Neo-nazis prevented from marching in Edinburgh


7:00 am - February 23rd 2010

by Don Paskini    


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Neo-nazi group the Scottish Defence League tried to stage a march in Edinburgh at the weekend, but were prevented from doing so by anti-fascist activists.

The Scotsman reports that:

Only about 40 supporters of the SDL turned up, and they found themselves corralled into a pub at the bottom of the Royal Mile for several hours. There were five arrests for public order offences but the Scotland United rally, attended by about 2,000 people, passed off peacefully in Princes Street Gardens, about half a mile away.

Though Cowards Flinch has an interesting eye-witness report about the day.

It highlights the disagreements over tactics between some activists, led by Unite against Fascism and the Socialist Workers Party under the banner of Scotland United, which favoured a parallel rally and actively opposed any idea of direct confrontation with the SDL, and others (led by a range of activists from the Scottish Socialist Party, anarchist groups, student groups and others (including, it must be said, individuals from UAF/SWP)), which favoured direct confrontation via a march on the SDL position wherever it may turn out to be.

2,000 people attended the anti-fascist rally, while 200 directly confronted the SDL and prevented them from marching. There were only five arrests for public order offences, and no one was injured during the protests.

I think it is worth reflecting on this for future anti-fascist activity, and would be interested in people’s thoughts. Should there be any kind of counter-mobilisation by anti-fascists when neo-nazi groups like the Scottish or English Defence Leagues announce a march?

If so, should this be a separate rally, or direct confrontation, or both?

And if (as I think this example shows) the most effective response is one which combines the two tactics, how can campaigners make sure that they work together effectively, rather than undermining or cutting across each other?

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The two different strategies are necessary not because both are equally effective, but because they express two attitudes to protest. There needs to be some way for those who aren’t up to physical confrontation to be involved in a confrontation – either in outwitting the police or in penning the fascists up.

Of the two strategies, penning the fascists up is of course more effective. It was spectacularly effective in Scotland – though I daresay that the 2000 other people probably helped colour the attitudes of the police that the march just wasn’t going to be practical, so it’s necessary too.

Yup, what Dave said. The anti-fascist movement will suffer if it becomes the sole preserve of strong, brave young people (mostly men) trying to out-brave,out-young, out man each other. Though I’m not denying they are important, perhaps the most important aspect of the op.

In all, more than 700 officers took to the capital’s streets, with Lothian and Borders drawing on forces from across the country, including Strathclyde, Fife, and Tayside. About 50 officers from Northumbria Police, meanwhile, were also deployed.

That does seem rather a lot. And I think the description of them as ”Neo-nazis” is somewhat overkill too. Personally I think they should be ignored. Or at least spoken to in a civil manner. I definitely think there is some class bias (and fear probably) of that section of the working class that the EDL come from.

But that’s just my opinion about tactics. I think steps should be taken to counter them, but I couldn’t take part in counter protests like this one UAF organised in Manchester.
I feel I just can’t relate to that level of studenty SWP type street politics.

”Nazi scum off our streets” etc. It’s embarrassing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqeDsskcSVQ

I would have thought that a website with any liberal aspirations ought to be more concerned about this.

http://www.edlmedia.com/1_1.html

That we live in a country where the police can ignore the law, ignore the human rights act and prevent its citizens from lawfully expressing their views is, in my view, appalling. Freedom of speech is about defending the right to expression for those with whom we disagree.

I’m surprised you can’t see that, Don.

Why is it wrong to march against something you believe in, yet right to march against someone marching for something you dont believe in?

“Of the two strategies, penning the fascists up is of course more effective. It was spectacularly effective in Scotland”

It worked in that case, but there are a number of risks:

– Paul’s made the point that this can’t be the sole anti-fascist activity because it excludes most people.
– It can attract people who are more interested in fighting than in anti-fascism.
– It alienates some of our natural supporters.
– There is also a massive risk that it could go wrong. What happens if a future confrontation goes wrong and lots of people are seriously injured or even killed? One of the consequences of Cable Street, after all, was the Public Order Act and severe restrictions on the right to free expression and protest.

I think direct confrontation has a role, but I’m less convinced that the planning to mitigate these risks has actually been going on.

As for pagar, what should the police have done? Forcibly broken up the counter-protest? Surely that would have been just as illiberal?

