote hate and social division :D

Corporate speak “ the people at the top are paid big bucks because they have to take responsibility and risks” HA HA HA

No, once again, it is Joe Ordinary that takes the hit.

This is so cynical it is untrue. Chanel 4 reporting that the domain name The sun on Sunday was registered a few days ago.
Brooks has not got an ounce of decency in her body. What a bitch.

Sun sub-editors have walked out

“In solidarity with colleagues at the News of the World, tonight Sub-Editors at The Sun newspaper have walked out of work in protest. At the same time as the protest, inside the building, News of the World staff were being told about the redundancies. The company has told staff they will receive a 90 day payment which covers the legally required consultation period for job cuts.
This exposes the cynical deceit of James Murdoch who earlier today said: “We will communicate next steps in detail and begin appropriate consultation.”

Oh dear, staff working for a far right wing anti strke piece of shit go on strike when their own jobs are on the line. Fuck you!

I do think that the popular outrage about the NotW and the campaign against it have made the Murdochs think twice and decide to cut their losses, having realised that the paper has become a millstone around their necks.

I also think that the Murdochs will get away with it — that is, they won’t suffer in the long run or even medium run — as not only will they be back with some other populist rag for Sunday, but the blame for the scandal will be put on their minions here, who will be thrown to the wolves.

~Didn’t Rupert close The Times once , and it stayed closed in the early 80s for about a year ?

Not quite.

It’s true that the Times didn’t publish from December 1978 until some time in November 1979, owing to an industrial dispute, but that was before Murdoch bought it from the Thomson corporation in 1981.

54. Charlieman

@50. sally: “Oh dear, staff working for a far right wing anti strke piece of shit go on strike when their own jobs are on the line.”

Sally, you didn’t read the piece that you quoted: “In solidarity with colleagues at the News of the World, tonight Sub-Editors at The Sun newspaper have walked out of work in protest.”

In solidarity, an expression that you would understand if your sentiments were genuine.

55. Mr Grunt

For Telephone Hacking to have gone on, on this scale, it is completely impossible that those right at the top did not know about it. For a start it would have involved paying people with the expertise and connections to organize and operate such illegal activities and that costs an aweful amount of money that someone high up, would have Authorized and you dont do that without permission from those right at the top. James Murdoch is trying to make us believe that the Boss Rupert Murdoch did not know or sign off the money for these illegal activities when so much money must have been involved. It is no wonder that the Murdochs are trying to protect Brooks because she is obviously the path to the truth. I suspect that Brooks is going to make a lot of money out of this somewhere down the line to keep her mouth shut unless she cracks and then she has a big story to sell. I wonder why it was that she chose not to go to the sellect committee to be questioned ? What has a good, decent, honest person like Brooks that is a close friend of the serving Prime-Minister David Cameron got to hide ?

In addition to that, the Ex-Editor of The News of the World Andy Culson was given an important, sensitive job in Downing Street as Head of Communication even though David Cameron knew that Andy Culson was implicated in crime (Phone Hacking).

It looks to me as though “They Are All in it Together” as George Osborne likes to famously say.

Lastly this entire episode has been a complete and utter insult and Diabolical Disgrace to everyone in this country. I personally believe that Rupert Murdoch and his Media Companies have demonstrated that they are corrupt and unfit to run or be trusted with operating businesses in the United Kingdom. I also believe that Parliament should come together again as a matter of urgency with the view of Barring/Banning the Murdochs or associates from ever running businesses in the United Kingdom again.

56. theophrastus

Sorry, but what’s the News of the World??

57. blackwillow1

HOLY SHIT BATMAN! ANDY COULSON TO BE FORMALLY ARRESTED TROMORROW MORNING! NEWSNIGHT TONIGHT!

58. Charles Wheeler

Chris Hedges’s timely report on the machinations at the NYT show that the decadence of our own press is mirrored elsewhere: http://goo.gl/LCEcW

“The Times newsroom, like most corporate nerve centers, is a labyrinth of intrigue, gossip, back-biting, rumor, false piety, rampant ambition, betrayal and deception. Those who play this game well are repugnant. They are also usually the people who run the place.

When you allow an institution to provide you with your identity and sense of self-worth you become an obsequious pawn, no matter how much talent you possess. You live in perpetual fear of what those in authority think of you and might do to you. This mechanism of internalized control—for you always need them more than they need you—is effective. The rules of advancement at the paper are never clearly defined or written down. Careerists pay lip service to the stated ideals of the institution, which are couched in lofty rhetoric about balance, impartiality and neutrality, but astutely grasp the actual guiding principle of the paper, which is: Do not significantly alienate the corporate and political power elite on whom the institution depends for access and money. Those who master this duplicitous game do well.”

