Published: June 29th 2011 - at 8:47 pm

Ace Indy front-page compares pensions pots


by Sunny Hundal    

On the day of one of the biggest public-sector strikes for decades, the Indy has this awesome front page.

All credit to them for pointing this out.

hat-tip @suttonnick


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1. Andreas Moser

And most MPs work far fewer years than civil servants or indeed private sector employees or self-employed people.

2. Richard W

Spot the odd one out?

Yes, is it the one comparing the average where everyone earns the same salary to other averages of public sector workers earning different salaries? The average is a pretty useless metric unless you are comparing the average MP pension with the average Lt. Colonel army pension.

3. Nikki

Pretty sure my dad’s pension isn’t anything close to what is quoted there for the fire service!

4. Luis enrique

One could do the same thing with MP’s salaries versus nurses’s salaries. One could also replace MPs with local council chief executives or NHS Trust directors, surgeons or indeed union leaders, who earn more than MPs. It’s not clear to me why comparisons between public sector workers and high paid public sector execs is what’s relevant here.

I’d be more interested in comparisons between comparable public sector workers and private sector workers – isn’t that what support for public sector strikes hinges on?

5. Sunny Hundal

Luis, given that there’s an article on the front page of this site answering that very question, I’m rather perplexed you ask it.
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/06/29/is-public-sector-pay-really-higher-than-private-as-cameron-claims/

6. Luis enrique

Sunny,

I was commenting just on the Indie front page; I don’t see that its merits are altered by what you publish here.

I did see that post: It doesn’t compare public and private sector pensions.

It is difficult to compare wages across different types of job, but that doesn’t mean comparisons are impossible. There is a good deal of research that tries to control for skill and experience. Like this

http://www.efm.bris.ac.uk/echtl/europublicgap.pdf

7. gruffbilly

http://falseeconomy.org.uk/blog/this-is-not-a-pension-reform-it-is-simply-a-pay-cut

8. Andrew Wilson

Which of the above would be missed least if they went on strike?

9. Dr*T

Total strawman argument.

MP with no experience – salary £65000 + expenses
MP with 100 years experience – salary £65000 + expenses

Range of other sectors goes from min wage to £250,000.

You can’t compare the salaries and you sure as abused stats are abused stats, can’t compare the pensions.

Find out what the pensions are for the people in those sectors earning £65000 and at least you are comparing similar things.

This article plays to people’s (and I include my own) prejudices. If right leaning had played a similar game you would have howled for days – unfortunate you won’t call foul on your own team.

10. citizen spork

Just a shame the iPaper, or whatever it is called, decided to say the strikes were about receiving a “less generous pension”. While true in a semantic sense it kind of misses the point.

11. citizen spork

Oh, and the big issue missed about MPs pensions that could’ve been made was missed, namely that the Hutton report recommendations are being supported across the board, except the part about MPs pensions.

12. Sunny Hundal

Luis – are you drunk? That’s exactly what the post does.

Dr*T
MP with no experience – salary £65000 + expenses
MP with 100 years experience – salary £65000 + expenses

MPs also have variable salaries. The PM is not paid the same as a backbencher, and also has more money for his office and a nice pad to live in.

13. Sarah AB

@DrT “This article plays to people’s (and I include my own) prejudices.” Well put.

14. Dr*T

Sunny,

..and so he should have, he’s the prime minister. All MPs get the same basic apart from the 20 or so in Cabinet. That’s about 600 MPs.

T

15. manoamano

Quick! Look over there! Ignore the issue at hand, just engage in whataboutery when you’ve lost all hope of winning the argument with the public!

16. Luis Enrique

That’s exactly what the post does.

Sunny, I am worried you are going doolally. That LC post was about salaries, I said I’d be interested in pension comparisons, because that’s what Indie front page was about. Not exactly the same thing are they? And that’s quite aside from the fact you responded to a comment about the Indie front page by pointing out something published on LC, and then called my comment trolling.

17. ukliberty

MPs also have variable salaries. The PM is not paid the same as a backbencher, and also has more money for his office and a nice pad to live in.

ISTM this is an odd way of putting it. MPs all receive the same salary, ~£65k. If they have an additional responsibility – say, being a PM, Government Minister, Committee chairman, or Speaker – they receive an additional salary.