Totally agree with the implicit assumptions of both this article and the one that was recently up at TCF – that direct action against neo-Nazis is right when it’s the most effective thing to do, and that instead of castigating each others’ approach people who share anti-fascist aims should aim to complement each other without necessarily doing the same thing. No one organisation can or should own the anti-fascist movement.

8. Public School Lefty

penning the fascists up is of course more effective

Given that Scotland is a client state of Nulabour such strong arm tactics are particularly effective.

No one challenges the Left up there.

All the energy is unfortunately in the South.

Simple demographics and genetics.

And that’s where the fascists are.

Some very thoughtful responses here, and I generally agree that we need both kinds of tactics, depending on the circumstances. It’s not reasonable to expect the majority of antifascists to have the confidence to get involved in any direct action amounting to confrontation with the EDL thugs. The form of protest settled on should give them the confidence to turn out, knowing that they will be safe, and knowing that the leadership won’t knowingly draw police repression down on them. At the same time, if a minority of people are willing to actually physically blockade the EDL, they should welcome the fact that they have been able to act as part of a campaign broader than they themselves. If mobilisations were restricted to just that number of people who were ready to face down the EDL thugs, they would be tiny, and easily repressed by police. And that would have a knock-on effect on future protests. In the long run, I would hope that the majority of antifascists could be convinced of the necessity of directly blockading the EDL, by mobilising far larger numbers of people – but that takes time and patience, and it requires that eg the UAF leaders stick to the decisions of the majority in the meantime. The recent success of antifascists in Dresden involved directly confronting the fascists and driving them off the streets, but it took some years for the left to win the argument for directly obstructing the fascists.

One thing I can’t agree with is the idea that the EDL should just be “ignored”. It’s important to recognise that the EDL’s organisational and intellectual backbone is provided by fascists and neo-Nazis, even if the combat troops are drawn from right-wing football casuals. I would argue that the fascists aim to socialise the cadre in basic forms of far right street activism, and recruit from among those who are attracted to such thuggishness. So, they can’t be treated as an apolitical bunch of hooligans, just a public order issue for the police to cope with. They are a political problem. In addition, I think they intend to reproduce the kinds of racially polarised responses to their presence that racist gangs were able to produce in Bradford, Burnley etc. Now, the EDL won’t always be prevented from going on the rampage by police, even where the police easily outnumber them. The examples of Luton and Stoke come immediately to mind. So, they are going to provoke a response to their attempts to attack and intimidate Asian communities. The question is, do antifascists stand alongside them, or do they allow it to become a fight between young Asian men, the police and the EDL. Because experience shows that in such circumstances, the anti-racist, anti-fascist politics becomes subordinated to the inevitable provocations and riots. The police (esp in Bradford, Burnley, Leeds, etc) will usually target the Asian youths first and foremost in part because of their long history of friction with said young men, which means that the kids have to see off both police and the racist gangs, and that’s a fight they can’t win. Multiracial antifascist protests are the best counter to this.

As for the complaint that one can’t relate to a certain kind of “studenty” politics, involving the chanting of slogans that are “embarrassing”, I just invite people to get over it. I find the very idea that such a matter would deter anyone from getting involved in politics both petty and embarrassing. There is more at stake here than anyone’s personal discomfort. I don’t necessarily like being in a coalition with Margaret Hodge. But as experienced activists will tell you, if you’re comfortable with everyone that you’re in coalition with, then you’re not in a coalition.

It’s hardly surprising that someone who takes the nickname “lenin” with apparently no irony is happy to endorse the physical intimidation of those with whom he disagrees.

I might wish to “pen up” the commies, an equally unattractive bunch, though I don’t think that would be a good idea either.

And, Don, doesn’t it become a little difficult now for you to object to police “kettling”?

“And, Don, doesn’t it become a little difficult now for you to object to police “kettling”?”

No, not really. There’s a difference between the state taking action against peaceful protest, and campaigners organising against violent thugs.

There is no difference between violent thugs organising against violent thugs.

Was it clear that the EDL crowd were going to be violent?

Is that why they needed to be “penned up”?

Did you not trust the police to deal with any possible violence on their part?

Have the EDL been particularly violent so far? Or is it more their rough demeanor.
You know, like those scaffolders you see having breakfast at the cafe and reading the Daily Sport; (dreadful people).

People like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfWpr4Nfzjw

Is that some of it? That ‘we’ just find people like that threatening and wish we could make them go away.

