So the BNP are not very nice after all – thanks for the update

good to have details for the bank though isn’t Dave, or would you prefer a one size fits all “they’re all fascists” approach?

I think Dave’s got that Confirmation Blindness Owen at The Third Estate talks about. The BNP are scum, but when there’s no cost highlighting this fact in a new way, why not do so?

I was just expecting something a little bit more than what a builder who lives with his mum puts on facebook, thats all.

@3 – Just read that article, and your absolutely 100% correct about me, very interesting theory and I believe it

With this in mind I would like to apologise to Carl for the sarcastic nature of my post and ask him to keep up the good work.

What is this obsession with a small right wing party.
There are more racists in golf , rugby and conservative clubs. My god, Dennis and Maggie Thatcher use to call black commonwealth leaders COONs.
The BNP are the brown shirts. The right wing tories are the black shirts
The conservative groups dislike the BNP because it hides their own racist views.
Ask the conservative migration watch and the BNP what are their views on immigration and Europe. You will find there is little difference

The conservative groups dislike the BNP because it hides their own racist views.

I doubt it. Wouldnt this be a reason for liking them?

I doubt it. Wouldnt this be a reason for liking them?

I have a feeling they want to look reasonable when their views on immigration are expressed. A fine way of doing is this is saying
“Eh I hate the BNP as much as you but we have to look at the problem of immigration, Powell wasn’t completely wrong”
Then the precede to say the exact same thing as the BNP.
Also the Tories want to be looked on as a changed party.

Also the Tories want to be looked on as a changed party.

Exactly, so they have the BNP to compare themselves too, rather than change it must be easier to just stand next to someone whos worse than you are

@4 Dave;

I think it is necessary to have information like this during the BNPs continued flirtation with the respectable political party image

@5 Rhys;

I think if you can find a golf club whose members post racist comments to their facebook pages, collate them up, you could have a pretty interesting blog post there. I’d even offer my comments.

As for the Tories hating the BNP because the latter hides their racism, that’s obviously not true, and looking at the example you gave @7, you give a perfect example of why racists within the Tory party would like the existence of the BNP; so they can hold similar views while appealing to the majority of people who find the BNP unpalatable, thereby showcasing their racism as respectable rather than jackbooted.

good points Carl and Dave

@5 Rhys:

What is this obsession with a small right wing party.

In my corner of east Lancs the BNP are very much the threat to civil life and political discourse. In short: they’re dangerous thugs and need to be exposed as such at every opportunity. Plenty of my peers have voted or considered voting BNP because they see them as a legitimate party, not as the neo-fascist scum that they are. UAF and Hope Not Hate do a great job in highlighting the extremist ideology behind the BNP “thinking” but no-one should be complacent about the threat they pose.

@ Carl, soz about this

‘you give a perfect example of why racists within the Tory party would like the existence of the BNP; so they can hold similar views while appealing to the majority of people who find the BNP unpalatable, thereby showcasing their racism as respectable rather than jackbooted’

Completely agree but the Tory party have bugger all control over the BNP and aren’t attacking the same votes so, simply to acknowledge them as a legitimate ally in certain electoral battle is simply a case of ‘my enemies enemy is my friend’. I’m not completely sure that to insinuate that the BNP is appreciated is accurate, they exist and you’ve got to work with what you’re given. Any party provides cover for slipping in ideas; the prison debate at the moment is a fine example of how the co-alotion is fluid.

I’m in no way stating that the Tory party doesn’t have racist elements. I think all parties have their cliques but I can’t really ever believe that any normal Tory would engage in a rational debate about repatriation or some other spurious drivel. It’s not that mental the Tories & the Libs coalescing (sp) as the liberal wing in the Tory party shits all over the radical nutjobs. Racism seems like a proper hard job for fuck all profit, frankly.

Appreciate that Richard the Prig @12

my comment re tories and racism was in reply to an earlier comment, not sure if you saw the context

@Carl. I sure did bud but as the thread started off, no harm in repeating it. The BNP are, at best, apparently alright lads – i’ve had many cigarettes outside the town hall with a BNPer. It doesn’t feel right trying to convert him; that sounds dead patronizing and it ain’t meant to but, if that’s his gig then fair play to him. Genuinely, I do mean that. Fair play to him – it defo is my job to covet votes and try and understand what messages people have to send and if that git has a better understanding of a given locality then, as I don’t live there, it just doesn’t feel like up to me to make every conversation ‘YOU’RE WRONG’ – but just to have a fag with the guy and wind up socialists. Sorry to say it but i have more of a problem with socialists than I do with racists as racists are always cowards. Socialists are bloody dangerous.

