Comments on: The most bigoted candidate in Britain? http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:19:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Derek Oakley http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90389 Derek Oakley Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:32:55 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90389 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">The most bigoted candidate in Britain? http://bit.ly/4rbIbX</span></span> The most bigoted candidate in Britain? http://bit.ly/4rbIbX

]]> By: Colonel Richard Hindrance (Mrs) VC, DSO & Bar Six, KitKat http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90249 Colonel Richard Hindrance (Mrs) VC, DSO & Bar Six, KitKat Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:28:26 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90249 Old Holborn? Old bollocks, more like. Old Holborn? Old bollocks, more like.

]]> By: Dick the Prick http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90233 Dick the Prick Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:05:44 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90233 It's a tough call being an Independent though - we've got a chap who's wittering about 4 reservoirs rather than anything substantial. Hmm.. it does kinda seem that the party machines lock up many choices so shrill nutters or marginal interests are all that's left. It will be interesting watching the candidates for elected mayors if any council fails to stich up the PH&I Act (2007) which comes into play in April. It’s a tough call being an Independent though – we’ve got a chap who’s wittering about 4 reservoirs rather than anything substantial. Hmm.. it does kinda seem that the party machines lock up many choices so shrill nutters or marginal interests are all that’s left.

It will be interesting watching the candidates for elected mayors if any council fails to stich up the PH&I Act (2007) which comes into play in April.

]]> By: Dunc http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90209 Dunc Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:40:54 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90209 pagar @44: <blockquote>Do you have a link for that Dunc?</blockquote> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0005/ai_2699000576/ "Preference for children as sex partners may not be exclusive, and <i>more often than not, pedophiles have no gender preference in prepubescent children</i>." http://www.springerlink.com/content/m4336n78466357t2/ "Pedophiles differentiated erotically between females and males less than males who erotically preferred physically mature partners." pagar @44:
Do you have a link for that Dunc?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0005/ai_2699000576/

“Preference for children as sex partners may not be exclusive, and more often than not, pedophiles have no gender preference in prepubescent children.”

http://www.springerlink.com/content/m4336n78466357t2/

“Pedophiles differentiated erotically between females and males less than males who erotically preferred physically mature partners.”

]]> By: Old Holborn http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90207 Old Holborn Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:19:33 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90207 He should convert to Islam, then the Left would love him (and he could raise his contempt of gays to wanting to stone them to death) http://www.hizb.org.uk/ He should convert to Islam, then the Left would love him (and he could raise his contempt of gays to wanting to stone them to death)

http://www.hizb.org.uk/

]]> By: Colonel Richard Hindrance (Mrs) VC, DSO & Bar Six, KitKat http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90188 Colonel Richard Hindrance (Mrs) VC, DSO & Bar Six, KitKat Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:10:35 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90188 I just find Matt Munro amusing. I just find Matt Munro amusing.

]]> By: Reuben http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90175 Reuben Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:29:49 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90175 Cheers left outside. I find it really amusing when matt munro attempts logic. Cheers left outside. I find it really amusing when matt munro attempts logic.

]]> By: Left Outside http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90161 Left Outside Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:57:59 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90161 Fair enough, just used to arguing with people on the internet... Fair enough, just used to arguing with people on the internet…

]]> By: Matt Munro http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90159 Matt Munro Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:34:42 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90159 Familiar with the concept of free speech beleive it or not. Still funny. Familiar with the concept of free speech beleive it or not. Still funny.

]]> By: Left Outside http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90156 Left Outside Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:17:54 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90156 Matt Munro: That's sort of the point of free speech. He's a bigot/tosser/deeply uneducated/etc (delete as applicable), we call him out on that but we don't ask for his views to be banned. [merecat]Simples.[/merecat] Matt Munro: That’s sort of the point of free speech.

He’s a bigot/tosser/deeply uneducated/etc (delete as applicable), we call him out on that but we don’t ask for his views to be banned.

[merecat]Simples.[/merecat]

]]> By: Matt Munro http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90155 Matt Munro Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:11:15 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90155 It's quite amusing this, watching you guys defend his right to free speech whilst simulatneously calling him a tosser. It’s quite amusing this, watching you guys defend his right to free speech whilst simulatneously calling him a tosser.

]]> By: pagar http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90154 pagar Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:44:32 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90154 @ 50 <i>The continuous italics confused me</i> Yeah messed it up. Bring the edit function, back, Sunny, even if it means the twitters don't count in your stats. Two points. 1) GMP should have better things to do with their time than threaten bloggers. If they haven't they should be in line for some cutbacks. 2) I should have better things to do with my time than defend tossers like Carvaths right to free speech. Tosser. @ 50 The continuous italics confused me

Yeah messed it up. Bring the edit function, back, Sunny, even if it means the twitters don’t count in your stats.

Two points.