Those Tottenham supporters in that video are not necessarily ”neo-nazis” – even if some of them were to go on an EDL demonstration.

And Lenin, I would try just ignoring them for a while and see if the thing might just peter out. Without opposition to create an atmosphere and a bit of a buzz, there is less likelihood that they would be bothered to travel to events where nothing much happened.
But I understand there is excitement in turning up on UAF and AFA counter demos too. So what I suggest is never going to happen.

The police arresting the EDL blokes on their way to Scotland reminds me of the police stopping Kent miners heading north during the miners strike.
Not something to be supported IMO.

Have the EDL been particularly violent so far?

Yes:

A recent English Defence League demonstration in Stoke turned into a “pogrom” against Muslims, according to anti-fascists, that was so violent it shocked even the Defence League leadership, who were quick to deny responsibility. […]

The mob turned over police riot vans, smashed the windows of Muslim homes and tried to attack a mosque. Organisers believe some 500 Scottish Defence League supporters will turn up in the capital next weekend.

Defence League leaders claim that hundreds of BNP supporters and other thugs turned up in Stoke simply looking for a fight.

Mickey, who leads Casuals United and is part of the EDL leadership, said: “Stoke was horrendous. It went mental. Hundreds of BNP members turned up. You can’t go around rioting like that, because eventually they’ll ban the movement. The people that came don’t care about the EDL, they just turn up for the riots.”

Yes, totally fair point Dunc. I do wonder though how it might have been if it had been policed differently and there had been no counter demonstration.

There several different ways to police football supporters (and political demonstrations).
The police in Britain, because of the threat of disorder are going for overkill tactics and kettling, just like they did at the G20.

The EDL is a problem. I’m just not convinced the ”weedy” UAF types really do anything positive. Unless it’s less about stopping the EDL (which they can’t do if it’s a big EDL demonstration full of tough northeners) – and more about giving ”anti-fascist on the job training”

It’s a way of building a left movement I suppose.
Giving people something constructive to do.

The police arresting the EDL blokes on their way to Scotland reminds me of the police stopping Kent miners heading north during the miners strike.

I can’t believe Don etc are so blinkered to the real issues here. The EDL is not a proscribed organisation so:

What were these people arrested for?

Why did armed police invade their homes?

Why were they prohibited from attending future meetings?

Why was their property seized?

What crime had they committed?

If the authorities are so readily prepared to flout the civil liberties of the citizen, who has any protection from their tyranny?

Well, pagar, in the world of “lenin” you would be arrested simply for asking those questions!

“The EDL is a problem. I’m just not convinced the ”weedy” UAF types really do anything positive. Unless it’s less about stopping the EDL (which they can’t do if it’s a big EDL demonstration full of tough northeners)”

Um, just about this stereotyping of “tough” fascists vs “weedy” anti-fascists, did you see what happened in Edinburgh? The fascists were in a pub which the anti-fascists surrounded, and the police had to prevent the anti-fascists from getting into the pub and ensured that the fascists escaped without doing their march.

Compare and contrast – fascists able to march in Stoke, result was lots of violence, and people terrorised by fascists running amok. In Edinburgh they were penned into a pub, not allowed to do their demo by overwhelming numbers of anti-fascists, result no one was hurt and there were a minimal number of arrests.

“result, no-one was hurt”

Thanks to the police, by the sound of it.

Just to be clear, those who mobilised on Saturday around the Edinburgh Anti Fascist Alliance had no intention of going boxing with the thugs in the SDL but rather, through force of numbers, deny them the ability to take to the streets.
You can see one small incident from Saturday here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLDcthgx0es
It is police escorting SDL members to Waverley Station harried all the way by anti-fascists.
I too am in favour of a dual approach to making clear our opposition to fascists, my 70 year old mother was at the Scotland United event and delighted to be able to demonstrate in a safe environment.

saturday was excellent, and I think the militant demo which directly confronted them is the reason the SDL were prevented from marching.
i think that there is plenty of scope for two events – a broad, establishment backed ‘Scotland United’ event, and a more militant one which will actually be effective in stopping the fascists.
however, saturday saw the organisers of Scotland United attempting to sabotage the other demonstration, which was under the banner of Edinburgh Anti-Fascist Alliance. UAF organisers came on megaphones as we were marching to the SDL’s location, told blatant mistruths, and attempted to redirect the march back to the park in which they were holding their rally. This was severely disappointing, and thankfully most of the marchers ignored them and kept going to the SDL pub.

