I’ve already suggested that there’s a really worthwhile job going for Tony Blair over in America mentoring Sarah Palin in the run up to the next Presidential election there in 2012.

His views on foreign policy would surely be very acceptable to the Republican Party – what with him being awarded the US medal of Freedom an’ all – and that unspeakable Obama as a US Senator voted to oppose the Iraq war all along. If Blair puts in enough time in residence, he’ll be able to qualify for US citizenship. After all, Khrushchev’s son is now a US citizen. They’ll be able to talk about whether the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956 accords with the Blair doctrine of liberal interventionism.

That’s the same Research 2000 that seems to get modern polling wrong consistently is it?

Just some perspective

“39% of Republicans want President Obama to be impeached.”

In a 2006 Zogby Poll, 66% of Democrats wanted Bush impeached.

http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2

“21% think ACORN stole the 2008 election”

Because Democrats never believed the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen.

63% think Obama is a socialist.

And how many on the left called Bush a fascist?

Not too mention that 42% of Democrats believed that Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.

The point is, both sides have their fair share of loons. To try and make it look as though it is only the right is intellectually dishonest.

• 53% think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be president.

The end of the world is nigh, either that or falling rates of people within Republican circles have lost the ability to read and understand the word ‘qualified’.

39% impeached? For what? Skin colour, health-care for everyone, oh the nasty man should be in prison for crimes designed to help the American people.

• 23% want to secede from the United States – They could rename themselves, any offers on names? The United States of KKK, or US and Them. I want this written down as a promise. Maybe they could relocate in Heaven or Utah?

The Tory rebuttal unit’s contribution, unfortunately, falls down on the 2004 Presidential Election: there was no argument over the result. Bush beat John Kerry. The 2000 poll, of course, remains controversial.

Moreover, the point on who may or may not have “stolen” the 2008 poll is that the target of Republicans is not the Democratic Party, but ACORN. This latter body has been accused of being part of the Democrat machine, although it is not, having in the past lobbied the conventions of both major parties.

The accusation against ACORN was given its “smoking gun” with James O’Keefe’s heavily edited “sting” videos last Autumn. This has merely reinforced opinion among Republicans, although the originals are AFAIK yet to see the light of day.

It would be interesting to know if the poll quoted was taken before or after O’Keefe and his accomplices were arrested on suspicion of committing a felony concerning the telephone system at the Federal Building offices of Democrat Senator Mary Landrieu last week:

http://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2010/01/republican-wrong-youre-nicked.html

Meanwhile, Conservative supporters might like to consider whether they approve of Glenn Beck telling his audience that the Dems are taking them to be slaughtered.

Tim

Better luck next time on the 2004 election. Robert F Kennedy Jr penned an article in Rolling Stone accusing the GOP of stealing the election and Dem Rep John Conyers did the same.

The truth about ACORN is that an umber of it’s people have been arrested, charged and convicted of voter fraud. That’s just fact. What isn’t fact and where I disagree with the GOP base is that the election was stolen by ACORN. But as I’ve shown, that bit of wingnut propoganda is not relegated just to the GOP base.

Meanwhile, Conservative supporters might like to consider whether they approve of Glenn Beck telling his audience that the Dems are taking them to be slaughtered.

I’ve been very critical of Glenn Beck on my blog, Rush Limbaugh too, much to the consternation of some of my right wing readers. I’m curious that you didn’t feel the necessity to call out left wing commentators like Olbermann and Matthews however. Matthews who forgot Obama was black for an hour or who thought that West Point was “enemy territory”. Olbermann who said that Scott Brown was a racist or the Democratic Party that called the Cato Institute an extremist organisation or called Scott Brown an extremist. And of course let’s not forget Andrew Sullivan, the Daily Kos and Vanity Fair who regaled us with the fun story of Trig Palin’s birth. Crackpots the lot of them.

My point, which you spectacularly missed, is that if we are going to criticise one side, then it’s only right to apply that criticism to the other side too. Failure to do so negates the quality of the argument.

What percentage of Republicans have been subjected to a thorough anal-probing by aliens?

And how can we make sure the rest aren’t left out?

In a 2006 Zogby Poll, 66% of Democrats wanted Bush impeached.

And there were legit reasons for that. Name me one reason why Obama should be impeached?

Because Democrats never believed the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen.

That’s because the 2000 election actually was and in 2004 Kerry won the popular vote.

Not too mention that 42% of Democrats believed that Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.

That’s not the same as saying he actually did it.

The point is, both sides have their fair share of loons.

yeah right. The Republicans are full of racist birthers. You can’t even make any excuses for them.

Sunny

You can’t even make any excuses for them.

I have no intention of making excuses for racists or conspiracists, although I note that you are happy to make excuses for them (conspiracists).

