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Redwood asks people to ‘put on a jumper!’


5:27 pm - June 24th 2010

by Sunny Hundal    


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Here is the Tory right and their reaction to this “age of austerity”.

Yesterday this appeared on John Redwood’s blog:

If you are on a low income then of course cutting spending is difficult or impossible. If you are living a middle-class lifestyle and your income goes down by 10 per cent you have plenty of options.

You can holiday nearer home and cut out the foreign trip. You can eat at home more than in restaurants. You can trade down for a cheaper car.

You can draw some money out of the savings account to tide you over until your income goes up again. You can buy more of the value items at the supermarket and put more vegetarian dishes into menus.

You can discover home entertainment to keep the leisure bill down. You can turn down the thermostat a little and put on a jumper.

Put on a jumper! I’m sure voters will appreciate such incisive advice.

The story has now hit the Daily Mirror, and now the Daily Mail, John Redwood quickly took down that blog post.

The right-wing Tory MP claimed £3,275 in expenses towards decorating his second home.

Update: I wrote earlier that the blog post was no longer to be found. Actually, it’s still there. I’ve amended the headline

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And it’s still good advice – reducing central heating bills is a good way of reducing household expenditure. What’s your problem with it?

Curse these politicians who give honest advice in straightforward language! What we want are people who can synergise the paradigms of hope with the concrete abstractions of poetic symbolic ideology and thereby re-engineer a future fair for all.

Go and put on a jumper.

3. Luis Enrique

If you are on a low income then of course cutting spending is difficult or impossible. If you are living a middle-class lifestyle and your income goes down by 10 per cent you have plenty of options …..

Sunny, have another read of that … isn’t he telling those living a “middle-class lifestyle” to put on a jumper etc., after having said that those on low incomes find cutting spending “difficult or impossible”.

You need to edit than headline again!

Actually, he says that the poor have few if any options to cut costs, and it is the middle classes who can cut costs, by for example, cutting heating bills a bit and putting on a jumper instead.

You might decry the advice, but no where does he tell the poor what to do.

Of course it’s OK if the Greens tell us to turn the heating down and put on a jumper.

They’re nice people, you see.

cjcjcj still not telling the truth about his tory bias.

please amend the misleading headline of your piece to the more accurate ‘redwood suggests the middle class put on a jumper’

“reducing central heating bills is a good way of reducing household expenditure”

Yes, though doing it by turning the central heating down (as opposed to by investing in insulation, a more efficient boiler, etc. which cost money that you won’t get back for a few years – more if you do it without a grant – and need to have upfront) can have effects on health, exacerbate damp problems in the house, and so on and end up costing you more in the long run. There’s only so far it can be turned down without problems.

The Greens are trying to change legislation rather than burden the individual – that’s the Tories’ job. If Redwood suggests those less financially secure than him should change their ways that’s bad enough, but to acknowledge that the poor are screwed is even worse. The cabinet has a couple dozen millionaires in it and the people don’t appreciate suggestions like this from them; they need to make cuts first. That’s the thing with this budget business isn’t it? Instead of taxing those with more, they’re cutting from those with less.

Good old Redwood.

He can always be relied on to prove once again that compassionate conservatism is pile of dog shit.

11. WhatNext?!

I’m relieved that I’m not the only one missing Sunny’s point here. Perhaps he’s going for the Sally vote?

Sunny’s title is correct. If a ‘middle-class’ income drops by ten percent then they are likely to be ‘poor’, considering the amount of debt such households have:

Average household debt in the UK is ~ £8,761 (excluding mortgages). This figure increases to £18,252 if the average is based on the number of households who actually have some form of unsecured loan.

Average household debt in the UK is ~ £57,915 (including mortgages).

http://www.creditaction.org.uk/debt-statistics.html

‘Poor’ households have less debt as they can’t get credit.

What does Redwood plan to do about the people he recognises cannot live on any less than they currently have – ‘cutting spending is difficult or impossible. – ‘who are being hit by the slashing to welfare outlined this week?

Redwood does not have to worry, he has been scrounging off the state for years. All those nice tax payers paying his wages and expenses.

The Greens are trying to change legislation rather than burden the individual

hahahaha

Well, if you’re going to be hit hard by the budget, then you’re not in the well off category are you?

16. Luis Enrique

oh, my mistake. I thought the headline said something about telling the poor to put on a jumper, not “people”

17. the a&e charge nurse

I’m sure Redwood’s sage advice will impact significantly on the 30,000 hypothermia related deaths in the UK?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/276284.stm

Hooray for the kind of logic that puts Mr Spock in the shade !!
http://midlifebatmitzvah.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/spock.jpg

Having just read Redwood’s blog post, he not even telling the middle classes what to do. He’s making an analogy.

Poor people can’t cope with cuts to their income.
Middle-class people can.
The state in the UK is more like a middle-class than a poor state
Therefore, the state can make cuts.

Not sure it deserves comment, really.

The Greens are trying to change legislation rather than burden the individual

Do you think legislation doesn’t burden the individual?

oh, my mistake. I thought the headline said something about telling the poor to put on a jumper, not “people”

The URL says

“…redwood-deletes-blog-asking-poor-to-put-on-a-jumper/”

“Not sure it deserves comment, really.”

Got to love the way the trolls come on this site and tell Sunny what to write.

21. DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells

This is definitely the new ‘get on your bike’.

22. the a&e charge nurse

[18] wrong, Nick – Redwood’s platitudes are simply the latest drip, drip instalment in the coalitions propaganda war.

What does he say of any substance that anybody with an IQ over 80 has not already worked out for themselves?

Reflecting on the relative worth of an article is no more telling Sunny what to write about than noting that the middle classes don’t materially suffer if they lose money is telling the greater public to quit sniveling and put a jumper on.

To me, it just seems that Sunny’s read the article and gotten the wrong impression, then made a lightening-fast reaction post. Actually, we know that’s the case since originally this article was “expenses-claiming tory toff tells the poor to put on a jumper, what a git”.

Personally, i’d have read Redwood’s article and challenged the assertion that the state has “middle-class finances” – which would be an interesting and constructive angle to take, as opposed to claiming something that just isn’t true.

Whether the point he’s making with the analogy is stupid or not is really beside the point in the context of whether the assumptions made in Sunny’s article about the content are actually correct or not. And sorry if longing for correctness makes me a troll – I’ll see if I can work on that.

Sunny,

You are totally misrepresenting what John Redwood was saying in his article by stripping it of its context. He was drawing an analogy between how a household can economise when its income is reduced and how the state can do likewise.

I have blogged about it here:

http://markreckons.blogspot.com/2010/06/john-redwoods-comments-are-being-taken.html

Mark.

25. Luis Enrique

having read original article, I agree this post has misinterpreted it, but think that Redwood’s post is contemptible.

Redwood is drawing an analogy with “the state” living a “middle-class lifestyle”, spending on luxuries and fripperies which it can cut back on, relatively painlessly:

The UK state finds itself in that position today …. it has been dining out on consultants and temporary labour. It needs to do more in house. It has been appointing all too many to exotic job titles which we could manage without, and sending many of them on expensive overseas fact finding trips and seminars.

that might make some sort of sense if we had just had a budget that purely cut spending on consultants, contractors and overseas fact finding trips. But back in the real world, the state has just raised VAT and cut benefits etc.

If Redwood had an ounce of integrity he would not take his tax paid salary and expenses. That would save the tax payer a few hundred grand a year. Seeing as he hates people living off the state it is the only honest thing to do.

God I do get fed up of the Tory scum pretending that Gov spending is exactly the same as household spending. It treats voters as fools and degrades the real arguments into childish analogies more worthy of a GCSE sociology student than (allegedly) intelligent politicians.
But then with Redwood I expect nothing less. I bet he was over the moon about the coalition – finally he can get his 1980’s wank-fantasy of slash’n’burning the State but this time they can blame the LDs for the worst bits! Win/win for the far right-whingers.

Aide memoire:

“‘Get on your bike’ was the advice Norman Tebbit gave to millions of unemployed people in the 80s.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/6660723.stm

Since it wasn’t until the final quarter of 1995 that Britain’s (ILO) standardised unemployment rate fell below that of France, Germany or Italy, I can only assume that folks in those countries were better at cycling.

30. Chaise Guevara

I agree that it’s pretty rich having people who have sponged off the state despite being fairly well-off anyway telling us how easy it is to save money, either at the state level or household level. But I’d also like to know what taking a blog out of context then lying even about the bit you do quote to create a fight out of nothing does to forward the agenda of decent and open politics.

