Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?


4:15 pm - April 6th 2011

by Ben White    


      Share on Tumblr

Imagine if the Department for Communities and Local Government partnered with an organisation that works for Christians to implement national housing and planning policies.

What if the junior coalition partner in the British government had campaigned for the election by challenging the national loyalty of ethnic minorities?

Imagine if, by law, 40 percent of UK towns screened potential residents to see if they fit the community’s ‘social and cultural character’. And what if an MP behind this law said: “every Christian town needs at least one Muslim. What would happen if my refrigerator stopped working on a Sunday?”

Wouldn’t there be an outcry if the head of a town council in England urged more white people to move to the area, so that the black population won’t “rear their heads” – to no particular great commotion.

And what about the Minister for Housing and Local Government declared it “a national duty to prevent the spread” of Asian Britons.

Such scenarios are the reality of life in Israel. So why is it that groups in the UK that work with issues facing Israel, Jews in Britain, and racism in general are so quiet?

There’s the Board of Deputies of British Jews, a body that “welcomes inclusive notions of citizenship, identity and belonging” [PDF], and has signed a Europe-wide petition calling for a “zero tolerance policy” towards anti-Roma violence “including intimidation and hate speech”.

There is ‘Engage’, the self-declared “left-wing campaign” against the boycott of Israel. They also state that their “view of the world is one that opposes all racism equally”, and thus the website features material beyond the boycott and antisemitism, e.g. posts about the EDL, minority groups in Europe, an attack on a mosque in Stoke, etc.

How have these groups responded to the vicious hate speech directed against Israel’s Palestinian citizens? With almost complete silence. No ‘progressive’ uproar from the likes of Labour Friends of Israel, no flurry of press releases or even blog posts.

As legislation is passed in the Knesset that, according to Israeli professor and fascism expert Zeev Sternhell, “makes ethnic inequality a legal norm [and] has no parallel in democratic countries”, Israel advocacy groups in the UK only shrug.

    Share on Tumblr   submit to reddit  


About the author
This is a guest article. Ben White is a freelance journalist who has written for Guardian's CIF, Electronic Intifada and others. His book 'Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner's Guide' (Pluto Press), was published in 2009.
· Other posts by


Story Filed Under: Blog ,Civil liberties ,Foreign affairs ,Middle East

Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.


Reader comments


1. Mr S. Pill

Hm, fair enough, but I’d like to see more articles against the anti-Semitism of some on the Palestinian side please. There are no angels in this conflict.

2. Mike Killingworth

[1] However, Israel considers that it conforms to Western notions of civil society, democracy (and Enlightenment values more generally). I remain to be convinced that Hamas does so, or that it needs to in order to represent the values and aspirations of those it governs.

(Don’t worry, folks, if I don’t make at last one subsequent comment laying into Israel it’ll surprise me more than it does you. I certainly agree that there are no angels hereabouts.

3. FergusQuadro

In the Middle East, not like in Europe, it is customary for people of different religious sects and religions to live separately. Odd? surely, but it is their country and they have every right to behave in their own way.
A young Israeli Jewish man bought a flat in an Israeli Muslim town. Very reasonable price with beautiful views. He found it broken into and his belongings scattered time after time and eventually he was told that he should let it or sell it to Muslims and not attempt to live in it.

Perhaps Engage and other bodies understand the different way of life in different countries and are more tolerant than you are.

I blame proportional representation. Does the Israeli Supreme Court have the remit to block these laws? It certainly should have.

5. shlomtsion

Imagine if the Welsh had the death penalty on their statutes for selling land to English people. (Selling land to a Jew is punishable by death under Palestinian law)
Imagine if Welsh school text books showed maps of the British Isles without England and Scottish children’s TV portrayed the English as candidates for political murder.
Imagine if English people could not live in or even visit France, Spain and 18 other countries in their vicinity.
Imagine if the Scots had fired over 4,000 missiles on northern English towns in the space of one month and repeatedly kidnapped and murdered English people from over the border.
Imagine if the Cornish had been firing thousands of rockets and mortars into England for the past decade and were holding hostage a young Englishman for over 4 years.

The truth is that racism in Israel, whilst of course deplorable, is no different than that in any other country – including the UK – and is not enshrined in Israeli law.
Ben White knows that, but seeing as his whole career is based upon trying to prove otherwise, we can expect no different.

6. Shatterface

‘What if the junior coalition partner in the British government had campaigned for the election by challenging the national loyalty of ethnic minorities?’

You wouldn’t have heard them over the sound of the major coalition partner and the now-opposition doing precisely the same.

It doesn’t matter if you shoot the messenger, there is unfortunately a distinct racist element within Israel, and the fact that the Arab citizens are treated differently is clearly a problem. Perhaps though it might be better to work with those in Israel opposed to this (Labor, the liberal parties, the reasonable Arab parties and elements of Likud and some of the more radical right-wing parties – not all Israeli right-wingers are religious fanatics remember) than to try and tar all Israel with the same brush.

But it is a good argument against PR – under a sensible system, MPs would have to try and get their votes from mixed groups of Arabs (politicised identity), normal people, less normal people and Jews (politicsed identity). Under PR they can just choose one group from whom to seek votes.

8. Mr S. Pill

@3

I call bullshit. It’s only been “customary” since 1948 – there is LOADS of evidence refuting your colonial racism.

S.Pill,

70 years is easily a custom – most are only 20 or 30 years old at most.

But you are right that is not an argument. After all, in much of the world, partiarchy is customary (the exact form will be the changing custom…) but it hardly seems that being a custom is a good reason to let men oppress women.

10. Shatterface

‘But it is a good argument against PR – under a sensible system, MPs would have to try and get their votes from mixed groups of Arabs (politicised identity), normal people, less normal people and Jews (politicsed identity). Under PR they can just choose one group from whom to seek votes.’

Under a ‘sensible’ system maybe – but under FPTP you can easily get a governmeny consisting almost entirely of rich white men – or have you missed the news the last year or so?

Whataboutery in the very first comment. Is this a new record?

12. Mr S. Pill

@9

Fair enough. If someone describes something as “customary” I usually think of it going back hundreds and hundreds of years. & yeah, it is a crummy argument – one could argue in favour of all sorts of horrors (FGM, as an obvious example) on the grounds of cultural differences and customs.

13. Mr S. Pill

@11

Nah, it’s been done loads here. It’s errrrr customary.

I just get slightly bothered by eyebrow-raising headlines like this when the exact reverse (why do Palestinians cheerleaders in the UK ignore their racism?) applies just as much – but to “our” side. I consider myself a pro-Palestinian state lefty & it gets tiresome hearing much denounciation of Israel but not a whisper of criticism of Hamas et al.

it gets tiresome hearing much denounciation of Israel but not a whisper of criticism of Hamas et al..

