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		<title>By: map</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-97175</link>
		<dc:creator>map</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Munro</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90366</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NHS could save millions if they stopped advertsing, (telling people to phone an ambulance if someone has a stroke being the latest assinine example) spedning money on PR would be questionable at the best of times but when it increases demand for an already struggling public service it&#039;s just mad.  Ditto the millions wasted on the public funded sales drive for tamiflu.  The NHS needs to go back to providing a reactive health service, rather than trying to promote the governments idea of health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NHS could save millions if they stopped advertsing, (telling people to phone an ambulance if someone has a stroke being the latest assinine example) spedning money on PR would be questionable at the best of times but when it increases demand for an already struggling public service it&#8217;s just mad.  Ditto the millions wasted on the public funded sales drive for tamiflu.  The NHS needs to go back to providing a reactive health service, rather than trying to promote the governments idea of health.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90332</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to say, the writing was already on the wall for those who closely follow the fiscal news. An unpalatable fact is that the IFS warned back in 2001:

&quot;Labour&#039;s pledges to tackle poverty and drag Britain&#039;s underfunded NHS up to European levels have opened up a £17bn black hole in the government&#039;s finances that will have to be plugged by higher taxes, the UK&#039;s leading financial experts said last night. 

&quot;The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), an independent thinktank, said it would cost the equivalent of 6p on the basic rate of income tax for Labour to match the average European Union health spending, introduce new tax breaks for the working poor and repair the damage to the public finances caused by economic slowdown.&quot;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2001/nov/29/uk.budget2002

In today&#039;s news about the NHS and spending cuts:

&quot;The National Health Service can make the £15bn to £20bn of savings needed during the next three years without damaging the quantity or quality of care – indeed while even improving the latter – according to David Nicholson, the NHS chief executive.&quot;
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6fba7dfe-e683-11de-98b1-00144feab49a.html

The present NHS budget is c. £104 billion. How come as much as £15bn to £20bn can be saved without damaging the quantity or quality of services - according to the NHS chief executive? That really doesn&#039;t say anything reassuring about productivity in the NHS. The big question is how far much of the same can be said of other public spending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to say, the writing was already on the wall for those who closely follow the fiscal news. An unpalatable fact is that the IFS warned back in 2001:</p>
<p>&#8220;Labour&#8217;s pledges to tackle poverty and drag Britain&#8217;s underfunded NHS up to European levels have opened up a £17bn black hole in the government&#8217;s finances that will have to be plugged by higher taxes, the UK&#8217;s leading financial experts said last night. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), an independent thinktank, said it would cost the equivalent of 6p on the basic rate of income tax for Labour to match the average European Union health spending, introduce new tax breaks for the working poor and repair the damage to the public finances caused by economic slowdown.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2001/nov/29/uk.budget2002" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2001/nov/29/uk.budget2002</a></p>
<p>In today&#8217;s news about the NHS and spending cuts:</p>
<p>&#8220;The National Health Service can make the £15bn to £20bn of savings needed during the next three years without damaging the quantity or quality of care – indeed while even improving the latter – according to David Nicholson, the NHS chief executive.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6fba7dfe-e683-11de-98b1-00144feab49a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6fba7dfe-e683-11de-98b1-00144feab49a.html</a></p>
<p>The present NHS budget is c. £104 billion. How come as much as £15bn to £20bn can be saved without damaging the quantity or quality of services &#8211; according to the NHS chief executive? That really doesn&#8217;t say anything reassuring about productivity in the NHS. The big question is how far much of the same can be said of other public spending?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Munro</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90304</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sunny is underestimating the intelligence of the average voter.  You don&#039;t need to be an economist to realise than a country cannot live on credit indefinately, any more than a person can.  IIRC 20% of current Government spending is currently debt repayments, a figure that will rise (and keep rising unless spending is controlled) for the forseeable future.  At some point the bullet has to be bitten, and the only thing I would take from the PBR is that labour know they are not going to win the next election, they will not therefore have to take the pain and have, quite logically, not set out any plans to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sunny is underestimating the intelligence of the average voter.  You don&#8217;t need to be an economist to realise than a country cannot live on credit indefinately, any more than a person can.  IIRC 20% of current Government spending is currently debt repayments, a figure that will rise (and keep rising unless spending is controlled) for the forseeable future.  At some point the bullet has to be bitten, and the only thing I would take from the PBR is that labour know they are not going to win the next election, they will not therefore have to take the pain and have, quite logically, not set out any plans to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90298</link>
		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW - consider the Guardians latest editorial:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/11/public-spending-cuts-to-come</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8211; consider the Guardians latest editorial:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/11/public-spending-cuts-to-come" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/11/public-spending-cuts-to-come</a></p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90293</link>
		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny, if all these papers that have supported Labour for so many years seem to be concerned about the deficit, perhaps that is a sign that the deficit is something to be concerned about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny, if all these papers that have supported Labour for so many years seem to be concerned about the deficit, perhaps that is a sign that the deficit is something to be concerned about.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Munro</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90265</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Guardian, and the biggest supplier of news online is the BBC.
The labour government is socially left wing, economically right wing(ish), ultimately that&#039;s what screwed them up, a marriage of convenience, with a messy divorce due to irreconcilable differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Guardian, and the biggest supplier of news online is the BBC.<br />
The labour government is socially left wing, economically right wing(ish), ultimately that&#8217;s what screwed them up, a marriage of convenience, with a messy divorce due to irreconcilable differences.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny H</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90248</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said the Labour govt was left-wing? It&#039;s not about who is holding the torch for Labour... it&#039;s more that the left doesn&#039;t really have a national newspaper other than the Mirror to reflect its values. 

