Oxbride in first line haha

WaIt, so..he’s saying rich kids who aren’t good enough to get into Oxbridge have somehow been denied their natural right to go to a top university of their choice?!

He goes on to say that the newly created university will feature a “large proportion” of undergraduates who will get reduced fees or get full-scholarships, but its not explained who will fund this.

From the article you link to.

he and his colleagues want to see 30 per cent of undergraduates receive some help with their fees, and a large proportion will have full scholarships, funded either charitably or from the fees of those who can afford to pay.

So either from donations/endowments, or from the University’s fee income. Seems reasonably straightforward.

Much as private education annoys me, this probably isn’t the best time to be complaining about it. If this development even mildly broadens the scope of people who can get into prestigous universities, it’s probably a good thing in the short term.

but its not explained who will fund this.

err …. it’s a private university. Safe to assume, I think, that it will fund assisted places out of its revenues.

Interesting take on it here from Mary Beard. Both supportive and critical.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/dons_life/2011/06/is-graylings-new-college-a-new-oxbridge.html

A ‘new Oxbridge’? Isn’t that what the rest of the Russell Group were supposed to be? Still, it could be worse: Durham isn’t a member of the RG, and now they’ve been displaced by some kind of private Brains Trust University charging double the maximum whack of £9.000 a year. How many hours of Niall Ferguson’s valuable time that will buy you between his other engagements, TV appearances, book deals and liberal-baiting is anybody’s guess.

funded either charitably or from the fees of those who can afford to pay.

Doesn’t say what proportion this will be.

Are they really saying other students will subsidise the large proportion of scholarships? Rubbish. What charitable groups have said they will chip in? As I said, none of this is clarified – its just a vague commitment at the moment

Are they really saying other students will subsidise the large proportion of scholarships? Rubbish.

Jesus Sunny. How do you think private schools pay for bursaries and scholarships? Out of fee income (as well as charitable donations and endowments). How will a private university pay for bursaries? Out of fee income (as well as charitable donations and endowments). This isn’t hard.

What charitable groups have said they will chip in?

None, but they wouldn’t have to. It’s the donation that’s charitable, not the donor. Are you just going off on auto-opposition mode again, without taking the time to understand what you’re opposing? Bad habit that.

Sunny,

I don’t understand – it’ll be a private business, why is the idea that it will provide some discounted and/or free places out of its own resources self-evidently “rubbish”, in your view?

[When private secondary schools provide assisted places isn't that often simply funded out of the school's own pocket?]

why is the idea that it will provide some discounted and/or free places out of its own resources self-evidently “rubbish”, in your view?

I thought it would be obvious. Education costs far more. Even the Professors themselves admit it. So they’ve chosen to go independent and have costs paid by students themselves – hence the 18k fees.

In order to have a high proportion of scholarships / subsidies – they need external contributions. I highly doubt that the richer students can subsidise the poorer ones if they’re just paying 18k.
Tim J is living in cuckoo-land where things will work out magically just by wishing it. I’m willing to bet money the actual proportion of scholarships will be much lower than projected.

When Boris speaks it sounds like he is regurgitating a dictionary that he has eaten for breakfast.

I think that Boris also wallows in the thought that he sounds sophisticated and that makes him safely feel that he is number one, above everyone else.

Bloody Toffs.

@ 12 Mr Grunt

“When Boris speaks it sounds like he is regurgitating a dictionary that he has eaten for breakfast.

I think that Boris also wallows in the thought that he sounds sophisticated and that makes him safely feel that he is number one, above everyone else.

Bloody Toffs.”

Do you have anything to contribute, or are you just going to throw lazy, anti-intellectual snobbery around?

Its private, but its using UCL facilities and resources. So its detrimental to UCL. I dont understand how people can argue this might improve the scope of students at elite unis when the fees are double that of others. Will the Government offer student loans for it?