Cleaners worth more to society than bankers


by Newswire    
December 14, 2009 at 3:57 am

As City bankers plan how to spend their generous Christmas bonuses, a report from nef (the new economics foundation) published today, Monday 14 December 2009, unveils a new method for calculating the true value to society of different jobs.

A Bit Rich? Calculating the Real Value to Society of Different Professions questions whether pay reflects the true value of different jobs and shatters some of the myths used to justify high pay.

Controversy over bankers’ bonuses raises fundamental questions, not just about the pay of senior executives, but also about the relative value of everyone’s work in society.

For each activity, the analysis measures the conventional economic returns, including job creation, but adds in, for example, attributable environmental degradation, and changes in well-being – either positive or negative – to individuals and communities in wider society.
The research reveals that overall:

· Elite City bankers (earning £1 million-plus bonuses) destroy £7 of value for every £1 they create.
· Hospital cleaners create over £10 in value for every £1 they receive in pay.
· Advertising executives destroy £11 of value for every £1 created.
· Child care workers generate between £7 and £9.50 for every £1 they are paid.
· Tax accountants destroy £47 for every £1 they create.
· Waste recycling workers generate £12 for every £1 spent on their wages.

Eilís Lawlor at nef said: “This report is not about targeting individuals in highly paid jobs. Neither is it simply suggesting that people in low-paid jobs should be paid more. The point we are making is more fundamental – that there should be a relationship between what we are paid and the value our work generates for society. We’ve found a way to calculate that.”

In particular, the report challenges the claim that high pay does not matter so long as poverty is eradicated.

High pay comes on the back of extraordinary profits, made possible because companies do not have to pay the full costs of their activities. Some of the costs of production may be hard to see, such as greenhouse gas emissions or the impacts of sweated labour, but someone is bearing them now – or in the future.

A Bit Rich suggests that until the prices of goods and services reflects the true costs of their production, incentives will be misaligned. This means damaging activities will be relatively cheap and profitable, whilst positive activities will be discouraged.

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1. Calculations contained in the report were performed using some of the principles of Social Return on Investment (SROI) an analytic tool for measuring and accounting for a much broader concept of value. It incorporates social, environmental and economic costs and benefits into decision making, providing a fuller picture of how value is created or destroyed. For more information visit this page.

2. Examples of factors considered in the calculations

For City Bankers
We calculated the value created or destroyed by elite investment bankers earning more than £500,000 – and specifically those commanding £1 million-plus bonuses. Factors in calculating the value they created included the average annual contribution of the City of London to UK economic activity; tax contributions to the Exchequer and jobs provided in the wholesale finance sector. Against that were weighed the cost of the current financial crisis – triggered by the risky activities of bankers – in terms of loss to UK gross domestic product and economic capacity; and the cost of the crisis in terms of the negative impact on public finance. The model balanced the value destroyed in the crash with the value created during a 20-year indicative career.

For hospital cleaners
There are some 27,000 hospital cleaners in the UK, earning on average just over £6 an hour. Our baseline measure was the prevention of the spread of hospital-acquired infections. Factors included the number of infections cleaners are estimated to prevent each year, the savings to the NHS, estimates of the number and value of lives saved through prevented infections and of the wider contribution cleaners make to overall patient care and the effective running of hospitals.

From a press release


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I heard someone from this organisation this morning on the radio. All I can say is that when they grow up, and maybe find out a bit about economics, they’re going to be really embarrassed about this one. It was just very, very stupid.

I have no problem with people publishing a report that clearly comprise the most ridiculous and illogical bollocks you have ever heard in your life. I do have a problem with the fact that these tossers were paid £1.5 million in salaries from public money to do it.

Can I suggest to George that he not only makes the New Economics Foundation the very first fake charity he stops funding but investigates suing the individuals concerned with a view to getting our money back.

File under useless thieving bastards.

Examples of bollocks from the report.

“What Marx correctly predicted was that real wages, or returns to workers, would be eroded over time.”

As real wages are going up as they have been for the past couple of centuries it’s very difficult indeed to see how Marx was correct with this.

“In summary, if we consider the impact of unpaid labour on paid labour, or even the interrelationships between them, we can certainly make the point that lower-income individuals work just as hard (or even harder) than their higher-income counterparts.”

Leisure hours have been growing faster for the low paid than the high paid.

“Prevailing wisdom would say yes: pay is a reward that reflects merit.”

No, it reflects scarcity.

“Fishing is the most dangerous job in Britain, with roofers and scaffolders also high up on the danger list, and waste recycling collectors are at number 18. Yet in none of these industries are rank-and-file workers highly paid.”

The first three most certainly are highly paid jobs: when we adjust for the human capital requirements of those who do them.

“The impact of globalisation has made matters worse, contributing to an increasing specialisation of the workforce….”

What, we’re against the division and specialisation of labour now?

No wonder there are those out there who call them the kno no economics foundation.

^^^^

You all bankers? What tough lads you are!

@ Tim

I think you are wasting the plastic on your keyboard trying to point out flaws in their economic argument.

The point about the New Economics Foundation is that they have made a fantastic breakthrough that had, until now, escaped all the great economists.

Keynes and Friedman didn’t know what they were talking about because, you see, money has no place in economic theory. NEF have discovered that economic value is whatever they deem it to be and anything to do with money is, therefore, “old economics” because they have abolished all laws related to supply and demand.

Who needs money?

And yet…..we have to pay them up to £70K a year each to tell us this.

‘Elite bankers destroy £7 of value for every £1 they make’ – are you sure you’ve not left a few zeros off the £7?
‘Advertising executives destroy £11 of value for every £1 they make’ – advertising only adds to the cost of the product, this statement is no surprise.
This post seems to have brought out a few apologists for high earnings, perhaps @4 is close to the mark.

That document made my brain bleed. The marginal productivity theory of wages suggests that total real compensation (the largest part of which is the real wage) tends to equal a worker’s marginal revenue product of labour. This is both theoretically and empirically sound; here’s a simple graph with US data: http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2006/09/lazear20060912_8.gif

They’ve tried to get around the facts by making this ridiculous appeal to some arbitrary “social value”. I note, however, that they don’t seem to have included, for example, the “social value” created by “elite bankers” providing liquidity. Seeing as though this is perhaps the main function of banks, and has huge macroeconomic importance, I can only conclude that the authors didn’t include it because it wouldn’t match up with their ideological views.

What’s confusing is that the marginal productivity theory of wages is the scientific consensus, yet liberalconspiracy.org appears to have no qualms about disagreeing with it. This seems to be slightly hypocritical considering the widespread use of the word “denier” on this site in relation to those who are sceptical of AGW.

@7 you’re confusing Liberal Conspiracy with NEF. NEF are a bunch of deeply embarrassing clowns, unburdened by any concept of ‘economics’. Unless I failed to get the memo, LC is a ‘blog’ on the ‘Internet’, running an *attributed* NEF press release.

(although yes, as a lefty who does understand economics, I’m really quite ashamed of the utter, glorious stupidity of the NEF report.)

@8 I’m aware that they’re different organizations, but this Newswire post seems to suggest that LC (or at least one of the editors) is in agreement. If that isn’t the case, then I apologise.

The NEF are a cranky organisation, LibCon would do well to distance itself from them.

Can anyone comment on their funding?

It seems quite clear from their accounts that most of their income comes from the government but quite where it comes from is carefully concealed.


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