That’s because the 2000 election actually was and in 2004 Kerry won the popular vote.

Only if you ignore the rule of law and reality. And as for Kerry winning the popular vote, what reality do you exist in? Bush won by 3 million votes.

Name me one reason why Obama should be impeached?

I haven’t argued for that so how can I.

I also note that 10% of Democrats want Obama to be impeached.

yeah right. The Republicans are full of racist birthers.

And evidence of the idiocy that drives the left is fully provided. Thankyou. I didn’t see you cite any evidence of racism, but then with your Kerry comment, you’re not really interested in facts are you?

although I note that you are happy to make excuses for them (conspiracists).

What’s the conspiracy I’m making excuses for?

And as for Kerry winning the popular vote, what reality do you exist in? Bush won by 3 million votes.

I stand corrected, I was referring to Al Gore and not Kerry. The latter was a lame candidate.

I also note that 10% of Democrats want Obama to be impeached.

They call themselves Democrats because they can’t spell past D…

And evidence of the idiocy that drives the left is fully provided.

Birthers are motivated by racism, it’s a fact.

I note that my characterisation of “Conservative Cabbie” as Tory rebuttal unit has not been contested.

Thes assertion “Because Democrats never believed the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen” clearly implies the party, or a substantial part of its membership. Yet only two named can be mustered in support.

Better luck next time, indeed.

My information is that seven temporary employees of ACORN and two now former ones were charged, and that none of these received a custodial sentence.

Your insistence on calling out folks like Keith Olbermann is strange: this, after all, is the presenter who last week apologised on air after Jon Stewart featured his accusations against Scott Brown on the Daily Show:

http://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2010/01/just-say-sorry.html

while the various “stars” of Fox News Channel (fair and balanced my arse) do no such thing. The only regular looking back comes when the righteous and vain Bill O’Reilly wastes large parts of his show taking others to task for calling out Fox (although even Bill-O kept schtum over the more glaring whoppers, like the Rasmussen Poll that added up to 120%).

And the point of my initial intervention, which you missed (spectacularly or otherwise), was to address your comment. Until and unless a law is enacted mandating scrupulous even handedness in comments following up blog posts, then we will all be more or less selective, to the inevitable disappointment of others.

Sunny

Birthers are motivated by racism, it’s a fact.

Facts as I understand it need evidence not supposition. Of course I’m in liberal world here so maybe the rules are different. Birtherism is a crock of shit but just remember that there are only two qualifications required to be President. That one is a natural born citizen and that one is at least 35. It’s not unreasonable for people to suggest that in light of the current controversy, perhaps it would be appropriate for nominees to prove their qualification in the future. And yes, I know Obama did.

Of course, the birther controversy is restricted to, in the main, a bunch of weirdo conspiracy theorists, some of whom are undoubtedly racist. Now we’ve established that, I was a little surprised doing a search of this site not to find you accusing Andrew Sullivan and Daily Kos of sexism over Trig Palin. You are all are keen on identifying -isms.

Anyway, without the birther controversy, the world would be without the joy of Orly Taitz. Who else can claim to be a Dentist, an estate agent and a lawyer?

”Not too mention that 42% of Democrats believed that Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.”

‘That’s not the same as saying he actually did it.’

What’s the difference between thinking Bush ’caused’ 9/11 and believing he ‘actually did it’? Unless the latter actually literally means thinking he flew the planes personally? It’s still a conspiracy theory. The Truthers are every bit as paranoid as the Birthers.

Nobody who owns an Apple Mac died on 9/11. I heard it on ‘Peep Show’.

Tim

I note that my characterisation of “Conservative Cabbie” as Tory rebuttal unit has not been contested.

Your insistence on calling out folks like Keith Olbermann is strange: this, after all, is the presenter who last week apologised on air after Jon Stewart featured his accusations against Scott Brown on the Daily Show:

Only because he was called out and reprimanded. Let’s remind ourselves what he said about Scott Brown, a moderate Republican who had worked with Democrats in the past and got more than 20% of Obama voters:

“In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees.”

Hey but he apologised though so that’s OK. And yes, Fox presenters do apologise. Sean Hannity did.

Until and unless a law is enacted mandating scrupulous even handedness in comments following up blog posts, then we will all be more or less selective, to the inevitable disappointment of others.

Another way of saying “ignorant”.

“• 63% think Obama is a socialist.”

The other 37% think he is a Nazi – The beautiful irony of political discourse.

Tim

Actually I apologise for the “ignorant” sentiment, that was a bit much.

Still I’ve apologised so that makes it alright now then doesn’t it

Conservative Cabbie, I accept your gracious apology, despite being called “stupid” by the Tory rebuttal unit, and now anticipate your taking the message of even handedness across the Tory and Libertarian part of the blogosphere.