“Sally, you didn’t read the piece that you quoted: “In solidarity with colleagues at the News of the World, tonight Sub-Editors at The Sun newspaper have walked out of work in protest.”

The Sun and NOW are the same bunch of shit. The point I am makeing which stands, is that a bunch of right wing workers who trash unions and the right to stike, go on strike because of their fellow workers getting the push.

It is quite simple really but trolls like you will always try to defend the brownshirts.

“HOLY SHIT BATMAN! ANDY COULSON TO BE FORMALLY ARRESTED TROMORROW MORNING! NEWSNIGHT TONIGHT!”

Well not surprising since he has probably perjured himself by telling a court he did not pay the police.

Why is anyone interested in listening to the opinions of Alistair Campbell?

He was sucking up to Murdoch although the Blair years and now he thinks we want to listen to his views. We know what you are Campbell. A piece of shit. Telling us how sorry you are for the staff at NOW. Fuck you!

And fuck Piers Morgan who claims this whole thing is the same as wickileakes.

62. blackwillow1

Sally is feeling VERY FUCKING ANGRY! Calm down dear, Campbell is just chipping in with every man and his dog. Cameron, on the other hand, is being rather reserved. He tried to claim the call for a public inquiry, after all the rest, but he is’nt really making much noise. Call me a cynic, but I am dying to know just what he is dying for us not to know. Maybe he made a deal with Murdoch, he drives the economy into the shit, News Corp keep us all distracted with a billion channels, news that they want us to read and the internet, saturated with the things that they want us to see. Unreliably, as is our way, we voters did’nt come through with a top result. So now the tower starts to wobble, Murdoch throws bodies from the top floor, clinging on for dear life. The question is, will he toss Cameron, his best bitch out the window? Or, will Cameron get in first, a pre-emptive strike? Maybe neither camp is able to shoot first, in case the weapon backfires. Interesting, intriguing times are upon us.

Unless you continue your campaign and get advertiser to boycott all NI companies UNTIL senior managers are forced to take responsibilty.then all you’ve achieved is the loss of 200 jobs to working class and lower middle class people.

I’d almost suspect you were covert NI employee

Haha I didn’t realise Sunny was secretly CEO of News Corp. He kept that secret well.

He’s the one claiming influence, not I.

Bloody hell it’s gonna be good seeing Coulson in the dock – here’s praying Brooks will follow her…

Dream scenario would be Rupert and Conman Black sharing a cell – or is that being overly optimistic?

http://outspokenrabbit.blogspot.com/

Apologies but it’s worth asking – is a NOTW bonfire planned anywhere on Sunday? If we can all stomach buying one copy each I’m game…

Mark Stephens, (media lawyer, for example, for Assange) just said on News24 that they ‘can start shredding now’–because there is no legal requirement to keep records of companies that have been shut down.

If this is true, I suggest someone needs to get down to NotW and ‘secure the crime scene.’

Forgot to say thanks to you and all those involved for your speedy, well-planned and well-executed work on this.

69. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells

then all you’ve achieved is the loss of 200 jobs to working class and lower middle class people.

Unfortunately these were non jobs that required society to subsidise them morally and legally, the status quo was untenable.

Don’t worry though, the compassionate and merciful safety net they helped shape and incite will doubtless see them right.

So you’ve helped put some 200 people out of work…

But didn’t Newscorp always claim that people were better off on benefits than working?

With the police and government both involved in this, we will never get justice. Is it true that the Queen can get rid of the government if enough of the population wanted it? Would there have to be a petition signed by a majority of the country?

72. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells

But didn’t Newscorp always claim that people were better off on benefits than working?

Quite, they’ll be down the dss tomorrow claiming their free car and chelsea penthouse.

Is it true that the Queen can get rid of the government if enough of the population wanted it?

There’s not a lot whole lot the monarch can’t do, but if she didn’t step in during the worst excesses of NL (Blair’s flirtation with eugenics for example) she won’t do so now.

“In the end, Rupert and James Murdoch decided to ditch their employees instead of the people really responsible for phone-hacking. That is a decision we had no influence over.”

So what exactly are you gloating about?

He’s managed to pave the way for a seven day Sun which will no doubt boost his margins while dressing it up some sort of expiation and not only is the left not protesting at his callous treatment of these workers he’s actually signed some of us up to cheer him on as they’re cynically thrown under the bus.

