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More evidence of police brutality emerges


3:16 pm - November 26th 2010

by Sunny Hundal    


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Another video has emerged of police going into a young student crowd on horses, earlier this week.

This one also shows police pushing into the protesters with horses to cries of ‘scum, scum’.

via @Steveistall

The video doesn’t show as much aggression as the last one.

But what’s significant here is that even though two separate videos have emerged of policemen on horses pushing into crowds, the police deny this happened.

Update: A reader tells us this video above was from Manchester; which indicates usage of horses in London was not an isolated incident.

A spokesman for the Metropolitan police told the Guardian:

Police horses were involved in the operation, but that did not involve charging the crowd.

I dare say they [officers policing the Whitehall demonstrations] were doing the movements the horses do to help control the crowd for everyone’s benefit, which has been a recognised tactic for many, many years, but no, police officers charging the crowd – we would say, ‘No, they did not charge the crowd.’

In neither of the cases does it look like the use of horses helped ‘control’ the crowd.

Update

A picture has also emerged of a police media firing a toxic fire-extinguisher at police

Metro reports

In pictures, the officer can be seen discharging the halon device – banned for civilian use because of its environmental impact – above the head of a demonstrator during Wednesday’s march against increased tuition fees. The protester shuts his eyes as someone behind him shields their face with their hands.

One witness was quoted on Indymedia as saying: ‘I saw the shocking sight of a police medic putting his arm through the officers in front of him and spraying a BCF halon fire extinguisher at the faces of some of the protesters caught at the front of the crowd.’

Halon extinguishers contain toxic elements such as bromine and fluorine, and have been linked to breathing difficulties, skin and eye irritation, dizziness and even unconsciousness.

And yet the police keep maintaining their response was “proportional”.

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Reader comments


Doesn’t look like a charge either.

That really isn’t a charge, as you surely know.

You risk making words meaningless and your ‘narrative’ to be easily shot down.

Get a grip – this is Manchester – it’s not even closely resembling anything like a charge either.

A spokesman for the Metropolitan police told the Guardian:

Police horses were involved in the operation, but that did not involve charging the crowd.

That sounds about right from what the video shows; the untruths are being told in the title of the post not by the Police.

If the horses were moving any slower they would de-evolve into some form of reptile/centaur hybrid, and this could psoe a real threat to the crowd

I’ve had several people message me and email me and say they were charged at by the police on horses.

Secondly, the second video isn’t as incriminating as the first one (which clearly showed police aggression) but it blows apart the police assertion that was only done to ‘control crowds’.

In this case they were pushing into the crowds for no obvious reason.

So change the heading from “Second video of police horse-charge emerges” to “More people have emailed me to say police horses charged, video shows an unenthusiastic trot towards protestors, followed by a complete stop just before reaching them at which point the horses then begin to move through the crowd at an even slower trot”

I can’t play the sound as I’m at work – who’s shouting calling who ‘scum’?

Sunny, it makes you less credible to claim that the second video shows a charge because it clearly does not.

As for the first video, the horses in the background appear to be moving quite swiftly while the one that appears in the foreground appears to be walking. Either way, if you’re not used to being around horses – and relatively few people are – they can be intimidating, which is one reason they are used by the police.

Either way, if you’re not used to being around horses – and relatively few people are – they can be intimidating, which is one reason they are used by the police.

So, erm, that makes it ok? Not sure what your point is here? We should treat students, most of them innocent of any dangerous activity, like drunk football hooligans?

@10 – Don’t you mean hooligans, whats being drunk and a football fan got to do with owt?

@Sunny

Much respect for your excellent site but by posting the headline ““Second video of police horse charge emerges” next to a video that doesn’t show a horse charge are you not asking to be laughed at?

Sunny,

Either way, if you’re not used to being around horses – and relatively few people are – they can be intimidating, which is one reason they are used by the police.

So, erm, that makes it ok? Not sure what your point is here? We should treat students, most of them innocent of any dangerous activity, like drunk football hooligans?