“Socialists are bloody dangerous.”

LOL. Light touchpaper and retire to safe distance, prepare to be flamed.

You’re right of course.

@14

I’ve not heard anything about socialists who are armed up to the nines, shoot people in Finsbury Park or blow up gay bars, yet there are notable examples of people doing that who are either proven BNP members or supporters (with only anecdotal evidence or, legally, hearsay). I only wish you were right in saying socialists are dangerous; dangerous in the sense of non-violent threat to the status quo I hasten to add.

@16 – Carl. Yeah, you’re probably right. Accuse myself of hyperbole and that was out of order. A hate crime is a hate crime and racism is random whereas perhaps socialism is the complete opposite – regulated in extremis. Yup – bad comparison and a bit flippant.

It just seems that socialists push all argument into their own arena and make Tories out to be the biggest mudda fuckers of ‘em all. I guess i’m just tired of it. Watch what happens when we fuck Northern Ireland up? Racist? It’s too small. Am a bit worried about this academies bill though giving a bit more clout to faith schools and stuff – should probably keep up to date on that. Took a bit of time off to watch the NUT & Labour eat themselves in local councils where they’ve joined. Again, flippant. Just tired and, you know, what would happen if Nick Griffen had any fucking clue? Got to raise a glass to his utter imbecility? Bravo!

@ 16 It’s an uncomfortable fact for the left that more people have been killed in attempts to impose equality, than attempts to impose the opposite

@18 – he’s got a bloody good point about random to fuck, though?

Its an uncomfortable fact for the right that the mightiest warriors for the cause of imposing human inequality have been the fascists, which is why the vast majority of people quite logically describe fascism as “far-right”, despite the squealing of various libertarian-sects to convince them of the errors of their ways. All the deaths caused by the Axis powers of the second wolrd war were therefore very clearly in the cause of defending human inequality. So I do hope you have included everyone killed by the Germans, Japanese and Italians in your little tally Matt.

As can probably be inferred, I hang about in Tory circles and have the scars to proove it. It’s been a while since i’ve used terminology upon a continuum (sp) of right to left – defo about normal & not normal. These gimps in parliament can do whatever the hell they want but i’ll use the same tactic i’ve used since I was 7 and me mum told me to be in for me tea, ‘yeah, mum, be in at 5′ and then just do whatever needed doing and face the consequences later. A really dodgy chap I knew who cheated on his bird loads used to say ‘you can only feel guilty afterwards’.

Don’t like Tatchell; don’t agree with him, think he’s a shithead but he ain’t a fraud, he ain’t campaigning; the daft git believes his shit and by shield or by grieve; i’ve got his back. Dickhead!

I can’t really ever believe that any normal Tory would engage in a rational debate about repatriation or some other spurious drivel

Powell did, and he is certainly the Thatcherite wing of the Tory party great mentor

Matt and Dick
Also lets distinguish the difference between democratic socialists and communists.
A vast number of the victims of Mao, Lenin, pol pot and Stalin were socialists.

Dick, chill out you have got 6 weeks off now unlike the rest of us.

I’m chucking me name down to run an adolescent gay drop in-centre in a big city and proper fingers crossed, i’ll blag it. Ex Tory doing gay politics? Should be alreeet – don’t really do minorities. It does other stuff as well, obviously.

I hope you get it mate.
You sound perfect for the big society.

Cheers Rhys; it’s a bit out of my normal job but i’m quite well trained in fighting for stuff and err…spectacularly losing!! I used to do crime stuff with homophobia and racism and stuff so i’ve got political experience but i’m not completely sure i’d be any good at counselling and the like. Done a bit of drugs counselling (well, err 5 years really I guess – oooh, so lovely that the National Treatment Agency is to be abolished – completely wasted 8 months of my life in that dump) However, can’t hurt popping a bit of effort into the app and turning up and see if the peeps are nice. If i’ve learnt anything it’s not necessarily the job that you do but the people who you work with and who you help. Lasted less than 2 days working in First Direct credit control department. Cheers again.