He may be a shit but you have to admit the man’s a genius.

“We killed the news of the world!”

Dreams, not reality Sunny. You are clearly fucking delusional.

“The blame for job losses lies with the Murdochs not us.”

So people losing jobs is ok wen it’s at some company you don’t like, but it’s all the evil Tories fault otherwise.

Honestly, you are a hypocritical little shit aren’t you?

@ Tyler

Diddums!

But Tyler – they’re not job losses, they’re *efficiency savings*. Remember how that works?

77. Tom (iow)

My prediction for what it’s worth: the paper will not return as the Sunday Sun, as this would be too obvious. The good luck of the weekly paper having a different name will be relied on to keep the Sun brand uncontaminated.

Next, similar allegations will be made against rival newspapers with the demand that they shut down in their entirety.

“As the NoTW hasn’t had Page 3 for a while now, whilst the Sun does, we may actually have ended up with more Page 3…”

It might not have had a page 3, but there was still tits all over the paper.

79. Chaise Guevara

@ 64 UKliberty

“He’s the one claiming influence, not I.”

@ 74

“So people losing jobs is ok wen it’s at some company you don’t like, but it’s all the evil Tories fault otherwise. ”

The people who lost their jobs at NotW (and I’m not going to crow, because they’re human beings and many of them are probably blameless) can blame the newspaper’s management for deciding to risk the entire enterprise by engaging in illegal activities. It is a shame that they’ve been screwed like this by Murdoch and his cronies: first their bosses treated their jobs with no concern at all, then they were sacrificed in the name of cauterizing the NotW to save Murdoch’s other enterprises.

However, this doesn’t mean that when an organization like NotW is revealed as being a corrupt and corruptive entity, people on the left should keep schtum simply because the organization’s downfall might result in a net loss of jobs. It’s simply unreasonable to expect the left to accept a system where any objectionable practice should be put up with as long as it employs people.

Can you really not see the difference between this and the coalition plans, Tyler? OK: the coalition is threatening the jobs of thousands of people who work for the benefit of the country, for reasons that are driven by a callous ideology. The closure of the NotW threatens 200 jobs in the process of ridding us of a organ kept afloat by spreading hate and indulging in illegal activities – and that’s the fault of the company, not its detractors.

Is it true that the Queen can get rid of the government if enough of the population wanted it?

Yes. It’s called an Election. You may remember we had one a year or so ago.

Tim J,

Is it true that the Queen can get rid of the government if enough of the population wanted it?

Yes. It’s called an Election. You may remember we had one a year or so ago.

Technically she can if she believes parliament has no popular support but the last time that was tried (mid-seventeenth century) didn’t work out too well…

82. Mr S. Pill

James Murdoch had two choices: sack 200 workers or sack one executive.

Those crying about the 200 may wish to join the rest of us in questioning capitalism & how it is that an employer can treat its employees so terribly. Maybe we’ll have more balanced reporting on industrial disputes, unemployed people, etc ? We can hope.

Next, similar allegations will be made against rival newspapers with the demand that they shut down in their entirety.

Very possible, see for example page 9 of What Price Privacy Now

One or two commentators here need to check reality – yes, there has been a victory for a those (mainly on the left wing, but there has been plenty of anti-establishment feeling from the likes of Guido) who oppose News International’s stranglehold on the media. Well done, you’ve probably done the world a favour.

However, this decision leaves problems – pushing on now (other than to get Ms Brooks, which is more likely to be a police action anyway) is going to start looking punitive. As Mr Cameron does not work for News International, and can happily claim Mr Coulson lied to him (which if he is convicted of perjury would become quite plausible) and that his friendship with Ms Brooks is personal (I would still remain friends with those I like even if I disapproved of their actions – it’s quite a defendable action really), I suspect any damage will be short term. Association with News International will also reflect badly on Labour, so political gain from this can only be limited. Boris Johnson, the next major Conservative electoral candidate, has a very bad relationship with News International as far as I know, so is hardly vulnerable on this.

So it is a victory, but against corrupt practices. It may be some form of victory against News International, as they will lose revenue and readers to some extent, and it may well scupper their chances of taking over BSkyB (which they already somehow control remember…); I can see the Conservatives happily blocking that deal, as the risk is minimal (News International are vulnerable at the moment in the UK, and the Sun at least always goes with its readers feelings in its editorial line) and the ability to be seen to do the right thing clear.

