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		<title>By: What should be done with the PCC?</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-86048</link>
		<dc:creator>What should be done with the PCC?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then the PCC&#8217;s new Chair, Baroness Buscombe, delivered a lacklustre and confused address to the Society of Editors, before setting any number of hares running by suggesting the PCC might [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then the PCC&#8217;s new Chair, Baroness Buscombe, delivered a lacklustre and confused address to the Society of Editors, before setting any number of hares running by suggesting the PCC might [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The LDV Friday Five (ish): 20/11/09</title>
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		<dc:creator>The LDV Friday Five (ish): 20/11/09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The new PCC chair will let journalism down too (Mark Pack &#124; Liberal Conspiracy) &#8220;Baroness Buscombe, the new chair of the Press Complaints [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What to make of Baroness Buscombe&#8217;s speech as chair of the PCC? &#124; Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-84292</link>
		<dc:creator>What to make of Baroness Buscombe&#8217;s speech as chair of the PCC? &#124; Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cross-posted from Liberal Conspiracy: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: When it comes to the PCC we&#8217;re all just monkeys &#171; Left Outside</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-84178</link>
		<dc:creator>When it comes to the PCC we&#8217;re all just monkeys &#171; Left Outside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Posted on November 17, 2009 by leftoutside   The new head of the Press Complaints Commission Baroness Buscombe wants to regulate us [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Posted on November 17, 2009 by leftoutside   The new head of the Press Complaints Commission Baroness Buscombe wants to regulate us [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-84000</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Try Nick Davies&#039; book Flat Earth News for a nice account of how the Daily Mail made up a series of unsubstantiated lies about a couple, whom they erroneously claimed to be murderers  - despite their having been acquited, in a court of law - just for the fun of it. Read all about how this couple had their lives ruined, and the Daily Mail was never held responsible because, guess what, there&#039;s no legal aid for libel in UK courts of law.

Yes, newspapers can ruin little people&#039;s lives. Directly and personally. And that&#039;s why the god damn state - as a third party sovereign authority - is required to step-in and control the worst excesses (not that it does at present, mind). 

That these problems don&#039;t arise in Libertopia because there everything bad is the fault of the government (or if not it&#039;s fault, then only exacerbated by the government), is simply an indication of the fact Libertopia is a Utopia, and in the sense of &quot;no place&quot;, not a More-esque punt on &quot;happy-place&quot; (which it certainly would not be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Try Nick Davies&#8217; book Flat Earth News for a nice account of how the Daily Mail made up a series of unsubstantiated lies about a couple, whom they erroneously claimed to be murderers  &#8211; despite their having been acquited, in a court of law &#8211; just for the fun of it. Read all about how this couple had their lives ruined, and the Daily Mail was never held responsible because, guess what, there&#8217;s no legal aid for libel in UK courts of law.</p>
<p>Yes, newspapers can ruin little people&#8217;s lives. Directly and personally. And that&#8217;s why the god damn state &#8211; as a third party sovereign authority &#8211; is required to step-in and control the worst excesses (not that it does at present, mind). </p>
<p>That these problems don&#8217;t arise in Libertopia because there everything bad is the fault of the government (or if not it&#8217;s fault, then only exacerbated by the government), is simply an indication of the fact Libertopia is a Utopia, and in the sense of &#8220;no place&#8221;, not a More-esque punt on &#8220;happy-place&#8221; (which it certainly would not be).</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Blogging and PCC Regulation &#8211; A Collective Response</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-83957</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Blogging and PCC Regulation &#8211; A Collective Response</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may have either seen on the Indy&#8217;s website, or picked up on from Mark&#8217;s commentary on her speech to the Society of Editors, Baroness Buscombe, the new Chair of the Press Complaints Commission, has been making noises about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] may have either seen on the Indy&#8217;s website, or picked up on from Mark&#8217;s commentary on her speech to the Society of Editors, Baroness Buscombe, the new Chair of the Press Complaints Commission, has been making noises about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-83947</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If little people end up getting screwed by a newspaper, that’s ok, they can use their freedom as rational economic actors to buy another newspaper, thus bringing market pressure to bear in order to affect change.&lt;/i&gt;

How is it possible for little people to end up getting screwed by a newspaper? My guess is that the only way this can happen is if that newspaper somehow manages to put enough pressure on the government to ensure the little guy gets screwed; in which case, it seems to me, your problem is not so much with the market after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If little people end up getting screwed by a newspaper, that’s ok, they can use their freedom as rational economic actors to buy another newspaper, thus bringing market pressure to bear in order to affect change.</i></p>
<p>How is it possible for little people to end up getting screwed by a newspaper? My guess is that the only way this can happen is if that newspaper somehow manages to put enough pressure on the government to ensure the little guy gets screwed; in which case, it seems to me, your problem is not so much with the market after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-83942</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny, you&#039;re just a bitter, whining lefty.

There&#039;s no problem with the PCC. Watchdogs without teeth (or even bark) are all that&#039;s required. The market will sort things out, and that&#039;s efficient and we can leave it all alone.

If little people end up getting screwed by a newspaper, that&#039;s ok, they can use their freedom as rational economic actors to buy another newspaper, thus bringing market pressure to bear in order to affect change. 

Duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny, you&#8217;re just a bitter, whining lefty.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no problem with the PCC. Watchdogs without teeth (or even bark) are all that&#8217;s required. The market will sort things out, and that&#8217;s efficient and we can leave it all alone.</p>
<p>If little people end up getting screwed by a newspaper, that&#8217;s ok, they can use their freedom as rational economic actors to buy another newspaper, thus bringing market pressure to bear in order to affect change. </p>
<p>Duh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny H</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-83904</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprise the PCC appointed a Tory regulator - now the incoming govt won&#039;t touch it with a bargepole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise the PCC appointed a Tory regulator &#8211; now the incoming govt won&#8217;t touch it with a bargepole.</p>
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		<title>By: Press Corruption Club &#171; Ten Percent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Press Corruption Club &#171; Ten Percent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &amp; highly active member of the Conservative party who in her debut PCC speech makes clear her allegiances to Cameron&#8217;s tribe, so press regulation under a tory government, hmm do you suppose it might favour the ruling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &amp; highly active member of the Conservative party who in her debut PCC speech makes clear her allegiances to Cameron&#8217;s tribe, so press regulation under a tory government, hmm do you suppose it might favour the ruling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-83897</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important for democracy that our press is not regulated by the state, but instead by itself. That&#039;s an important tenet of free speech, a plank of our democracy.

That our newspapers are owned by billionaire Australian press barons or tax-exiles hiding on the Isle of Sark, or that one of the key decision makers at the PCC is editor in chief of one of the newspaper most regularly complained against, is absolutely irrelevant.

Smash the evil BBC monopoly, I say. Kill google. Self regulation works. 

It&#039;s democracy, yeah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important for democracy that our press is not regulated by the state, but instead by itself. That&#8217;s an important tenet of free speech, a plank of our democracy.</p>
<p>That our newspapers are owned by billionaire Australian press barons or tax-exiles hiding on the Isle of Sark, or that one of the key decision makers at the PCC is editor in chief of one of the newspaper most regularly complained against, is absolutely irrelevant.</p>
<p>Smash the evil BBC monopoly, I say. Kill google. Self regulation works. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s democracy, yeah?</p>
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		<title>By: sally</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-83896</link>
		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I view the PCC as the Prince Charles Complaints commission.

He is the only person they get off their backside for.</description>
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<p>He is the only person they get off their backside for.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie McDaniel</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/16/the-new-pcc-chair-will-let-journalism-down-too/#comment-83919</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie McDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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