Hence why internet spaces are so important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said the Labour govt was left-wing? It&#8217;s not about who is holding the torch for Labour&#8230; it&#8217;s more that the left doesn&#8217;t really have a national newspaper other than the Mirror to reflect its values. </p>
<p>Hence why internet spaces are so important.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90245</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Left with only the &lt;i&gt;Mirror&lt;/i&gt; to hold the torch for the Government.  Sad really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left with only the <i>Mirror</i> to hold the torch for the Government.  Sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny H</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90243</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Indy is indeed a right-wing rag these days... apart from a few lefty journalists left in its ranks.</description>
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		<title>By: Andreas Paterson</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/12/10/labour-isnt-radical-enough-on-the-economy/#comment-90215</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie2@28 - That&#039;s a comment piece by Sean O&#039;Grady, expressing concerns about the deficit and the national debt has been a rrunning theme in his columns. In terms of coverage, it&#039;s nothing new</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie2@28 &#8211; That&#8217;s a comment piece by Sean O&#8217;Grady, expressing concerns about the deficit and the national debt has been a rrunning theme in his columns. In terms of coverage, it&#8217;s nothing new</p>
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		<title>By: 0-i biz</title>
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		<dc:creator>0-i biz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Liberal Conspiracy » Labour isn&#039;t radical enough on the economy http://bit.ly/6M25NQ&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Vinay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Vinay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Liberal Conspiracy » Labour isn&#039;t radical enough on the economy: This is the central difference between the Tory a... http://bit.ly/812L7w&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Anne Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RedRouteForex</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedRouteForex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Charlie2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27. Sunny H . That well known right wing rag &quot; The Indy &quot; said today . p3. &quot; The next budget Mr Darling delivers may be written by the IMF&quot;.  &quot;As the economy is concerned , the verdict on Mr Darlings packages  is simple : too little, too late&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27. Sunny H . That well known right wing rag &#8221; The Indy &#8221; said today . p3. &#8221; The next budget Mr Darling delivers may be written by the IMF&#8221;.  &#8220;As the economy is concerned , the verdict on Mr Darlings packages  is simple : too little, too late&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Then what is the point of a political PBR?&lt;/i&gt;

The point is - unless there differences are stark then voters won&#039;t notice or take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Then what is the point of a political PBR?</i></p>
<p>The point is &#8211; unless there differences are stark then voters won&#8217;t notice or take care.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Etta Banks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor Etta Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
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		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Keep in mind that most voters won’t pay any attention to the PBR, let alone sit there and discuss its ramifications like much of the media and blogosphere has done. &lt;/i&gt;

Then what is the point of a political PBR?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Keep in mind that most voters won’t pay any attention to the PBR, let alone sit there and discuss its ramifications like much of the media and blogosphere has done. </i></p>
<p>Then what is the point of a political PBR?</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
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		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The UK can do both without any trouble (gbp-denominated UK bonds are still selling well on international markets, highlighting the fact that the people who think we’re bust are know-nothing blowhards), &lt;/i&gt;

That would not be true if people did think that Britain was about to devalue its currency.

