“We need to be put back in our place.”

Perhaps he could use that line tonight?!

And how original to attack the Mail for what it did 75 years ago…

It’s true that organisation whose leader openly described Hitler as “the greatest living German” and the “George Washington of Germany” is the last possible source that should be listened to on these matters.

Except of course that it was Lloyd George who said those things as late as 1936 – two years after the Olympia Rally had ended even tacit newspaper support for the BUF.

At some point, demanding that modern organisations should be judged on decisions and judgements made 70 years ago gets a bit bloody silly. There are plenty of good reasons to dislike the Daily Mail. There are plenty of good reasons to dislike the Liberal Democrats. Their respective stances on German fascism in the 1930s is not one of them.

@1 cjcjc

Exactly… they’ve been such a beacon of truth ever since…. errrmmm….

The Daily Mail is still a racist, homophobic, misogynistic piece of shit “paper”. I don’t care if anyone wants to attack it for it’s positions in the ’30s or ’50s or ’70s or now. It deserves every criticism that is levelled at it for it’s disgusting editorial lines on just about everything.
The current pathetic smears against Clegg just show how desperate it is.

Oops, html failure re:homophobia. Unless you’ve been living under a rock the past 12 months you’ll have seen this but it’s worth a reminder of what a vile excuse for a newspaper the Daily Mail is: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death–.html

oh and @2:

Who said, arguing in favour of eugenics,:

‘ The unnatural and increasingly rapid rise of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady reduction of the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate. I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed.’

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Winston Churchill, 1910. I think you’d be hard-pressed to find any member of the ruling classes, pre-’40s, who was anti-fascist.

Ok so can’t embed vid
heres the link to THE DAILY MAIL SONG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI&feature=player_embedded

It’s true that organisation whose leader openly described Hitler as “the greatest living German” and the “George Washington of Germany” is the last possible source that should be listened to on these matters.

Except of course that it was Lloyd George who said those things as late as 1936 – two years after the Olympia Rally had ended even tacit newspaper support for the BUF.

At some point, demanding that modern organisations should be judged on decisions and judgements made 70 years ago gets a bit bloody silly. There are plenty of good reasons to dislike the Daily Mail. There are plenty of good reasons to dislike the Liberal Democrats. Their respective stances on German fascism in the 1930s is not one of them.

I could dig out ‘Human Smoke’ and recite Churchill’s admiration for Hitler, Eugenics and anti Semitism when it was convenient but most here will already be aware of the admiration a lot of the British (and US) establishment had for those notions, as #6 points out.

The point with the Mail is, if, lets say a group of Semites, lets call them nuslins, suddenly found themselves under a concerted attack from myriad sections of society, the Mail would repeat the same process they did with the Jews pre and during WW2 – leading the campaign of hatred and lies because that happens to be what Northcliffe explicitly set the paper up to do.

The Rothermere family don’t consider their actions in that period to be in any way regrettable, simply par for the course.

Mr S. Pill @6:

Which paper published the following, in favour of sterilising ‘unsuitable’ mothers:

Shocking though it may seem, I believe that as a society we have a perfect right and, indeed, a duty to decide that irresponsible parents such as Theresa Winters should be refused the so-called right to produce children for which she expects us to pay from cradle to grave.

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The Daily Mail. Last year.

The reason the Mail gets lambasted for its position in the 30s is that it hasn’t moved on a whole heck of a lot since those days, beyond weak attacks on the BNP.

“And how original to attack the Mail for what it did 75 years ago…”
Don’t you use a historical perspective to attack the left.The extreme conservative US Goldberg “Liberal fascism” (nIck cohen’s favourite book) does nothing but use historical perspectives to base his dodgy ideology

The historian Tom Nairn said ‘ Scotland will never be free until the last kirk minister is strangled with the last copy of the Sunday Post ‘. ( a twee conservative newspaper that lives permanently in 1958). The Daily Mail has a similar poisonous grip over a section of the population. They will never be mentally free until the last Mail journalist is strangled with the last copy of the rag.

.. I think it would reflect Diderot better if it read:

“Britons will never be free until the last News International board member is strangled with the entrails of the last Daily Mail journalist”

(*Not that I’m advocating violence you understand)

@10cc

Oh my Jesus fucking Christ. Not seen that before; how the hell anyone can say the Daily Mail isn’t a disgusting pseudofascist hatesheet I fail to see.

