“There are a whole bunch of other racist and misogynistic comments that remain unclaimed. For example:

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Subject: RE: Somalians?
Posted 18/11/2009 10:30

“Without trying to sound ignorant I absolutely despise them. think they are pure scum.”

[two laughing icons]

Everyone else does as well, though, especially the Kenyans.

87 per cent of Somalians in Britain areout of work; more than one in three have criminal convictions. Ghastly.”

Well it doesn’t seem that much of a stretch – nor indeed libellous – to assume that the person who wrote that was the same person, one ‘rod seacole liddle’, who wrote in this thread:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/5552353/muslim-savages-update.thtml

“Hiro, I usually agree with you. But the unemployment rates among Somalis in this country is 87 per cent; one in three who have been here for more than a year have criminal convictions.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/5552353/muslim-savages-update.thtml

“all any proper lad………”

Not all lads are that stupid.
The Nuts generation are far more discerning – Lucy Pinder or Cheryl Cole yes, Harriet Harman no no no!!!!

What I mean is that Sunny is picking a fight with Rod Liddle who has columns in The Times and The Sunday Times – columns that he could easily fill asking what are the motives behind the people who prevented him from becoming editor, who are they and lampooning any moral inconsistancies he might uncover.

God! I’m so scared at the power of Rod Liddle. What’s with the motives stuff? It’s a reasonable motive not wanting an arse like Liddle to be the editor of a left/ liberal newspaper. I wouldn’t want him to edit a serious right wing broadsheet like The Daily Telegraph either. He makes The Spectator, an intelligent and classy right-wing mag, look puerile. He might be all right for Loaded or Nuts.

It’s not just his sexist & racist views. It’s the fact that he thinks that putting them on a blog thread is like whispering them to a close and trusted mate. Doesn’t he know that the internet is a public space? And it’s something elementary that we all learn from the age of four onwards is that you don’t say in public what you might say in private.

I’m not surprised that he’s pulled out the stops on the Millwall site. You get the sense that he wants to be the lad who says what he thinks all the other lads are thinking, and only prissy school marms would take exception to this – ‘cos after all, that’s what any lad would think when confronting Harriet Harman. I mean she’s a fucking woman, so all any proper lad would think about her is that he wouldn’t want to shag her.

I see you think that people whose LibCon name is not actually their real name are merely hiding and not taking precautions to avoid being pestered by people beyond this forum. I trust you hold the same opion about Septicisle, Pager, Matt Munro, Rob, Damon, Rantersparadise etc?
Why do I care? I care to point out the inconsistency in all of the protestations about Rod Liddle from a board whose participants seem not tho believe in innocent until found guilty and prefer think a person guilty until they prove themself innocent. Sometimes you don’t have to scratch a ‘Liberal’ too hard to discover they are not that liberal after all.

Ranterparadise,

Your assertion that people on the left want to help others whilst those on the right want too help themselves is charming and naive. I hope you didn’t run up a huge student loan just to gain such a pearl of wisdom.

Make no mistake, whacking your girlfriend and racist banter is good for no one. However as someone who goes to watch football at Spurs, joined along with thousands of people there singing: “Sol Campbell takes it up the arse”, “Sit down you Paedophile!” (at Arsene Wenger) + “Jermaine Defoe is a real Yiddo” ( a complimentary song when he scores) – I think that some measure of what we consider to be acceptable depends upon it’s context.

Ted Kennedy, oh yes there was that one minor incident of the silly girl who didn’t get out of the car and blemished his fine public record, oh yes the girl on the beach and the IRA fundraising, but they were minor incidents as well. Makes Rod Liddle look like Little Bo Peep.
Guess what? Ted Kennedy is back in the news again today. And don’t fool yourself into thinking Kennedy’s campaign for full healthcare coverage is going down the pan just because of pre-mid term voting or disenchantment with how President Obama has performed – his seat has been relinquished by voters saying good riddance to the bad rubbish that represented them and to his party as a consequece.
So, what goes around comes around.

Stop being childish and making this a right or left issue.

The bottom line is people on the left inherently want to help people and people on the righ inherently want to help themselves.

So it goes down to this. You have 1 arseholes-Rod and Ol’ Teddy. You look at the background and you look at what they have achieved. Which is worse or better?

Teddy may have made a sh*tty mistake which should’ve thrown his butt in jail but apart from that one thing-which is huge like Rod ‘the batterer’, he has not continued to be a nasty piece of work like your bud Rod.

You write The reason I mentioned [Kennedy] was to to try and provide a bit of contrast and proportion. But, once again, Kennedy was never – to my knowledge, do correct me if I’m wrong – tipped to become editor of a national newspaper. So it’s completely out of proportion. If we were comparing politicians from a bygone era then you might, just, have a point. As it stands bringing left-leaning figures with dubious histories into the debate is OT at best, trolling at worst.

Back to the debate at hand – do you think Liddle is a suitable person for the post of editor at the Indie? If so, why? Do you think he should apologise or explain the comments “monkeymfc” left on the Millwall site? If not, why? Do you think Sunny is unreasonable in bringing to light the allegations of racism and sexism that we see on LC and elsewhere? Why?

It is, in my opinion, fairly obvious why decent-minded people (not just of the left) are alarmed at this particular individual having control over a paper’s editorial policy, not least the Independant. I’m not sure why this isn’t obvious to you.

Ted Kennedy left a woman to die, yet he died a hero to many on the left.
Rod Liddle thumped his wife, swears and used(s) derogatory words and he’s unfit to wipe your backsides.