After all, one wouldn’t want to be less than even handed in, er, advocating the idea of being even handed.

What kind of Republican Scott Brown is, I’m still unsure: he came across – whether intentionally or not – as “liberal”, although that, as I’ve said before, is a contradiction in terms nowadays. One particularly fundamentalist wingnut I encounter on Usenet is sure that Brown is “Conservative”, which in the US means well off the scale.

Tim

It was the point I called stupid, not you. Although maybe I’m missing some amusing left wing in-joke about “tory rebuttal unit”.

As for taking the message of fairness across the blogosphere, the best I can do is be fair on my own blog which is why I was one of the only right wing blogs to criticise Rush Limbaugh over his comments on Haiti in which I called him a sorry excuse for a human being. I’ve also been critical of Glenn Beck, the tone of tea-partiers and the GOP base for attacking RINO’s. Can’t do much more than that.

53% think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be president.

So 53% of Republicans think that a Republican is more qualified than a Democrat to be president? Stop the presses.

Whatever next? Polling shows that those voting Conservative “want Cameron to be PM”?

I’ve just seen Kos’ crosstabs on this poll. No wonder they got the numbers they did. Talk about skewing a sample:

18-29 178 9%
30-44 418 21%
45-59 664 33%
60+ 743 37%

NE 217 11%
SOUTH 846 42%
MW 437 22%
WEST 503 25%

I think it’s reasonable to suggest that elderly southerners are more likely to be prejudiced than others and so what do you do when you want to show people as being prejudiced? Poll more elderly southerners than any other demographic. Genius!

They polled only 11% in the North East. Even in the bluest state of the lot in that region, Vermont, 23% at the last election called themselves Republican, 24% conservative.

Kos fiddling the figures again. What a surprise.

“53% think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be president.

So 53% of Republicans think that a Republican is more qualified than a Democrat to be president? Stop the presses.”

No, start the presses, this means nearly half of all Republicans DON’T think she is more qualified. So they do have some sense, ‘the other half’, as they say, believe the world was created on American Independence Day, and that the dinosaurs were knocking about just before the great war of 1941-45.

“I think it’s reasonable to suggest that elderly southerners are more likely to be prejudiced than others and so what do you do when you want to show people as being prejudiced? Poll more elderly southerners than any other demographic. Genius!”

So she is even less popular than we first thought, nearly half (47%) of the old KKK members STILL think Obama is the

* (Good point to end that sentence/post). If I had not accidentally pressed the enter button I would have gone for… “STILL think Obama is…” ‘the man’, ‘the better man’, ‘the better black man’, in fact, the KKK brigade think a black socialist is more preferable to a white women. Gotta love the racists.

the poll skews South because that is where most Republicans are now CC.

Anyway, without the birther controversy, the world would be without the joy of Orly Taitz. Who else can claim to be a Dentist, an estate agent and a lawyer?

At least we can agree on something. And well done on criticising Rush Limbaugh. Too bad the peeps from ConservativeHome couldn’t manage it. I wonder why…

conservative cabbie said: “The truth about ACORN is that an umber of it’s people have been arrested, charged and convicted of voter fraud. That’s just fact.”

As I understand it there has been no voter fraud ie no fraudulent votes have been cast, rather voter registration fraud has occurred. In those cases ACORN are required under federal law to pass all completed voter registration forms to the relevant authorities, even those in the name of Micky Mouse (ACORN flag up thousands of these to the authorities in the process). These offences by individuals are an attempt to defraud ACORN itself by those who are paid by ACORN to do the voter registration (this is why they are temp employees).

It should also be noted that the Bush DOJs attempts to prosecute ACORN for voter fraud where there was none was the cause of the scandal of the dismissal of (even Bush appointed) District Attorneys for failing to bring prosecutions against ACORN as desribed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy

Secede from the USA? I’m sure most educated, professional Democrats would be well shot of the fucking retards who rely on federal money to keep themselves afloat.

http://americanreality.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/red-states-are-welfare-states/
http://americanreality.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/tea-partiers-would-die-without-a-redistribution-of-wealth/

Research 2000 = Remarkably biased firm. They have Obama on 55% for God’s sake.

I crossed swords with Cabbie a few times in 2008. While I disagreed with him on almost everything, he knows his stuff – particularly about US politics. He’s also pretty independent-minded, certainly not a Tory rebuttal unit. Let’s not alienate the decent fair-minded Conservatives. In a few month’s time they may be the best hope we have.

I’m not shocked by how thick some Americans are but I am shocked by the twisted lengths some will go to to defend their flawed, backward ideology.