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/02/01/our-uneasy-and-hypocritical-alliances-for-palestinian-rights/

All this is still whataboutery though. There are lots of people who would like to divert attention from blatant racism coming out of Israel by trying to smear authors or keep focusing on Hamas. Didn’t realise Hamas was the standard of conduct Israel was using these days.

Never mind for the moment discrimination against ethnic minorities resident in Israel, try this news item from a few years ago:

Woman beaten on J’lem bus for refusing to move to rear seat
http://www.haaretz.com/woman-beaten-on-j-lem-bus-for-refusing-to-move-to-rear-seat-1.207251

Compare and contrast this news from America in the mid 1950s:

“The Montgomery Bus Boycott was a political and social protest campaign that started in 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama, USA, intended to oppose the city’s policy of racial segregation on its public transit system.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Bus_Boycott

16. Mr S. Pill

@15

OK, I stand (sit) corrected – there’s just about a whisper.
I daresay there are lots of people who want to detract attention from Israel’s crimes and racism, my only point is by wholly focussing on the badness of one side (as the left does whether we like it or not, and article like the one you linked to are very welcome to balance this) it detracts from the simple fact that the whole situation is a bloody mess with dickheads on all sides.

a bloody mess with dickheads on all sides.

Actually, on libcon we get more dickheads trying to spam the site when any criticism of Israel is published, than Hamas / Palestinians. That thread was way more civil compared the attempts right now by a bunch of people to spam this thread.

Sunny,

I think when the writer is a known supporter of the Palestinians against the Israelis (I don’t see that as a useful division myself – I support the peaceful idea of two liberal democratic states…) who is clarly polemically inclined, then it is perhaps legitimate to expect some reference to the fact the Israelis, whilst not perfect, are still by some way the best society to be different in across the Levant (well, maybe Lebanon, but that may depend which difference and where you are). That does not take away from the criticism that they are still doing wrong.

If Ben were trying to make an observation that the debate about Israel is skewed and polarised, I could go along with this post. But he’s not saying that. As a long-standing contributor to this polarisation, Ben White is instead serving up his political tests for (mainly) Jews who are worried about antisemitism. Ben would prefer you to think of Engage and the BoD as pro-Israel groups. In fact they’re concerned with Britain and Jewish life here.

I’d also take Ben a lot more seriously if he hadn’t said that he understood antisemitism, and if he ever evinced any concern about the antisemitism in his movement. If it’s appropriate to ask why groups who are worried about antisemitism are silent about Israel, it’s certainly appropriate to ask why partisans on behalf of the Palestinians are silent about antisemitism. Antisemitism is, after all, implicated in the rise of the Israeli right that Ben is protesting here. You’ imagine that opposing antisemitism would be recognised as pro-Palestinian right alongside protesting the loyalty laws and the ongoing settlement – not in Ben White’s world.

I for one feel more rather than less inhibited from sharing my views on the Israeli government policy as a result of Ben’s post – it would simply reinforce his political test. I consider this a similar situation to British Muslims who faced demands that they dissociate themselves from an Islamist agenda when they tried to raise the issue of Islamophobia post 9/11. That was an outrageous and discriminatory request, and the same that Ben is making here. Thankfully Ben’s way is not the only way to advocate for Palestinians.

Isn’t it a shame that the oppressed tend to not be entirely saintly and often contain violent radicals within their midst. Perhaps that might have something to do with the conditions they’re under on a daily basis? Just a thought.

Shatterface,

Under a ‘sensible’ system maybe – but under FPTP you can easily get a governmeny consisting almost entirely of rich white men – or have you missed the news the last year or so?

Umm, isn’t the Israeli govermnet made almost entirely of rich, slightly more tanned/dark skinned (as is the norm is Israeli) men?

And isn’t just about every government on the continent, regardless of electoral system, mostly made up entirely of rich white men (the odd woman, the odd person of poor background – same as ours).

I think that if you have a problem with that (so long as they are elected fairly and represent all their constituents, I don’t) you need to find another way of forming governments – elections tend to favour the wealthy and well-educated everywhere.

“it detracts from the simple fact that the whole situation is a bloody mess with dickheads on all sides.”

Israeli orchestrated atrocities started many decades ago:

– SS Patria blown up in Haifa Harbour 1940
– King David Hotel in J’lem blown up 1946
– Deir Yassin Massacre 1948
– Qibya Massacre 1953
etc

In many cases the perpetrators and organisers of those atrocities got elected to high office in Israel or were promoted completely regardless of international opinion or the effects on Palestinian sentiment.

23. Mr S. Pill

@23

Indeed – not to mention Ariel Sharon’s involvement in the 1982 massacre at Sabra.

@23: Indeed – not to mention Ariel Sharon’s involvement in the 1982 massacre at Sabra.

And this BBC report about the Khiam Prison in South Lebanon when it was under Israeli control:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/1002463.stm

25. Flowerpower

If Israel is so racist, how come they allow a 16-18% Arab minority in their society? Even right-on multi-culti UK has only around 10% BME tops.

I notice that several comments pointing out flaws with this article and posing relevant questions about its author’s own anti-racist credentials appeared briefly but were then deleted.

I’m assuming it is these Sunny alludes to as ‘spam’. But what remains is panning out to be a homogenous rehearsal of Israeli government aggression stretching back through time. Why are we doing this? Why is it so hard for a pro-Palestinian to also be pro-Israeli?

I notice that several comments pointing out flaws with this article

Not really. Comments relating to the substance of the article remain here.

and posing relevant questions about its author’s own anti-racist credentials appeared briefly but were then deleted.

No, those are people who think that taking quotes out of context and then putting them in an article to attack the author somehow invalidates all that is written above. It doesn’t, and it makes them look like infantile idiots who get excited over ad hominems. I usually delete comments that are simply about attacking the author than dealing with the substance of the article.

If people don’t like it – *shrug* – it’s not my problem. that is my policy.

Why are we doing this? Why is it so hard for a pro-Palestinian to also be pro-Israeli?

Its not. I’m both pro-Israeli in certain contexts and pro-Palestinian in others. but its rather disingenuous to pretend there is complete equivalence here since Israel is holding Palestinians in a massive open-air prison.

Interestingly, Mira – I see you declined to say anything about the points raised in the article itself, instead accusing Ben White of being “polarising”. By that definitionm, I’d say Engage itself is very polarising and not very conducive to having an intelligebnt debate on the issue.