1) GMP should have better things to do with their time than threaten bloggers. If they haven’t they should be in line for some cutbacks.

2) I should have better things to do with my time than defend tossers like Carvaths right to free speech.

Tosser.

]]> By: Reuben http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90151 Reuben Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:13:29 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90151 Disgusting tosser indeed. Yet so is the police constable in question, not only for demanding the removal of that is offensive but also using weasel words to put the frighteners on an individual even when it is unclear if has broken any particular law Disgusting tosser indeed. Yet so is the police constable in question, not only for demanding the removal of that is offensive but also using weasel words to put the frighteners on an individual even when it is unclear if has broken any particular law

]]> By: Unity http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90150 Unity Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:09:08 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90150 @47 Don't tell him Pike @47 Don’t tell him Pike

]]> By: Charlieman http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90149 Charlieman Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:07:04 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90149 @46 Pagar. The continuous italics confused me, because I can't follow Carvath from the copper without referring to Carvath's blog. Nor can I determine whether your support was ironic. Whatever. This should not be a serious freedom of speech issue, but if the coppers are telling Carvath to shut up, the coppers should be told to piss off. Carvath is an offensive idiot, but until he provokes or causes harm, that is his liberty. @46 Pagar. The continuous italics confused me, because I can’t follow Carvath from the copper without referring to Carvath’s blog. Nor can I determine whether your support was ironic.

Whatever. This should not be a serious freedom of speech issue, but if the coppers are telling Carvath to shut up, the coppers should be told to piss off. Carvath is an offensive idiot, but until he provokes or causes harm, that is his liberty.

]]> By: Richard Carvath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90148 Richard Carvath Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:03:05 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90148 Larry, Yes! Furthermore I find the cowardice of 'Unity' in making such remarks about a named person from behind the veil of anonymity rather disgusting (but sadly such atrocious behaviour is commonplace with political bloggers). Larry,

Yes!

Furthermore I find the cowardice of ‘Unity’ in making such remarks about a named person from behind the veil of anonymity rather disgusting (but sadly such atrocious behaviour is commonplace with political bloggers).

]]> By: Colonel Richard Hindrance (Mrs) VC, DSO & Bar Six, KitKat http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90147 Colonel Richard Hindrance (Mrs) VC, DSO & Bar Six, KitKat Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:01:17 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90147 "As a Christian I speak and act out of love" Yup. Love. Lashings of lovely love. That's certainly the impression you get from reading this wanker's blog. Bonus! Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQcE2dq3YD0 “As a Christian I speak and act out of love”

Yup. Love. Lashings of lovely love. That’s certainly the impression you get from reading this wanker’s blog.

Bonus! Jesus Thinks You’re a Jerk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQcE2dq3YD0

]]> By: Adolph Hilter http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90146 Adolph Hilter Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:58:24 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90146 "I’ve yet to meet a vegetarian who would desctibe themself as anything other than liberal." Right! Zat's it! You're going on zer list! “I’ve yet to meet a vegetarian who would desctibe themself as anything other than liberal.”

Right! Zat’s it! You’re going on zer list!

]]> By: pagar http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90145 pagar Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:44:53 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90145 Actually, the most interesting thing about this story has been missed. Following his blog post on the Tory candidate, Carvath received a letter from a PC (that's Police Constable) from Greater Manchester Police. <i>A reader of your article has made a complaint that the content is offensive and feels strongly enough to report this matter to the police. He wishes for you to be advised over the potential alarm and distress caused by your article. Whilst not taking this at face value and understanding the meaning of language and how it can be misinterpreted, it could be argued that the context of the comments made could be construed to be borderline criminal. At this stage I feel it would be advisable for you to remove this from your blog thereby preventing misinterpretation.<i> I'll give you his response along with my instinctive reactions as I read it. <i>My advice to you is to stop being a social engineer trying to suppress free speech and get on with genuine police work.<i> Sound advice, you're not supposed to be thought police. <i>It is not a crime to criticise homosexuality and nor is it a crime to refer to a public gay political activist as a homosexual pervert.</i> Quite right. Freedom of speech is paramount. It's an absolute right. <i>Even if it were a crime I'm a British evangelical Christian so nothing and nobody is going to tell me what I can and can't say in my own country. As a Christian I speak and act out of love - not hate - so my motive for referring to homosexuality as a perversion is love.</i> Bang him up quick, the tosser. Actually, the most interesting thing about this story has been missed.

Following his blog post on the Tory candidate, Carvath received a letter from a PC (that’s Police Constable) from Greater Manchester Police.

A reader of your article has made a complaint that the content is offensive and feels strongly enough to report this matter to the police. He wishes for you to be advised over the potential alarm and distress caused by your article. Whilst not taking this at face value and understanding the meaning of language and how it can be misinterpreted, it could be argued that the context of the comments made could be construed to be borderline criminal.