18. BenM

Oh dear.

The rightwing trolls and their pettifogging diversions.

What on earth is Enrique wittering on about (again)?

This is a piece about the levels of pension paid to certain public sector workers to smash the myth that somehow they’re “gold plated” or of enormous sums.

Yet the seething, jealous Right piles in with its hilariously irrelevant observations.

19. rook

@ 18 BenM

I’m new to this site, but I’m learning.
I note the number of messages in response to this article and the number of re-tweets;
relatively few comments and a huge number of re-tweets … says it all, really.

20. vimothy

Okay, so what’s the deal with accusing people who raise perfectly reasonable and obvious criticisms of being trolls–is it some kind of ironic meta-commentary on the Dunning-Kruger effect?

Here’s a question for Mr M (or indeed, for any of the hundreds of readers who tweeted this post): If you took the average salary of 25 year olds and compared it to the average salary of 45 year olds, what do you think you would find?

Would you put the results on the front page of your newspaper?

21. ukliberty

vimothy,

Okay, so what’s the deal with accusing people who raise perfectly reasonable and obvious criticisms of being trolls–is it some kind of ironic meta-commentary on the Dunning-Kruger effect?

No – they clearly don’t even know the meaning of “troll”, so it’s even more Dunning-Kruger.

22. Luis enrique

BenM, the Indie published a front page comparing pensions of high paid versus low paid public sector workers, called for the high paid ones to share the pain. Fair enough. I thought the issue was more about public versus private sector, rather than within public sector comparisons, so I said so. Ok with you?

23. rook

Luis, don’t know if this will help…
a) the public versus private sector “issue” is a separate argument
b) the Indy’s sub-heading is THEIR OWN, and not one that’s helpful.The issue is not about asking the more highly-paid to share the pain.
c) the govt allegation is that ALL public sector pensions are gold-plated and too generous by far, and therefore ALL must be cut back (or almost all, see post 11 above).
d) the Indy’s pictorial uses a selection of typical and average public sector workers to illustrate that these are NOT on gold-plated pension schemes, but dares to wonder if gold might be the appropriate colour for MPs.

24. Cherub

@18 BenM

I think you’ll find Luis is more of a fellow traveller than you give him credit for. I find his comments incisive and very well informed. Troll he certainly isn’t.

25. vimothy

rook,

It’s a basic principle of quantitative methods that you want to compare like with like. The Indy front page is the sort of thing you might see in a stats textbook next to the phrase “uses and abuses of statistics”.

In order to compare the mean pensions of two groups, you need to hold all the other relevant variables constant. If you think about this, it’s pretty obvious. Why would the average MP get the same pension as the average health worker? Would you expect a priori, e.g., the average astrophysics lecturer to get the same pension as the average civil servant? Of course not. You don’t know that the average university lecturer and the average civil servant are the same age, have the same level of education, training, etc, etc, etc.

So it’s not a meaningful comparison—that’s the problem.

26. Cherub

@ 24 rook

It’s that sub-heading that’s causing the problem, isn’t it? The figures given certainly suggest that public sector pensions aren’t the gold-plated £25kpa claimed by those attacking them.

What I find astonishing is how cowed the private sector workers are. This meme that, “I don’t get a decent pension so why should they?” has really taken. Nobody sees fit to take it further, though, do they? How can someone with a £6kpa pension manage? Do I see a taxpayer subsidy there somewhere?

27. Luis enrique

Thanks rook,

Yes, perhaps the main point was just that most public sector pensions aren’t so golden. Bit about the MPs a bit of a distraction then.

Although I’d like to know how much you’d have to save up in your private pension fund to buy a 10k a year pension.

28. Charlieman

@12. Sunny Hundal: “MPs also have variable salaries. The PM is not paid the same as a backbencher, and also has more money for his office and a nice pad to live in.”

Skipping the first argument, the PM and ministers and just plain MPs are given public funds to pay for administrative assistance and for research (and absolutely not for political activists on the pay roll).

The PM superficially gets a nice flat in London, possibly swapping it with the neighbour according to family size (there is much to analyse within the Blair/Brown property exchange, contrasting domestic civility and Cabinet). But the Downing Street flat is not a sinecure; the choice for a PM with young family is to live at Downing Street as a family (exposed) or to have another London/Elsewhere home (expensive, possibly less exposed) is challenging.

Cameron and his wife are wealthy enough to have many options. They can afford two homes plus Downing Street.

We have to turn this around. An MP should be a common person but an exceptional person. Any MP may become PM. The last common citizen to become PM, I would argue, is Edward Heath.

Was his premiership a freak event? Why so few common people?

29. Tim J

28 – Jim Callaghan, Margaret Thatcher, John Majorand Gordon Brown were all ‘common citizens’ I’d have thought.


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  130. Mick Grant

    “@natachakennedy: http://t.co/yeSxzpZ Average MP's pension is double that of teachers 4X that of Civil servants 5X that of health workers…

  131. Eileenmairhare

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://t.co/NgUay8w absolutely brilliant!!!! Pls RT

  132. Eileenmairhare

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://t.co/NgUay8w absolutely brilliant!!!! Pls RT

  133. Paul Garrard

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  134. Gael

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://t.co/qxnKaVp

  135. Amanda Wilkinson

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  136. Amanda Wilkinson

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  137. Natacha Kennedy

    “@natachakennedy: http://t.co/yeSxzpZ Average MP's pension is double that of teachers 4X that of Civil servants 5X that of health workers…

  138. Natacha Kennedy

    “@natachakennedy: http://t.co/yeSxzpZ Average MP's pension is double that of teachers 4X that of Civil servants 5X that of health workers…

  139. Melanie

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  140. Oliver Kearns

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  141. Arun Hackett

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  142. Rachel

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  143. Rachel

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/W7IVe8I

  144. andy mellor

    rt @sunny_hundal The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different public sector pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  145. Tina

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://t.co/qxnKaVp

  146. Matt Harding

    rt @sunny_hundal The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different public sector pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  147. Keira Evans-Determan

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots (Liberal Conspiracy): Source : Liberal Conspiracy http://bit.ly/mPT5ob

  148. linnet1968

    Spot on Indie front page: http://t.co/M3T1Fxy – and if MPs went on strike nobody would miss them (thx @zenbullets & @euzie) #j30 #solidarity

  149. Simon Jones

    Excellent Indy front-page compares public pensions to MPs' http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  150. nobby-Lobby

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://t.co/qxnKaVp

  151. Molly

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  152. Adam Jennison

    Hell yeah, we are all in it together (are we not?). This so reminds me of Animal Farm… http://t.co/V07wFaB

  153. Helen

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  154. Sean Jones

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  155. Nick Hider

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/2zmEDdE via @libcon

  156. chumes

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  157. Rob Hudson

    Excellent Indy front-page compares public pensions to MPs' http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  158. Michael Marten

    Great! THEY'RE all in it together! RT @libcon: Excellent Indy front-page compares public pensions to MPs' http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  159. Emma H

    Thought provoking. Indy front-page compares different pension pots | via Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/1E8mm6R via @libcon

  160. Jonathan Taylor

    “@sunny_hundal: front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://t.co/YjRoYr3” one rug, pulled!

  161. Simon Godefroy

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  162. Sean Gittins

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  163. Nicolas Redfern

    “@sunny_hundal: front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://t.co/YjRoYr3” one rug, pulled!

  164. Andy VGLNT

    “@sunny_hundal: front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://t.co/YjRoYr3” one rug, pulled!

  165. Ian Martin

    “@sunny_hundal: front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://t.co/YjRoYr3” one rug, pulled!

  166. Steven Land

    One of these public sector workers' pensions remains untouched, and shitloads compared to the others. #cunts http://t.co/cLf7Yff via @libcon

  167. Gavin H

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/2zmEDdE via @libcon

  168. Adrian Smith

    Excellent Indy front-page compares public pensions to MPs' http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  169. JamieSW

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  170. JamieSW

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  171. David

    MPs sharing pain is spin MM used in Ire, its still a drive 4 cuts cuts cuts RT @jamiesw @sunny_hundal Indo tomorrow … http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  172. Abi O

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  173. Greg

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  174. Claire OT

    If you haven't seen it already – tomorrow's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  175. HeardinLondon

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  176. Diverticula

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  177. Harky

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  178. Anna Machell

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  179. Anna Machell

    RT @_RichardHall: Front page of Indie tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of #j30strike http://bit.ly/j0vnqw #J30

  180. Mrs Mack

    Spot the odd one out http://j.mp/ly8Ypl #pensions #j30

  181. Graeme Lamb

    RT @_RichardHall: Front page of Indie tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of #j30strike http://bit.ly/j0vnqw #J30

  182. barry f

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/OJAzfdD via @libcon

  183. Akanyang Merementsi

    Top story: Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspi… http://goo.gl/5mght, see more http://goo.gl/TYGES

  184. Ivan Timson

    Whose pension is the most! Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots/Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/SuH1sna via @libcon #j30

  185. Tony Stevenson

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/jRFyxbe via @libcon

  186. andthesewalls

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  187. Jon Bryan

    Want to know why so many on strike today? Check out this pension comparison http://t.co/SuH1sna #j30 #ucu #nut #atl #pcs #ucustrike

  188. Pat Popov

    Indy front-page compares different pension pots. Quelle surprise! Guess who comes out on top. http://t.co/ImhrPrv #j30 #strike #UKuncut

  189. David Burnell

    rt @sunny_hundal The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different public sector pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  190. Christopher Lewis

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/dBDwanp via @libcon

  191. Fiona Radic

    RT @libcon: Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://t.co/aulUY5S

  192. Joe Cassels

    RT @_RichardHall: Front page of Indie tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of #j30strike http://bit.ly/j0vnqw #J30

  193. Donna D

    Missing? Private sector levels… MT @sunny_hundal The Independent comparing different pensions http://bit.ly/j0vnqw (via @Reynolds)

  194. Joanna McKenzie

    Tomorrows front page of the independent says it all: http://t.co/lfc72vi #pensions #strikes #uk

  195. Helen Howard

    Tomorrows front page of the independent says it all: http://t.co/lfc72vi #pensions #strikes #uk

  196. Anna Trevena

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  197. sammgoldsmith

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  198. Thoughtcat

    Public sector pensions: spot the odd one out. MPs get twice as much as teachers? Really?? http://bit.ly/mSpNe7

  199. Jen

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  200. ScissorKickPlatypus

    RT @thoughtcat: Public sector pensions: spot the odd one out. MPs get twice as much as teachers? Really?? http://bit.ly/mSpNe7

  201. Tony Dowling

    Want to know why so many on strike today? Check out this pension comparison http://t.co/SuH1sna #j30 #ucu #nut #atl #pcs #ucustrike

  202. Natacha Kennedy

    http://t.co/yeSxzpZ Average MP's pension = double that of teachers 4X that of Civil servants 5X that of health workers…

  203. Kitty McRoth

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  204. Morgan Dalton

    RT @thoughtcat: Public sector pensions: spot the odd one out. MPs get twice as much as teachers? Really?? http://bit.ly/mSpNe7

  205. Stew Wilson

    RT @thoughtcat: Public sector pensions: spot the odd one out. MPs get twice as much as teachers? Really?? http://bit.ly/mSpNe7

  206. Rob Wells

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  207. Chris Owens

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/FpMbIsa via @libcon

  208. Maureen Stapleton

    The reason I'm supporting the strike, as shown on the front page of the Indy today: http://t.co/LiJLymN

  209. paddy

    Front page of The Independent tomorrow is absolutely brilliant. A bit of perspective ahead of strikes http://bit.ly/j0vnqw via @sunny_hundal

  210. Dan Tuesday

    Spot on Indie front page: http://t.co/M3T1Fxy – and if MPs went on strike nobody would miss them (thx @zenbullets & @euzie) #j30 #solidarity

  211. Chris Coltrane

    RT @sunny_hundal: If you haven't seen it already – today's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots. http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  212. Natacha Kennedy

    @ianaddison Enjoy your pay cut and reduced pension http://bit.ly/jSjMoq

  213. Jim Melly

    RT @sunny_hundal: If you haven't seen it already – today's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots. http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  214. Matt Hope

    RT @jonbryan: Wanna know why so many on strike today? Check out this pension comparison http://t.co/SuH1sna #ucu #nut #atl #pcs #ucustrike