Hang on a minute…

The police arresting the EDL blokes on their way to Scotland reminds me of the police stopping Kent miners heading north during the miners strike.

Have you got an independent, reliable source for that? Not that I’d suspect the EDL of talking a load of old cobblers, oh no… But are we really just taking their word for it? Surely there should be some corroboration somewhere?

But them Scottish anti-fascists probably had some of the Hibs boys with them donpaskini.

I thought this Hibernian fans forum was quite funny. And actually quite informative of the real dynamics behind this whole thing in Scotland. Just eejits acting daft.
http://www.hibeesbounce.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94213

It seems that the SDL/EDL have little support in Scotland.

And using words like ‘weedy’ and ‘tough’ is not really on I know. I just don’t like the UAF demonstrations I’ve seen.

And Dunc, I have no proof other than what I’ve seen online at places like Indymedia. But they’ve only taken it from the EDLs website.

But to be honest, some of this EDL – UAF – AFA (or whoever they are these days) carry on reminds me of football ”firms” all bragging about who’s going to go where and ”do” who, and take over who’s pubs etc.
I really can’t be getting that excited about it.

It seems that the SDL/EDL have little support in Scotland.

You should enter that in the Understatement of the Year competition. I suspect that the Scottish members of the “S”DL could assemble in a phone box. They only changed the name after the Glasgow debacle. Apparently it didn’t occur to them that “English Defence League” wouldn’t go down all that well up here, which shows you exactly how much local intelligence they have – in both senses of the word.

“I might wish to “pen up” the commies, an equally unattractive bunch, though I don’t think that would be a good idea either.”

I’m sorry, but you obviously didn’t read what I wrote, and you’re clearly not thinking. You may find “commies” unattractive, but that is entirely beside the point. The SWP does not rampage through working class areas looking for people with the wrong skin colour to beat up, and I’m not aware of any organisation on the far left with any record comparable to the EDL’s thuggery. One doesn’t seek to pen the EDL because one disagrees with them, but because they are a bunch of violent racist thugs who have a clear and consistent record of rioting through areas where they are not prevented from doing so. And the record of Luton and Stoke (and Leeds, Bradford, Oldham and Burnley previously) shows that you can’t always rely on the police to stop racist thugs attacking communities and stirring things up.

“But to be honest, some of this EDL – UAF – AFA (or whoever they are these days) carry on reminds me of football ”firms” all bragging about who’s going to go where and ”do” who, and take over who’s pubs etc.
I really can’t be getting that excited about it.”

Sorry, damon, but this is just nasty and squalid. Equating a bunch of violently sadistic right-wing nutters led by fascists and neo-Nazis with a broad coalition of antifascists that includes Labourites, liberals, socialists, trade unionists, etc., is utterly preposterous. The UAF has never behaved in a way remotely comparable to football hooligans bragging about ‘doing’ people and ‘taking over’ pubs. It’s actually quite scandalous that a perfectly mainstream campaign against fascism is being calumnied in this way. Your irrational aversion to anti-fascist protesters is no excuse.

If nobody stands in front of the EDL, NF, BNP, Combat 18 or whatever the nazis call themselves these days they will attack individuals or cultural centres or whatever they like. Opposition must be direct as well as mass opposition and local organisation.

They are a tenacious bunch of bigoted ( & generally) halfwits. They need bashing on the head, massed opposition and local political opposition to get the message through.

This through grim experience. I wish it were otherwise.

“It’s important to recognise that the EDL’s organisational and intellectual backbone is provided by fascists and neo-Nazis, even if the combat troops are drawn from right-wing football casuals.”

Lenin, with due respect, ‘what’ organisational and intellectual backbone? I have not seen signs of either! If, as you claim, this backbone exists, who are they? From what I have seen, they’re just a bunch of football types and squaddies – pretty much 100% working-class. If someone’s driving them, they’ve taken a wrong turn!

#29, well the state clearly found an organisational and intellectual backbone because they only went and bust the leadership, big style.

So we have a bit of disagreement on what to do about the EDL.
Is that fair enough that there is disagreement, or is it shameful of people like myself, cjcjc, and pager who are more skeptical?

Should we be castigated for this stance and be called trolls and told to get back to our favorite right wing blogs as we don’t belong on this one?
I’m serious about that question, and I think it’s important when there are other threads on here talking about building a ”new left movement”. How much dissent can be tolerated before you decide that these dissenters have no place in the movement and are to be treated as the opposition?