Anyway, that would only reduce the real value of the existing debt, it would do nothing to reduce the real problem, which is the deficit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The UK can do both without any trouble (gbp-denominated UK bonds are still selling well on international markets, highlighting the fact that the people who think we’re bust are know-nothing blowhards), </i></p>
<p>That would not be true if people did think that Britain was about to devalue its currency.</p>
<p>Anyway, that would only reduce the real value of the existing debt, it would do nothing to reduce the real problem, which is the deficit.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Liberal Conspiracy » Labour isn&#039;t radical enough on the economy http://bit.ly/7FZY1r&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Liberal Conspiracy » Labour isn&#039;t radical enough on the economy: This is the central difference between the Tory a... http://bit.ly/812L7w&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Jarm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Jarm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citibank research on the UK out today (their analyst is highly regarded and was very positive on the UK until this week) :-

-The lasting legacy of the current government may well be the loss of the UK&#039;s
AAA sovereign credit rating
-We think the UK&#039;s debt affordability and reversibility look set to deteriorate
rapidly
-Rising yields pose a significant challenge to the affordability of the debt burden
-The end of QE will significantly weaken demand for Gilts and the financeability
of the government’s debt
-The necessary political consensus to deal with the burgeoning fiscal problem
seems to be absent

Whatever you think the UK can afford to spend, the foreign investors wont let us.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citibank research on the UK out today (their analyst is highly regarded and was very positive on the UK until this week) :-</p>
<p>-The lasting legacy of the current government may well be the loss of the UK&#8217;s<br />
AAA sovereign credit rating<br />
-We think the UK&#8217;s debt affordability and reversibility look set to deteriorate<br />
rapidly<br />
-Rising yields pose a significant challenge to the affordability of the debt burden<br />
-The end of QE will significantly weaken demand for Gilts and the financeability<br />
of the government’s debt<br />
-The necessary political consensus to deal with the burgeoning fiscal problem<br />
seems to be absent</p>
<p>Whatever you think the UK can afford to spend, the foreign investors wont let us&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Jarm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Jarm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and in terms of our ability to fund our deficit through taxation - forget it. HM Treasury projects that next year we will spend more on the Welfare Deficit alone (that excludes the NHS) than the aggregate income tax receipts from every worker in the country.

That is the situation that makes us completely dependent on the willingness of foreign investors to lend our government money. We had better hope that they weren&#039;t too frightened by what Darling had to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and in terms of our ability to fund our deficit through taxation &#8211; forget it. HM Treasury projects that next year we will spend more on the Welfare Deficit alone (that excludes the NHS) than the aggregate income tax receipts from every worker in the country.</p>
<p>That is the situation that makes us completely dependent on the willingness of foreign investors to lend our government money. We had better hope that they weren&#8217;t too frightened by what Darling had to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Jarm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Jarm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margin4Error

There is most definately a limit to how much we can borrow. 

Japan&#039;s debt is issued almost exclusively to domestic buyers who have been forced and encouraged to soak up vast amounts through regulation and the carrot of a &#039;risk-free&#039; carry trade provided by the central bank whereby the banks borrow overnight at low rates to fund long term government debt holdings at a higher yield. 

Japan is almost unique in being able to get away with this because of its huge current account surplus (as one of the worlds leading manufacturing and exporting nations) which provides the domestic economy with the capital to fund the government. Even so, this has completely warped the economy to the extent that credit is barely available in Japan as banks main asset is government debt and the same is true of pension funds etc. Now their ageing economy needs real retirement funds, the debt is being sold leading to a rise in yields which threatens a spiralling borrowing cost for the government and debt expected to reach 230% of GDP next year. Many of the major hedge funds now have significant capital betting on a Japanese sovereign default in the next two years.