I consider this a similar situation to British Muslims who faced demands that they dissociate themselves from an Islamist agenda when they tried to raise the issue of Islamophobia post 9/11. That was an outrageous and discriminatory request

Rubbish. Muslim groups are constantly attacked in the UK for associating with Islamists or other groups that justify terrorism. You know this and I know this. In fact I’ve repeatedly criticised Muslim groups when they’ve associated themselves too closely to an Islamist agenda.

So this idea that they’re a standard which is being applied to British Jews in this article that doesn’t apply to British Muslims is highly disingenuous. In fact I’m rather surprised you make that with a straight face when the dominant media narrative is completely different.

I assume you read Harry’s Place since your site links to them prominently. Have you ever ventured on there to say British Muslim groups should not be criticised for associating with an Islamist agenda?

[deleted]

@7

There’s a world of difference between PR and PR. I’d say the Israeli system is one of the worst examples of it due to the way it uses a 2% threshold. This means that even the most extreme party can easily expect to have seats in parliament and potentially be part of a coalition government and to extract according concessions. In contrast, other PR systems have a higher threshold which has the effect of keeping out the most extreme parties while still allowing for a diverse range of political viewpoints in parliament. This is why I’d support a system such as STV.

@28 It is very pure PR they have in Israel, and implicated in the rise of the settlement movement. I have no idea what happened with Israeli constitutional reform – last read about it in an Economist piece in 2008.

http://www.economist.com/node/10909941

“This system has been depleting Israel’s political energies for decades: it radicalised the territorial debate, debilitated the economy, obstructed long-term planning, derailed government action, distracted cabinets, diverted budgets, weakened prime ministers, destabilised governments, enabled anonymous and often incompetent people to achieve positions of great influence and responsibility and blurred the distinctions between the executive and legislative branches of government. Perhaps most crucially, it has led talented, accomplished, moral and charismatic people to abandon the political arena to the mediocre, unimaginative and uncharismatic people who currently populate it.”

(As the past months have shown, Israeli electoral reform has limited bearing on the stability of its neighbouring states, so I don’t suppose electoral reform to be any kind of silver bullet for conflict in the Middle East.)

@Fred
Unwarranted abuse toward contributers other than Sunny himself is always deleted. It’s not a concerted plot to shit on Israel, despite what you may think about the qualification “unwarranted”.

32. Mr S. Pill

@25

Bear in mind that minority used to be the majority… I don’t think the situation is analogous at all (although there is still an ingrained culture of racism in the UK).

33. Chaise Guevara

@ 30 Cylux

Hard to say without being able to see the posts. I’ve seen Sunny delete people for continually disagreeing with him (no, I’m not talking about me). I’ve also seen him delete people for abusive behaviour. Seems to happen more in Israel/Palestine threads, but I’ve know idea whether that’s because it’s a bugbear of Sunny’s or a bugbear of nearly everbody’s.

Sometimes posts deserve to be deleted. The only people who know whether that implies in this case are Sunny and anyone else who caught the posts before they were wiped.

34. Chaise Guevara

Anyhoo…

I think the Israel/Palestine thing, even more than most longstanding debates, tends to lead to people picking sides and then getting myopic about the side they’ve chosen, even if they’re trying to be fair-minded. I tend to see Israel as the bigger criminal in this situation, and hence have caught myself being overly forgiving of the other side even though I’m doing my best to be even-handed.

Basically, it’s this: http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Arguments_as_soldiers , and I’m not sure there’s anything we can really do about it.

(RE above: “know idea”? Jesus.)

35. FergusQuadro

Mr S. Pill
You’ve obviously never lived in the ME, nor do you have any background as to the way they live there.

Neither the Saudis nor the PA want Jews at all in their countries. The PA has a law stipulating the death penalty for those who sell land to Jews and though there is no formal declaration by Jordan I’ve yet to find a Jew that lives there. That’s what I call racism but I’m sure you’ll find an excuse for them.

36. Mr S. Pill

@35

Erm, you were the one making excuses for racism @3 claiming so-called “customary” behaviour is a reasonable excuse for racist claptrap. Your opinions (that’s what they are, by the way) smack of the classic “oh those dark-skinned fellows, they can’t possibly get along together, they’re so uncivilised you see” racist bullshit that’s been going around for centuries. It’s a complete myth.

37. Charlieman

@25 Flowerpower: “If Israel is so racist, how come they allow a 16-18% Arab minority in their society? Even right-on multi-culti UK has only around 10% BME tops.”

Not to mention the Beta Israel community from Ethiopia (black African Jews) who were given civil government and military assistance to migrate (and to avoid genocide).

Similarly Jews, mainstream Christians, Copts and Druze of Arab extraction have found a home in Israel. Not all Arab Israelis are Muslim.

@OP: “Imagine if, by law, 40 percent of UK towns screened potential residents to see if they fit the community’s ‘social and cultural character’”

This new, unenforced(?) obnoxious law applies to villages with fewer than 400 families or households. The validity of the law is already being challenged in Israeli courts. In the Jerusalem Post article link provided by OP: “They (opponents) also claim that the law circumvents past High Court decisions forbidding the creation of villages for Jews only.”

OP implies that this obnoxious law applies to 40% of Israel’s population or even large towns; that suggestion is evidently untrue. This law is intended to create separation between Israelis and Palestinians on contested land; and to ensure that liberals and contrary Orthodox Jews are not permitted to settle. It should be considered as gamesmanship, possibly a sign of weakness by those who defy a two state settlement.

38. Charlieman

@33. Chaise Guevara: “Seems to happen more in Israel/Palestine threads, but I’ve know idea whether that’s because it’s a bugbear of Sunny’s or a bugbear of nearly everbody’s.”

It’s more likely that Sunny keeps a closer eye on posts about Israel or abortion than other topics. Then there are other topics that bring in contributors (right-libertarians) who have never visited before.

Regulars like you moderate themselves. If a regular steps out of line, we don’t react too much. Do we, Sunny? Sally and her brownshirts are constant themes, but we moderate ourselves.

I’m not sure there’s anything we can really do about it.

Not entering the debate.

It seems crude at first but it’s splendidly effective.

40. Graham Barral

And, to carry on the style of the article, what if the PM said ” I will not allow Jews to live in a Palestinian State ( M Abbas this year) or we will kill anyone who sells land to non- whites ( Fatah policy towards Arabs selling Palestinian land to Jews). How would you describe these policies?

Proof is in the pudding: In Israel the arab population has grown to about 20% of citizens; in Egypt, Coptic Christians down from 20% to about 5%; in Lebanon down from 55% to about 30%; in Jordan down from 10% to almost 0%; etc. etc. So just where is ethnic cleansing taking place?

@25

“If Israel is so racist, how come they allow a 16-18% Arab minority in their society?”

