Matt – there is clear evidence that the system has become significantly more punitive – all the evidence is laid out in the full film. And in fact, since you agree that reoffending is an important factor, alternative interventions show reoffending rates that are almost half those of custodial (or more punitive) sentences even for very similar offences.

The film also covers the fact that the public are not that punitive once the options are explained properly to them, when this is added to an explanation of the financial implications of the Fear Factory, they generally agree we should find alternatives.

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What “punitive climate” ? pointless ASBOs, endless “warnings”, lenient sentences, early release schemes, the criminal justice system has never been less punitive. And when will the left learn that you cannot reduce recidivism, leftwing “interventions” have been tried and re-tried continually for the last 40 years and failed. The only reliable predictor of a reduction in criminal behaviour is the offender reaching the age of 35, after which criminal activity drops off markedly.

@7 Repeat offending is important because criminality is not evenly distributed, a small number of repeat offenders are responsible for the majority of crime.

The current penal system doesn’t tackle crime, it compounds it. Once you are in the system you can never get out.
I agree but the government has 3 problems.
1. Most of the public want more offenders locked up. If they did turn around their policy they would be sitting ducks for the press.
2. The Tories want even more people in jail, therefore how do they counter an argument put forward by their political opponents.
3. It only takes one re offending villain to be brought to the attention of the media and were back to broken Britain.
Do you think it will be any better with Tories.
The only political party who has the courage to look at crime problems with an open mind are the lib dems.
Another reason to hope for a hung parliament

Did the US states cut their crime rates? You don’t seem to care.

Given violent crime is apparently significantly down over the same period, couldn’t one say that the policy has worked?

I’m not sure what disgusts me more: tha massive increase in the prison population or New Labour’s obvious pride in it.

The current penal system doesn’t tackle crime, it compounds it. Once you are in the system you can never get out.

It was a shame that Dominic Grieve, who plays the Westminster Village Idiot in the film, got cold feet at the last minute and ducked the screening and subsequent Q&A session claiming that there was a 3 line whip. Maria Eagle, also in the film, who did attend and take part in the Q&A stated that there was no 3 line whip! I knew when I saw and heard what Dominc Grieve had to say, that Dave Cameron would not let him attend to be grilled. Given that some of the youngsters end up in prison for assault and criminal damage, I was surprised to hear Dominic Grieve admit that he had committed the criminal offences of assault and criminal damage. It was not clear whether the admissions refer to his Bullingdon Club days or another time in his life. But, it is clear that he is not Shadow Justice Secretary on merit! If the Tories win the general election, how can you have a Justice Secretary who has committed assault and criminal damage in charge of a prison system which houses people who have committed the same offences? We are not talking about a spot of under age drinking or smoking pot! Besides there is no statute of limitations in this country and it is open for the police to investigate his confession and perhaps prosecute him.

The Sun’s Executive Editor made a statement saying he is not sure whether the papers should lead or educate. I suggested that they should tell the truth, and the same goes for politicians. Joshua Rozenberg has said on the BBC that it is a breath of fresh air that Ben’s Prison Blog does not pull punches. It is a shame that too many prefer to keep smelling the stale air of sanitised truth.

Will look out for the film though.

IMO, one of the worst things that Howard did was abolish the British right to silence.

Most people go “so what?” But the right to silence is essential to prevent self-incrimination by innocent and guilty alike. Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc