I had one exchange with someone claiming to work involved geology and having studied sea levels, he confidently told me that sea levels are different around Britain, and well known fact that sea levels are different all over the world, he then linked URL to tide levels.

Meanwhile, the people of those islands in the Pacific who are in grave danger, now, from sinking coral atolls and huge underwater earthquakes in an area of very complicated tectonic plate interactions affected by a massive subduction zone, are of interest to Global Warmers only as a club to hit us with. If anyone of you really cared about these people, and they’re being conned into believing this lie, you’d begin campaigning for the truth.

This is an extraordinary large con, a long con in the jargon of conmen. That governments are involved is certain, the Met Offices of the US and Britain hand in glove co-ordinating this fraud as seen by their constant adjustments of past data and selection of stations, and their direct involvement in creating false graphs from the these methods from the national records of New Zealand, Australia and Russia, and how many more? In Britain they claim the original data are destroyed.

How scientific is that? ! These countries still have them, and they tell a completely different story.

You don’t have to buy into it.

You can download data from global measurements of greenhouse gases here:
http://gaw.kishou.go.jp/wdcgg/wdcgg.html

Now will you retract your baseless accusations?”

Y’all just don’t like the facts, do you? Keeling was on the volcano less than 2 years when he decided he ‘definitely’ saw a rise in global atmospheric CO2..
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Hello? He went to one of the worlds hot spots where volcanic activity is creating a new island even as we speak, where active volcanos give off CO2 locally above and undersea around the islands, where earthquakes are practically continual, so CO2 from these too.

He went there to create his man made hypothesis, first by creating a data set which excluded all the highs and lows which wouldn’t fit his theory, then by creating all stations in his theory’s image and likeness. That’s why they fit so well. His son continues this con, because it certainly isn’t science, at Scripps from which all this junk data continues to spew its hot air.

Strategist

Good grief. Don’t you check anything?

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/

“January 2010 Proclaimed Volcano Awareness Month
In a Proclamation from the County of Hawai’i, January 2010 has been designated “Volcano Awareness Month.” Throughout the month, the USGS Hawaiian Volcano Observatory (HVO), in cooperation with Hawai’i Volcanoes National Park, Hawai’i County Civil Defense, and the University of Hawai’i at Hilo, will sponsor various events to promote the importance of understanding and respecting the volcanoes on which we live.”

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs074-97/

“People on the Island of Hawai`i face many hazards that come with living on or near active volcanoes. These include lava flows, explosive eruptions, volcanic smog, damaging earthquakes, and tsunamis (giant seawaves). As the population of the island grows, the task of reducing the risk from volcano hazards becomes increasingly difficult. To help protect lives and property, U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) scientists at the Hawaiian Volcano Observatory closely monitor and study Hawai`i’s volcanoes and issue timely warnings of hazardous activity.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_Islands#Earthquakes

“Hawaii accounted for 7.3% of the United States’ reported earthquakes with a magnitude 3.5 or greater from 1974 to 2003, with a total 1533 earthquakes.”

“On Sunday, October 15, 2006, there was an earthquake with a magnitude of 6.7, off the northwest coast of the island of Hawaii, near the Kona area of the big island. The initial earthquake was followed approximately five minutes later by a magnitude 5.7 aftershock. Minor-to-moderate damage was reported on most of the Big Island. Several major roadways became impassable from rock slides, and effects were felt as far away as Honolulu, Oahu, nearly 150 miles (240 km) from the epicenter.”

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/HCV/loihi.html

“Loihi seamount, sometimes known as the “youngest volcano” in the Hawaiian chain, is an undersea mountain rising more than 3000 meters above the floor of the Pacific Ocean (Loihi is the red-capped nub that is pointed out in the of the image above). Both Loihi and Kilauea volcanoes sit on the flank Mauna Loa volcano, an older, larger, and still active volcano on the Big Island of Hawaii. ”

These are active volcanos, hundreds of earthquakes every year. Now you’ve heard it all. Research the detail for yourselves.

The only reason a scientist would be measuring CO2 in such an area would be to correlate it to volcanic and earthquake activity.

Keeling wasn’t a scientist, but a charlatan.

What’s really annoying here, is that actual CO2 readings properly correlated might help us, and especially the people of these islands, to better understand what is really happening here. But they’ve been screwing with the data for half a century now.