Before expulsions and legislative exclusion, they were the majority.

@19 Mira

“political tests for Jews”? Pretty typical Engage-style response there, combined with a failure to address the issue of Israel’s discriminatory policies and normalised hate speech.

“I consider this a similar situation to British Muslims” huh? a comparison that reveals plenty about your ‘anti-racist’ politics and understanding of the reality in Palestine/Israel.

43. Charlieman

@48. Ben White: “Before expulsions and legislative exclusion, they were the majority.”

Why are Arabs members of the Knesset in Israel today?

Why is Israel a multi-faith community nation, not a dual one?

Is Israel a multi-coloured nation? Did the Ethiopians change colour post-migraton? Did the Russians turn beige?

Most importantly to Ben White: Do Arabs vote in Israel? Are Arabs permitted to establish political parties?

Do you, Ben White, have anything positive to say?

This is hardly a recipe for a sustainable social system:

“In Israel, where modernity coexists uneasily with tradition, hand-wringing about the country’s ultra-Orthodox Jewish minority is a national pastime. Cloistered in poor towns and neighborhoods, exempted from conscription into the military and surviving largely off government handouts, the black-hatted ultra-Orthodox, known as Haredim, have long vexed more secular Israelis. Now, in the wake of an Israeli Supreme Court decision, this perennial tension has escalated to new heights. . .

“This year the Jerusalem-based Taub Center for Social Policy Studies released a report showing that unemployment among ultra-Orthodox men age 35-54 is 65% and has tripled over the past three decades. Voluntary unemployment has become the dominant lifestyle choice for Haredi men. ”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703848204575608473772263624.html

“The rate of growth among the ultra-Orthodox, in which a majority of men don’t work, is an economic problem, Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer said earlier this week. . . If 70% of the men in 10% of the population don’t work, it becomes a problem of macroeconomic magnitude, Fischer said.”
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/boi-chief-haredi-unemployment-is-hurting-israel-s-economy-1.303343

With Israel’s political system, almost all governments depend on the votes in the Knesset of the religious parties so there is no political chemistry for resolving the problem of unemployment among the ultra-orthodox jews.

@Sunny 38 “Rubbish. Muslim groups are constantly attacked in the UK for associating with Islamists or other groups that justify terrorism. You know this and I know this. In fact I’ve repeatedly criticised Muslim groups when they’ve associated themselves too closely to an Islamist agenda.”

Not rubbish, I think you’ve misunderstood. There are parts of British society who hold Muslims under suspicion by virtue of being in a Muslim community, rather than because they are part of a group with an Islamist or jihadi agenda. So I don’t think we have any disagreement about that.

My point is that Ben White’s piece implies that Jews are also to be suspected as a group, and asked to account for themselves with regards to Israel. There can be no justification for writing or hosting a piece to the effect that a Jewish organisation and a group campaigning about antisemitism, both British, should be particularly required to develop and publicise policy with regards to Israel, or otherwise be called Israel’s cheer-leaders.

On the other hand it has become necessary for Jewish groups and groups campaigning on antisemitism to demand that pro-Palestinian campaigning where they are avoids antisemitism. That is what Engage does.

So if you were expecting a discussion thread full of comments beginning “I am in the Board of Deputies / Engage and I want you all to know that I am truly sorry for what Israel has done…”, you’ll be waiting a long time – and not for the reasons you’re probably going to suggest, but because that article is obviously a counterproductive approach.

My point is that Ben White’s piece implies that Jews are also to be suspected as a group

No it doesn’t, and I wouldn’t have run anything which suggests that. I’m against any implication that suggests an entire community is responsible for the actions of the extremists.

The article clearly refers to specific organisations, since they comment regularly on Israeli affairs.

and a group campaigning about antisemitism

As far as I can see, both Engage and other orgs mentioned don’t just campaign against anti-semitism in the UK. You also comment on international affairs that involve Israel, yes?

I am in the Board of Deputies / Engage and I want you all to know that I am truly sorry for what Israel has done…

No, I think many people expected even-handedness in this issue, which is clearly lacking. For example, the Board of Deputies also issued a statement regarding the Flotilla Incident. It invites Israeli politicians here.

You’re saying you wouldn’t find it disconcerting and wouldn’t speak out if the MCB invited virulent anti-semites here? after all, they also campaign against Islamophobia right? Are they exempt for being accountable for their actions?

@45: “There can be no justification for writing or hosting a piece to the effect that a Jewish organisation and a group campaigning about antisemitism, both British, should be particularly required to develop and publicise policy with regards to Israel, or otherwise be called Israel’s cheer-leaders.”

Really? How come this then?

“Last week the Board of Deputies of British Jews – the elected representative body of our community – voted down a resolution declaring support for a two- state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If you support Israel and support the two-state solution, please add your name to this open letter to the President of the Board of Deputies . . ” [21 January 2011]
http://jfjfp.com/?p=20767

And this?

The Board of Deputies has declared that its policy “is unchanged and it remains unwavering in its support for Israel. The Board completely stands behind the quest of Israel for a just and lasting negotiated peace and in particular behind the courageous stand of the present government as formulated by Prime Minister Netanyahu.”

Do you, Ben White, have anything positive to say?

How about addressing the points raised in the article than attacking the author?

We seem to have an influx of new readers copying and pasting similar stuff here, accusing us of being biased or ‘jew-baiters’ without any evidence whatsoever. Its getting tedious, but trolling comments will be deleted without fail.

49. Charlieman

@48. Sunny Hundal: “How about addressing the points raised in the article than attacking the author?”

I did. I questioned why Ben White did not see Israel as a coffee coloured nation, albeit flawed.

Re 46 and 47, Jewish groups, of course, can do as they wish. That is different from the main thrust of Ben White’s post, that the groups he mentions are “cheerleaders” for Israel by default if they are not loud in their criticism of Israel. That is simply not true.

“As far as I can see, both Engage and other orgs mentioned don’t just campaign against anti-semitism in the UK. You also comment on international affairs that involve Israel, yes? ”

Engage comments on the commentary.

“…the Board of Deputies also issued a statement regarding the Flotilla Incident. It invites Israeli politicians here.”

You’re saying you wouldn’t find it disconcerting and wouldn’t speak out if the MCB invited virulent anti-semites here? after all, they also campaign against Islamophobia right? Are they exempt for being accountable for their actions?”

Some Israeli politicians are racist, some aren’t. All “virulent antisemites” are racist. I don’t see what you’re getting at here.

I’m told it’s late. Better go.

That is different from the main thrust of Ben White’s post, that the groups he mentions are “cheerleaders” for Israel by default if they are not loud in their criticism of Israel.

Like the bit where you assume that we’re talking about all British Jews, I think this isn’t quite true either. But since you’re accusing others of bias and polarisation, perhaps you could point to any criticism of Israel made by the cheerleaders on the points raised above?

Engage comments on the commentary.

So do we. Your comment doesn’t leave any wiser though.

I don’t see what you’re getting at here.

I’ve already made the point several times above. Your point was initially that these orgs only campaign against anti-semitism, and therefore shouldn’t have to comment on Middle-Eastern affairs. When I point out they do comment on ME affairs, but selectively, you don’t want to say anything on that. when I point out that we also expect similar standards from Muslim orgs, you claim not to understand what I’m getting at. Convenient.

Mira

“political tests for Jews” and now, my piece “implies that Jews are also to be suspected as a group”?

It’s a wonder you can make any comment about the “piece”, given your refusal to address any of the specifics. But then, declaring worries about ‘antisemitism’ in order to avoid getting real about Israeli policies – and in order to smear critics – is the Engage speciality, and Sunny has ably demonstrated how unconvincing/disingenuous your position is (see @46 and @51).

It is very easy to attack Israel and for many years the ‘left’ have gone out of their way to look at the divisiions between Zionists and Palestinians. If a Jew dares to declare they are in favour of the State of Israel they are deemed anti-socialist and racist. If they dare to suggest that Palestinian extremists bomb Israeli homes, kill innocent children and spread their evil doctrine throughout the world they are accused of naivete.

If Palestinian academics stand up in front of students and declare they long to be a martyr and that Israel “must come to an end”, they are applauded. If these same Zionists point out that in the West Bank during the Al Aksa Intifada there were posters everywhere depicting the glory of suicide bombers, they are accused of telling lies.

Let us be clear, Israel is no different from any other state – it has many problems, but there are also a lot of positive things happening there too. It would be nice to see a more balanced approach.

There is a Jewish proverb which says “Never mind the flea on someone else’s back, what about the bear on my own”. With the BNP still standing in elections and many Muslims scared to walk along our streets, we might do well to reflect on this before we point the finger at other nations.

It feels a bit like the 4 minute hate though doesn’t it, and it’s clearly seeking to bridge the gap between Jews and Israel.

Isn’t this just like saying why don’t more British Muslim organisations speak out against repressive Islamic regimes, something Sunny would rightly say is not relevant, or am I missing something?

What’s the difference here?

I do find reports of some racist strands in Israel unwelcome and disturbing, although like others here I don’t think it’s fair to map them onto the UK’s situation, for the reasons shlomtsion gives at #5.

I think it’s positive that Engage expresses empathy with other minorities in the UK – as evidenced in the stories BW cites about the mosque and the EDL – a change from people who seem to see antisemitism and Islamophobia as incompatible concerns.

In discussions regulars at Engage have certainly sometimes criticised the kinds of practices BW would dislike too – though I can understand why they don’t feel minded to ‘engage’ with White following his snarky comments about them. See here for example where someone called Philip gets one grumpy response to a commment but also people willing to agree with his point about Israel even though it was off topic.

http://engageonline.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/top-ten-antisemitic-slurs-of-2010/#comments

And here’s just one recent news story which helps explain why Israelis might have slightly different worries/priorities/politics from people in the UK

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/poll-one-third-of-palestinians-support-itamar-massacre-1.354477

@56

presumably you consider this link/comment relevant to the post (otherwise why post it).

In which case, 2 points:

1. Every policy mentioned above is related to Palestinian citizens, not Palestinians in the West Bank.

2. Most generous interpretation of a connection is a suggestion of collective punishment ie the racist policies are justified for “security reasons”

Ben – I specifically wanted to highlight the way in which Israel’s situation was different from our own – whereas you were inviting readers to think how we’d feel if Nick Clegg started proposing policies like those of Lieberman.

BTW your poems are utter shite

60. flyingrodent

I specifically wanted to highlight the way in which Israel’s situation was different from our own

Not that I’m trying to be a dick about this Sarah, but this does sound a tad like an invitation to “understand” why so many Israelis hold racist views, via context. Which would obviously be a major no-no, given the now-common practice of pretending that “understand” is a synonym for “endorse and celebrate”.

@53: “If they dare to suggest that Palestinian extremists bomb Israeli homes, kill innocent children and spread their evil doctrine throughout the world they are accused of naivete.”

Try this account of events on the night of 14-15 October 1953 in Avi Shlaim: The Iron Wall (Penguin Books 2001) p. 91:

“. . Unit 101 was commanded by an aggressive and ambitious young major named Ariel Sharon. Sharon’s order was to penetrate Qibya, blow up houses, and inflict heavy casualties on its inhabitants. His success in carrying out this order surpassed all expectations. The full and macabre story of what happened at Qibya was revealed only during the morning after the attack. The village had been reduced to a pile of rubble: forty-five houses had been blown up, and sixty-nine civiliains, two-thirds of them women and children, had been killed. Sharon and his men claimed that they had no idea that anyone was hiding in the houses. The UN observer who inspected the reached a different conclusion: ‘One story was repeated time after time: the bullet splintered door, the body sprawled across the threshold, indicating that the inhabitants had been forced by heavy fire to stay inside until their homes were blown up over them.’”
Avi Shlaim: The Iron Wall (Penguin Books, 2001), p.91.

“Britain’s chief rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, today delivers an unprecedentedly strong warning to Israel, arguing that the country is adopting a stance ‘incompatible’ with the deepest ideals of Judaism, and that the current conflict with the Palestinians is ‘corrupting’ Israeli culture.” [27 August 2002]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,781113,00.html

IMO there is a widespread perception outside Israel that Israelis have brought many of their problems from terrorism on themselves.

Try the references above here to massacres and war crimes @22, @23, @24 – googling on the place names there cited will retrieve more details.

At the UN debate on the partition of Palestine in November 1947, the UK representative abstained saying that partititon would lead to continuing conflict, which it has.

Btw Avi Shlaim, who holds joint British-Israeli citizenship, is professor of international relations at St Anthony’s College, Oxford. And try this speech of Gerald Kaufman MP in Parliament on: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

@53 Tacitus: I cannot believe you equated a UK minority political party’s actions, a party which doesn’t really hold much if indeed any power, let alone a substantial arms budget, with the systematic repression and enprisonment the Israeli state inflicts on the Palestinians. Seriously, we have to sort out the BNP before we can criticise Israel? And it’s us with the bear on our back?!?
Words fucking fail me.

“IMO there is a widespread perception outside Israel that Israelis have brought many of their problems from terrorism on themselves.”

Fortunately not.