Incidentally, for all of you who assume Rupert Murdoch is a Conservative, it is worth remembering that he is actually a republican who is accussed of using the Sun and Times to push an anti-royal line in the period after the death of Princess Diana (stupid things such as the flag not flying at half mast at Buckingham Palace (because the flag was not flying because the Queen was not in residence – as they knew full well)). You may not want to sup with the devil, but sometimes he might be your ally (at least for some of you). It is easy to get caught in a Sally/Black Willow mindset of us and them – but it does you no favours.

85. Eric Watkins

Murdoch’s priorities:

1: BSkyB
2: Succession Planning

If Brooks can be exposed as incompetent / and or negligent / and or criminal, investors will balk at her further promotion as and when Rupert hands over to James. This is a big chink in NI armour, IMHO.

@ 79 Chaise

Your arguments tend to be well reasoned and argued, but I’m afraid you’ve missed my point;

I was pointing to the general hypocrisy Sunny displays. Here he is crowing about NOW job losses, yet if people in the public sector lost their jobs he’d be busy spinning like a top.

More generally, its symptomatic of his us vs them mentality – you could substitute those NOW jobs for any of his pet hate industries and you’d have the same result.

On more general terms;

I have to disagree that all civil servants work for the benefit of the country. There are many jobs out there simply not needed. THat of course is before we get to the “pilgirims” busy working for the unions whilst on the public payroll.

In your argument you imply that all civil servants are little angels, whilst the private sector are somehow nasty and only looking after themselves. I think you’ll find that the public sector is just as self involved as the private, and the private sector makes massive contribution to the good of the country as well.

I also think you’ll find, and this is just a pure guess, is that the “rot” within NOW is probably very localised to a few people. It just tends to be so in large corporations. I’d be extremely surprised is the corruption was endemic. As for those in charge, I’d again be surprised if they actively suggested the course of action taken. I wouldn’t be surprised if hey knew at an editorial level though – but by that point, when fact checking the story, its too late – and when the practice become known to them they should have stamped down on it. Guilty by lack of condemnation if you like. But saying the whole of News International is a corrupt edifice is clearly wrong – I’m sure you’ll find people just as corrupt in all corporations. Johan Hari a good recent example, even if not at the same level as these allegations.

87. Chaise Guevara

@ 86 Tyler

“I was pointing to the general hypocrisy Sunny displays. Here he is crowing about NOW job losses, yet if people in the public sector lost their jobs he’d be busy spinning like a top. ”

I don’t deny said hypocrisy exists, and indeed abounds on this site – but where exactly is Sunny crowing about NotW job losses? Honest question, as I can’t see an example on this thread. He’s crowing about the downfall of the NotW, but that’s not the same – it doesn’t prevent you from seeing those losses as unfortunate collateral damage.

“I have to disagree that all civil servants work for the benefit of the country. There are many jobs out there simply not needed. THat of course is before we get to the “pilgirims” busy working for the unions whilst on the public payroll. ”

Sure – my point was more that state employees GENERALLY work for the benefit of the country, assuming the system is properly set up. Of course that doesn’t preclude the existence of pointless public-sector jobs.

“In your argument you imply that all civil servants are little angels, whilst the private sector are somehow nasty and only looking after themselves.”

Um, what? Please back that up, I don’t like having unfounded accusations thrown at me.

“I think you’ll find that the public sector is just as self involved as the private, and the private sector makes massive contribution to the good of the country as well.”

Go tell someone who claims otherwise.

“I also think you’ll find, and this is just a pure guess, is that the “rot” within NOW is probably very localised to a few people [...] But saying the whole of News International is a corrupt edifice is clearly wrong – I’m sure you’ll find people just as corrupt in all corporations. Johan Hari a good recent example, even if not at the same level as these allegations.”

The claims being made at the moment is that the illegal actions were sanctioned by people at the top. Regardless of whether this is true, from the sheer number of illegal breaches thus far reveal, it’s clear that it was endemic at the paper. That doesn’t mean that every single then-employee is guilty of something, but it does seem enough to condemn the paper itself.

And this is before we comment on its business model even when it kept within the law – i.e. spreading xenophobia and hounding private individuals to sell papers, while twisting facts to suit its owner’s political objectives.

I really don’t see it as an organ that deserves to be defended.

My my the little tory butler trolls are out in force. Crying into their free market clap trap.

“He’s crowing about the downfall of the NotW, but that’s not the same ”

Unless you think NI intends to abandon the Sunday tabloid market then yes it is.

