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		<title>By: (D) Miliband&#8217;s last chance gone? &#171; Moments of Clarity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/01/08/is-david-miliband-the-biggest-loser-from-attempted-coup/#comment-96234</link>
		<dc:creator>(D) Miliband&#8217;s last chance gone? &#171; Moments of Clarity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hundal, The Independent trackback  John Rentoul thinks not writing for the in-turmoil Independent. Sunny Hundal isn&#8217;t too bothered if it is (preferring, much like myself,  the younger Miliband) while [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hundal, The Independent trackback  John Rentoul thinks not writing for the in-turmoil Independent. Sunny Hundal isn&#8217;t too bothered if it is (preferring, much like myself,  the younger Miliband) while [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SOCIALIST UNITY &#187; AROUND THE BLOGS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SOCIALIST UNITY &#187; AROUND THE BLOGS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at AVPS, Susan Press, Harpy Marx, Though Cowards Flinch, Rupa Huq, Sam Tarry and a good summary by Sunny Hundal at Lib Con which points out that the hapless David Miliband is the main loser, as he managed to come over as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at AVPS, Susan Press, Harpy Marx, Though Cowards Flinch, Rupa Huq, Sam Tarry and a good summary by Sunny Hundal at Lib Con which points out that the hapless David Miliband is the main loser, as he managed to come over as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t underestimate David Miliband, the guy grown into his role at the FCO, he&#039;s even developed some steely statesman like characteristics, he&#039;s well known globally and adored by the US. As is his mentor Blair. His time will come, and it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if he&#039;d make a better leader than Ed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t underestimate David Miliband, the guy grown into his role at the FCO, he&#8217;s even developed some steely statesman like characteristics, he&#8217;s well known globally and adored by the US. As is his mentor Blair. His time will come, and it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if he&#8217;d make a better leader than Ed.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he make a perfect Tory though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he make a perfect Tory though.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlieman</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/01/08/is-david-miliband-the-biggest-loser-from-attempted-coup/#comment-96024</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlieman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny, original post: &quot;Unlike his brother Ed, who I’ve been talking up as leader for over a year, David rarely gets passionate about any issue. He comes across as a stunted technocrat.&quot;

I am a bit uncomfortable about what follows. It may sound a bit like the Staines/Fawkes attacks on &quot;autistic&quot; Gordon Brown, which is far from my intent. I am struggling for the right words. 

But David Milliband, the politician, is a bit weird and awkward. He frequently comes across badly on TV, lacking social grace. He is an intellectual rather than a gut instinct responder; Prime Ministers require a quota of both attributes. His sluggish response to this week&#039;s attempted coup confirms that he should never be PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny, original post: &#8220;Unlike his brother Ed, who I’ve been talking up as leader for over a year, David rarely gets passionate about any issue. He comes across as a stunted technocrat.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am a bit uncomfortable about what follows. It may sound a bit like the Staines/Fawkes attacks on &#8220;autistic&#8221; Gordon Brown, which is far from my intent. I am struggling for the right words. </p>
<p>But David Milliband, the politician, is a bit weird and awkward. He frequently comes across badly on TV, lacking social grace. He is an intellectual rather than a gut instinct responder; Prime Ministers require a quota of both attributes. His sluggish response to this week&#8217;s attempted coup confirms that he should never be PM.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know who will win the leadership once labour is out of power, it might take many years before we have another labour government, lets hope whom ever takes over does not end up as a carbon copy of Blair or Brown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know who will win the leadership once labour is out of power, it might take many years before we have another labour government, lets hope whom ever takes over does not end up as a carbon copy of Blair or Brown.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaylaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaylaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Miliband is damaged but still in the game.

He&#039;s the only plausible alternative to Ed Balls.

Brown will try to fix the succession for Balls after the election.
(I&#039;d guess Charlie Whelan&#039;s already on the case part-time now).

Quite a few senior and talented people would rather flip hamburgers for Macdonalds than serve in a shadow cabinet under Balls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Miliband is damaged but still in the game.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s the only plausible alternative to Ed Balls.</p>
<p>Brown will try to fix the succession for Balls after the election.<br />
(I&#8217;d guess Charlie Whelan&#8217;s already on the case part-time now).</p>
<p>Quite a few senior and talented people would rather flip hamburgers for Macdonalds than serve in a shadow cabinet under Balls.</p>
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		<title>By: gastro george</title>
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		<dc:creator>gastro george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t imagine that the plotters and their acolytes are making many friends by continually blaming the supposed contenders for a lack of cojones.