“For the first time since 1991, more than 6 in 10 Americans — 63% — say their sympathies in the Middle East situation lie more with the Israelis than with the Palestinians. Fifteen percent side more with the Palestinians, down slightly from recent years, while a combined 23% favor both sides, favor neither side, or have no opinion.”

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126155/support-israel-near-record-high.aspx

@67: “Fortunately not.”

This may come as a terrible shock so sit down – but sentiment in the rest of the world beyond Israel and America doesn’t necessarily reflect American opinion.

I’ve a feeling that outside of America and Israel, sentiment is more likely to accord with that of Gerald Kaufman MP and his perception that Israel is behaving like Nazis in Gaza – hear his speech at the link @65.

One of the causes of the troubles for Palestinians is negotiating with folk who passionately believe that they have divine sanction or even imperatives to behave as Israel does – try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrAj5tf3xs

Try googling in YouTube for “israel settlers” for documentary video clips on what is really going on in occupied Palestinian territories.

Never mind Ben White, try Prof Avi Shalim on: Zionism today is the Real Enemy of the Jews:
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/Zionism%20AS.pdf

“his perception that Israel is behaving like Nazis in Gaza”

Difficult to know where to start with the stupidity of that comparison isn’t it?

‘It’s a wonder you can make any comment about the “piece”, given your refusal to address any of the specifics. ‘

In which case, White, the converse is true, isn’t it? You never actually get to grips with specifics of your opponents’ case, do you? Not since you turned off comments on your site and stopped posting at Engage altogether, at any rate.

There is much objectionable about Israeli Jewish society, nationalism, Zionism etc. But you strip away the context, and all justification (or the most substantial justification) for them a priori, or at least as much as you can get away with.

Your ‘Just Peace’ initiative was a joke, wasn’t it? As if the Holocaust was the chief justification for Israel, as though it were the beginning of 2000 years of Jewish statelessness and dispossession, rather than the nadir.

You whitewash or airbrush out all together the history of modern Palestinian and other Arab Muslim and Christian nationalism, excising its sins, as much as possible, adducing as many Israeli, Palestinian or Zionist Jewish sins as possible.

I.e. you act very much like a lawyer or advocate of a particular cause in the court of history. Which is fine as a piece of legalist, nationalist rhetoric. And no doubt just, with a lower caste j, in a very narrow, nationalist, particular sense.

Where you come unstuck is when you claim this to be just in a more universal, Christian sense. Just with a captial j.

BUT WHAT ABOUT HAMAS!?!?! Why is no-one talking about Hamas!?!

Just quickly Flying Rodent – no, I don’t think you’re being a dick, and I guess in so far as I might possibly want to cut Jewish Israelis some slack for holding points of view I think objectionable, I would also cut Arab Israelis the same slack for holding views I think objectionable, the other way – and acknowledge the way some on both sides (eg Bassam Aramin) manage to rise above personal tragedy in their quest for both justice and peace.

71. Chaise Guevara

@ 37 Charlieman

“It’s more likely that Sunny keeps a closer eye on posts about Israel or abortion than other topics. Then there are other topics that bring in contributors (right-libertarians) who have never visited before.”

Abortion is the other topic that seems to see a lot of deletions – and given how people in general act when Israel or abortion is up for debate, that doesn’t surprise me. In debates where people tend to throw insults like “antisemite”/”islamophobe” and “baby-killer/mysogynist” around simply because people disagree with them, I guess it’s understandable that deletions are common.

@76: “BUT WHAT ABOUT HAMAS!?!?! Why is no-one talking about Hamas!?!”

Probably because more than a few folk around the world heartily agree with Gerald Kaufman that Israel is behaving like the Nazis in Gaza and because Israelis have been perpetrating atrocities on Palestinians for decades – try the citations @22, @23, @24 – and the YouTube links @68.

Do try and face the reality. At the UN debate on the partition of Palestine in November 1947, the UK representative abstained warning that partition would lead to continuing conflict, which it has.

‘BUT WHAT ABOUT HAMAS!?!?! Why is no-one talking about Hamas!?!’

Actually, more like,

‘Why is no-one talking about Palestinian and other Arab Muslims and Christians, and their attitudes and behaviour towards Jews for the last 100 years or so? Of which Hamas is only the latest manifestation but entirely of a piece with the Palestinian Arab Muslim (and to a degree Christian) nationalist movement as it emerged most coherently from the late 1920s?’

I.e Duncan, you Christian friend of Ben you,

‘Why extracting the mote from Anglo-Jewish eyes while not extracting the plank from your own?’

“Why extracting the mote from Anglo-Jewish eyes while not extracting the plank from your own?’”

Because Israel has been perpetrating atrocities on Palestinians for decades – see the citations @22, @23, @24.

“Why extracting the mote from Anglo-Jewish eyes while not extracting the plank from your own?’”

‘Probably because more than a few folk around the world heartily agree with Gerald Kaufman that Israel is behaving like the Nazis in Gaza and because Israelis have been perpetrating atrocities on Palestinians for decades – try the citations @22, @23, @24 – and the YouTube links @68

Do try and face the reality. At the UN debate on the partition of Palestine in November 1947, the UK representative abstained warning that partition would lead to continuing conflict, which it has.’

Exactly: Palestinian Arab Muslim and Christian nationalists rejected partition and fought a war of expulsion or elimination against Israeli Jews, in the case of the P.L.O. until 1988; in the case of Hamas until today.

It’s no good complaining that Israeli Jews do and have done bad things to Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians while conspicuously ignoring the fact that Palestinian and other Arab Muslims and Christians have threatened and done bad things to Israeli, Palestinian and other Jews.

It’s a conflict, with two sides. If Israel is the stronger it is because if it were not, it wouldn’t exist. In any case, while the stronger, in comparison with Palestinian and other Arab Muslims and Christians, it is the numerically smaller.

Ben White:

‘Before expulsions and legislative exclusion, they were the majority.’

Whose fault is that? Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians threatened and executed expulsions against Palestinian Jews.

Not to mention the fact that, as Christians and Muslims, historically regarded expulsion entirely Jews’ just fate for their sins. Again which fact is curiously omitted from Ben White’s allegedly Christian view of the conflict.

Boyo: Isn’t this just like saying why don’t more British Muslim organisations speak out against repressive Islamic regimes

They don’t, in the way that Engage and BoD defend Israel (which they’re right to do), but even if they did – you wouldn’t want them to highlight human rights abuses in those countries?

How very odd? We have a bunch of people who spend half their time criticising Muslims for not tackling Islamism enough, complaining about a post where leading cheerleaders for Israel are asked why they don’t condemn such prominent examples of racism as well.

Apparently its “progressive” in certain circles to give Israel a free pass because its surrounded by countries with worse records.