Whilst you are slagging off Liddle think about this from Ted Kennedy’s obituary in the Independent and whether it might not apply to you:

“There was perhaps more than a touch of hypocrisy in the national outburst of moral indignation to which Kennedy was subjected: stones were certainly cast by many who were not without sin.”

Is that really the best you could do for a name to hide behind? I assume that it is not your given name, else you would be exclusively writing about how much you hated your parents.

Anyway.

The Rod Liddle thing is a reasonable news story is it not? Why shouldn’t folk who, after all, broke the story, be entitled to make of it what they can?

I am not sure why you are commenting here exactly. You claim it is to save us from ourselves, if I can take this nonsense to mean what I think it means:

The thrill of of the hunt is an intoxicating thing, red jackets horses, hounds and posh totty chasing a fox. However once they get it they’re back the following weekend to get another and another and another. Writing one Rod hunting topic after another Liberal Conspirators smells blood but don’t detect what is happening to themselves.

Why do you care?

Liddle’s antipathy towards Sunny is already on (digital) record, besides: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/fourth-estate/2009/12/rod-liddle-offend-blogger – see the comments section. It is odd Liddle won’t say specifically what he did and didn’t write, considering some of the very disgusting things that “monkeymfc” wrote. If it were me I’d want to clear my name ASAP, or issue an apology and explanation for what I was thinking behind “Surely if they’re fcking the Nigerians, Somalians etc the correct term would be ni**ermeat, rather than wogmeat?” and other such delightful comments.

I didn’t call you a troll but I might call you a patronising c**t if you’re not careful.

Your take on what is happening here is horribly wrong, you are defending Liddle because you hate Lib Con so much, fair play but it is see-through.

And hate to break it to you but in terms of life time achievement, abilities and overall standing when time will toll, Liddle is not in the same universe as Mr. Kennedy and that kind of terrible set-up by you is trollish…damn, there I said it.

You didn’t cal me a troll, so that’s a start.

The thrill of of the hunt is an intoxicating thing, red jackets horses, hounds and posh totty chasing a fox. However once they get it they’re back the following weekend to get another and another and another. Writing one Rod hunting topic after another Liberal Conspirators smells blood but don’t detect what is happening to themselves.

Dara bhur gCara,

“And Sunny don’t forget, what goes around comes around.”
What do you mean by that, exactly?

What I mean is that Sunny is picking a fight with Rod Liddle who has columns in The Times and The Sunday Times – columns that he could easily fill asking what are the motives behind the people who prevented him from becoming editor, who are they and lampooning any moral inconsistancies he might uncover.
Just a thought.

To every(any)one a quick question to test your consistency:
Who did you like the least: Rod Liddle or Ted Kennedy?
Whose actions were worse: Rod Liddle or Ted Kennedy?

I think the degree of influence that West Ham have is miniscule compared to the Sexpress, as anyone can tell. WHU do not start every game proclaiming that (for example) house prices are falling/rising due to immigrants conspiring to murder Diana, Queen of Hearts (or similar). So whoever owns WHU is irrelevent, whereas who owns newspapers is highly so.

As for Sunny, I disagree that this is a “campaign” by him in the way you suggest – it’s a news story that has broken due (mostly) to LC’s diligent reportage, which is presumably why there have been so many posts about Liddle recently.

FWIW I’m equally opposed to a former KGB agent owning British newspapers, but then I’m old-fashioned like that. Also I don’t particularly like a billionaire tax exile (good ol’ Mr Murdoch – whatever happened to hating him?) having undue sway over political discourse in this country but again, that’s for another debate (maybe).

I don’t see why it’s controversial to hate the idea of a racist, foul-mouthed, woman-hitting bigot as the editor of what once, at least, was a liberal/left-leaning newspaper.

Where’s the irony in a supposedly liberal website clamouring to have Rod Liddle kicked about in the hope that a foreign billionaire decides not to appoint him?

The irony is that you can’t see that the real story is Lebedev’s ownership of the Independent not Rod Liddle’s potential editorship, duh!!!!!!!

The current owner of The Independent is not from the United Kingdom, either, and I think that the whole issue of whether or not newspapers in the UK should be owned by people from outside the UK is a ship that has long since sailed.

Moreover, without a fundamental reordering of the current economic system, (which may in many ways be desirable,) it’s difficult to ethically justify or indeed practically apply legislation to prevent specific persons from purchasing specific enterprises. Appealing to the owner of an enterprise not to employ someone whose views are anathema to the customers of the enterprise, on the other hand, is something which is ethically justifiable and practically achievable, given that the enterprise is dependent on the goodwill of the aforementioned customers to continue to function.

And Sunny don’t forget, what goes around comes around.

What do you mean by that, exactly?

Also, I have no truck with right-whingers that try and out Lib Con as unliberal, when it is not and where is the rallying call here to kick him about?

The irony here is you protesting too much.

Try: “I’m not defending him but neither am I joining in the campaign to get him”

Where’s the irony in a supposedly liberal website clamouring to have Rod Liddle kicked about in the hope that a foreign billionaire decides not to appoint him?

The irony is that you can’t see that the real story is Lebedev’s ownership of the Independent not Rod Liddle’s potential editorship, duh!!!!!!!

And Sunny don’t forget, what goes around comes around.

“I’m not defending him but LEAVE HIM ALONE!”

that’s right. My overlords are not happy about Liddle’s position. I’ve go my instructions. Sorry,