Lenin – I take your point about equating EDL and anti-fascists as being on the same moral footing. That was too crude of me. Of course the anti-fascist motives are much higher and correct than most of the EDL idiots enjoying an awayday.

I did make the point though that if they were ignored they would find the whole experience much less ”of a laugh” and that subsequently, fewer of them would be likely to show up on future marches. You know how it works with football hooligans ….. it’s the matches against rivals who also have a ”firm” to go up against that gets them all excited, and even gets the old semi-retired ones who should know better to turn up for the scrap.

I’m surprised there hasn’t been much comment though on the police tactics in dealing with the EDL. They have been somewhat heavy handed haven’t they?
Photographing everyone who turns up on a demonstration is something I know that is resented by a lot of people. Now this latest turn (if it’s true) of arresting people on the way to Scotland. Or do anti-fascists really want the police to operate like this – and that these counter demonstrations are really to force the police to act with draconian powers towards (sometimes handfuls) of EDL people?

That we want the police to kettle, and meet the EDL in full riot gear and police dogs. Is that what we really want? Because when they have a big turnout at Stoke or Manchester, without the police, they’d obviously walk through the opposition.

Should we defend the rights of people to travel and have whatever protests they want, or not?
This (in the link that follows) is certainly not a Guantanamo type situation, but you’d think that people on the left might be concerned about it too – but, ban the EDL, and ban football supporters from going abroad because you suspect they might cause trouble, then maybe you’re next.
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/8002/

Question: If someone goes on an EDL march, does that mean they have become a Nazi?

Gadgy, I know there’s a ‘leadership’ who are arranging the actual demonstrations. They’ve hardly kept themselves secret and I would class them as “combat troops”, to borrow Lenin’s words. It certainly wouldn’t have been difficult for the state to “bust” them! But from the way Lenin said that “the EDL’s organisational and intellectual backbone is provided by fascists and neo-Nazis”, I was presuming he meant some sort of ‘behind the scenes’ group that he had knowledege of. I haven’t seen any evidence of this anywhere, so I’d just like to know if it’s conjecture or not.

33. Stephen Gash

@ Dunc

Firstly you say “yes” categorically to a question “has the EDL ever been violent?” then quote an EDL leader saying it was BNP people turning up just for a bit of trouble.

Which is it?

All the so-called anti-fascists here need to ask themselves why they don’t demonstrate outside mosques where mysogeny, homophobia and violence have been preached for the past twenty five years?

Isn’t that fascist enough for you?

I oppose the BNP, but you lot still call me a fascist because I detest Islam. I detest islam because it is flagrantly oppressive, totalitarian and teaches hatred for non-Muslims.

The EDL does not go anywhere near as far as I do. It believes in moderate Muslims and demonstrates against Islamic “extremism”. Yet you lot still call them fascists.

When was the last time any of you so-called anti-fascists demonstrated outside the Egyptian embassy against the genocide against the Copts, or outside the Pakistan embassy for the murderous behaviour of Muslims against Hindus, Sikhs and Christians, carried out with impunity, indeed with the connivance of the Pakistani authorities?

Three and a half million Sudanese Christians have been murdered by Muslims sice 1955 with barely a whimper from Western Governments and media. Where is the UAF? Slavery is still going on in Muslim countries, so where are the trade unions.

The arrests in England of EDL leaders while their colleagues were being kettled in Edinburgh has more to do with the ingrained anti-English attitude of Scots in the both the Scottish Parliament and British Parliament (there is no English Parliament) than anything to do with anti-fascism. Were any Scottish Defence League leaders arrested?

The Daily Record printed “English Nazis to terrorise Scottish streets” before the SDL/EDL Glasgow demonstration, so Anglophobia trumped all in the Scottish media.

Firstly you say “yes” categorically to a question “has the EDL ever been violent?” then quote an EDL leader saying it was BNP people turning up just for a bit of trouble.

Which is it?

In the immortal words of Mandy Rice-Davies, “He would say that, wouldn’t he?” Besides, if you leave the top off the jam at a picnic, don’t be surprised when the wasps show up.

The arrests in England of EDL leaders while their colleagues were being kettled in Edinburgh has more to do with the ingrained anti-English attitude of Scots in the both the Scottish Parliament and British Parliament (there is no English Parliament) than anything to do with anti-fascism.