You’ve done exactly what the people over at Mailwatch, Angry Mob etc are constantly warning us to watch out for in the tabloids.

You’ve done exactly what the people over at Mailwatch, Angry Mob etc are constantly warning us to watch out for in the tabloids

Is anyone surprised? This is exactly how Sunny Hundal works. He is is a tabloid blogger.

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/06/24/redwood-deletes-blog-asking-poor-to-put-on-a-jumper/

OK

He didn’t delete the blog post and he wasn’t asking the poor to put on a jumper. However he’s a Tory tosser so WTF.

Ministry of Truth.

Not exactly the weather for heating or sweaters. The again who knows how Redweird’s reptilian metabolism functions.

Maybe the poor should eat their children.

Hey that would work, I’m sure Vulcan will be thinking it.

35. Just Visiting

Sunny

maybe you should hold back until there is something worth writing about.

Like the news this evening of Australia’s first women Prime Minister… none of your recent feminist contributors have said anything here yet.

“maybe you should hold back until there is something worth writing about.”

If only the trolls would take their own advice.

37. Shatterface

‘Like the news this evening of Australia’s first women Prime Minister….’

A rationalist as well.

38. Just Visiting

Shatterface

you got me there…. what did you mean….. (it’s late, I’m tired..help me out?)

39. Charlieman

@34 Sally: “Hey that would work, I’m sure Vulcan will be thinking it.”

I’ve made comments about politicians that I regret. Not because the words were inaccurate but that they were out of place. Too personal.

The Vulcan comparison is like calling Redwood a “functioning Asperger”.

Really, I hope Sunny’s just misread the post, rather than actually being deliberately mis-representative. I /like/ Liberal Conspiracy… I don’t want to see it stooping so low.

Maybe Sunny could clear that up?

Back to constructiveness, what about this idea that the state has the equivalent of middle-class finances? Could Labour’s progressive stuff have been pushed through on less money, pre-financial-crash? Should taxes have been higher?

I don’t think increased spending in a recession is a bad idea – quite the opposite – and it seems to me that a lot of the panic – engineered or not – of the current financial situation stems from the country’s situation going /into/ the recession, rather than on what the recession has done to it. Debt of 50% and a deficit of 3% pre-crash – was that reasonable? (I don’t actually know :p)

41. the a&e charge nurse

[30] “But I’d also like to know what taking a blog out of context then lying even about the bit you do quote to create a fight out of nothing does to forward the agenda of decent and open politics” – hang on, Redwood’s clumsy analogy that the problems facing the state can be likened to a bloated middle class family is yet further evidence of his well known Thatcherite tendencies.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/redwood-the-intellectual-maverick-who-kept-thatcherism-alive-461372.html

Redwood has long yearned for a leaner state, all he has done this time is wrap up his obsession in a domestic homily involving jumpers, veg or a disappointing family holiday in Skegness – Sunny is perfectly entitled to flag this up, since it may well be the shape of things to come when the Tories, sorry I mean the coalition, really get going?

42. Shatterface

‘Shatterface

you got me there…. what did you mean….. (it’s late, I’m tired..help me out?)’

Just that she’s openly secular. Quite rare in politics.

43. Just Visiting

Shatterface

ok. Thanks. Then it’s even more reason that LC should comment on Julia Gillard’s rise to the top job in Australia.

44. WhatNext?!

@41, ah, but Sunny didn’t flag it up. Whilst it may well be wrong of Redwood to compare the UK economy to a middle-class family, this is not the point Sunny made at all. His version pretended that Redwood had told the poor to put jumpers on, which he hadn’t, and the section quoted is entirely out of context. Oddly, this had the affect of making Redwood’s comments seem entirely innocuous: it’s only when you read the whole blog that you realise what the problem might be.

“Redwood deletes blog asking poor to ‘put on a jumper!” He’d have to have written one first wouldn’t he?’

In short, very knee-jerk, and very sloppy (as opposed to just plain dishonest we hope).

@43

And she’s a Welsh-born leftie who mentions Nye Bevan as a political influence 😀
Isn’t one of LC’s resident feminists from that area of the globe..?

[follow-on from @45 – I mean Australasia, not Wales…]

You are totally misrepresenting what John Redwood was saying in his article by stripping it of its context.

