Comments on: The break-up of Bosnia http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Fri, 25 May 2012 23:33:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: zejnil http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-88251 zejnil Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:04:28 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-88251 Hi, 1 question-how to put nearly 50% people in 28% teritory?? 2.why to get one part accused and prouved for genocid to the table and equaly give them right to negociate for same teritory where they make whorstest think after 2 world war?? its just my 2 cents ... Hi,
1 question-how to put nearly 50% people in 28% teritory??
2.why to get one part accused and prouved for genocid to the table and equaly give them right to negociate for same teritory where they make whorstest think after 2 world war??
its just my 2 cents …

]]> By: More context on the problems in Bosnia « National Insecurity http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-85437 More context on the problems in Bosnia « National Insecurity Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:52:13 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-85437 [...] context on the problems in Bosnia 2009 November 21 by Marc David Osler has a good piece on the potential for trouble in Bosnia at the moment – good enough that it [...] [...] context on the problems in Bosnia 2009 November 21 by Marc David Osler has a good piece on the potential for trouble in Bosnia at the moment – good enough that it [...]

]]> By: astateofdenmark http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-85042 astateofdenmark Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:36:27 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-85042 4 I'm trying to think of a good analogy to illustrate it. Imagine you are in a room with five SNPers, of the diehard variety. Now try to explain to them, rationally, why it would be better for Scotland to stay part of the UK. Then amplify it multiple times. Welcome to the Repulika Srpska. 4

I’m trying to think of a good analogy to illustrate it. Imagine you are in a room with five SNPers, of the diehard variety. Now try to explain to them, rationally, why it would be better for Scotland to stay part of the UK. Then amplify it multiple times.

Welcome to the Repulika Srpska.

]]> By: Rob Miller http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84979 Rob Miller Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:21:45 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84979 <blockquote>I’ve served in Bosnia and my opinion then and now is that the breakup of Bosnia is inevitable. It will start with the Republika Srpska, probably after a referendum. The Croats will follow. The RS have been playing a waiting game ever since Dayton.</blockquote> Why, though? Why risk the ire of the international community and ensure that your new state will never be recognised in return for a marginal increase in sovereignty? The Bosnian Serbs have shown themselves to be pretty accomplished political operators, they're well aware that secession would be suicidal. It's just a bargaining chip.

I’ve served in Bosnia and my opinion then and now is that the breakup of Bosnia is inevitable. It will start with the Republika Srpska, probably after a referendum. The Croats will follow. The RS have been playing a waiting game ever since Dayton.

Why, though? Why risk the ire of the international community and ensure that your new state will never be recognised in return for a marginal increase in sovereignty? The Bosnian Serbs have shown themselves to be pretty accomplished political operators, they’re well aware that secession would be suicidal. It’s just a bargaining chip.

]]> By: astateofdenmark http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84961 astateofdenmark Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:42:52 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84961 I've served in Bosnia and my opinion then and now is that the breakup of Bosnia is inevitable. It will start with the Republika Srpska, probably after a referendum. The Croats will follow. The RS have been playing a waiting game ever since Dayton. I’ve served in Bosnia and my opinion then and now is that the breakup of Bosnia is inevitable. It will start with the Republika Srpska, probably after a referendum. The Croats will follow. The RS have been playing a waiting game ever since Dayton.

]]> By: Rob Miller http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84931 Rob Miller Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:56:09 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84931 Is there any evidence that interethnic tensions are intensifying to anything like the levels of 1991? The two federations system has been fairly stable since its inception, and referring to it as a "lash-up" is pretty disingenuous IMO. Accusations of "rewarding genocide" is one thing, but the idea of forcing concessions from a force that had conquered 60% of Bosnia by military means and had achieved the exact territorial status they were seeking is risible at best. An autonomous Republika Srpska was all that would bring the Bosnian Serbs to the negotiating table; even the most hardline Bosniak or Bosnian Croat will acknowledge that. What exactly are Bosnian Serbs going to agitate for? For all their constant secession rhetoric, they wouldn't actually gain anything from secession and they're hardly well-positioned to deal with the nuclear grade political fallout that would inexorably ensue. Serbia are hardly going to support it either; for all Tadi?'s (necessary) placating of the hardline elements of Serbian society, ascension to the EU is essential for their economic future—but that's never going to happen if they recognise a secessionist Republika Srpska. Hell, they're already pushing their luck over Kosovo. Is there any evidence that interethnic tensions are intensifying to anything like the levels of 1991? The two federations system has been fairly stable since its inception, and referring to it as a “lash-up” is pretty disingenuous IMO.