I think that’s something you’ve inferred rather than something I’ve implied.

Interesting that your first response to criticism of your fact-free hyperbole is to put words in other people’s mouths rather than hold up your hands and say, “yes on reflection you’re right – my mistake.”

Did you hear of the boy who cried wolf?

And now the headline is “More evidence of police brutality emerges” (of course “horse charge” remains in the URL).

“Brutality” now includes walking horses through a crowd of protesters that don’t appear to be frightened.

Police used trained velociraptors against ten year old children

Now there’s a headline that’s just as factual.

14

I rather like that as a headline tho …. you don’t by any chance moonlight as a Daily Mail headline writer do you ukliberty? 😉

ukliberty – sory, but there was no ‘mistake’ – you don’t agree with my interpretation of events, fine. You think it’s an exaggeration, that’s up to you.

You’re of course welcome to dissent and judge for yourself. But there was no “mistake”. I didn’t accuse the police of shooting people in the face.

The headline was changed because of the update.

As for me putting words into people’s mouths – it seems like you don’t like others interpreting differently from your own view either. What a surprise.

Headline fixed. Now then..

Protesters: please do not try to hold the police responsible for government policy.

Police: please treat students with the respect due to a political demonstration, they are not drunks fighting after a nightclub!

More assertions of police brutality would be more accurate?

Sunny, are you trying to be Labour’s next Alastair Campbell with headlines like that?? (before you changed it, although of course humiliatingly it’s still in the URL)

You always back down when someone calls you out on your sensationalist headlines. Or when one of your writers posts homophobic stuff, like Unity did

James – read comment #16. Not backed down at all. I’m not bothered at all if some don’t like my interpretation of events. I changed the headline to reflect the update.

Maybe if you’d tone the rhetoric down a bit you wouldn’t gat psychopaths like ‘George’ advocating attacks on police *horses* on the other thread.

Ahh right – so I’m responsible for what others say on LC too. Very clever

23. Ian Tomlinson

Another shocking video.

The moment when one of the stormtroopers looked directly at some of the protestors sent a chill down my spine.

Recent campaign group statistics reveal that over the course of a lifetime more than one in ten students, possibly much greater, will be mowed down by a GMP horse. You boy! stop sniggering at the back.

I don’t really understand this blog. Horses are routine, I agree that calling it brutality is completely counter-productive.

On the other hand the use of a fire extinguisher in that way looks unacceptable.

Is someone who was there following it up?

“The *usage* of horses”??????

Come, come.

“Halon extinguishers contain toxic elements such as bromine and fluorine, and have been linked to breathing difficulties, skin and eye irritation, dizziness and even unconsciousness.”

No, I know, this is the newspaper not Sunny but dear God.

A little chemistry please.

Yes, sure, halon extinguishers contain Br and F. Because Br and F are, along with I and Cl, the “halides”. But their in compounds, not elemental.

Complaining about there being F in a compound in a fire extinguisher is like complaining that there’s Cl in salt water. Or, would you believe, F being the “flouride” part of your toothpaste.

No one is splaying elemental fluorine around.

As to causing dizzyness, well, duh! They’re made for fighting electrical fires. Ones where you really don’t want to spray liquids around. They do this by preventing the chemical reactions which allow a fire to continue. Now, the reason we use them (rather than, say, CO2, a possible alternative) is because you can pump more of them into a room, without the people in the room dying, than you can of the alternatives. A concentration of CO2 required to put out a fire can easily kill those in the room (must be an enclosed space!) while using Halon makes people a bit dizzy.

you don’t agree with my interpretation of events, fine. You think it’s an exaggeration, that’s up to you.

“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory,’ ” Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’ ”

“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

I think we need to revisit the issue of the legality of kettling and broaden the challenges to it. There was a lot of discussion in April 2009 about the impact of kettling on the ‘deprivation of liberty’ of protestors caught in the kettle. Sunder at Next Left is one example . That is very important.