No I don’t think I am. People can read and make their own judgements.

But the idea that some of these cuts can only be dealt with by turning down the heating or buying some vegetables is bloody offensive to a lot of people. People who will be turfed out of where they live. People who might die of cold in the winter. People who will end up cutting back on food for their kids (and affect their health and studies).

It’s the kind of attitude that Tories have always had in this country – ‘I’m allright Jack, these proles should stop whining and get on their bikes‘.

I’m staggered that some people don’t see the obvious.

@45 erm, give or take 2000km. “Liberal Conspiracy, the famous Kazakhstan political commentary blog”.

@47 half-agree, half-disagree.

When aimed at middle-class people, what Redwood says is absolutely true, and it’s in line with both green thinking and generally sensible thinking. He’s not saying “shiver in damp houses all winter and eat gruel”, he’s saying “turn the thermostat down from 22 to 18 and eat a bit less meat”.We should do this anyway, recession or no.

However, given the inevitable ‘let them eat cake’ connotations of a fairly hardline Tory saying such things (and the potential for the advice to be taken as applying to the actual poor who’re already barely able to eat well and heat properly), it’s either a breathtakingly inept move politically, or a deliberate attempt to talk up the Tories’ nasty credentials.

In the fight for a constructive debate rather than a pedantic and rather destructive one, can we draw a line under the whole issue of whether the lead in to this blog re: Redwood telling the poor to put a jumper on was misleading or not. That’s not the real issue here (at least not to my mind) so continuing to argue over it isn’t getting anyone anywhere.

The real issues here (again as I see them) are:

1) How reasonable it is to compare the state with the middle class household in budgetry terms;

2) How, if one follows this analogy, this denies (or doesn’t depending on ones view) the fact that it is those who are genuinely poor and in need who actually benefit from the statement and furthermore how taking Redwood’s attitude may harm them;

3) What we as the left can do to a) stop the spread of this attitude and b) help to ensure that the poor and in need get the help & protection from the cuts that they need to survive this.

So with that in mind, what are people’s thoughts on the above?

This is what I have just posted over on my blog in response to your comment:

Sunny,

I think you’d be better off admitting you’ve misrepresented what Redwood is saying rather than denying it. It is obvious when reading through his post that he is drawing an analogy. You appear to be seeing what you expect to see from an “out of touch” Tory rather than what he actually said.

If someone misrepresented your words in the way you have done here you would be rightly very annoyed and I would be the first to defend you.

There is a debate to be had about whether his analogy is right and whether we can compare household level activity with state level activity but I am sorry to say that your post is a distraction from that rather than an aid.

Mark.

52. Luis Enrique

john b @ 49

read the original – Redwood is not saying anything aimed at the middle-classes, he’s not talking about how people can adapt to the cuts, he’s making an analogy in which “the state” has been living a middle-class lifestyle and spending its money carelessly.

Sunny has got it wrong in the OP and again @47. It’s an easy mis-read, no doubt caused by haste, and an understandable opposition to the loathsome Redwood.

53. the a&e charge nurse

[50] “What we as the left can do to;
a) stop the spread of this attitude, and,
b) help to ensure that the poor and in need get the help & protection from the cuts”.

The left must begin by reflecting on their management of the economy because in many peoples minds they were responsible for the invidious financial state the country finds itself in at the moment – not as bad as Greece, perhaps, but all three parties had accepted that the party was over and it was now time to pick up the tab.
http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article1752

Redwood’s longing to recreate Thatcher-world predates the current financial mess so we cannot really complain that he is simply dishing up more of the same.
He doesn’t really care what temperature you set your thermostat to as long as the state does not have to pay for it.

““he’s making an analogy in which the state” has been living a middle-class lifestyle and spending its money carelessly. ”

And he is also entirely wrong. State spending really isn’t like a household budget, cutting expenditure in one area frequently leads to increased spending in others. This really isn’t like the state deciding to take sandwiches to work instead of eating pub lunches. When the state cuts in one area, it usually results in an increase in unemployment – which costs it benefits. Plus if the services that are cut are preventative (i.e. crime prevention, community development, or public health programmes – usually the first to go) then it also increases the long term costs in policing, healthcare, social problems etc.