This AnGloW God is a bad joke at worst, the creation of those without integrity. They’ve been deliberately hiding the temperature decreases in the last decade (1998 was an El Nino year so not a trend), without integrity as proved in the emails.. They deliberately created the Hockey Stick to con us that there was some ‘flat’ temperature as normal. We’ve been had.

Now governments are putting ‘carbon taxes’ on domestic heating oil and petrol and diesel and frightening children by calling CO2 a poison and teaching them to fear it because they think it will destroy the earth. Why? Because they got thousands of people campaigning in support of their con.

If any here from those parts of Europe and US now hit by the worst winter weather we’ve had for decades…, hope you’re enjoying global warming.

Current measured temperatures are outside the limits predicted by the GCMs. The GCMs are great for predicting weather a few days into the future but are worthless for predicting climate. My research used none of the stuff that is used by the GCMs. If you follow the research you will discover that there is no ‘juggling of figures’.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/07/090731-green-sahara.html

Yes, it seems that grass is starting to grow there. Now this is really bad news, because if grass starts growing seriously, it might matt all the sand together and stop it from blowing about in the way God intended. Terrible. Whatever next? Trees? Vegetables? Flowers? My heart sinks. What are people going to eat when there’s no sand left to put in their sandwiches?

“Wouldn’t we like to know.. That’s one of the most active spots in the world for CO2 emissions from the volcanos and from the hundreds of earthquakes every year.”

I’ve heard it all now.

You can download data from global measurements of greenhouse gases here:
http://gaw.kishou.go.jp/wdcgg/wdcgg.html

Now will you retract your baseless accusations?

Dan – what the heck? Your graph bears no resemblance to real life – the climate models don’t agree with your suppositions, and you can juggle figures to get anything you like. Suffice to say I and many others disagree with your ideas. I appreciate you’ll disagree, but you’ll get your chance of fame over the next few years if the temperatures fall. Of course the 30 years trend will still be upwards, due to the well known physics of CO2 and other greenhouse gases, but that won’t matter to you.

Intersting admission for a warmer – given that the whole MMGW hypotheis is based on only 150 years of accurate temperature data. Every time the BBC say “the highest on record” they neglect to say the record only goes back to 1850.
It’s a scientific nonsense to extrapolate any meaningful trend based on data from such a minute fraction of the earth existence.

Fascinaing. So that bloke on the volcano in Hawaii who keeps measuring the rising amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is doing what then?

Apparently you are more impressed by the 22 year long temperature run-up from 1976 to 1998. You might even be astounded by the research linked @66 which produced an excellent match of average global temperatures since 1895. That is 114 years…and counting.

It is also sort of interesting that he seems to exclude direct measurement from his calculations:

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/11/the_australians_war_on_science_42.php

Fig 5 of this link is quite funny:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldselect/ldeconaf/12/12we18.htm

You can prove almost anything you like that way!

Facts like Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air and can’t do what devotees of the AGW god say it does.

Ever heard of atmospheric mixing?

Oxygen and Nitrogen, the main two constituents of the air you breath have different atomic weights. Oxygen is 15.9994 and Nitrogen is 14.00674. On the basis you predicate, the lower atmosphere would be entirely Oxygen would it not? Oxygen being heavier than Nitrogen.

You’ll have noticed it isn’t.

Nils Axel-Morner is not a cite I’d like to give. Given that he is a bit of an enthusiast for dowsing.

Facts.

Facts like Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air and can’t do what devotees of the AGW god say it does.

It’s not based on real science. The list of goes on, but for starters:

One of the worse problems AGW devotees have created is to convince the Pacific islanders that this is the cause of their problems so no attention is given to the very real dilemma facing them; the instability of coral islands, the movement of tectonic plates and earthquakes affecting islands hundreds of miles from these because of the interconnections.

Sea levels aren’t rising. The Maldives government ignored the results of real science research findings for a photo op and expectation of money for a problem which doesn’t exist. http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m10d28-Mike-Fox-Maldives-Raising-Sea-Level-Fraud

“..one of the foremost sea level experts in the world. He is the Swedish scientist Nils-Axel Morner.

In an October 20th letter to President Nasheed, Morner wrote, (http://tinyurl.com/ykb3ctc):

“When I was president for an international commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution, we spent much effort on the question of present-to-future sea level changes. After intensive field studies, deliberation within the commission and discussions at five international meetings, we agreed on a “best estimate” for possible sea level changes by the year 2100. Our figure was +10 cm ±10 cm. This figure was later revised at +5 cm ±15cm. Such changes would imply small to negligible effects.

