Comments on: Policy Exchange: You win some, you lose some… http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/ creating a new liberal-left force Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:18:11 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Veritas http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-90434 Veritas Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:09:35 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-90434 The case was struck out purely on a technicality: the judge ruled that charities which are not also companies cannot sue for defamation. The ruling had absolutely nothing to do with the extremist literature. See the report on the website of Policy Exchange's barristers: http://www.onebrickcourt.com/cases.asp?id=151 The Trust has said it is going to appeal: http://www.nlcentralmosque.com/component/content/article/1-latest/195-policyexchange.html The case was struck out purely on a technicality: the judge ruled that charities which are not also companies cannot sue for defamation. The ruling had absolutely nothing to do with the extremist literature. See the report on the website of Policy Exchange’s barristers: http://www.onebrickcourt.com/cases.asp?id=151

The Trust has said it is going to appeal:
http://www.nlcentralmosque.com/component/content/article/1-latest/195-policyexchange.html

]]> By: john b http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87583 john b Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:55:06 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87583 @4, I'll be similarly interested in whether any of the keen border control advocates here are willing to take up the case of an illegal immigrant travelling on invalid documents, or whether they'd be happy for her to suffer the same fate they've decreed for people who do the same in the UK. (anyway. It's not a very interesting case, as Turkey is an ECHR signatory so <i>of course she won't fucking be sent back</i>...) @4, I’ll be similarly interested in whether any of the keen border control advocates here are willing to take up the case of an illegal immigrant travelling on invalid documents, or whether they’d be happy for her to suffer the same fate they’ve decreed for people who do the same in the UK.

(anyway. It’s not a very interesting case, as Turkey is an ECHR signatory so of course she won’t fucking be sent back…)

]]> By: Just Visiting http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87582 Just Visiting Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:40:07 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87582 Back on track... a reaction from a leading Islamic figure: Egypts mufti Ali Gomaa: "This proposal...is not considered just an attack on freedom of beliefs, but also an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside Switzerland." Back on track… a reaction from a leading Islamic figure:

Egypts mufti Ali Gomaa: “This proposal…is not considered just an attack on freedom of beliefs, but also an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside Switzerland.”

]]> By: Just Visiting http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87581 Just Visiting Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:34:07 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87581 off topic warning - but has any of the keen atheists here followed the case of Negar Azizmoradi -she faces the death penalty for apostasy in Iran, if the Turkish authorities decide to send her back. http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME03.XAM10470.html off topic warning – but has any of the keen atheists here followed the case of Negar Azizmoradi -she faces the death penalty for apostasy in Iran, if the Turkish authorities decide to send her back.

http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME03.XAM10470.html

]]> By: North London Central Mosque Loses Libel Case against Policy Exchange « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87578 North London Central Mosque Loses Libel Case against Policy Exchange « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:01:23 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87578 [...] « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion on Saving Child Witches: A Nigerian PerspectiveLiberal Conspiracy » Policy Exchange: You win some, you lose some… on North London Central Mosque Loses Libel Case against Policy Exchangefrance on Helen Ukpabio [...] [...] « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion on Saving Child Witches: A Nigerian PerspectiveLiberal Conspiracy » Policy Exchange: You win some, you lose some… on North London Central Mosque Loses Libel Case against Policy Exchangefrance on Helen Ukpabio [...]

]]> By: Unity http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87496 Unity Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:12:06 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87496 Tim: This one's slightly more complicated than usual because the fact that the mosque is operated by a unincorporated charitable trust throws up a couple of very technical possibilities in regards to its legal status and whether it can legitimately make use of charitable funds to pursue a defamation action. That said, as its only managed to file its annual return and account on time once in the last four years, I'm inclined to think that preternaturally incompetent may not be that far from the truth. Tim:

This one’s slightly more complicated than usual because the fact that the mosque is operated by a unincorporated charitable trust throws up a couple of very technical possibilities in regards to its legal status and whether it can legitimately make use of charitable funds to pursue a defamation action.

That said, as its only managed to file its annual return and account on time once in the last four years, I’m inclined to think that preternaturally incompetent may not be that far from the truth.

]]> By: Tim J http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87492 Tim J Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:58:24 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87492 <blockquote>The key phrase in this piece of news seems to be ’struck out’, which gives no clues whatsoever as to the reason that the mosque’s libel action failed.</blockquote> Au contraire. It gives an extremely good clue. Cases can be struck out in three circumstances - they amount to an abuse of process (e.g.: are vexatious, scurrilous or ill-founded); there are no reasonable grounds for bringing the claim; or the claimant has breached a provision that leads to automatic striking out. CPR Rule 3.4 if you want to go and check my working. Getting a case struck out is pretty hard - and usually a sign that the claimants/defendants in question were either preternaturally incompetent or had no semblance of a case.

The key phrase in this piece of news seems to be ’struck out’, which gives no clues whatsoever as to the reason that the mosque’s libel action failed.

Au contraire. It gives an extremely good clue. Cases can be struck out in three circumstances – they amount to an abuse of process (e.g.: are vexatious, scurrilous or ill-founded); there are no reasonable grounds for bringing the claim; or the claimant has breached a provision that leads to automatic striking out. CPR Rule 3.4 if you want to go and check my working.

Getting a case struck out is pretty hard – and usually a sign that the claimants/defendants in question were either preternaturally incompetent or had no semblance of a case.

]]> By: cjcjc http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87486 cjcjc Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:52:31 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87486 <i> The upshot of all this seems to be that the allegation that extremist literature was being distributed from the North London Central Mosque, or from a bookshop associated with it, does not rest solely on the evidence provided by the forged receipts exposed by Newsnight, but can be readily verified by other means. </i> Why does the phrase "no shit, Sherlock" spring to mind?! The upshot of all this seems to be that the allegation that extremist literature was being distributed from the North London Central Mosque, or from a bookshop associated with it, does not rest solely on the evidence provided by the forged receipts exposed by Newsnight, but can be readily verified by other means.

Why does the phrase “no shit, Sherlock” spring to mind?!

]]> By: Liberal Conspiracy http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87484 Liberal Conspiracy Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:44:43 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87484 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">:: Policy Exchange: You win some, you lose some... http://bit.ly/4BGm8I</span></span> :: Policy Exchange: You win some, you lose some… http://bit.ly/4BGm8I

]]> By: Spinwatch http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87566 Spinwatch Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:00:41 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87566 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @libcon: :: Policy Exchange: You win some, you lose some... http://bit.ly/4BGm8I</span></span> RT @libcon: :: Policy Exchange: You win some, you lose some… http://bit.ly/4BGm8I

]]> By: Unity http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/30/policy-exchange-you-win-some-you-lose-some/#comment-87483 Unity Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:47:09 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9498#comment-87483 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @libcon: :: If you must call your blog 'The Spitoon', don't be surprised if I gob in it - http://bit.ly/4BGm8I</span></span> RT @libcon: :: If you must call your blog 'The Spitoon', don't be surprised if I gob in it – http://bit.ly/4BGm8I

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