I suppose it’s easier than accepting the truth that Dave stitched ‘em up of his own volition.

The question surely is:

‘will the left wing sense of betrayal at Sunny’s Lib Dem endorsement lead to him being ostracised by Labour’.

‘will the left wing sense of betrayal at Sunny’s Lib Dem endorsement lead to him being ostracised by Labour’.

I know this is difficult for some Labour tribalists to understand but let me try again. My primary loyalty is to the Left movement and those ideals.

I didn’t betray the Labour party – they betrayed me.

These people are impatient. They should wait to see if the Lib Dems go the same way as the Liberal Unionists and National Liberals.

ROFL!

Hundal: “I didn’t betray the Labour party – they betrayed me. Now I must show them the way to reform because I *AM* the new Left movement”

If your primary loyalty is to the Left movement (whatever that is) then why did you endorse a party who were obviously going to partner with the Tories on the strength of every poll published before the election?

You have NO authority as some sort of Left-wing intellectual leader.

None.

None of this is a surprise…

Sunny, it’s not all about you, y’know.

@1: I suppose it’s easier than accepting the truth that Dave stitched ‘em up of his own volition.

My thoughts exactly — Cameron was looking for an excuse to ditch some of the Tory policies he didn’t agree with.

@4: These people are impatient. They should wait to see if the Lib Dems go the same way as the Liberal Unionists and National Liberals.

Time will tell. If after 5 years the coalition is deemed a success, and if the voting system is changed to AV (both big ifs), I can see the Lib Dems doing pretty well in 2015.

“Sunny, it’s not all about you, y’know.”

^ That.

The promised diagnoses by the Miliband brothers of why New Labour lost the election may facilitate rational discussion among avowed leftists but I’m only hopeful.

The claims that Cameron has seized on the opportunity presented to ditch the Conservative “right-wing” were foreseeable and will probably boost his popularity rating. But the “right-wing” characterisation is really a misnomer; the “pottie-wing” is more apt a description.

“The Government will ‘end the war on motorists’, new transport secretary Philip Hammond has vowed as he confirmed there will be no user charges for existing roads. . . A Tory manifesto pledge to stop funding fixed-position speed cameras will be honoured, although councils will be free to introduce them if they desire. Mr Hammond said: ‘We will end the war on motorists. Motoring has got to get greener but the car is not going to go away.’”
http://www.rac.co.uk/news-advice/motoring-news/post/2010/5/war-on-motorists-to-end-hammond/

Amazing. The uninformed will doutbless overlook that the underpinning justification for road user charges was developed by the late Prof Alan Walters, who went on to become Mrs Thatcher’s personal economic adviser. What is the point of speed limits on roads if there are few effective and relatively low-cost means for enforcing the limits?

We must be grateful for small mercies that Philip Hammond has been switched from the Treasury to the department of transport.

then why did you endorse a party who were obviously going to partner with the Tories on the strength of every poll published before the election?

I didn’t endorse anyone. I said I was going to vote gor a party that chimed with my beliefs and didn’t pretend to be left-wing while shitting on the marginalised, start illegal wars and ignore people’s civil liberties. Shame that people don’t like reading and hearing what is so obviously true.

Sunny, it’s not all about you, y’know.

I’m not the anonymous troll getting heated up about someone else’s vote.

I’d say it was a good thing Cameron is trying to “bury” his party’s Right. It brings the Tories closer to the centre at the expense of loons.

Face it. The New Labour government lost out, not because it was dangerously radical but because it was dangerously incompetent in too many areas of policy.

The tragedy now is the challenge of re-establishing a credible banner for espousing radical ideas in politics. A good starting point is to acknowledge the many failings of New Labour, especially in managing the economy to achieve intended aims and objectives as this was once the leading claim made on behalf of New Labour.

I just can’t see how anyone can say that the man who put William Hague in his cabinet has “buried” the right wing of his party. Yes it’s probably going to smart that some of the nastier policies are going to be off the table for this Parliament at least, but they’ve at most been put on the back burner.

Seeing Hague dash off to fellate the US government at the first opportunity was quite depressing.

@5

“then why did you endorse a party who were obviously going to partner with the Tories on the strength of every poll published before the election?”

I’m not sure you should be taken seriously…but none the less, I’m afraid they weren’t “obviously going to partner with the Tories“. Which makes it the more frustrating, actually. Clegg was very cunning at the way he sold the whole thing. Maybe he’s in the wrong line of business…?

Lucky you if you had a crystal ball and were able to see it all along.

I voted LibDem too. I now dearly wish I hadn’t. But we should move on now, don’t you agree?

“‘We were negotiating against people like George Osborne and Oliver Letwin who have never had to negotiate a thing in their lives.”