And the turning down the heating remark is shockingly naive – the UK already has one of the highest excess winter death rates in europe (even compared with the scandanavian ones) as a result of fuel poverty. What Redwood suggests as a budgeting strategy for the middle classes is a suggestion that leads to people on low incomes dying to put it bluntly.

55. Luis Enrique

planeshift

oh, I agree this analogy he makes is garbage.

however, he is not suggesting the middle classes turn down the heating. read the original, not the excerpt.

And the turning down the heating remark is shockingly naive – the UK already has one of the highest excess winter death rates in europe (even compared with the scandanavian ones) as a result of fuel poverty.

Oh, ffs. Redwood isn’t (as has been pointed out repeatedly above) making suggestions for how people should react to the budget – he’s making an analogy about areas within budgets that could be trimmed. If you really don’t think that most reasonably well-off people’s thermostat levels aren’t higher now than 20 years ago then you’re not very observant.

Since my childhood bedroom was in the attic (and therefore without central heating altogether), I spend my life these days opening windows and turning down radiators whenever I’m in a hotel or a friend’s house.

This whole post is a stupid hysterical misreading of an article that is not even tangentially related to the point Sunny wants it to be making.

57. the a&e charge nurse

[56] but there is just something intensely irritating about a rich ex-banker advocating measures that will not have no direct effect on him.

As Planeshift states [54] cutting back on the number of police, social workers or nurses is hardly the same as a cheaper food option at Aldis;
http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/product_range/4862.htm

58. Luis Enrique

to derail this thread further … here’s an interesting graph of average interior temperatures in UK homes:

http://carboncensusanswers.blogspot.com/2010/06/its-official-weve-gone-soft.html

59. the a&e charge nurse

[59] I had to turn my heating down when it topped 70f outside !!

Yep, Sunny has badly misread Redwood’s article. It’s an analogy for the public finances, and it is trivially obviously an analogy. It may not be a good analogy, as others have pointed out, but it is crystal clear that John Redwood is not telling the poor, or anyone, in fact, to turn down the thermostat.

Sunny, might I politely suggest you edit your post again to say sorry?

Presumably if the state is not comparable to a middle class household, it must be comparable to an aristocratic estate then? After all, it employs various people in various roles, has large amounts of property and a vastly fluctuating income.

Who knew. Our head of state might as well be an aristocrat then…

I think that when even your most loyal readers are gently informing you that you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, it’s time to man up and admit it, Sunny.

Are you trying to prove you are a complete idiot, Mr Hundal, or a complete anti-Tory bigot?

Mr Redwood specifically was not giving advice, but discussing how people react to budget constraints. Also originally you entitled this article claiming it was advice to the poor (and are now dishonestly characterising your heading change) when Redwood specifically stated that this was about people with a good budget for living. So the whole premise of the original article is complete crap, Mr Hundal. It is your own misreading, either ignorant or dishonest, that is the basis for your attack on Mr Redwood.

64. Just Visiting

hmmm, Sunny’s response to this, or lack of it….. will tell us alot about whether he lives in a bubble in his own head; or can face the truth of the real world.

What’s that song about Sorry being the hardest word…

I appreciate others have a different view to mine. Maybe I’m just pre-disposed to viewing whatever John Redwood says negatively. As Johnb points out – there are different ways to read the article and I took it negatively.

The whole point of the comments is that you folks are welcome to disagree. The headline and the actual post are factually correct. I’m not telling anyone how to think. I’ll also appreciate it if people didn’t interpret things for me and tell me how to think.

Lastly, I think Kim makes the best point on this entire thread at #50.

2) How, if one follows this analogy, this denies (or doesn’t depending on ones view) the fact that it is those who are genuinely poor and in need who actually benefit from the statement and furthermore how taking Redwood’s attitude may harm them;

66. Rhys Williams

Also one has to ask what was the purpose of Redwood’s remarks. To unite, to give reasonable reasons for the cuts or to cause a furore.
Could you imagine Clegg or Cable making the same comments.
Reminds me of the rhetoric of the early 80’s.
A wonderful way to give right wing posters and readers wet dreams.

67. Matt Munro

Sunny – I’m surprised you are so against: putting on a jumper, avoiding foreign holidays, foresaking the car, eating a vegetarian diet are all standard save the planet mantras for global warmists.

For you, the truth of a statement obvioulsy depends on who is saying it, rather than what isbeing said


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