Please explain how the despots you speak of were ““seeking to… protect the innocent and poor and remove obstacles between individuals and their aspirations, establishing institutions to encourage collective responsibility for the furtherment of humanity”.

It seems they did the opposite to me.

Fair enough.

But the dictionary does have to come out at times.
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/jews_lie_about_madoff_swindle/
What’s that? That’s a website that Dan Dare is a member of.
You have to say (don’t you?) that it’s full of hate.
Maybe you’re not as extreme as him, so if not, then perhaps we got our wires crossed a bit. Maybe it was you responding to a post that I had pitched towards Dan Dare.
You don’t think my (white) sister is a slut because her partner is a black man?
Sorry again – you know how these things can become overly personal.

As for football, I ”grew up” on the terraces of a south London football club.
We were once deemed to be (the coming) ”Team of the 80s”

Wow, I REALLY AM doing the community a service keeping you off the streets for a bit!

But once again, sorry; didn’t read a single word again of that long list of, well, no doubt lies, bullshit and false flags.

No point at all you see: You lie like a cheap watch; consistently assign bogus quotes to me and generally make up anything and everything to suit your warped agenda.

Do come again, whilst you are busy here at least you are not practicing your hatred somewhere else or shoving shit through someone’s letter box.

Stalin, Pol Pot, Amin, Mao and god knows how many dodgy marxist revolutionaries in South America/Africa were hardly “seeking to achieve a meritocracy, protect the innocent and poor and remove obstacles between individuals and their aspirations, establishing institutions to encourage collective responsibility for the furtherment of humanity” now were they?

It’s like me trying to claim that Cameron’s moderate right-wing views (a smaller state, more tax concessions to the wealthy, less protection for the poor against big business etc) were wrong by pointing at Pinochet and saying it proves that right-wingers are evil mass murderers.

or

b) Those who feel no obligation to support the weak, poor, and that somehow their own race is more entitled to ‘rights’ than any other by dint of the colour of their skin and the place of their birth, and that you’ll have to prize a single penny from their cold dead hands before they give up their own selfish aggrandisement.

It’s a tricky one, I’ll tell you that.”

No it’s not it’s a), by a country mile.
Far more people have been killed in the cause of equality than in any attempt to impose the opposite. The last hundred years alone have seen Stalin, Pol Pot, Amin, Mao and god knows how many dodgy marxist revolutionaries in South America/Africa murder millions.
Why can’t the left understand that “intent” is irrelevant, killing millions trying to impose something “good” is as morally reprehensible as killing millions trying to impose something “bad”.

But all I was trying to do was create a fairer society, your honour …..

I wouldn’t try and argue with the BNP troll. You have no chance of a rational argument.

The thread below is interesting – the troll is being very careful not to express a commitment to any particularly party here (though it is clear it is a deeply unpleasant creature).

Some highlights:

http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/bnp-on-question-time-what-would-have-been-the-point-of-banning-griffin/#comment-26966

“”that is exactly why as an indigenous English white working class heterosexual male I put my cross in the BNP box”

http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/bnp-on-question-time-what-would-have-been-the-point-of-banning-griffin/#comment-26972

“nearly half the people in Britain’s capital city and biggest city “belong to groups other than white British” and that the birth rates of these different groups is much higher, that the white British have been effectively ethnically cleansed from just that one city already and will be in a minority very soon”

http://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/bnp-on-question-time-what-would-have-been-the-point-of-banning-griffin/#comment-26975

“I was ethnically cleansed from the East End”

And lots, lots more…

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**“Curious Freedom. Why turn to histronics so quickly?”**

You have got enormous front there fella; asides labelling me a “fascist” you then go on to totally make up your next sentence using the same bogus quote assigning tactics as sevillista, in abstract form:

**“You think that members of my family are tainted by having a Jewish grandparent, or being in an inter-racial relationship. And (for some sick reason) should leave the country. That doesn’t make me a communist in the way you describe.”**

You have pulled that out of your arse and assigned it to me; nowhere have I said that you sick, lying idiot.

A proper dishonest hysterical lefty. Well, I never.

And instead of treating Millwall fans as some of patronising anthropological experiment to be observed via the internet, why not get off your arse, go to some games and actually meet some real fans?

I was brought up around it and I can tell you that average Millwall fan wouldn’t want to share a pint with you and your poisonous attitude and ideology, nor your extreme dishonesty.