Such a small rise would pose no threat for the Maldives. Rather, it would be a natural return to the conditions existing from 1790 to 1970; i.e. to the position before the sea level fall in the 1970s.

So, Mr. President, when you ignore available observational facts, refuse a normal democratic dialogue, and continue to menace your people with the imaginary threat of a disastrous flooding already in progress, I think you are doing a serious mistake.

Let us, for Heaven’s sake, lift the terrible psychological burden that you and your predecessor have placed upon the shoulders of all people in the Maldives, who are now living with the imagined threat that flooding will soon drive them from their homes, a wholly false notion that is nothing but an armchair fiction artificially constructed by mere computer modeling constantly proven wrong by meticulous real-world observations.”

The malpractice in this science which suppresses the finding of real scientists while promoting a con created out of manipulated data.

And last but not least, some of us just don’t like being conned and prefer to remain rational about this.

Carbon dioxide is the essential food for all life on earth, it is heavier than air, it always sinks through the atmosphere unless acted on by a greater force, such as wind.

etc.

According to my rudimentary knowledge of mathematics and economics, 2 people require twice as much food and water as 1 person. Ethiopia’s population appears to have doubled in 25 years. I don’t suppose this has any relevance?

Thanks for that.

There are options to damming rivers, even the Nile, but they take stuff like desalination plants, solar energy and big engineering as a given. Perhaps it is a lot easier just to fight….

Because for the last couple of years they have been looking at climate change , and global warming, and have a rather different view to our pretend Clarkson’s.

From MSNBC …….

“ For the past several years, Pentagon security analysts have looked anew at climate change, as if they were facing a potential enemy army or naval fleet. Global warming is now shaping their future military missions and nowhere more so than in places like Egypt, which is so dependent on its unique resource – fresh water.
Former CentCom Commander and retired U.S. Gen. Anthony Zinni, who co-wrote a groundbreaking report on the link between global warming and conflict in 2007, said that Egypt is on his list of “top ten” global climate hotspots.
“The Nile is Egypt and Egypt is the Nile. Historically, for millennia, they have defined their national interests around that, they’ve even said it would be a ‘causus beli,’ a reason for war, if the upstream resources were somehow controlled, dammed, polluted or whatever,” said Zinni.

But that is exactly what is happening. Even as the Nile Delta is covered in rising seas, the Nile itself is ‘shrinking’ – with thirsty upstream neighbors like Ethiopia damming the Nile, in four places at last count, to improve its own water supply.
Meanwhile, Sudan is selling some 30 million acres of commercial land to China, which will require, according to Hamza, at least 180 billion cubic meters of water to irrigate, for the export of crops back to China.
Where will the water come from? Where else? “It’s going to be a fight within the family, I think. But a big fight, if Ethiopia continues to dam, and Sudan continues to sell land,” Zinni warned.”

Now this has well and truly pissed of the right wing heritage foundation, but then nobody takes that organisation seriously and claims to be sane. After all, they are funded by billionaires and millionaires from the oil and coal industry for the sole purpose of promoting policies that benefit said millionaires and billionaires.

Just wait till 100’s of millions of people around the world are on the move. That will get them spluttering on their cornflakes as the read the Daily Telegraph.

I had had a beer which explains it rather better.

“Besides which, the fermentation process emits carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas.”

Quite. I once worked out (long story) that the CO2 which is used for gassification (ie, purely the stuff to give it sparkle and fizz, not the stuff from the actual brewing) is equal to the CO2 emitted from shipping bottled water around (both UK figures).

So, if we’re to campaign against bottled water, as many do, then we must also campaign against keg beer. Which is good news for CAMRA at least.

“Tim – I hope when you wrote that you’re having a beer like I am”.

Sorry, Sunny, but beer and lager are out. That should be the last one you drink. The fields which grew that barley solely for the purposes of brewing alcohol could have been used for growing food. Besides which, the fermentation process emits carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas. By the same token, anything produced using yeast is out – that is, alcohol in general and leavened bread. Cider apple orchards can be grubbed up for growing wheat, which, together with potatoes, should be our main source of carbohydrates, thus avoiding the import of rice, which has a very large carbon footprint, having to be carted halfway round the world if it’s eaten here. Sorry, but that’s the way it is. We’ve got to be prepared to make sacrifices for the good of the planet.