Accusations of “rewarding genocide” is one thing, but the idea of forcing concessions from a force that had conquered 60% of Bosnia by military means and had achieved the exact territorial status they were seeking is risible at best. An autonomous Republika Srpska was all that would bring the Bosnian Serbs to the negotiating table; even the most hardline Bosniak or Bosnian Croat will acknowledge that.

What exactly are Bosnian Serbs going to agitate for? For all their constant secession rhetoric, they wouldn’t actually gain anything from secession and they’re hardly well-positioned to deal with the nuclear grade political fallout that would inexorably ensue. Serbia are hardly going to support it either; for all Tadi?’s (necessary) placating of the hardline elements of Serbian society, ascension to the EU is essential for their economic future—but that’s never going to happen if they recognise a secessionist Republika Srpska. Hell, they’re already pushing their luck over Kosovo.

]]> By: Conor http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84922 Conor Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:34:48 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84922 I doubt if the conflict will re-start so you don't really need a military presence there, but I would say Serbian secession is more or less inevitable in the medium term. The Croats would also probably use that opportunity to swallow up their own chunk leaving the Bosniaks the rump that they had immediately after they declared independence. The problem is that the only thing that is holding the place together is the High Commissioner's dictatorial powers and the financial subvention. But once you start re-drawing boundaries on ethnic grounds, the Serbs of Northern Kosovo and the Albanians of Southern Serbia would demand the same and then what would happen to Macedonia? I remember the moment when I first realised the complexity of the Balkans during the Kosovan war 10 years ago when my driver pointed to a map of Greece, put his finger on Corfu and said 'Albanian'. I doubt if the conflict will re-start so you don’t really need a military presence there, but I would say Serbian secession is more or less inevitable in the medium term. The Croats would also probably use that opportunity to swallow up their own chunk leaving the Bosniaks the rump that they had immediately after they declared independence. The problem is that the only thing that is holding the place together is the High Commissioner’s dictatorial powers and the financial subvention. But once you start re-drawing boundaries on ethnic grounds, the Serbs of Northern Kosovo and the Albanians of Southern Serbia would demand the same and then what would happen to Macedonia?

I remember the moment when I first realised the complexity of the Balkans during the Kosovan war 10 years ago when my driver pointed to a map of Greece, put his finger on Corfu and said ‘Albanian’.

]]> By: Tweets that mention Liberal Conspiracy -- Topsy.com http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84901 Tweets that mention Liberal Conspiracy -- Topsy.com Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:33:04 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84901 [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Liberal Conspiracy, Political Animal. Political Animal said: RT @libcon http://bit.ly/4v6UrT < Good (and worrying) piece on future of Bosnia-Herzegovina. [...] [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Liberal Conspiracy, Political Animal. Political Animal said: RT @libcon http://bit.ly/4v6UrT < Good (and worrying) piece on future of Bosnia-Herzegovina. [...]

]]> By: Liberal Conspiracy http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84904 Liberal Conspiracy Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:30:12 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84904 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">:: http://bit.ly/4v6UrT</span></span> :: http://bit.ly/4v6UrT

]]> By: Paul Evans http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-85022 Paul Evans Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:48:08 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-85022 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Have a look? The break-up of Bosnia http://url4.eu/n6Zu</span></span> Have a look? The break-up of Bosnia http://url4.eu/n6Zu

]]> By: Claire Butler http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84911 Claire Butler Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:47:43 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84911 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">This piece makes some interesting points, worth a read - RT @libcon Liberal Conspiracy http://bit.ly/3Qf2Pg</span></span> This piece makes some interesting points, worth a read – RT @libcon Liberal Conspiracy http://bit.ly/3Qf2Pg

]]> By: Political Animal http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84903 Political Animal Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:32:55 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/19/9246/#comment-84903 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @libcon http://bit.ly/4v6UrT < Good (and worrying) piece on future of Bosnia-Herzegovina.</span></span> RT @libcon http://bit.ly/4v6UrT < Good (and worrying) piece on future of Bosnia-Herzegovina.

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