  215. Matt Hope

    RT @jonbryan: Wanna know why so many on strike today? Check out this pension comparison http://bit.ly/mLqqgR #ucu #nut #atl #pcs #ucustrike

  216. Rosie Rogers

    RT @jonbryan: Wanna know why so many on strike today? Check out this pension comparison http://bit.ly/mLqqgR #ucu #nut #atl #pcs #ucustrike

  217. Ahnung Un-Rama

    Bravo the Indy! (via @sunny_hundal) http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  218. Neil Butler

    Bravo the Indy! (via @sunny_hundal) http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  219. Steve A

    RT @sunny_hundal: If you haven't seen it already – today's excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots. http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  220. Greg Eden

    Bravo the Indy! (via @sunny_hundal) http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  221. Stuart Neilson

    Tomorrows front page of the independent says it all: http://t.co/lfc72vi #pensions #strikes #uk

  222. Howard Ricketts

    What a "Wunch Of Bankers" :) Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/SDPH49P via @libcon

  223. Chris Keegan

    Excellent Indy front-page compares public pensions to MPs' http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  224. Humphrey Cushion

    Bravo the Indy! (via @sunny_hundal) http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  225. Angela la Land

    Bravo the Indy! (via @sunny_hundal) http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  226. steve

    Bravo the Indy! (via @sunny_hundal) http://t.co/g4VSTEY

  227. Iain Wallace

    Public sector pensions: Spot the odd one out http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT (having now read my pension documents I would also like to keep it as is)

  228. Justin

    Public sector pensions: Spot the odd one out http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT (having now read my pension documents I would also like to keep it as is)

  229. Josephine Grahl

    Hope everyone's seen the front page of the Indy today: http://t.co/2eXJ3qa

  230. Simon Byron

    I am not a massive fan of the them and us mentality, but they can absolutely fuck off: Indie front page http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT (HT @strawp)

  231. Alex Robertson

    RT @jonbryan: Wanna know why so many on strike today? Check out this pension comparison http://bit.ly/mLqqgR #ucu #nut #atl #pcs #ucustrike

  232. Paul Kercal

    All in it together: http://t.co/z9lK6Ga

  233. Nathan Ditum

    I am not a massive fan of the them and us mentality, but they can absolutely fuck off: Indie front page http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT (HT @strawp)

  234. Prezzer

    RT @byronicman: I am not a massive fan of the them and us mentality, but they can absolutely fuck off: Indie front page http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT

  235. Bad Bonobo

    I am not a massive fan of the them and us mentality, but they can absolutely fuck off: Indie front page http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT (HT @strawp)

  236. shedworking

    RT @sunny_hundal The front page of the Independent, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://t.co/jlKvgVf

  237. Luke Kemp

    RT @byronicman: I am not a massive fan of the them and us mentality, but they can absolutely fuck off: Indie front page http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT

  238. Minda Burgos-Lukes

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  239. Maverick Mac

    RT @psbook: Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy #j30

  240. Jo Bates

    Excellent Indy front-page compares public pensions to MPs' http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  241. Jonathan Clarke

    I am not a massive fan of the them and us mentality, but they can absolutely fuck off: Indie front page http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT (HT @strawp)

  242. Mary Swan

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  243. RobSimmons

    RT @GrampsyPete: RT @psbook: Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health wor… http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  244. Captain Swing

    RT @GrampsyPete: RT @psbook: Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health wor… http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  245. Louise Haigh

    RT @psbook: Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy #j30

  246. Emma Cliffe

    Spot the odd one out: great indy front page today http://t.co/TtNYmi2

  247. Tom Ashworth

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  248. The WOO

    RT @Gaijinsan21: Bravo the Indy! (via @sunny_hundal) http://bit.ly/j0vnqw >> yes but r these average BASIC pension ? peeps pay more in

  249. Caspar Henderson

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  250. thejamesdixon

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  251. Russ King

    RT @emmaproblema: Spot the odd one out: great indy front page today http://is.gd/AcgGbU

  252. toontastic

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  253. Dev Churamani

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  254. Steven Thomas

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  255. Andrew Preater

    brilliant, just what I wanted to say RT @woodscolt79: Hope everyone's seen the front page of the Indy today: http://bit.ly/jLQVa2