In addition, I think kettling produces a fundamental change in the right to protest. For example. people who are physically disabled, or with mobility problems, pregnant women, people needing to take medication at regular intervals, people who want to ‘return to work/education sessions’ after a short period, etc. etc. all are now effectively prohibited from attending a demonstration because of the ‘fear of kettling.’

As kettling becomes a routine method of police control of demonstrations, people who cannot afford to commit to an indefinite period of detention cannot attend protests.

As a personal example, I might want to attend a protest, but only for a short period since I am still recovering from the effects of a broken ankle. However, I can no longer realistically exercise this right because I cannot afford to spend the time that ‘kettling’ imposes. I know several lecturers who did not attend the protest this time precisely for that reason: they could not afford to be kettled and thereby miss giving lectures.

This raises issues of equal rights to protest. Obviously, the police do not give ‘fair warning’ of the kettle, so people cannot make a reasonable calculation that it is time to leave!

May I direct the trolls and bores who think this is all just a routine reaction to legitimate political protest to the website Harry’s Place, where intense machismo and comments starting, “you think that’s violent … ” are encouraged. And you won’t have to put up with people who think keeping 14 year old kids out on a cold street in late November and then moving into the packed crowd with horses is not only incredibly counter-productive but more importantly dangerous.

I reckon the vast majority of people on the student demos have never been on demos before. Do you reckon their response to this really heavy-handed and aggressive policing is going to make them sympathetic to the police’s case, or, and I think this is much more likely, cause them to view the police as heavy-handed and aggressive?

31. DarkestAngel

I want to do a little experiment. Everyone just imagine for a moment that they are 14 years old again.

Now, in your new 14 year old state, imagine that a full grown horse is heading towards you, whether it is going full speed, or a canter is irrelavant to me. How tall is it exactly? Alot taller than you at 14 I suspect. Ok, now imagine that you have nowhere to escape to out of it’s path. Now imagine that someone you have been brought up to respect, trust and obey is riding that horse at you. How scared are you? How are you going to react? I, for one, would be petrified, having never experienced anything like that before.

Please remember that alot of these protesters were children, that’s people under the age of 18 years old. As a parent myself I will never condone this kind of behaviour, purposely frightening children is very wrong, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to have a long hard look at themselves.

As for the fire extinguisher, that’s despicable. It seems the police forgot that people bring their own cameras these days and almost everything is captured on them. Perhaps next time they will remember this and keep their horses and fire extinguishers to themselves amongst a peaceful group of protesters. Did anyone notice the police going to the aid of their abandoned vehicle? No, neither did I.

The police wear the skull and crossbones of the state. Theey always have and always will. I remember a police officer giving a talk at school about 30 years ago. He said he would have to arrest his granny if he had to, it was part of the job that he couldn’t show favouratism and had to enforce the law regardless of who committed the offence.

Now I understand the police mindset more than ever. I’m quite convinced they would use firearms against an unarmed crowd if they were commanded from above.

I want to do a little experiment. Everyone just imagine for a moment that they are 14 years old again.

Now, in your new 14 year old state, imagine that a full grown horse is heading towards you, whether it is going full speed, or a canter is irrelavant to me. How tall is it exactly? Alot taller than you at 14 I suspect. Ok, now imagine that you have nowhere to escape to out of it’s path. Now imagine that someone you have been brought up to respect, trust and obey is riding that horse at you. How scared are you? How are you going to react? I, for one, would be petrified, having never experienced anything like that before.

Please remember that alot of these protesters were children, that’s people under the age of 18 years old. As a parent myself I will never condone this kind of behaviour, purposely frightening children is very wrong, and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to have a long hard look at themselves.

I know the police are always in the wrong, but it might possibly be the case that they thought using mounted police to intimidate people without causing physical harm was a more proportionate response to a perceived problem than sending in the TSG fully revved up and geared up for a fight.


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