Published: March 19th 2010 - at 10:31 am

Tory grassroots split over North Korea


by Don Paskini    

Our friends at Conservative Home carried reports that the former North Korean Finance Minister was executed because of his failed economic policies and because he was “a son of a bourgeois conspiring to infiltrate the ranks of revolutionaries to destroy the national economy”.

Inevitably, this news has left the nice people in the Tory grassroots who leave comments on their website confused about how to react.

At the time of writing, the majority have gone with “excellent idea, why can’t we follow North Korea’s lead and execute our political opponents”:

“I believe that a state is completely justified in using laws on treason to execute those who betray the nation while holding a position of power. That goes for us here in Britain too. It has always struck me as curious that we are prepared to kill foreigners at a time of war yet are not prepared to execute those that threaten national security from within. The execution in North Korea was justified.”

Brown and Darling have betrayed this once great country and I for one would cheer as loud as the church bells if they were executed for treason

However, a significant minority preferred “this proves that the Iraq war was right and we should invade North Korea”:

“Don’t worry, North Korea will fall apart eventually.

Just drop a few suicide paratroopers in with assault rifes and shoot up Poynyang or whatever it’s called. Utter chaos will ensue. Of course they’d need to be suicidal paratroopers ready to blow themselves up before being taken prisoner.

Sorry, I like fantasising about smashing North Korea to bits.”

“Or better still ask the Chinese to invade and tell them that they can keep the territory as part of China a la Tibet and Hong Kong.

Chinese style capitalism might well get North Korea’s economy going. China could crush that regime within hours thus wiping out a vile junta and improving regional stability.

It might not be a desirable democratic option but it would get rid a major nuisance and improve relations with China. They would get the kudos of having ended an evil regime and would get more territory. Also their army could test out all of its weapons as well.

But my favorite option has to be the US destroyers launching missiles and unleashing waves of airborne attacks. After that Western Troops would secure the place and make it safe for democracy.”

Truly it is the eternal dilemma for right-wing Tories – whether to admire authoritarian dictatorships, or invade them.


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Don Paskini is deputy-editor of LC. He also blogs at donpaskini. He is on twitter as @donpaskini
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You missed off the last paragraph of your second quote:

“Having a liberal,democratic and capitalist nation in place of a vile tyranny has to be an improvement if only for the poor people who live there.Their suffering must end as it is a scar on the conscience of the world”

Come on Don, surely you’re better than the Daily Mail?

Having a liberal, democratic and capitalist nation would indeed be an improvement, but you may remember that the plan of bombing a country into democracy doesn’t have an awfully good track record of success, even before you consider the sheer insanity of trying this strategy against a regime which actually has nuclear weapons.

“Truly it is the eternal dilemma for right-wing Tories …”

Whereas Labour act without a moment’s thought ?

4. Flowerpower

Jeeps… and I thought that old line about liberals not having much of a sense of humour was a touch overworked.

Sorry – are commentators on ConservativeHome the grass roots of the Conservatives? Or in some cases opiniated pub bores who support stupid ideas because they can’t think for themselves.

Every political movement has reactionaries (although reactionary anarchists would be fun to watch in action), and they are the sort of idiots who post the things about using treason laws against those who ‘betray’ their country (which obviously would never be them…). To call these the grass roots is just stupid – they’re the lead weight on any constituency party, the stone round those who do want to make a difference’s neck.

However, debating whether it is right to invade a totalitarian dictatorship to liberate the people is not in the same league of stupidity. Are you saying it is better to leave President Kim in situ if there is an opportunity to oust him? It’s not as if North Korea is likely to have the problem with religious fundamentalists that Iraq and Afghanistan have, so if you can deal with the nuclear weapons (fair point by Don, but that does not rule out the idea totally) and get Chinese support, is this really a bad move? It is certainly of a different level of thought from killing those who you don’t like.

Fortunately no doubt where Andrew Murray of the “Stop the War Coalition” stands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Murray_(campaigner_and_journalist)

Sorry – are commentators on ConservativeHome the grass roots of the Conservatives?

But don’t the editors of ConHome claim they are the grassroots?

Phil,

The editor of the Daily Mail claims what he produces is good journalism…

Of course he says that, but it is an unsubstantiated claim. From my reading I would reckon up to a quarter of commentators are UKIP supporters for example (and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a fair correlation between them and the ‘treason’ comments).


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