90. Chaise Guevara

@ 89

Come again? Whether Murdoch replaces NotW has no bearing on whether Sunny is gloating over job losses.

Here is the link to Mark Stephen’s statement about how NotW could shred its records. The Guardian has finally also picked this up. We need to know whether this is true, and if so, start a campaign to prevent this.

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/New_York/News/2011/07_-_July/Is_Murdoch_free_to_destroy_News_of_the_World_s_records_/

Chaise,

Perhaps I was unclear. Assuming (as I think we all do) that NOTW 2.0 will hit the stands sooner rather than later, all this is is a downsizing operation and the glee is in my view misplaced. During the Wapping lockout I don’t recall anyone arguing “screw them, they typeset the “Gotcha” headline”.

Re 91

Elaine, the guardian have more about this including the following on their live blog;

But the London insolvency solicitor Rodney Hylton-Potts dismissed the idea as legally implausible. “In a liquidation, a liquidator takes over all the books and records but that does not affect the obligations of a liquidator or a director to bear in mind any criminal inquiry,” he said.

“The leading case in this is Enron, where the accountants, Arthur Anderson, sent around an email saying that they should shred things. They were severely criticised for that and it finished the [accountancy] firm.

“We know there are police inquiries going on into the News of the World and anybody who removed records now would be personally liable. It would be perverting the course of justice and a crime. I don’t think liquidation will make any difference [to the firms records].

“Indeed, the News of the World policy since January has been to cooperate with the police and in a solvent liquidation [like the NoW], the liquidator has a duty to follow the company’s policy.”

94. Chaise Guevara

@ 92 Jimmy

I agree that getting too elated about this would be foolish. However, at the very least we can perhaps hope that the replacement of the NotW – and its existing media brethren – will perhaps be slightly less inclined to act as if they are above the law in future, especially if anyone goes to jail over this.

In any case, none of this has anything to do with gloating over job losses.

Re 93

If you’ll forgive the cynicism, any shredding will have been done before the liquidator gets in the building.

Re 94

I don’t doubt it. Though judging by the G article I just posted a link to, they may not have covered their tracks as well as they thought………..

Sorry, Jimmy, of course I meant re 95

95

You’re right to point out that shredding is perhaps a misnomer in the computer age and one can assume even the most committed technophobe knows the limitations of the delete key. I’m aware of at least one liquidation matter in which the solution adopted was simply the physical removal and destruction of hard drives.

The numbering thing’s annoying isn’t it?

101. Rasselas

While I am no fan of News Corporation or any of its tentacles, your back-slapping claim that you were somehow a factor in James Murdoch’s decision to close NOTW makes you look ridiculous.

The Murdochs are ruthless businessmen, they cared little for a 160-year-old paper or its staff, most of whom had only been at the paper for a short time, and made an aggressive tactical move. In any case little has changed, in fact by shutting NOTW and running the Sun 7 days a week they may even increase their profitability.

To suggest that Sunny Hundal and co. calling up a few press officers had any effect, either on those companies’ decisions to pull ads, or on the final demise of NOTW is frankly, laughable.

102. MattWPBS

Should the boycott extend to all News International titles? Renault have already taken this step. I think it should at least until Brooks steps down.

103. Chaise Guevara

@ 101

“While I am no fan of News Corporation or any of its tentacles, your back-slapping claim that you were somehow a factor in James Murdoch’s decision to close NOTW makes you look ridiculous. ”

Um, Murdoch pulled NotW after most of its big advertising partners pulled out – and most of them didn’t want to pull out but crumbled under public pressure. Of course the protesters had an effect.

Well, it won’t be called the Sunday Sun, because that name’s already in use. However, there’s no way News Corporation should be allowed another Sunday paper. Three national newspapers is already too much.

Don’t worry Sunny you are not responsible for the loss of jobs at NowT

According to Roger Alton, an Executive Editor at the Times it wasm’t you and other bloggers who organised the campaign with advertisers.
It was the evil ‘yummy mummies” who “sat there drinking their fairtrade tea” who did it! (interviewed on Channel 4 News).

Well he is a NI journalist — so he has no understanding of events and their causal connections, doesn’t bother to research his allegations and likes to lash out using hackneyed stereotypes that he hopes will make the ‘news.’ And the Times is supposed to be the quality bit of the NI stable???

106. Bob Harvey

The BBC reported today that NI (not notw, the parent company) had concealed emails from the police for 4 years. The real target remains the parent company. Don’t drop the campaign now.


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