Letwin….that does amuse. As well as his Ph D he’s spent a number of years at Rothschild’s. You know, the City thing? Where their reason for existence is negotiating deals?

You and I may not like him (I certainly don’t) but anyone who thinks he’s “never had to negotiate a thing” in his life is seriously deluding themselves.

Lord Greaves (a former bookseller and county councillor) might find out that he’s just had his arse handed to him on a platter if he thinks that Letwin didn’t get what he wanted out of that “negotiation”.

bluepillination @ 14

Seeing Hague dash off to fellate the US government at the first opportunity was quite depressing.

I hadn’t realized that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton had now joined George W. Bush in the British Left’s demonology. When did this happen?

All of you who are crticising Sunny for betraying the labour party – get over it.

The elections are over and if you have something to say aside from snide stupid remarks why don’t you go and launch your own bloody blog and make it as well known as Liberal Conspiracy or Pickled Politics.

If you don’t have the capability and have nothing useful to contribute then why don’t you just fade away – you know about the Dogs and Caravan saying right?

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On the post, don’t think this is going to have any effect in Cameron passing legislation. He is playing the Blair game albeit a bit more risky as his majority is much lower – however, the more he pisses off the loony right wing of his party the stronger his claim to owning the centre ground becomes.

And, right now the majority of the people in the UK back him – Tories are good at knifing leaders in the back but they don’t knife leaders who are popular with the electorate. And right now, Cameron, thanks to Nick Clegg and Lib Dems, are looking white than white. Early days, but I think people have always underestimated him as a politician.

Also, Tory MPs must not forget, Cameron was elected by the grass roots of the Tory party and not only the MPs – if they want to get rid of him, like Major, he just might win a landslide in a leadership election. And, pissing of a PM with huge patronage power is not good for any MPs especially new ones.

It was men against boys. They were totally out of their depth. Our people were hard-nosed negotiators.

Which presumably explains why the Lib Dems have acquired just two frontline cabinet positions (plus a portfolio-less DPM) both of which are those most closely aligned with financial austerity and cuts?

I’m a fan of the coalition Govt for various reasons – including the fact that the headbanging wing of the Tories will not be able to hold the leadership to ransom. But it is pretty obvious that the most likely electoral losers from will be the Lib Dems – just like the last times that the Liberals went into coalition with the Tories. National Liberals, Liberal Unionists – where did they go?

The Party Right never liked Cameron, he’s too pragmatic for them without being a cynical Thatcherite. There’s a lot of interesting stuff being written about him. I thought this blog post about his generational identity was particularly compelling: http://espressoandtypewriters.com/2010/05/13/keep-up-the-jonesers-are-here/ the fact that he’s from “Generation Jones” (people who were small children in the 1960s and early 70s) is getting a lot of attention. Here’s a good overview: http://www.generationjones.org.uk/

The tory brownshirts really don’t tolerate any obstruction in their belief that they, and only they must govern.

Their attacks on Clegg during the election, and then when he dared to talk to Labour about a coalition was like something out of Pravda.

Littlejohn, Philips, torygraph, etc etc. Goebbels would have been so proud of them.

These guys are Labour’s best hope. The spirit of Littlejohn, Heffer and Phillips dictated the 2001 and 2005 Tory manifestos and they got stuffed. Cameron has ignored them and is now in Number 10. We need the right to keep bashing away at the “this is a conservative country” meme as they await their prince across the water (across the Thames, that is, in city hall).

Look, can we just apply the Golden Rule of Life here. The Daily Mail does not like what Mr Cameron is doing. Therefore Mr Cameron is correct…

Editors note.
1. The Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper which thrives on scaring its mainly elderly middle-class readership with stories about change and pretends to champion ‘values’ whilst happily undermining them whenever a juicy story about Katie Price comes along. It is neither affiliated with the Conservative party, although it does sometimes offer editorial support, nor with any faction or organisation within that party.

2. Norman Tebbitt is a relic from a bygone era when his views and policies were radical and perhaps necessary; it appears he may not be aware of this. It is noticeable that no MPs ever describe themselves as Tebbit-ite or cite him as a major intellectual influence.

Badstephen,

“We need the right to keep bashing away at the “this is a conservative country” meme as they await their prince across the water (across the Thames, that is, in city hall).”

If you think Boris Johnson is an out-and-out oldfashioned rightwinger, you may have a different man in mind than the misleadingly entertaining Mayor of London. After all, this is the man so in hock to the right-wing that he advocated a greater amnesty for illegal immigrants than the Liberal Democrats (as it happens, I think that is a good right-wing policy, but not the sort the Mail-Tebbit reactionaries would approve).