And you wonder why you’ve got no support up here…

Hi damon,

“Is that fair enough that there is disagreement, or is it shameful of people like myself, cjcjc, and pager who are more skeptical?”

It’s completely fair enough – I put this post up precisely so that these issues could be discussed.

“Should we be castigated for this stance and be called trolls and told to get back to our favorite right wing blogs as we don’t belong on this one?”

I don’t think anyone has done that on this thread?

“I’m serious about that question, and I think it’s important when there are other threads on here talking about building a ”new left movement”. How much dissent can be tolerated before you decide that these dissenters have no place in the movement and are to be treated as the opposition?””

The only people who get banned are those who troll by leaving stupid and/or abusive comments. Anyone who turns up to have a reasoned and constructive argument is welcome. But people have to be prepared to defend their ideas and to receive quite tough critique at times. e.g. on this thread ‘lenin’ got accused of being no better than a fascist, and responded very effectively.

If there are times when you feel you are dissenting on a point and just getting abuse, then let us know – Sunny and the other editors don’t have time or inclination to read every comment, but there isn’t a “party line” here. Any amount of reasoned dissent to what the contributors or commenters write is welcomed, but if you argue something, then you have to be prepared to back it up.

If there are times when you feel you are dissenting on a point and just getting abuse, then let us know

Thanks for clearing this up Don.

As a brown shirted troll can I please retrospectively complain about all of Sally’s posts.

Thanks. 🙂

37. Stephen Gash

@ Dunc

Anything English has little or no support in Scotland because Scots are congenital English-haters, as can be seen in post-devolution politics. I never doubted in the slightest that the English would be treated like dirt in Scotland so never went on the protests.

You Scots beggar belief. The SNP was born out of Anglophobic reactionism and yet when we English ourselves react to the anti-English government (whose Scottish Prime Minister signed the Scottish Claim of Right promising to make the interests of the Scottish people paramount) you stick your noses in the air and say “you see why the English have no support from Scots”.

You’ll be telling us next everything was hunky dory before Thatcher. Likewise the world was peaceful before the Crusades.

Scottish attitude is “we can do and say what we please”, but when the English react Scots follow up with “look I told you so”.

I’m not actually an EDL member and didn’t go to either SDL organised protests in Scotland supported by the EDL. However, English people did go to support the SDL because they consider themselves to be British and went to Scotland to support “fellow Brits”. I’m not so deluded as to think Scots put Britishness before Scottishness. The Daily Record’s headline and report about the Glasgow protest showed that the flagrant Anglophobia of the Scots far outweighed any other sentiment.

My views on Scots and other “fellow Brits” are my own and born out of of the anti-English apartheid of post-devolution Britain and that the largest number of racist attacks in Scotland are against English people.

the largest number of racist attacks in Scotland are against English people.

Not according to any official statistics I can find. The latest data is in Racist Incidents Recorded by the Police in Scotland, 2004/05 to 2007/08, and the table you’re looking for is Table 8 Ethnic origin of victims of racist incidents, 2004/05 to 2007/08. Whilst there isn’t specifically an “English” category, “White British” accounts for 1,030 out of a total of 5,789 in 2007/08, or slightly under 20%. The largest single category is “Pakistani”, accounting for 1,654 (just under 30%) in 2007/08. Figures for earlier years show a similar distribution. Also, when interpreting these figures, one should bear in mind that there are far more English people in Scotland than there are Pakistanis.

I’m not denying the existence of anti-English sentiment – it does exist, and it’s very regrettable. However, I believe it’s a good deal less prevalent and less virulent than you seem to think (and I [i]do[/i] live here, and I am frequently mistaken for English myself, as I don’t have a readily-identifiable accent). If you’re trying to attract support from Scots, you might want to try and disguise your obvious hatred and contempt for us a little better. “You’re all a bunch of bastards” is rarely a successful approach for building rapport with people…

39. For Whom The Bell Trolls

EDL is clearly a false flag outfit.

Stitched together hastily from virtually nowhere and getting relatively easy treatment from the media – a sort of ‘well what can one expect – boys will be boys’ shrug of journalistic shoulders.

Contrast the continued vitriol poured on to the BNP which has had years of existence (albeit unsavoury) behind it but whose aims are indistinguishable in many ways from the EDL.

Can’t any one else smell a rat ?


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