You must read today’s leader article in the Fail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1267914/General-Election-2010-Damning-insight-Liberal-leader.html

Particularly this bit…

It’s perhaps unfair to point out that Mr Clegg’s father is half-Russian, his mother is Dutch, and he’s married to a Spaniard.

…5 paragraphs in.

What on earth is it doing there? Not so much dog whistle as a huge fecking ocean liner fog horn!

***Whisper to Daily Mail Readers: “this queer fella ain’t properly British!”***

Astounding. Disreputable. Immoral.

Did not the Daily Mail in (circa) 1924 publish Ramsey MacDonald’s birth certificate to demonstrate his illegitimacy? To be slurred by the Daily Mail is high praise indeed.

What would we do without having the Daily fail to beat on?

Live in a better Britain.

Mr. S Pill @14:

Ain’t it a beaut?

BenM @15:

“It’s perhaps unfair to point out that Mr Clegg’s father is half-Russian, his mother is Dutch, and he’s married to a Spaniard.”

So unfair that this is the fourth Daily Mail article to mention it in a week.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1267921/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-Nick-Clegg-Nazi-slur-Britain.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1266826/The-United-Nations-Nick-Clegg.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1266677/ELECTION-2010-Clegg-plays-Northerner-really-posh-Dave.html

Next thing you know they’ll be asking for his birth certificate…

Lady Violet Bonham Carter passionately opposed appeasement. She was a Liberal (Asquith’s daughter).
Considering Lloyd George was an opportunist who destroyed the Liberal party with his backstabbing of Asquith, he is despised by many Liberals to this day.

The Daily Mail is another matter. Its bigotry and small-mindedness represent the very worst of Middle England, and have been depressingly consistent. It should also be noted that the Mail is obsessed with house prices, because many of its readers are the kind of twits whom fueled the ridiculous house prices with their greed.

Ironic indeed that right-wing nutter Melanie Philips, who screams about anti-semitism whenever someone dares to be critical of Israel, works for the very same newspaper that spewed anti-semitism like a filthy fountain for decades.

Comedy gold by Marie@19. Heh,

A Mr D. Lloyd George, once leader of a certain political party, also had nice things to say about Adolf and co in the 30s.

I will more easily tolerate the endless repetition of Lord Rothemere’s Daily Mail having a honeymoon with Hitler in the 30s (and they were joined in that by a lot of other opinionaters), when we hear it repeated as many times that the (Manchester) Guardian was cheerleading for the USSR while Stalin was busy causing famines in which millions died and gunning down hundreds of thousands of Russians (or sending them to the Gulag for slave labour). Many Fabian types on the left, like Shaw, openly advocated eugenics before WW2 and spoke favorably of the idea of the state killing useless breeders and “parasite” enemies of the people.

Before the war the Nazis had not yet shown themselves to be as murderous as the Bolsheviks and many did regarded them-wrongly-as the only way of preventing the communisation of the rest of europe.

Those who spout bilious poison, condemning in the most disgusting terms anyone and everyone who dares to read a certain newspaper, maybe need to reflect a bit about themselves and how universally condemning and stereotyping people in this way (in fact behaving in exactly the same way they wrongly claim the papers do) shows up their own bigotry.

To be opposed to unlimited immigration into the most overcrowded country in europe is not racist.
To wish to govern your own country through a representative parliamentary democracy and not be ruled by a deeply undemocratic pan national oligarchy, is not xenophobia.

To subject the Liberal Democrat leader to the sort of scrutiny Brown and Cameron get all the time in the press, especially now St Nick is in a seemingly important electoral position, is perfectly reasonable ( btw columnists Peter Hitchens and Suzanne Moore regularly pillory Cameron from the “right” and “left” in the Mail on Sunday. Hitchens seems to tell his readers not to even think of voting for the dreadful Cameron week in week out).

The hysteria in some LD reaction when the press finally open fire on Clegg, rather illustrates the easy ride the party usually get from the print media. You’re not used to it, the other 2 major parties accept it is par for the course.

Before the war the Nazis had not yet shown themselves to be as murderous as the Bolsheviks and many did regarded them-wrongly-as the only way of preventing the communisation of the rest of europe,
They were still very anti semitic and the Mails headline ” Hoorah for the Blackshirts” was used by facsists in this country as a rallying cry to attack jews and leftists. So don’t be too much of an apologist for the pre war .
Also most of the press don’t bring a person’s parentage into the argument.
I have no problems with having concerns with immigration but to constantly potray immigrants, especially, as some form of vermin is not acceptable