  256. Melissa Higgs

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  257. Shaun Dyer

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  258. Susan

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  259. DottydeBono

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  260. fiona england

    Spot the odd one out: great indy front page today http://t.co/TtNYmi2

  261. Bob Irving

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  262. Claire OT

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  263. Margo Milne

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  264. Marplesmarbles

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  265. Laura Harris

    Spot the odd one out: great indy front page today http://t.co/TtNYmi2

  266. Frances Traynor

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  267. Tim Fowler

    http://t.co/VxgDkxX Typical Indy cheap shot. Last time I checked, Fireman can't be voted out of their jobs either.

  268. Goldsmiths UCU

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  269. Cheryl

    http://t.co/VxgDkxX Typical Indy cheap shot. Last time I checked, Fireman can't be voted out of their jobs either.

  270. Simon Best

    @MathewHulbert What about this front cover http://bit.ly/jSjMoq As you love Hari so much I'm sure you read this.

  271. Andy S

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  272. Anne Greensmith

    RT @psbook: Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  273. Andrew Chilvers

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://zite.to/m6aTMu via @zite

  274. Andrew Chilvers

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://zite.to/m6aTMu via @zite

  275. Andrew Chilvers

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://zite.to/m6aTMu via @zite

  276. Lee 'Harry' Bradshaw

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  277. Lee 'Harry' Bradshaw

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  278. Lee 'Harry' Bradshaw

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  279. Orla Woods

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  280. Orla Woods

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  281. Orla Woods

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  282. em

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  283. em

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  284. em

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  285. Pigeons in the Park

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  286. Alim Kheraj

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  287. Bishop Basher

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  288. Matt Jeffs

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  289. Jon Spiers

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  290. Rad

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  291. Bob Johns

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  292. TCW Jones

    RT @psbook: Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  293. Top Politics Tweets

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  294. David Roberts

    I am not a massive fan of the them and us mentality, but they can absolutely fuck off: Indie front page http://bit.ly/iQ6KrT (HT @strawp)

  295. Nicolas Chinardet

    @Jamesisies RT @psbook Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354pa while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  296. Jon (Bambi) Page

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  297. Olly Treen

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  298. cllrdarrenfower

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots – http://tinyurl.com/6c8avo6

  299. Raibert

    The front page of the Independent tomorrow, comparing different pensions is just awesome http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  300. leebo

    RT @libcon: Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://t.co/BfMhTVf

  301. John Edginton

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  302. Kasch Wilder

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots | Liberal Conspiracy http://t.co/ogcCZTT via @libcon

  303. Simon Sayer

    Excellent Indy front-page compares public pensions to MPs' http://bit.ly/j0vnqw

  304. Pam Field

    (Liberal Conspiracy) Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots : http://t.co/gLDzbKt

  305. pam lorenz

    RT @Gaijinsan21: Bravo the Indy! (via @sunny_hundal) http://bit.ly/j0vnqw <<want to know the average pension? Look here!

  306. Rachel Hubbard

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots|LiberalConspiracy http://t.co/zOL36PQ WhenAreMPsGoingToDegradeTheirPensionPayout?

  307. Natasha Williams

    http://t.co/ynBWcAx nice

  308. Helen Crowther

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  309. Lorraine Rollo

    RT @libcon: Ace Indy front-page compares pensions pots http://t.co/gGihg8V

  310. SteelCat

    Excellent Indy front-page compares different pension pots http://zite.to/m6aTMu via @zite #fb

  311. DIY Prodictions

    RT @libcon: Ace Indy front-page compares pensions pots http://t.co/4Xv5aBJ

  312. Ben Norwood

    RT @libcon: Ace Indy front-page compares pensions pots http://t.co/4Xv5aBJ

  313. JMF

    Comparison of public sector pension pots. MPs average £21,354 per year while health workers get £4,087 http://cot.ag/liBJyy

  314. sunny hundal

    @dvatw @_whippet PS, I know basic economics thanks – I studied in it. But you should try basic facts about pensions too http://t.co/ymejFphE

  315. sunny hundal

    @heroandleander here – http://t.co/sPp9NAVm

  316. sunny hundal

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