You are just another total lying waste of time and not worthy of any engagement.

As for the Millwall thread, it’s one I read quite often. And to be honest, there’s many on that forum that are real scumbags and racists. A few that aren’t, but it’s not exactly what you could call PC
David Haye is (I’m sure) aware that there were fans in the New Den that night after he won the world title, that would consider him like you (Curious Freedom) and Dan Dare, as an abomination. But hopefully those are ideas that will die off in due course with the passing of years.
Whether Haye is a real world champion is open to contention. I have heard it said that it wasn’t a good contest. But his lineage as a fellow south Londoner is second to none. That’s him and his mother.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/09/article-1226081-07220D79000005DC-843_634x412.jpg

You are strange little man who cannot even manage one coherent comment; what is it you are actually trying to convey here and what is your evidence?

The left and their twisted ideology have been the biggest mass murderers the world has ever seen

Estimated to be around “110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987”

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

And I too would like to have asked some questions, such as just how many tens of millions of innocent people do you estimate your cult has murdered over the years?

Hmm, let’s think about that. Have more people been killed over the years by

a) Those seeking to achieve a meritocracy, protect the innocent and poor and remove obstacles between individuals and their aspirations, establishing institutions to encourage collective responsibility for the furtherment of humanity.

or

b) Those who feel no obligation to support the weak, poor, and that somehow their own race is more entitled to ‘rights’ than any other by dint of the colour of their skin and the place of their birth, and that you’ll have to prize a single penny from their cold dead hands before they give up their own selfish aggrandisement.

It’s a tricky one, I’ll tell you that.

It’s a shame that you actually display the signs of dementia that you attribute to me in the rest of your incoherent rambling comment that has no discernable question in any case, or any discernable base in reality.

And I too would like to have asked some questions, such as just how many tens of millions of innocent people do you estimate your cult has murdered over the years?

It’s also rather sad that you clearly spent a lot of time searching for some spurious Millwall thread for what you feel as some sort of, well I don’t know really, vindication I guess, when it was clearly just an analogy and very doubtful that a nationalist government would ever actually call upon Millwall FC to squash a few idiotic pampered hysterics playing at terrorists.

(Although as a life long Millwall fan I can tell you that your hard sought after forum thread does not shed any real light on the feelings of the average fan, by any means at all!)

Just as a last note, Damon, the two other government arms cited are not actually affiliated, merged, subsidiaries or in anyway controlled by Millwall FC.

”…. immigrants and their offspring have places to go, we do not.”

So you would be sending letters and knocking on doors trying to seperate out the people who you see as your people and those you see as ”others”?
So while most of my white immigrant Irish family might be deemed OK, my brother married a Jew (well her mother was Jewish anyway – a little brown woman from Morocco). I’d expect that you’d like them and their two childrem to leave the country? To go to Israel or Morocco or somewhere?

I said I didn’t care for UAF, but that people like them would always be around.
And I’m sure that that kind of ”anti fascist” politics would be seen on the streets if ever any of yours or Dan Dare’s kind of politics was to pick up popular support.
That’s not to be molodramatic, I just think it would happen.
And as formidable as ”Millwall FC let alone the SPG or the Para Regt.” might be, I don’t think you could bank on their reliability.
http://www.millwall.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=38560&posts=8mm

Well, I am doing the community a service keeping you off the streets for a bit!

Oh dear, sorry; didn’t read a single word again of that long list of, well, no doubt lies.

No point at all you see: You lie like a cheap watch; consistently assign bogus quotes to me and generally make up anything and everything to suit your warped agenda.

Do come again, whilst you are busy here at least you are not practising your hatred somewhere else or shoving shit through someone’s letter box.
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Oh dear, sorry; didn’t read a single word again of that long list of, well, no doubt lies.

No point at all you see: You lie like a cheap watch; consistently assign bogus quotes to me and generally make up anything and everything to suit your warped agenda.

Do come again, whilst you are busy here at least you are not practising your hatred somewhere else or shoving shit through someone’s letter box.

“at least you are not practising your hatred somewhere else or shoving shit through someone’s letter box”

Hmm.

86. Curious Freedom 8:30 pm, November 30, 2009 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/27/the-truth-about-immigration-asylum-part-2/#comment-87538

” You see there you go again making up your own fucking story; I didn’t say that either fucknut; I haven’t said fuck all on it at all you lying fucking idiot. Not a fucking word. You lying fucking twat”

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I’ll answer a few points myself.

**“don’t like that to be likened to fascism”**

Never a tenet of fascism actually; in fact the Jews were protected from the Nazis.

**“What is the meaning of that word then”**

Highly contentious as even Mussolini failed to define his own movement beyond ‘the mergence of corporation and state’ but here is one definition from a leading online reference:

“Fascism is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism with a corporatist economic system, and which is usually considered to be on the far right of the traditional left-right political spectrum.

Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state, with the belief that the majority is unsuited to govern itself through democracy and by reaffirming the benefits of inequality. Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalism and liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept. Fascism fashioned itself as the “Complete opposite of Marxian socialism…” by rejecting the economic and material conception of history, the fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism.”

The practices sounds more like NuLabour to me and thier twin sisters, the Tories and the LD.

**“I don’t care for Unite Against Fascism myself, but I’m pretty sure those kinds of people would be right up there (with guns) ready to prevent any kind of society that you seem to prefer.”**

Oh don’t make me laugh!

This pathetic cowardly state sponsored political mob might have you impressed as some sort of noble army in standing but in reality they are just a bunch of spoilt, pampered, twisted hysterical misfits who would have been slaughtered at each EDL event if it were not for the police protecting them.

Here are your UAF warriors:

http://img90.imageshack.us/i/37719423.jpg/

If a nationalist party were voted in these freaks would not even merit a second’s consideration.

They wouldn’t last two seconds against Millwall FC let alone the SPG or the Para Regt.

**“If you advocate apartheid”**

I read it more that he was advocating the assertion of the right to survive and to prioritise of the indigenous peoples of the UK; the immigrants and their offspring have places to go, we do not.

**“then you should at least accept that it is a kind of fascism, and not be worrying about words”**

It is nothing of the sort; and why are you ‘worrying about the words’ then?

**“The thing is, apart from his abhorrent disgusting racism, he’s quite a nice guy.”**

The irrelevant equivalent of ‘I have black friends…’

One mans opinion; nothing more, nothing less.

**“And if you are a fascist, say so with pride and don’t be confusing people with awkward semantics.”**

And if you are a cultural Marxist hell bent on destroying Europe and its indigenous peoples you should just say so with pride and don’t be confusing people with awkward semantics about “diversity.”

And what’s wrong with mentioning civil war? You know how touchy some people on the left are. I don’t care for Unite Against Fascism myself, but I’m pretty sure those kinds of people would be right up there (with guns) ready to prevent any kind of society that you seem to prefer. (One that knocks on people’s doors and tells them that the wider society deems them as unwelcome aliens because of their racial characteristics).

Sixth form debating society? I think you are obfuscating Dan Dare.
If you advocate apartheid then you should at least accept that it is a kind of fascism, and not be worrying about words. Don’t you like the label ‘fascist’ or something? (I know some people who accept that they are technically fascists).

A former friend of mine (who I still bump into on ocassion and chat with for a few minutes), refers to people who are not white (as they walk past us in the high street) as ”filth”. The thing is, apart from his abhorrent disgusting racism, he’s quite a nice guy.
But I can’t be a real friend of his, because he thinks that some of my family members (and friends) are filth.
He also talks about Jews in the way your website does.

So I’d say Dan Dare … be what you are, and don’t take umbrage if people take exception to your beliefs. And if you are a fascist, say so with pride and don’t be confusing people with awkward semantics.

Oh dear, sorry; didn’t read a single word again of that long list of, well, no doubt lies.

No point at all you see: You lie like a cheap watch; consistently assign bogus quotes to me and generally make up anything and everything to suit your warped agenda.

Do come again, whilst you are busy here at least you are not practising your hatred somewhere else or shoving shit through someone’s letter box.

There’s no point me continuing debating this if your response is to put your fingers in your ears and shout “lalala, I’m not listening”.

I’m not sure you are right that looking at the statistics rather than relying on fact-free prejudices is having a “warped agenda”.

Surely your prejudice-based argument is what’s warped – you would suggest that we need to invest heavily in sealing our borders with France if the state’s goal is to reduce the number of asylum seekers, even if the vast majority of them arrive by plane making this policy ineffective, just to suit your evidence-free preconceptions that all asylum-seekers are definitionally bogus.

Ta-ta.

Sorry, didn’t read a single word again.

No point; you lie like a cheap watch; consistently assign bogus quotes to me and generally make up anything and everything to suit your warped agenda.