‘2. Most generous interpretation of a connection is a suggestion of collective punishment ie the racist policies are justified for “security reasons”’

But, White, you construct your entire discourse on the basis that Palestinian and other Jews have never had any legitimate security concerns with regard to Palestinian and other Arab Muslims and Christians. You adduce every threat and act of aggression of Palestinian and Israeli Jews, but excise from the historical record, omit or ignore as many of your fellow Palestinian Christians and, by extension, Muslims, as you think you can get away with.

It’s almost as though you view Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians as a nation of priests and saints.

Your book is a litany of of Zionist, Palestinian or Israeli Jewish sins, with nary a mention of those of Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians.

In fact, in the historical portion, curiously, while Zionist, Palestinian or Israeli Jews are mentioned often by name, not a single Palestinian Arab Muslim or Christian is named in the narrative.

They seem to be a cipher-victim people to you, with no real identity save as victims of Zionist Jewish aggression.

Can you be really surprised when people question your grasp of the history of the conflict, your definition of justice with regard to it or even, dare one say, your good faith?

It is somewhat hypocritical of Ben White to criticize the BoD given his own acceptance of a two state solution i.e. any kind of state of Israel is one somewhat temporary and provisional, and based on an almost complete inability to subject his fellow Palestinian Christians and, by extension, Muslims to anything like the same moral scrutiny as he does Israeli, Palestinian and, now, British Jews.

His Christian evaluation is one that is profoundly pro-Palestinian Arab Muslim and Christian, but anti-Jewish, nationalist.

Ben White is insisting that British Jews morally perfect Israeli Jews (out of existence?), but scarcely feels able to do the same for those whose cause he has adopted.

In traditional Christian moral terms, that is called ‘hypocrisy’.

Sunny. As i said before you deleted my comment, i can’t see any articles on Engage that cheer for Israel, but i see many articles critical of Israel – eg on Combatants For Peace, The new Israel Fund, the boycott of settlement goods. If you’re going to make accusations Sunny, at least base it on facts and stop claiming what you want rather than what there actually is.

So again Sunny , show me the cheerleading articles or admit that you’re wrong.

It’s also creepy to refer to supporters of Israel in Britain as ‘cheerleaders’.

‘Cheerleaders’ is a highly loaded, pejorative term, carrying nuances of both superficiality and amorality: these supporters allegedly ‘cheer on’ Israel, right or wrong, encouraging others to do so. Their support is based on superficial motives, such as those who cheer on a game of sport (not to mention the implied effeminization, and sexual innuendo as metaphor for material gain and lust).

Ben White only recently accepted any kind of Israel by supporting a two state solution (no earlier than 2007, so far as I can see). But he continues to qualify it to such an extent, at the same time frequently advocating a one state solution, in the end advocating only a temporary state of affairs in the vein of PSC, that he would make virtually any supporter of Israel, who believed it was a fundamentally legitimate entity brought about by fundamentally legitimate means and for fundamentally legitimate reasons as a ‘cheerleader’ on the wrong side of his moral border/partition. And Ben White’s partition/separation/apartheid puts Jewish nationalism firmly beyond the pale.

Along with the vast number of British Jews who sympathize with it.

‘ And Ben White’s partition/separation/apartheid puts Jewish nationalism firmly beyond the pale.’

Even as he and Stephen Sizer would anathematize Christian sympathy for it as heresy.

Ben White is assiduously drawing the borders.

Ben White is an advocate of apartheid: apartheid against Jewish nationalism and the Jewish nationalist narrative.

And now he is attempting to effect an apartheid against Anglo-Jewish sympathy for both.

In this respect, he is a lot like the ancient church fathers, except without the honesty to remember that they regarded the Jews as an ethno-national group exiled and dispossessed. As have held most European, North African, Asian and, above all, Palestinian Christians, for most of Christian history, until they recently suffered a bout of selective amnesia, called The Kairos Document.

Try this news report in The Times of 2006 shows just how deeply sick leading Israeli politicians are:

“The rightwingers, including Binyamin Netanyahu, the former Prime Minister, are commemorating the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of British rule, that killed 92 people and helped to drive the British from Palestine.

“They have erected a plaque outside the restored building, and are holding a two-day seminar with speeches and a tour of the hotel by one of the Jewish resistance fighters involved in the attack.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece

The organiser of that atrocity at the King David Hotel in 1946, Menachem Begin, founded the Likud Party in 1973 and duly became Israel’s PM 1977-83, thereby proving that terrorism pays political dividends.

But what’s new? In 1940, when Britain was at war with Nazi Germany, the Stern gang sought an alliance with the Nazis to drive Britain out of Palestine where as League of Nations mandate authority, Britain was vainly trying to hold the peace between the indigenous Arab inhabitants and the jewish immigrants.

Try the Wiki entry for Irgun for a history of the resistance to the British mandate in Palestine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

Ethnic inequality is a legal norm, when you’re at war. What makes Israel unique is that they are feeding, housing, schooling, and healing their admitted enemy in a war that is not yet over. And yet they still manage to give them equal rights under the law, including the right to vote, right to employment in the civil service, right to own property etc. etc. Face it, if you want discrimination you really ought to go to Lebanon or Jordan, or any other Arab country for that matter, where many citizens do not have some or any of those rights.

@84

And what of the conquered Palestinian territories that Israel illegally occupies and where it continues to approve the building of housing settlements for Israeli citizens regardless of whether that stops the peace process?

Very likely all sorts of activities ranging from the unpleasant to the despotic occur in Arab and other countries further away but the issue here is cheerleading for Israel in the UK.

The fact is that Israelis have definitively proved that terrorism is effective in securing political goals, especially in the acquisition and defence of territory. By electing terrorists to high political office, they have shown how much they esteem Israeli terrorists for what they have achieved for Israel. Why do they suppose Palestinians should subscribe to different sentiments about terrorism?

@85

settlements illegal? Not even close. The resolution in question put the onus on the Arabs to respect Israel’s right to live in peace, which they have never done, therefore Israel didn’t and doesn’t have to leave the territories.

Israeli terrorists? No. Attacking schoolbuses? Children? Slitting their throats as they sleep? Celebrating afterwards by handing out candy? You think that’s the same as what happened ? It is not. The Israeli “terrorists” phoned in advanced warnings, which were ignored. They didn’t mean to kill people, they just wanted to blow stuff up and force the Brits to stop endangering Jewish lives.

No, Israel has never stooped to the level of the Arabs.

“The resolution in question put the onus on the Arabs to respect Israel’s right to live in peace, which they have never done, therefore Israel didn’t and doesn’t have to leave the territories. ”

That’s not the view of UN but then Israel regularly ignors UN resolutions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

“No, Israel has never stooped to the level of the Arabs.”