At this stage I feel it would be advisable for you to remove this from your blog thereby preventing misinterpretation.

I’ll give you his response along with my instinctive reactions as I read it.

My advice to you is to stop being a social engineer trying to suppress free speech and get on with genuine police work.

Sound advice, you’re not supposed to be thought police.

It is not a crime to criticise homosexuality and nor is it a crime to refer to a public gay political activist as a homosexual pervert.

Quite right. Freedom of speech is paramount. It’s an absolute right.

Even if it were a crime I’m a British evangelical Christian so nothing and nobody is going to tell me what I can and can’t say in my own country. As a Christian I speak and act out of love – not hate – so my motive for referring to homosexuality as a perversion is love.

Bang him up quick, the tosser.

]]> By: Charlieman http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90144 Charlieman Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:23:05 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90144 Jennie @27: I've always understood the "situational homosexual" definition to describe the conduct of men and women when the sexes are separated. That when people are incarcerated or in a single sex service or live in a remote region, they are more likely to indulge in recreational homosexuality and revert to heterosexuality when their social climate changes. And when Kinsey was researching his reports, single sex environments were not only more numerous than today, but some populations (eg armed services) were huge. Thus a 10% homosexual population by the Kinsey standard (ie people who had indulged in recreational sex with a member of the same sex at that time) is probably an underestimate. Of course, that is very different from saying that 10% of the population is gay. It would be interesting to see whether people who were in their teens and twenties in the second world war perceive homosexuality differently from slightly younger people. I was intrigued by Unity's international stats on the question "that homosexuality is a way of life that society should accept". The survey figures don't quite match up with real world tolerance (eg prevalence of gay bars or acceptance of two men embracing in public). Simple questions receive simple responses, particularly when the subjects want to appear liberal. You need more probing questions to determine which nation is the most tolerant to homosexuality, bisexuality and transgenderism. Jennie @27: I’ve always understood the “situational homosexual” definition to describe the conduct of men and women when the sexes are separated. That when people are incarcerated or in a single sex service or live in a remote region, they are more likely to indulge in recreational homosexuality and revert to heterosexuality when their social climate changes.

And when Kinsey was researching his reports, single sex environments were not only more numerous than today, but some populations (eg armed services) were huge. Thus a 10% homosexual population by the Kinsey standard (ie people who had indulged in recreational sex with a member of the same sex at that time) is probably an underestimate. Of course, that is very different from saying that 10% of the population is gay.

It would be interesting to see whether people who were in their teens and twenties in the second world war perceive homosexuality differently from slightly younger people.

I was intrigued by Unity’s international stats on the question “that homosexuality is a way of life that society should accept”. The survey figures don’t quite match up with real world tolerance (eg prevalence of gay bars or acceptance of two men embracing in public). Simple questions receive simple responses, particularly when the subjects want to appear liberal. You need more probing questions to determine which nation is the most tolerant to homosexuality, bisexuality and transgenderism.

]]> By: pagar http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90142 pagar Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:22:14 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90142 <i>Most paedophiles are unconcerned with the gender of their victims.</i> Do you have a link for that Dunc? Most paedophiles are unconcerned with the gender of their victims.

Do you have a link for that Dunc?

]]> By: Larry Teabag http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90141 Larry Teabag Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:17:24 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90141 <em>I dispute Iain Lindley’s above statement.</em> Noted. Do you dispute Unity's statement that you are "a raging, wilfully ignorant, bigot"? I dispute Iain Lindley’s above statement.

Noted.

Do you dispute Unity’s statement that you are “a raging, wilfully ignorant, bigot”?

]]> By: George Tait http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90140 George Tait Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:16:06 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90140 As a gay man, may I take this opportunity to say that I've looked at Richard's video on Youtube and have concluded that he's quite sexy. If he wants my number..... As a gay man, may I take this opportunity to say that I’ve looked at Richard’s video on Youtube and have concluded that he’s quite sexy. If he wants my number…..

]]> By: Shatterface http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90139 Shatterface Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:03:15 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90139 'How often do you have to ride a bike before you are defined as a ‘cyclist’? Is owning one enough?' I'm not sure if I'm a bi-cyclist or if it's just situational. ‘How often do you have to ride a bike before you are defined as a ‘cyclist’? Is owning one enough?’

I’m not sure if I’m a bi-cyclist or if it’s just situational.

]]> By: Richard Carvath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/the-most-bigoted-candidate-in-britain/#comment-90136 Richard Carvath Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:32:15 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9793#comment-90136 I dispute Iain Lindley's above statement. I have in my possession the membership card which the Conservative Party issued to me in 2008. I dispute Iain Lindley’s above statement. I have in my possession the membership card which the Conservative Party issued to me in 2008.

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