The UK is a huge net importer (of practically everything including food and fuel) and runs a massive current account deficit. The above strategy would wipe us out within a very short space of time as we could not begin to fund our deficit domestically for anything like that duration. Over the last year we have been printing money and buying Gilts - but not nearly in the same amount as we have issued them - but in the same period foreign ownership of Gilts has actually declined as our debt has multiplied. That is staggering and implies a deep lack of faith in our debt by foreign investors.

Quantitative Easing (money printing) is due to end in February at which point we will be completely dependent on foreign investors to fund our deficit. There is then nowhere near sufficient capacity domestically to fund it. This situation is deeply worrying and means we will be exposed as a nation to the yields that these foreign investors are willing to lend at (which should be acceptable, if we have a credible budget and plan for deficit-reduction). Money printing is only an option the markets will tolerate when used as a weapon against severe deflationary onsets of the sort we saw last year - the markets will now not tolerate further printing as this would be seen as monetisation of debt and could cause a substantial fall in sterling (followed by inflation as our imports shot up in price).

So unlike Japan we are dependent on the wilingness of foreign investors to fund our lifestyle and government spending. They will only fund is if they think we are a good credit, will repay the debt, will not print money to weaken the currency they invest in and will not risk inflation that would devalue their investment. 

So as a huge importer there is a huge constraint on how much money we can borrow or print. The markets are already very nervous about this, trust me, just read the financial press and you will appreciate this is no longer seen as paranoia but in the wake of Dubai, Ireland and Greece as a real risk. If Darling increases his borrowing requirement much beyond his projections, a run on sterling and the Gilts market is quite likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margin4Error</p>
<p>There is most definately a limit to how much we can borrow. </p>
<p>Japan&#8217;s debt is issued almost exclusively to domestic buyers who have been forced and encouraged to soak up vast amounts through regulation and the carrot of a &#8216;risk-free&#8217; carry trade provided by the central bank whereby the banks borrow overnight at low rates to fund long term government debt holdings at a higher yield. </p>
<p>Japan is almost unique in being able to get away with this because of its huge current account surplus (as one of the worlds leading manufacturing and exporting nations) which provides the domestic economy with the capital to fund the government. Even so, this has completely warped the economy to the extent that credit is barely available in Japan as banks main asset is government debt and the same is true of pension funds etc. Now their ageing economy needs real retirement funds, the debt is being sold leading to a rise in yields which threatens a spiralling borrowing cost for the government and debt expected to reach 230% of GDP next year. Many of the major hedge funds now have significant capital betting on a Japanese sovereign default in the next two years.</p>
<p>The UK is a huge net importer (of practically everything including food and fuel) and runs a massive current account deficit. The above strategy would wipe us out within a very short space of time as we could not begin to fund our deficit domestically for anything like that duration. Over the last year we have been printing money and buying Gilts &#8211; but not nearly in the same amount as we have issued them &#8211; but in the same period foreign ownership of Gilts has actually declined as our debt has multiplied. That is staggering and implies a deep lack of faith in our debt by foreign investors.</p>
<p>Quantitative Easing (money printing) is due to end in February at which point we will be completely dependent on foreign investors to fund our deficit. There is then nowhere near sufficient capacity domestically to fund it. This situation is deeply worrying and means we will be exposed as a nation to the yields that these foreign investors are willing to lend at (which should be acceptable, if we have a credible budget and plan for deficit-reduction). Money printing is only an option the markets will tolerate when used as a weapon against severe deflationary onsets of the sort we saw last year &#8211; the markets will now not tolerate further printing as this would be seen as monetisation of debt and could cause a substantial fall in sterling (followed by inflation as our imports shot up in price).</p>
<p>So unlike Japan we are dependent on the wilingness of foreign investors to fund our lifestyle and government spending. They will only fund is if they think we are a good credit, will repay the debt, will not print money to weaken the currency they invest in and will not risk inflation that would devalue their investment. </p>
<p>So as a huge importer there is a huge constraint on how much money we can borrow or print. The markets are already very nervous about this, trust me, just read the financial press and you will appreciate this is no longer seen as paranoia but in the wake of Dubai, Ireland and Greece as a real risk. If Darling increases his borrowing requirement much beyond his projections, a run on sterling and the Gilts market is quite likely.</p>
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