That’s a damnable lie. Just compare the respective fatal casualties in the recent conflicts in Lebanon and Gaza as well as the atrocities cited @22, @23, @24. Read Avi Shlaim on: The Iron Wall (Penguin Books 2001) on the history of the Palestine conflict. Many folk around the world agree with Gerald Kaufman’s take: Israel behaving like Nazis in Gaza.

88. Davey Boy

You censor what you can’t argue with! I see.
Good, it makes me stronger.
And all those like me who despise the apologists and traitors (who never you notice piss off to some Islamic shit hole or rusty commie gulag, they all sat here spitting hate) that have crawled out of the wood work since 9/11.
Something you all cheered I’m sure.

You hypocritical, commie, Islamist fanboy cunts.

89. David Hodd

Try these links for insights into Israel’s supposedly estimable humane values and its concern for human rights:

“Soon after the Israeli withdrawal from South Lebanon, the guards of the notorious Khiam prison fled, leaving the prisoners free.

“More than 100 men women and children had been held in appalling conditions.

“The jail is now empty and a flag of the Lebanese Hezbollah is posted at the gates, but the prisoners’ testimonies and the cells bear witness to what went on inside.

“Prisoners, some jailed for over ten years without trial, were crammed into tiny, filthy spaces where they ate and slept.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/766746.stm

Report of Physicians For Human Rights, November 2000:

“PHR sent a medical team to Israel, Gaza and the West Bank from October 20-27, 2000 to investigate claims that Israel Defense Force (IDF) is using excessive force in the current conflict that has pitted Israeli troops and settlers against Palestinian demonstrators and combatants. (full report attached) . .

“Physicians for Human Rights USA (PHR) finds that the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) has used live ammunition and rubber bullets excessively and inappropriately to control demonstrators, and that based on the high number of documented injuries to the head and thighs, Israeli soldiers appear to be shooting to inflict harm, rather than solely in self-defense.

“The three person team was composed of forensic pathologists Robert Kirschner, M.D., University of Chicago Medical School, Nizam Peerwani, M.D., Tarrant County Medical Examiner’s Office, and James C. Cobey, M.D., M.P.H., an orthopaedic surgeon based in Washington, D.C.”
http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/library/documents/reports/report-useofforce-israel.pdf

91. Chaise Guevara

@ 88 Davey Boy

“You hypocritical, commie, Islamist fanboy cunts.”

Tell me: what’s it like to be so pathetic that the only way you can feel good about yourself is by throwing childish insults at people on the internet?

What a foolish article – as if the repopulation of Zion by its own people could be considered an act of racism!

What’s the only country in the Arab world that has not suffered popular demonstrations demanding change? Hint: it’s the only country where over a million Arabs enjoy democracy and full human rights.

As for Ben White’s talk of “expulsions” in 1848: this is just revisionist propaganda designed to delegitimize Israel by claiming it was ‘born in sin’ rather than by the heroism of young Zionists (many of whom were Holocaust survivors) fighting simultaneously 6 invading Arab armies which had been armed and trained by the British.

According to Benny Morris, the leading historian of Israel’s war of independence, there were occasional expulsions on both sides and the refugee situation was pretty much the same as it is in any conflict.


Reactions: Twitter, blogs
  1. Liberal Conspiracy

    Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  2. Real World News

    Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz via @libcon #Zionism #Gaza #Palestine #Apartheid #BDS

  3. Solomirar.com

    RT @marmite_news: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz via @libcon #Zionism #Gaza #Palestine # …

  4. John Symons

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  5. Ben White

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  6. Anwar

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  7. Ben White

    my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  8. fatin nadhirah

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  9. MiaQ

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  10. Middle East Monitor

    Ben White:Why do #Israel's cheerleaders in the #UK ignore its racism? rt @libcon @benabyad http://fb.me/VuYjZWL6

  11. Khaled Hishma

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  12. SHAZIA ARSHAD

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  13. Ben White

    @BoardofDeputies @engageonline @_LFI Hate speech & racist laws against Israel’s Pal citizens? Almost total silence http://bit.ly/efHASj

  14. MiaQ

    RT @MiddleEastMnt: Ben White:Why do #Israel's cheerleaders in the #UK ignore its racism? rt @libcon @benabyad http://fb.me/VuYjZWL6

  15. Lee Hyde

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  16. Olívia Azevedo

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  17. maya

    RT @MiddleEastMnt: Ben White:Why do #Israel's cheerleaders in the #UK ignore its racism? rt @libcon @benabyad http://fb.me/VuYjZWL6

  18. David McMillan

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  19. Paul Crowley

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  20. notbad

    RT @MiddleEastMnt: Ben White:Why do #Israel's cheerleaders in the #UK ignore its racism? rt @libcon @benabyad http://fb.me/VuYjZWL6

  21. Pucci Dellanno

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz @Mondoweiss

  22. Peter Berry

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  23. Hybrid States

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  24. sunny hundal

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  25. joe donnelly

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  26. Safa Mubgar

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  27. abdulkader alguneid

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  28. Yonmei

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  29. Nick H.

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  30. Ziggy Stardust

    RT @marmite_news Why do #Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz via @libcon #Zionism #Gaza #Palestine #edl

  31. Brooke Fisher

    Why do Israel's cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism … http://bit.ly/hgh89n

  32. Nicola Chan

    RT @benabyad: my post at @libcon "Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism?" http://bit.ly/efHASj #fb

  33. Sharif Olorin

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  34. Allan Siegel

    if "the Min. for Housing and Local Government declared it “a national duty to prevent the spread” of Asian Britons.http://bit.ly/eVziTe

  35. Daniel Pitt

    RT @libcon: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  36. Hate Knows No Borders | Yilmaz Alimoglu

    […] Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? (liberalconspiracy.org) […]

  37. Phantom

    Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz

  38. Ziggy Stardust

    RT @marmite_news Why do #Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz #ukuncut #Zionism #Gaza #Palestine #edl

  39. Kim W

    Reading: Why do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? | http://t.co/6IhsvMC via @libcon

  40. Ziggy Stardust

    RT @marmite_news Why do #Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz #ukuncut #Zionism #Gaza #Palestine #edl

  41. Ziggy Stardust

    RT @marmite_news Why do #Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? http://bit.ly/f4kUMz #ukuncut #Zionism #Gaza #Palestine #edl

  42. Israel Political » Politics of Israel

    […] ConflictAntisemitism and Political Blogging: Personal ReflectionsThe New Gaza-Israel WarWhy do Israel’s cheerleaders in the UK ignore its racism? // 0) { //0==expires on browser close var cdate = new Date(); […]





Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.