But then I suspect Kettle and the like are just setting themselves up for a new battery of complaints when the new leader is not Blairite enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t imagine that the plotters and their acolytes are making many friends by continually blaming the supposed contenders for a lack of cojones.</p>
<p>But then I suspect Kettle and the like are just setting themselves up for a new battery of complaints when the new leader is not Blairite enough.</p>
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		<title>By: redpesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>redpesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny - I notice you didn&#039;t mention &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/07/brown-defeat-revolt-labour-leadership&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Martin Kettle&lt;/A&gt; in the &lt;I&gt;Guardian&lt;/I&gt;: he somehow manages to contrive a defeat for Brown even though the attempted coup was smaller than the one in June - but then he&#039;s still pining for Mr Tony as well as tearing his hair out over D. Miliband&#039;s inability to grow a pair and run against Brown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny &#8211; I notice you didn&#8217;t mention <a HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/07/brown-defeat-revolt-labour-leadership" rel="nofollow">Martin Kettle</a> in the <i>Guardian</i>: he somehow manages to contrive a defeat for Brown even though the attempted coup was smaller than the one in June &#8211; but then he&#8217;s still pining for Mr Tony as well as tearing his hair out over D. Miliband&#8217;s inability to grow a pair and run against Brown.</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Quietzapple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quietzapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes he prob is, but that is largely based on unwarranted assumptions. Neither Hoon nor Hewitt spoke to any cabinet minister, and the list of 6 which Tory Robinson decided to use to prolong the half day coup was a joke. Bit like 6 almost random Shadow cabinet Ministers who may have said something rude about Gordon in the tea room sometime.

Doesn&#039;t feel, nor is it much like John Major&#039;s final year when Labour sometimes had 50% in the polls and the governing party had massive policy differences, as the Tories still do. 

But they will troll on, in various guises, and in as many places as they can . . . Some of them are actually paid and called journalists y&#039;know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes he prob is, but that is largely based on unwarranted assumptions. Neither Hoon nor Hewitt spoke to any cabinet minister, and the list of 6 which Tory Robinson decided to use to prolong the half day coup was a joke. Bit like 6 almost random Shadow cabinet Ministers who may have said something rude about Gordon in the tea room sometime.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t feel, nor is it much like John Major&#8217;s final year when Labour sometimes had 50% in the polls and the governing party had massive policy differences, as the Tories still do. </p>
<p>But they will troll on, in various guises, and in as many places as they can . . . Some of them are actually paid and called journalists y&#8217;know?</p>
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		<title>By: Alisdair Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisdair Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let’s be clear – there is little policy difference at the top end of New Labour&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And, by goodness, isn&#039;t that a massive problem for the rest of us. A party whose hierarchy is still so blinkered and disconnected from the real liberal and left thinking not only of the grass roots, but which is to the right in many ways of the general populace. The  NewLab &#039;project&#039; has been instrumental in enshrining the sickening witless neo-liberal corporatist duopoly that British politics has become, disgracefully eroding civil liberties while overseeing an expansion in inequalities and a more divided,fractured society. The dreadful betrayal of the grass-roots and core Labour voters (taking folk for granted is unforgivably insulting when you proceed to sell them down the river), and the illiberal,undemocratic control-freakery of the NewLab machine, rank-and-file MPs have been filleted of any awkward-squadders and compliant (unprincipled,careerist) permanently on-message drones have been parachuted in (occasionally in nepotistic ways, but almost always to the dismay of local activists). That&#039;s the problem right there: the party was eviscerated by the &#039;project&#039; and the lobby-fodder couldn&#039;t show backbone or demonstrate principle if they tried (not that many seem inclined to do so), while those at the top were all complicit in (if not architects of) the bloody &#039;project&#039;..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s be clear – there is little policy difference at the top end of New Labour</p></blockquote>
<p>And, by goodness, isn&#8217;t that a massive problem for the rest of us. A party whose hierarchy is still so blinkered and disconnected from the real liberal and left thinking not only of the grass roots, but which is to the right in many ways of the general populace. The  NewLab &#8216;project&#8217; has been instrumental in enshrining the sickening witless neo-liberal corporatist duopoly that British politics has become, disgracefully eroding civil liberties while overseeing an expansion in inequalities and a more divided,fractured society. The dreadful betrayal of the grass-roots and core Labour voters (taking folk for granted is unforgivably insulting when you proceed to sell them down the river), and the illiberal,undemocratic control-freakery of the NewLab machine, rank-and-file MPs have been filleted of any awkward-squadders and compliant (unprincipled,careerist) permanently on-message drones have been parachuted in (occasionally in nepotistic ways, but almost always to the dismay of local activists). That&#8217;s the problem right there: the party was eviscerated by the &#8216;project&#8217; and the lobby-fodder couldn&#8217;t show backbone or demonstrate principle if they tried (not that many seem inclined to do so), while those at the top were all complicit in (if not architects of) the bloody &#8216;project&#8217;..</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The party is falling to bits, people are showing themselves for what they are cowards. But in the end this is Majors last year all over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The party is falling to bits, people are showing themselves for what they are cowards. But in the end this is Majors last year all over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leon Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Samuel Tarry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Tarry</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Political Scrapbook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Political Scrapbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 02:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: House Of Twits</title>
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		<dc:creator>House Of Twits</dc:creator>
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